CONTRIVSIAL THREAD!!!

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

shakezula said:

admin said:

Some say it might be the white woman first, like Hillary. Well black men got their rights to vote before women did if I remember. I guess it could be a black guy. Still kinda wierd imagining a woman in charge, lol.

I hope Barack Obama becomes the Democratic choice for President. I probably wont vote for him, but I think he would make a good President. He is a much better choice than Hillary.

Why is that?

[warmunger]

admin said:

esteemedleader said:

I think that someone of a minority race could be a member of the elite nowadays. I doubt that the rich are specifically trying to keep down anymore. It's just that the whites come from old money. They have a strong hold carved out high on the metaphorical mountain. For blacks to go from slaves with no rights to the upper crust is going to take more than 200 years.

Honestly Black people would hold another down themselves, wanting noone else black to know their secret.

Blacks can be elite money-wise, but it won't be anytime soon position/political wise.

Let's say I ran for president now, (assuming I was the legal age), and someone else did that was white. Even if I proved more capable in all areas, it would be very unlikely that I would get the vote.

I agree 100%

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Of course.

[pinstrike]

I think people, nowadays, people get more power from being oppressed. Think about it. Who has more control over what we say, do, or how we think, than women and minorities? Honestly, the whole idea of "political correctness" is based on the "subdued" minorities making decisions not only as to how our country runs, but how the majority (yes, being white males) should sculpt our morality, how on what we should base our actions and around what priniciples our media should be based.

The age of "majority rules" or the power of the "white man" is long gone.

The only things that get anything changed or achieved are disgruntled Negroes, oppressed "Native" Americans (which is another topic altogether), segregated Middle-Easterners, or offended women.

The white man has lost control. So, if you're a minority, and you're reading this, I hope you realize how un-oppressed you really, veritably are.

Just stop playing the victim of the White Upper-Middle Class Male.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

pinstrike said:

I think people, nowadays, people get more power from being oppressed. Think about it. Who has more control over what we say, do, or how we think, than women and minorities? Honestly, the whole idea of "political correctness" is based on the "subdued" minorities making decisions not only as to how our country runs, but how the majority (yes, being white males) should sculpt our morality, how on what we should base our actions and around what priniciples our media should be based.

The age of "majority rules" or the power of the "white man" is long gone.

The only things that get anything changed or achieved are disgruntled Negroes, oppressed "Native" Americans (which is another topic altogether), segregated Middle-Easterners, or offended women.

The white man has lost control. So, if you're a minority, and you're reading this, I hope you realize how un-oppressed you really, veritably are.

Just stop playing the victim of the White Upper-Middle Class Male.

While I don't support people playing victim, I'm definitely not naive enough to say that white people, especially males, still don't have the advantages of being white males. While it's true that things have gotten better over all, things are not free of bias in that area. In business, or anything in general, an average white male is generally in higher demand than a slightly more qualified black male or female of any race. If I ran for president now (saying I was able to), and I was more qualified than a white male who ran, I doubt I'd still win unless it was a CLEAR cut. The reason why should still be obvious. Some old dogs just don't learn new tricks.

[Dja Majista]

admin said:

pinstrike said:

I think people, nowadays, people get more power from being oppressed. Think about it. Who has more control over what we say, do, or how we think, than women and minorities? Honestly, the whole idea of "political correctness" is based on the "subdued" minorities making decisions not only as to how our country runs, but how the majority (yes, being white males) should sculpt our morality, how on what we should base our actions and around what priniciples our media should be based.

The age of "majority rules" or the power of the "white man" is long gone.

The only things that get anything changed or achieved are disgruntled Negroes, oppressed "Native" Americans (which is another topic altogether), segregated Middle-Easterners, or offended women.

The white man has lost control. So, if you're a minority, and you're reading this, I hope you realize how un-oppressed you really, veritably are.

Just stop playing the victim of the White Upper-Middle Class Male.

While I don't support people playing victim, I'm definitely not naive enough to say that white people, especially males, still don't have the advantages of being white males. While it's true that things have gotten better over all, things are not free of bias in that area. In business, or anything in general, an average white male is generally in higher demand than a slightly more qualified black male or female of any race. If I ran for president now (saying I was able to), and I was more qualified than a white male who ran, I doubt I'd still win unless it was a CLEAR cut. The reason why should still be obvious. Some old dogs just don't learn new tricks.

I definitely understand both sides of this. And I'm more inclined to say it just goes both ways. What's important is that minorities understand your point, pinstrike, and the majority recognizes the plight almost all minorities face.

It's a fact. There is clearly still plenty of racism around. Some areas more than others, and some areas are practically devoid of it. But it's there. As a matter of fact, in Georgia there is a county here that is notorious for racism. Garyuu 3.1 can account for this. Forsyth county. Don't think the KKK has disappeared. They just aren't killing people as much anymore .

But what's wrong with the typical minority perspective on this topic is that white people all get smashed into the same group. I'll speak for myself: I like to earn my own keep and, frankly, I earnestly don't like the idea of having an advantage over people of another race. And I'm sure a lot of people can relate. I can't really help it if I'm white. And there's next to nothing I can do about racism in general.

But you know what the cure for a racist is? (I'll use a white racist/black man example) A black person who just smiles and brushes it off. Basically, being Jesus to somebody (sorry if your not a Christian, but that's the best way I know how to describe it).

"Well, actions speak louder than words David."

Yeah, seeing as I'm all talk, allow me to address another point: There are many forms of discrimination. Racism and sexism just naturally get the most attention. All the time, people regardless of race get treated like total crap at schools or in countless other social environments.

Ultimately, what I'm getting to is this: Does a middle class black male that's well accepted by his peers really have it worse than a rich white kid who comes to school where everybody talks behind his back and treats him like shit to his face. A lot of white people aren't free from discrimination. We endure, like everybody else, and the stronger of us just shake it off, and return with kindness.

Honestly, there isn't much people can do about racism today --it really takes a lot to cure a racist. Only time can mend. But the important thing is that nobody walks around ignorant. White people have to be aware of what so many minorities face, and minorities need to know that it's not easy being a white person who's stereotypically lumped into one big group of American biggots. Also, arguing about this issue tends to cause a bit of antagonizing of the other side. So it's best to avoid statements on the lines of "we have it worse." It's better to just recognize that both sides have problems they face.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

damasta said:

admin said:

While I don't support people playing victim, I'm definitely not naive enough to say that white people, especially males, still don't have the advantages of being white males. While it's true that things have gotten better over all, things are not free of bias in that area. In business, or anything in general, an average white male is generally in higher demand than a slightly more qualified black male or female of any race. If I ran for president now (saying I was able to), and I was more qualified than a white male who ran, I doubt I'd still win unless it was a CLEAR cut. The reason why should still be obvious. Some old dogs just don't learn new tricks.

I definitely understand both sides of this. And I'm more inclined to say it just goes both ways. What's important is that minorities understand your point, pinstrike, and the majority recognizes the plight almost all minorities face.

It's a fact. There is clearly still plenty of racism around. Some areas more than others, and some areas are practically devoid of it. But it's there. As a matter of fact, in Georgia there is a county here that is notorious for racism. Garyuu 3.1 can account for this. Forsyth county. Don't think the KKK has disappeared. They just aren't killing people as much anymore .

But what's wrong with the typical minority perspective on this topic is that white people all get smashed into the same group. I'll speak for myself: I like to earn my own keep and, frankly, I earnestly don't like the idea of having an advantage over people of another race. And I'm sure a lot of people can relate. I can't really help it if I'm white. And there's next to nothing I can do about racism in general.

But you know what the cure for a racist is? (I'll use a white racist/black man example) A black person who just smiles and brushes it off. Basically, being Jesus to somebody (sorry if your not a Christian, but that's the best way I know how to describe it).

"Well, actions speak louder than words David."

Yeah, seeing as I'm all talk, allow me to address another point: There are many forms of discrimination. Racism and sexism just naturally get the most attention. All the time, people regardless of race get treated like total crap at schools or in countless other social environments.

Ultimately, what I'm getting to is this: Does a middle class black male that's well accepted by his peers really have it worse than a rich white kid who comes to school where everybody talks behind his back and treats him like shit to his face. A lot of white people aren't free from discrimination. We endure, like everybody else, and the stronger of us just shake it off, and return with kindness.

Honestly, there isn't much people can do about racism today --it really takes a lot to cure a racist. Only time can mend. But the important thing is that nobody walks around ignorant. White people have to be aware of what so many minorities face, and minorities need to know that it's not easy being a white person who's stereotypically lumped into one big group of American biggots. Also, arguing about this issue tends to cause a bit of antagonizing of the other side. So it's best to avoid statements on the lines of "we have it worse." It's better to just recognize that both sides have problems they face.

Good post, though I have no idea as to why you felt the need to quote your own post.

[Dja Majista]

Oh yeah, I was trying to modify it but I hit quote instead. I actually deleted that last post.

[Dja Majista]

its a new trend man. after I make my points I just quote myself.

[EsteemedLeader©]

I think people, nowadays, people get more power from being oppressed. Think about it. Who has more control over what we say, do, or how we think, than women and minorities? Honestly, the whole idea of "political correctness" is based on the "subdued" minorities making decisions not only as to how our country runs, but how the majority (yes, being white males) should sculpt our morality, how on what we should base our actions and around what priniciples our media should be based.

I see this and I think of Al Sharpton.

[Dja Majista]

esteemedleader said:

I think people, nowadays, people get more power from being oppressed. Think about it. Who has more control over what we say, do, or how we think, than women and minorities? Honestly, the whole idea of "political correctness" is based on the "subdued" minorities making decisions not only as to how our country runs, but how the majority (yes, being white males) should sculpt our morality, how on what we should base our actions and around what priniciples our media should be based.

I see this and I think of Al Sharpton.

never heard of him. indulge me.

[EsteemedLeader©]

The Reverend Al Sharpton. Plays the race card all the time. Everything he disagrees with is 'racist'.

[Dja Majista]

haha. that was common with kids in high school.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

You just like taking up space, you just did it again.

[Dja Majista]

are you saying I'm fat?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Yep, you did it again lol.

[Dja Majista]

what now?