KMC sets a new precedent...

[Magic attack]

I admit that I don't go onto KMC that often, and I post on there even less. One of the main reason's is the constant lying by certain people. (As illustrated by the flow-over to this forum, but that is another topic.)


Today I am going to discuss KMC and its mod's total disregard for its regular members. There has been a thread that started about the "Debating in the Comic Versus". The thread got to talking about the forum itself and how it compares to the rest of KMC.


Now, I have slight disdain towards people lying and misrepresenting things. But I understand that is in all facets of life, and not limited towards the Comic World. I try and be fair in my judgment of people, except when they have no respect for people based on their own poor judgment.


Let's look at a statement made by one of KMC's very own mods...


'And pretty much serves the same purpose - keeping the shit all in one place so it doesn't overrun the rest of the forums.'


Now I am not going to put who made the post. But the person makes a second post...


'Not only the mods have to deal with the fallout from people acting like morons, you should know this.

And I'm also not a fan of certain aspects of the roleplaying forums, and in particular think the Unhosted section should be bombed off the face of the earth, but on the other hand? It's purpose is similar - to keep the shit that other people don't want to deal with out of the way and in one section.'


And a third post.


When I say "keeps all the shit in one area away from the rest", I meant content, not people. I doubt everyone who posts in the CB forums has an interest in Vs stuff and are probably glad it's all in one place and not spread over all the CB forums.



Now let's not mince words- The mod thinks that the Comic Book Versus Forum is shit. So the second most popular board (Comic Book Versus) on the entire forum is shit? And the people on there act like morons?


Well I have looked through the boards that the person moderates. It has its share of shit, and people acting like morons. The mod is far from knowledgeable and actually got owned by steverules, of all people because of her lack of knowledge. The mod displays arrogance very often, as do most of the mods there.

I know that the mod has their right to an opinion, but is it correct to voice that opinion? This is much like the Prince Charles comment. People with power seem to feel that their opinions are needed by us lesser beings.

Somehow the Comic Book Vs. board is somehow shit, just because the mod thinks it. Well I enjoy reading the threads from time to time. I don't post because of the lying that goes on there. When the people are confronted with their lies, they insult or run away. I don't consider the forum shit, or the people morons. Even the ones doing the insulting. I think they are just being immature, and they should be removed. Either temporarily or permanently. Perhaps if the mods actually did their jobs, the place wouldn't be in the state it is now. I don't think that it's shit, just needs some refining.



In other words...


If the forum really is shit, wouldn't it be the mods that let it get that way and not the morons... I mean members?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

shakezula said:

I admit that I don't go onto KMC that often, and I post on there even less. One of the main reason's is the constant lying by certain people. (As illustrated by the flow-over to this forum, but that is another topic.)


Today I am going to discuss KMC and its mod's total disregard for its regular members. There has been a thread that started about the "Debating in the Comic Versus". The thread got to talking about the forum itself and how it compares to the rest of KMC.


Now, I have slight disdain towards people lying and misrepresenting things. But I understand that is in all facets of life, and not limited towards the Comic World. I try and be fair in my judgment of people, except when they have no respect for people based on their own poor judgment.


Let's look at a statement made by one of KMC's very own mods...


'And pretty much serves the same purpose - keeping the shit all in one place so it doesn't overrun the rest of the forums.'


Now I am not going to put who made the post. But the person makes a second post...


'Not only the mods have to deal with the fallout from people acting like morons, you should know this.

And I'm also not a fan of certain aspects of the roleplaying forums, and in particular think the Unhosted section should be bombed off the face of the earth, but on the other hand? It's purpose is similar - to keep the shit that other people don't want to deal with out of the way and in one section.'


And a third post.


When I say "keeps all the shit in one area away from the rest", I meant content, not people. I doubt everyone who posts in the CB forums has an interest in Vs stuff and are probably glad it's all in one place and not spread over all the CB forums.



Now let's not mince words- The mod thinks that the Comic Book Versus Forum is shit. So the second most popular board (Comic Book Versus) on the entire forum is shit? And the people on there act like morons?


Well I have looked through the boards that the person moderates. It has its share of shit, and people acting like morons. The mod is far from knowledgeable and actually got owned by steverules, of all people because of her lack of knowledge. The mod displays arrogance very often, as do most of the mods there.

I know that the mod has their right to an opinion, but is it correct to voice that opinion? This is much like the Prince Charles comment. People with power seem to feel that their opinions are needed by us lesser beings.

Somehow the Comic Book Vs. board is somehow shit, just because the mod thinks it. Well I enjoy reading the threads from time to time. I don't post because of the lying that goes on there. When the people are confronted with their lies, they insult or run away. I don't consider the forum shit, or the people morons. Even the ones doing the insulting. I think they are just being immature, and they should be removed. Either temporarily or permanently. Perhaps if the mods actually did their jobs, the place wouldn't be in the state it is now. I don't think that it's shit, just needs some refining.



In other words...


If the forum really is shit, wouldn't it be the mods that let it get that way and not the morons... I mean members?

Yea, I'm on both sides. Lana did say those things (bite me lol), but my problem itself was with Vinny who made a thread before about the Off Topic somehow being a better thread.

I don't think the concept of the CvS is a bad idea, I think the moronic members make it that way. I have met some people from that forum that have made my life a bit different if I hadn't. I know in the Comic versus, I often feel it's crap because of the people who ruin the experinece. Digi is very nice, lenient, and fair, and does what he can. I say the forum is crap (even to him), not because of the idea of the forum, but because of what goes on there. I love comics, I love games, sports, and sometimes otf, but they all need to be taken care of better. And the newbs who flame everyone are just as guilty as the arrogant older members who think they can say what they want, when they want because they are older members there.

All elitist and stupid really.

[Magic attack]

admin said:

Yea, I'm on both sides. Lana did say those things (bite me lol)

Lol.

but my problem itself was with Vinny who made a thread before about the Off Topic somehow being a better thread.

That would be his opinion. If he has no knowledge on the subject at hand then of course he will find the Off Topic somehow more appealing. The lure of that board is that anyone can go there, regardless of their prior knowledge.

AC was pretty much tearing him up about it. Its Vinny's opinion and not a fact, and no matter how hard Vinny wants to believe differently- it is still only his opinion.

I don't think the concept of the CvS is a bad idea,

I agree.

I think the moronic members make it that way.

But there are those on every board, and every forum. If the mods allow it to happen, then who is to blame?

I have met some people from that forum that have made my life a bit different if I hadn't.

I didn't realize you cared so much.

I know in the Comic versus, I often feel it's crap because of the people who ruin the experinece.

I agree that there are people there set on ruining the experience.

Digi is very nice, lenient, and fair, and does what he can.

True for the most part.

I say the forum is crap (even to him), not because of the idea of the forum, but because of what goes on there.

And you are entitled to your opinion, but should a mod be saying that? Should a mod be saying that an entire board is shit, and that the members are morons?

How are they being impartial like that?

I love comics, I love games, sports, and sometimes otf, but they all need to be taken care of better.

I agree, I dont go on the games boards over there at all, but the sports board's mod was really lacking any knowledge the last time I went through there.

And the newbs who flame everyone are just as guilty as the arrogant older members who think they can say what they want, when they want because they are older members there.

Yes, but there are rules about that. The mods aren't doing there job enforcing the rules, hence why it is in that state.

All elitist and stupid really.

Yeah. I agree. Not much can be done though, except to avoid the place. The admin won't listen to any ideas, nor even acknowledge anyone he doesn't like. Members aren't left with much recourse.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

shakezula said:

admin said:

That would be his opinion. If he has no knowledge on the subject at hand then of course he will find the Off Topic somehow more appealing. The lure of that board is that anyone can go there, regardless of their prior knowledge.

And that they can be morons and post out of their ass. Actually I'd say the CvS has people on there more often, but people just read a bit more before they post, people in the vs. forums may sit and read several threads at a time. OTF doesn't do that.

shakezula said:

admin said:

AC was pretty much tearing him up about it. Its Vinny's opinion and not a fact, and no matter how hard Vinny wants to believe differently- it is still only his opinion.

AC can hand out some ownings here and there, Vinny is a moron. I hate elitist people like that, and of the OTF of all places. In real life he isn't much I'd imagine. He just gets his ego boost from girls online telling him he's "sexah" and guys as well.

shakezula said:

admin said:

But there are those on every board, and every forum. If the mods allow it to happen, then who is to blame?

There are, but my particular bone to pick is the nature that it's done over there. The amount of judge/whirly/yahman socks are ridiculous, the amount of bashing they are allowed to get away with, it's proportionally bad. Like I said before Digi does what he can, but he really can't ban anyone or anything, he has to send a request that they review.

shakezula said:

admin said:

I didn't realize you cared so much.

Well I enjoyed the good ol' days, before it got really bad. But everyone says that biasedly, I mean it unbiasedly. The days when demi, Never, and my other friends were around (whether they debated or not) was fun, the start of the OTF thread in the comic versus was fun. But now we just have socks, and more socks.

shakezula said:

admin said:

I agree that there are people there set on ruining the experience.

And they get away with it. For example, my thread got closed because Capt simply couldn't argue without calling people an idiot-something he shouldn't do as he's sensitive. It led to my thread getting closed, which I didn't like.

shakezula said:

admin said:

True for the most part.

Well he can only send socks and other things for review, the globals can only ban, and Raz of course, but sometimes being overly lenient isn't good, maybe Capt might do well with a ban.

shakezula said:

admin said:

And you are entitled to your opinion, but should a mod be saying that? Should a mod be saying that an entire board is shit, and that the members are morons?

How are they being impartial like that?

I mean that I would say that to digi, not that he'd said that himself.

shakezula said:

admin said:

I agree, I dont go on the games boards over there at all, but the sports board's mod was really lacking any knowledge the last time I went through there.

lol, was his name like Dez or something?

shakezula said:

admin said:

Yes, but there are rules about that. The mods aren't doing there job enforcing the rules, hence why it is in that state.

Alot are, they can only close threads and give warnings, any request has to be sent up to the globals, who might not even be on. So someone might harass for days before they get banned.

Read the user notes on the banned members. Only globals can do it.

shakezula said:

admin said:

Yeah. I agree. Not much can be done though, except to avoid the place. The admin won't listen to any ideas, nor even acknowledge anyone he doesn't like. Members aren't left with much recourse.

He listens to techie ideas and sig/scrolling/search function ideas. Maybe we need more staff, but again it's also on the members (who should be mature) to behave.

It comes down to both. Can't blame the teacher for not getting the lesson out if the students won't do their part.

[Magic attack]

admin said:

And that they can be morons and post out of their ass. Actually I'd say the CvS has people on there more often, but people just read a bit more before they post, people in the vs. forums may sit and read several threads at a time. OTF doesn't do that.

That is true. They complain more about the duplicate threads on the comic versus. Even though there may be different stipulations. On the other boards? They really don't care as much.

admin said:

AC can hand out some ownings here and there, Vinny is a moron. I hate elitist people like that, and of the OTF of all places. In real life he isn't much I'd imagine. He just gets his ego boost from girls online telling him he's "sexah" and guys as well.

lol. I agree that he probably needs the ego boost.

admin said:

There are, but my particular bone to pick is the nature that it's done over there. The amount of judge/whirly/yahman socks are ridiculous, the amount of bashing they are allowed to get away with, it's proportionally bad. Like I said before Digi does what he can, but he really can't ban anyone or anything, he has to send a request that they review.

I know that Digi can't ban anyone. for whatever reason. I also know that it is all volunteer, and no one gets paid. But doesn't anyone take pride in their workmanship anymore?

If I were Digi, I would push for changes. Either for himself to be able to handle things better... ie more power. Or changes of some other sort, a better sock check perhaps?

admin said:

Well I enjoyed the good ol' days, before it got really bad. But everyone says that biasedly, I mean it unbiasedly. The days when demi, Never, and my other friends were around (whether they debated or not) was fun, the start of the OTF thread in the comic versus was fun. But now we just have socks, and more socks.

Yeah, there are ways to combat the sock situation. But it is up to Raz to implement the necessary changes.

admin said:

And they get away with it. For example, my thread got closed because Capt simply couldn't argue without calling people an idiot-something he shouldn't do as he's sensitive. It led to my thread getting closed, which I didn't like.

I didn't like that your thread got closed. It was a good attempt at getting factual information. I really can't understand either. If the feats actually existed, why wouldn't the ones claiming that they exist want to show them?

They could have owned almost an entire forum with the proof. There are plenty of naysayers, and they would have all been shut up with some sort of proof...

Instead you got lies, and member bashing, by the ones with the most to gain by providing actual feats.

Really sad

admin said:

Well he can only send socks and other things for review, the globals can only ban, and Raz of course, but sometimes being overly lenient isn't good, maybe Capt might do well with a ban.

Another? I don't know really if a temp ban actually dissuades someone from doing something that they shouldn't. Since dealing with him here we came upon the lying thing. I will go over that in a second.

admin said:

I mean that I would say that to digi, not that he'd said that himself.

Oh I know, I was talking about why would Lana say it? She represents the forum by being a mod? Why should the Comic Versus act like anything but morons, when that is the preconceived notion of them?

admin said:

lol, was his name like Dez or something?

I don't think so. It was a female. She didn't want people to make individual College Football threads. She wanted them all to go into the NFL thread.

I forget what team it was, but her comment read something along the lines of "This belongs in the NFL thread, that is what we have it for." lol

admin said:

Alot are, they can only close threads and give warnings, any request has to be sent up to the globals, who might not even be on. So someone might harass for days before they get banned.

Read the user notes on the banned members. Only globals can do it.

Which is a problem. How can the forum be efficient, when things get done.... whenever someone feels like it. But that is how they do things, in their own timely fashion I guess.

admin said:

He listens to techie ideas and sig/scrolling/search function ideas. Maybe we need more staff, but again it's also on the members (who should be mature) to behave.

It comes down to both. Can't blame the teacher for not getting the lesson out if the students won't do their part.

That I agree with. I know that it isn't all the mods fault, the guilty members are to blame for their actions. Most of them are grown men doing it.

[Magic attack]

Kuwabara/ capt it up


We all know that they are one in the same person. My problem is the lying that has gone on.

His claims have been that-

1. That he is an expert on Wolverine.

2. He claimed that there was a feat in "Wolverine #40"


Now, I posted the issue of Wolverine #40. There was no feat like the one that he claimed was there.

Why is this?

Well lets look at the possible reasons.

A. He lied, he is a self proclaimed expert on the subject of Wolverine. He tried to mislead everyone by claiming there was a feat, because he figured that no one would check.

B. He made a mistake. The actual issue was "Marvel Comics Presents #40". So this is a possibility. But my concern with this solution is as follows- He tried to act like somehow I made a mistake. That I had the wrong issue. In fact I did, because I believed him when he was going on and on about the so-called feat in Wolverine issue #40.



If it was a mistake, an honest man would have retracted his previous comment of Wolverine #40 and apologized. I know, speaking from experience, that I feel that I am an expert on certain subjects. Probably even to the point of arrogance. And I do catch myself making mistakes every so often, and when they are pointed out... I apologize for accidentally providing wrong info. Things happen, I might have had a bad day or not been paying full attention to the question asked. But I wouldn't put the blame on someone else, when in fact I made the mistake. Especially when the proof is right in front of me. That is something a liar would do.


In either scenario, he out-n-out lied. He provided the wrong info, and rather than be a man about it he tried to shift the blame onto someone else. He either lied originally, or lied about not making a mistake so take your pick.


I wont be having any future dealings with him.

[hercules]

I have only been on KMC for a month as a member, I did lurk about as a non member and read the threads for probably a month or so prior.

But I agree with a lot of whats been said, Digi is a nice guy but he hasn't the power to control the boards as well as he could.

I tend to stick around the Comic Books and Comic vs boards, I look at the others but rarely post in them unless something catches my interest.

I think I had been there a week before Garfield Cat who I think was associated with the whole Bears thing, called me a sock and accused me of being Marcus.

I realise now he was doing it for a reaction and he got one from me! a week later a Judge sock actually posted a topic about me being a sock.

This time I learned from my mistake, Judge and Whirly (I don't think I have come across a Yahman sock yet?) like the attention, as long as they get the attention, they will keep trying to push your buttons.

All the other members do is throw fuel on the fire when they react, The whole Cindy Bear thing last night, was an example, everyone knew it was Whirly, yet kept trying to insult and attack, like that was going to get rid of him?

From what I've seen he loves the attention, your not bothering him, hes laughing at you, ignore him, he will leave you alone and go away.

I reported about three of Cindy's threads and within the hour a global banned the account.

If everybody sat back, ignored them and reported them, they would have a lot less of a shelf life and eventually they would give up.

Of course it would work better if Digi who is on the comic boards the most often could just ban as soon as he saw the signs.

I would like to see the boards tightening up a bit though, you challenge someone on their knowledge (which after all is what a debate is all about) and their reaction is to call you an Idiot or a retard!

xmeat and Devilgoblin and the like are just a little above Trolls but to be fair to them, neither of them call me an Idiot anymore after I blasted them both the first time they did it.

Capt it up, I ignore, some of his wild claims make me smile to myself but really, your never going to change his mind so let him get on with it.

I liked your thread Cmaster but at the same time, I didn't comment in it cause I could see which way the wind was blowing, the louder and more ignorant forum members seem to think winning a debate means out shouting the other guy.

How the word "owned" gets thrown around can be annoying too, there seem to be a lot of fragile egos on KMC, if I can see there is no getting through to someone, I will cease commenting in the thread.

This is then seen by certain posters as "HHHAAAHHH, I pwned him, he running scared, I king, rawwwhhh lols!!!!!111111"

Personaly, I'm a successful, finacialy sound person, working in the secruity industry, I have my own home, good friends and a good life, I don't need to "own" someone on a forum to make myself feel better.

On the flip side It doesn't harm my ego one bit for someone to think that they "owned" me, if I get my facts wrong or remember something in the wrong order and its pointed out, I will admit it and conceed the point.

I have fun at KMC, I think that the good posters outweigh the bad and the socks, I do find it funny when me and a group of others set up a "team" and even take the mickey out of ourselves by calling it "T.E.A.M, The Mongooses" and still other users who belong to other teams feel the need to tell us how they "pwn" us.

But this is the beauty of the internet, it has all works of life, from the brilliant to the down right ignorant, I try not to let it get to me, bite my lip when my instinct may be to lose my temper and try and let things fly over my head.

I try to be as light hearted as I can because after all were debating comic books on the internet! were not sitting at a UN summit trying to solve world hunger.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

shakezula said:

admin said:

That is true. They complain more about the duplicate threads on the comic versus. Even though there may be different stipulations. On the other boards? They really don't care as much.

Exactly. How many "Your mama so fat..." type of threads have we seen there? How many "rate my..." threads have we seen there.

People only hate on the comic sections, because they don't understand it. We're the geeks of the forum, that's all it boils down to, even though it is stupid. Because they have some of the coolest people there once you get to know them.

shakezula said:

admin said:

lol. I agree that he probably needs the ego boost.

In real life he probably gets beat down.

shakezula said:

admin said:

I know that Digi can't ban anyone. for whatever reason. I also know that it is all volunteer, and no one gets paid. But doesn't anyone take pride in their workmanship anymore?

I think he likes what he does, and I think he takes too much. Ultraman Baltan got mad about his thread and outright said Digi was a bad mod. He's one of the few I geniunely don't have a problem with.

shakezula said:

admin said:

If I were Digi, I would push for changes. Either for himself to be able to handle things better... ie more power. Or changes of some other sort, a better sock check perhaps?

From the man himself on the thread earlier today.

"f you have a problem with the ban system, talk to us personally. Complaining doesn't help.

We can't just ban on hunches, which prevents mod abuse of the banning privelege. We have to be able to prove our claim with either sock checks, a system of warnings, or irrefutable proof of the person's sock-dom.

So yeah, I see it too, and realize that it's not perfect. But the system is in place for a reason.

Like bada said, ignore them in the future...it's clearly the best policy.

And again, any further comments/questions should be handled via PM."

shakezula said:

admin said:

Yeah, there are ways to combat the sock situation. But it is up to Raz to implement the necessary changes.

There's only so much to do. You have IP, email, and name checks. Obviously all you need is an online cafe, and a fake email and you can bypass it. Attention whores will constantly do this, which is rather sad. One of the benefits of being on small forums like this.

shakezula said:

admin said:

I didn't like that your thread got closed. It was a good attempt at getting factual information. I really can't understand either. If the feats actually existed, why wouldn't the ones claiming that they exist want to show them?

They kept trying to derail the thread with off-topic nonsense.

True answer is that there wasn't any.

shakezula said:

admin said:

They could have owned almost an entire forum with the proof. There are plenty of naysayers, and they would have all been shut up with some sort of proof...

Which they didn't have.

shakezula said:

admin said:

Instead you got lies, and member bashing, by the ones with the most to gain by providing actual feats.

Really sad

And that is why their rep is bad.

shakezula said:

admin said:

Another? I don't know really if a temp ban actually dissuades someone from doing something that they shouldn't. Since dealing with him here we came upon the lying thing. I will go over that in a second.

It depends, Capt has improved from Wolverine8888. Some people get tense and do things they regret. Now the ones who just outright cause trouble should be dealt away with.

shakezula said:

admin said:

Oh I know, I was talking about why would Lana say it? She represents the forum by being a mod? Why should the Comic Versus act like anything but morons, when that is the preconceived notion of them?

I agree, it's like a teacher saying "all freshmen are dumb".

shakezula said:

admin said:

I don't think so. It was a female. She didn't want people to make individual College Football threads. She wanted them all to go into the NFL thread.

I forget what team it was, but her comment read something along the lines of "This belongs in the NFL thread, that is what we have it for." lol

shakezula said:

admin said:

Which is a problem. How can the forum be efficient, when things get done.... whenever someone feels like it. But that is how they do things, in their own timely fashion I guess.

I can't really say they don't do anything, I have a problem with how it's handled. Take me for instance. I got loads of warnings for doing next to nothing, except when I asked a question in a debate, or fought back in a flame war I didn't start. Why didn't they get warned as well?

shakezula said:

admin said:

That I agree with. I know that it isn't all the mods fault, the guilty members are to blame for their actions. Most of them are grown men doing it.

Which is the really sad part.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

hercules said:

I have only been on KMC for a month as a member, I did lurk about as a non member and read the threads for probably a month or so prior.

But I agree with a lot of whats been said, Digi is a nice guy but he hasn't the power to control the boards as well as he could.

I tend to stick around the Comic Books and Comic vs boards, I look at the others but rarely post in them unless something catches my interest.

I think I had been there a week before Garfield Cat who I think was associated with the whole Bears thing, called me a sock and accused me of being Marcus.

I realise now he was doing it for a reaction and he got one from me! a week later a Judge sock actually posted a topic about me being a sock.

This time I learned from my mistake, Judge and Whirly (I don't think I have come across a Yahman sock yet?) like the attention, as long as they get the attention, they will keep trying to push your buttons.

All the other members do is throw fuel on the fire when they react, The whole Cindy Bear thing last night, was an example, everyone knew it was Whirly, yet kept trying to insult and attack, like that was going to get rid of him?

From what I've seen he loves the attention, your not bothering him, hes laughing at you, ignore him, he will leave you alone and go away.

I reported about three of Cindy's threads and within the hour a global banned the account.

If everybody sat back, ignored them and reported them, they would have a lot less of a shelf life and eventually they would give up.

Of course it would work better if Digi who is on the comic boards the most often could just ban as soon as he saw the signs.

I would like to see the boards tightening up a bit though, you challenge someone on their knowledge (which after all is what a debate is all about) and their reaction is to call you an Idiot or a retard!

xmeat and Devilgoblin and the like are just a little above Trolls but to be fair to them, neither of them call me an Idiot anymore after I blasted them both the first time they did it.

Capt it up, I ignore, some of his wild claims make me smile to myself but really, your never going to change his mind so let him get on with it.

I liked your thread Cmaster but at the same time, I didn't comment in it cause I could see which way the wind was blowing, the louder and more ignorant forum members seem to think winning a debate means out shouting the other guy.

How the word "owned" gets thrown around can be annoying too, there seem to be a lot of fragile egos on KMC, if I can see there is no getting through to someone, I will cease commenting in the thread.

This is then seen by certain posters as "HHHAAAHHH, I pwned him, he running scared, I king, rawwwhhh lols!!!!!111111"

Personaly, I'm a successful, finacialy sound person, working in the secruity industry, I have my own home, good friends and a good life, I don't need to "own" someone on a forum to make myself feel better.

On the flip side It doesn't harm my ego one bit for someone to think that they "owned" me, if I get my facts wrong or remember something in the wrong order and its pointed out, I will admit it and conceed the point.

I have fun at KMC, I think that the good posters outweigh the bad and the socks, I do find it funny when me and a group of others set up a "team" and even take the mickey out of ourselves by calling it "T.E.A.M, The Mongooses" and still other users who belong to other teams feel the need to tell us how they "pwn" us.

But this is the beauty of the internet, it has all works of life, from the brilliant to the down right ignorant, I try not to let it get to me, bite my lip when my instinct may be to lose my temper and try and let things fly over my head.

I try to be as light hearted as I can because after all were debating comic books on the internet! were not sitting at a UN summit trying to solve world hunger.

Good post from a good person. There have been some Yahman socks around though, like Flame On for example.

[Magic attack]

hercules said:

I have only been on KMC for a month as a member, I did lurk about as a non member and read the threads for probably a month or so prior.

Then you knew what you were getting yourself into.

But I agree with a lot of whats been said, Digi is a nice guy but he hasn't the power to control the boards as well as he could.

Yes, it is true. They hold Digi back.

I tend to stick around the Comic Books and Comic vs boards, I look at the others but rarely post in them unless something catches my interest.

Like what else, there are many things to discuss on here.

I think I had been there a week before Garfield Cat who I think was associated with the whole Bears thing, called me a sock and accused me of being Marcus.

Hmmm. I never saw Garfield Cat, but that would have to be a sock of either Yahman or Whirly. lol

I realise now he was doing it for a reaction and he got one from me! a week later a Judge sock actually posted a topic about me being a sock.

That was the intent, to see who he could bait in. They were fishing and they caught you hook, line and sinker.

This time I learned from my mistake, Judge and Whirly (I don't think I have come across a Yahman sock yet?) like the attention, as long as they get the attention, they will keep trying to push your buttons.

I do find it funny sometimes, but I am only looking at it from the outside.

All the other members do is throw fuel on the fire when they react, The whole Cindy Bear thing last night, was an example, everyone knew it was Whirly, yet kept trying to insult and attack, like that was going to get rid of him?

Whirly is funny. lol. He is just trying to cause a stir, and the others don't realize it.

From what I've seen he loves the attention, your not bothering him, hes laughing at you, ignore him, he will leave you alone and go away.

That is Whirly. lol

I reported about three of Cindy's threads and within the hour a global banned the account.

Good thing it is anonymous, or he would then start trolling after you.

If everybody sat back, ignored them and reported them, they would have a lot less of a shelf life and eventually they would give up.

True

Of course it would work better if Digi who is on the comic boards the most often could just ban as soon as he saw the signs.

True again.

I would like to see the boards tightening up a bit though, you challenge someone on their knowledge (which after all is what a debate is all about) and their reaction is to call you an Idiot or a retard!

Yes, or they will disappear. Another tactic is to tell you what you probably think. How they can know this is a mystery, I guess they have some sort of mind powers.

xmeat and Devilgoblin and the like are just a little above Trolls but to be fair to them, neither of them call me an Idiot anymore after I blasted them both the first time they did it.

Good man.

Capt it up, I ignore, some of his wild claims make me smile to myself but really, your never going to change his mind so let him get on with it.

True.

I liked your thread Cmaster but at the same time, I didn't comment in it cause I could see which way the wind was blowing, the louder and more ignorant forum members seem to think winning a debate means out shouting the other guy.

lol. That is another of KMC's patented debating tactics.

How the word "owned" gets thrown around can be annoying too, there seem to be a lot of fragile egos on KMC, if I can see there is no getting through to someone, I will cease commenting in the thread.

It is usually after one person quotes someone else's post, like I am doing to your original post. So in essence, I am owning you at the moment.

This is then seen by certain posters as "HHHAAAHHH, I pwned him, he running scared, I king, rawwwhhh lols!!!!!111111"

This is true. People just seem to need the ego boost. The person's batpackers will come and confirm his self proclaimed owning.

Personaly, I'm a successful, finacialy sound person, working in the secruity industry, I have my own home, good friends and a good life, I don't need to "own" someone on a forum to make myself feel better.

That is good to hear. I am glad for you having a fortunate life.

On the flip side It doesn't harm my ego one bit for someone to think that they "owned" me, if I get my facts wrong or remember something in the wrong order and its pointed out, I will admit it and conceed the point.

That is a good trait. Humility...


If only others possessed it as well.

I have fun at KMC, I think that the good posters outweigh the bad and the socks, I do find it funny when me and a group of others set up a "team" and even take the mickey out of ourselves by calling it "T.E.A.M, The Mongooses" and still other users who belong to other teams feel the need to tell us how they "pwn" us.

Attention seekers it seems.

But this is the beauty of the internet, it has all works of life, from the brilliant to the down right ignorant, I try not to let it get to me, bite my lip when my instinct may be to lose my temper and try and let things fly over my head.

That is good, the internet is full of 98 lbs. internet tough guys.

I try to be as light hearted as I can because after all were debating comic books on the internet! were not sitting at a UN summit trying to solve world hunger.

Comic books are more important than world hunger.

[Magic attack]

admin said:

Exactly. How many "Your mama so fat..." type of threads have we seen there? How many "rate my..." threads have we seen there.

Hey, didn't you have one of those rate me threads?

People only hate on the comic sections, because they don't understand it. We're the geeks of the forum, that's all it boils down to, even though it is stupid. Because they have some of the coolest people there once you get to know them.

That is true. I haven't chatted with many people there, but most I have are pretty cool.

In real life he probably gets beat down.

lol




I think he likes what he does, and I think he takes too much. Ultraman Baltan got mad about his thread and outright said Digi was a bad mod. He's one of the few I geniunely don't have a problem with.[/quote]


Ultraman Baltan? I don't think I know of him. But it seems that he was just being spiteful.

From the man himself on the thread earlier today.

"f you have a problem with the ban system, talk to us personally. Complaining doesn't help.

We can't just ban on hunches, which prevents mod abuse of the banning privelege. We have to be able to prove our claim with either sock checks, a system of warnings, or irrefutable proof of the person's sock-dom.

So yeah, I see it too, and realize that it's not perfect. But the system is in place for a reason.

Like bada said, ignore them in the future...it's clearly the best policy.

And again, any further comments/questions should be handled via PM."

Well if that was from Digi, that is all he can do. If that was from Raz... Good luck getting a response when you PM him.

There's only so much to do. You have IP, email, and name checks. Obviously all you need is an online cafe, and a fake email and you can bypass it. Attention whores will constantly do this, which is rather sad. One of the benefits of being on small forums like this.

Well there is always a way around a ban. But there are ways to increase the security.

They kept trying to derail the thread with off-topic nonsense.

They succeeded.

True answer is that there wasn't any.

That is how it seems.

Which they didn't have.

Unfortunately. I was hoping for something.

And that is why their rep is bad.

I guess that I was wrong for expecting something else.

It depends, Capt has improved from Wolverine8888. Some people get tense and do things they regret. Now the ones who just outright cause trouble should be dealt away with.





I agree, it's like a teacher saying "all freshmen are dumb".

Yeah.

I laughed as well. lol

I can't really say they don't do anything, I have a problem with how it's handled. Take me for instance. I got loads of warnings for doing next to nothing, except when I asked a question in a debate, or fought back in a flame war I didn't start. Why didn't they get warned as well?

Correct, you probably deserved a warning. You were involved by fighting back. But the others should have at least received the same repercussions.

Which is the really sad part.

I am a grown man as well.

[newjak]

I'm sorry I have to come to the aid of my friend Lana on this one. I know she comes off as rude sometimes. That is just how she is. She speaks her mind on subjects especially on subjects she doesn't like.

As a Mod who doesn't frequent the Comic Boards much all she hears is the bad talk about immature posters. All the socking and trolling and spam that goes on.

Am I saying it is the right viewpoint no but I understand whee she can get her opinion on the matter.

[Magic attack]

newjak said:

I'm sorry I have to come to the aid of my friend Lana on this one.

This thread was meant to talk about some of KMC's problems, not really to single Lana out. As she was the one that made the comment, she is the one being brought into the limelight.

I know she comes off as rude sometimes. That is just how she is. She speaks her mind on subjects especially on subjects she doesn't like.

That would be fine... if she weren't a mod.

Shouldn't a mod be held to a higher standard? A mod shouldn't engage in any bashing, trolling or spamming right?

As a Mod who doesn't frequent the Comic Boards much all she hears is the bad talk about immature posters. All the socking and trolling and spam that goes on.

So now she becomes the judge and jury on the matter? She is going on hearsay rather than seeing the actual proof herself?

There are trolls, spammers and socks on every board throughout KMC. The Comic Versus just happens to be a very popular place. So it is brought more into the limelight.

If the problem is so rampant, why doesn't she go on there from time to time. She could try and help try police the board. She seems to have plenty of time.

Or instead of complaining about it, the mods and admin could implement better sock checks. There is really only a few people that are causing most of the problems. If they were removed, then a lot of the problems would dissipate. But since the person(people) doing the socking is(are) far smarter than the people trying to catch him(them), they really don't have a prayer. I guess their plan involves hoping that the guilty parties eventually get so bored of ripping through the Comic Boards that he finally quits doing it. Seeing as how the Judge reappeared this morning again, I guess that plan has failed again.

Am I saying it is the right viewpoint no but I understand where she can get her opinion on the matter.

She has the right to her opinion, and the right to voice it. I just don't feel that she should exercise that right since she is a mod that represents KMC and is supposed to be impartial. But she isn't and neither is KMC.




This really shouldn't be a personal attack on Lana. She isn't here to defend her statements or position. But the viewpoint was made by one of KMC's mods, and that shows their inability to rectify the situation.


The truth of the matter is this- the board isn't shit and the people there aren't morons. There are a few people, that the KMC staff are either to lazy or not smart enough to catch, that are causing a lot of problems.


I just don't think that the solution is for a mod to bash an entire board by calling people morons and the board shit. hmmmmm, Don't you post there?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

I myself don't mind a good ripping in a debate, my problem is that they start it first and then they go off crying. I don't act like that when I just start off, it's the same old people really most of the time. Sometimes people just "own" themselves. Though I don't get how people try to start quoting every chunk to make it look like they're tearing your point apart when they get frustrated. If you are going to do lengthy posts like I do when I start my super post, at least have a damned point.

But people do overreact to whirly, though I must admit sometimes it can be irritating and childish. Most people go on there to chill, why is a guy the same age my mom trolling a internet forum nonstop? Does he really have no life? I know it's meant to be funny, but sometimes...

Like I said he's a friend of mine, but meh.

And Lana is my friend too, but I wasn't aiming my problem at her moreso, it was at certain member's tactics.

[Magic attack]

admin said:

I myself don't mind a good ripping in a debate, my problem is that they start it first and then they go off crying.

Yeah, it seems like a lot of the posters like to give but can't take it at all.

I don't act like that when I just start off, it's the same old people really most of the time. Sometimes people just "own" themselves. Though I don't get how people try to start quoting every chunk to make it look like they're tearing your point apart when they get frustrated.

Like how I am illustrating with your post. I am tearing it apart, and there is nothing you can do to stop me.


C -> #sadwalk#

If you are going to do lengthy posts like I do when I start my super post, at least have a damned point.

When I have one, I will let you know.

But people do overreact to whirly, though I must admit sometimes it can be irritating and childish. Most people go on there to chill, why is a guy the same age my mom trolling a internet forum nonstop?

Does he really have no life? I know it's meant to be funny, but sometimes...

That is true, sometimes it isn't.

Like I said he's a friend of mine, but meh.

I don't know him at all. I have only talked to him on the forum like maybe 1 or 2 times. But I understand what you mean. He is your friend, but you don't condone all of his actions.

And Lana is my friend too, but I wasn't aiming my problem at her moreso, it was at certain member's tactics.

Agreed, while she may have made the original post. My problem is with KMC and it's hypocrisy.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Yeah, it seems like a lot of the posters like to give but can't take it at all.

Pretty much, and it's even sadder when they resort to tattling.

Like how I am illustrating with your post. I am tearing it apart, and there is nothing you can do to stop me.


C -> #sadwalk#

Dammit, I am getting owned aren't I?

When I have one, I will let you know.

That is true, sometimes it isn't.

I don't know him at all. I have only talked to him on the forum like maybe 1 or 2 times. But I understand what you mean. He is your friend, but you don't condone all of his actions.

Well it's like that funny kid who has a joke often, but then they don't shut up and you get a bit tired of it from time to time.

Agreed, while she may have made the original post. My problem is with KMC and it's hypocrisy.

And idiots for that matter.

[alfheim]

All I can say is recently Capt has been ****ing me off. He spammed on my Cap respect thread and accused me of lying. Anyway i just told him if he cant be civil he can just **** off.

[hercules]

shakezula said:

Then you knew what you were getting yourself into.

Yes I did but just thought "sod it!" and joined anyway!

Yes, it is true. They hold Digi back.

Agreed, Digi's hands are tied a lot of the time.

Like what else, there are many things to discuss on here.

Indeed there are, I need to spend more time on here and less on KMC!

Hmmm. I never saw Garfield Cat, but that would have to be a sock of either Yahman or Whirly. lol

It was one or the other, I haven't seen that sock around for weeks.

That was the intent, to see who he could bait in. They were fishing and they caught you hook, line and sinker.

They did indeed but once bitten and all that...

I do find it funny sometimes, but I am only looking at it from the outside.

To be honest, so do I now, its got to a point where people are taking bets on how long the latest sock will last.

Whirly is funny. lol. He is just trying to cause a stir, and the others don't realize it.

I think hes amusing, some of the stuff he says makes me laugh out loud, it always seems to be the same people who respond to him too, some people never learn!

That is Whirly. lol

I haven't been on KMC long and even I can spot the signs that its him now! lol

Good thing it is anonymous, or he would then start trolling after you.

Well I wouldn't have bothered normaly but he was getting a little out of hand, with certain comments he was making, I'm sure I wasn't the only one that reported him either!

Yes, or they will disappear. Another tactic is to tell you what you probably think. How they can know this is a mystery, I guess they have some sort of mind powers.

Yes! I was told just the other week that Spiderman dazing Masterson Thor was me getting Thor mixed up with Thunderstrike who was Pro Reg during Civil war!

Till I pointed out Eric Masterson died way before civil war and told them I was talking about when Masterson replaced Thor and gave the issues.

lol. That is another of KMC's patented debating tactics.

It is, I think some members may need to look up the word "debate" in the dictionary.

It is usually after one person quotes someone else's post, like I am doing to your original post. So in essence, I am owning you at the moment.

Damn owned again or to use the KMC terminology "PWNED!!!111" Ahh well, one day maybe I can be up there with the hallowed names of KMC.

Till then, I will continue to get owned! ;D

This is true. People just seem to need the ego boost. The person's batpackers will come and confirm his self proclaimed owning.

Yes, people on KMC travel in packs, to be fair, I am a member of what called be called a pack too, so can't comment lol

That is good to hear. I am glad for you having a fortunate life.

I worked hard for everything I have but yeah luck definetly played a part, not everyone is so lucky.

That is a good trait. Humility...


If only others possessed it as well.

I think it comes with age, I am very competitive and like to win but at the same time, I can accept losing.

Wasn't always so though!

Attention seekers it seems.

We all are to some extent, we all want everyone to look at us, if we didn't, we wouldn't be on places like this I guess.

Still its harmless and amusing, so its all good.

That is good, the internet is full of 98 lbs. internet tough guys.

This is very true! or "keyboard warriors" as I like to call them!

Comic books are more important than world hunger.

Ahh the fatal flaw in my final sentence! ;D

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

alfheim said:

All I can say is recently Capt has been ****ing me off. He spammed on my Cap respect thread and accused me of lying. Anyway i just told him if he cant be civil he can just **** off.

Irony.

Did he get a warning?

[Magic attack]

admin said:

Pretty much, and it's even sadder when they resort to tattling.

That is pretty sad. I think I stopped telling on people in 1st grade.

admin said:

Dammit, I am getting owned aren't I?

Don't worry, it will all be over very soon.

admin said:

And idiots for that matter.

The internet is full of them.

[Magic attack]

hercules said:

Yes I did but just thought "sod it!" and joined anyway!

KMC does have a few good qualities. Some of the members are really cool, you just have to weed out the bad eggs.

Agreed, Digi's hands are tied a lot of the time.

Indeed there are, I need to spend more time on here and less on KMC!

KMC has it's place, but there are far too many self proclaimed "Best Debaters" on there.

It was one or the other, I haven't seen that sock around for weeks.

You didn't get to see the socks that C-master had following him.

They did indeed but once bitten and all that...



To be honest, so do I now, its got to a point where people are taking bets on how long the latest sock will last.







I think hes amusing, some of the stuff he says makes me laugh out loud, it always seems to be the same people who respond to him too, some people never learn!

That is how I look at it. It is funny to read, and I have no idea why anyone responds to him. If they really wanted him to leave, they should just ignore him.

I haven't been on KMC long and even I can spot the signs that its him now! lol



Well I wouldn't have bothered normaly but he was getting a little out of hand, with certain comments he was making, I'm sure I wasn't the only one that reported him either!

You probably weren't.

Yes! I was told just the other week that Spiderman dazing Masterson Thor was me getting Thor mixed up with Thunderstrike who was Pro Reg during Civil war!

Till I pointed out Eric Masterson died way before civil war and told them I was talking about when Masterson replaced Thor and gave the issues.

I am sure that you have heard the old saying-

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with bullshit.

It is, I think some members may need to look up the word "debate" in the dictionary.

To them, debating seems to mean bashing anyone with a different viewpoint than theirs.

Damn owned again or to use the KMC terminology "PWNED!!!111" Ahh well, one day maybe I can be up there with the hallowed names of KMC.

Till then, I will continue to get owned! ;D

Nah, you seem to be well spoken and knowledgeable. They are just being childish, like I am.

Yes, people on KMC travel in packs, to be fair, I am a member of what called be called a pack too, so can't comment lol



I worked hard for everything I have but yeah luck definetly played a part, not everyone is so lucky.

We only need to look to a simple Samuel Goldwyn quote - The harder I work, the luckier I get.

I think it comes with age, I am very competitive and like to win but at the same time, I can accept losing.

Wasn't always so though!

I had a similar problem. I hated to lose.

But then I matured a bit and I learned that I can't always win, but if I learn from my mistakes... I will most likely win the next time. Rather than piss and moan about things like most of the kids.


But that just comes with age, I guess.

We all are to some extent, we all want everyone to look at us, if we didn't, we wouldn't be on places like this I guess.

Still its harmless and amusing, so its all good.

Agreed.

This is very true! or "keyboard warriors" as I like to call them!

I like that. I may use that in the future, I will be sure to credit you.

Ahh the fatal flaw in my final sentence! ;D

It is an easier topic to discuss with the younger generation. Most of them don't know what life is like outside their local hometown.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

shakezula said:

hercules said:

Yes I did but just thought "sod it!" and joined anyway!

KMC does have a few good qualities. Some of the members are really cool, you just have to weed out the bad eggs.













KMC has it's place, but there are far too many self proclaimed "Best Debaters" on there.





You didn't get to see the socks that C-master had following him.





That is how I look at it. It is funny to read, and I have no idea why anyone responds to him. If they really wanted him to leave, they should just ignore him.






You probably weren't.







I am sure that you have heard the old saying-

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with bullshit.






To them, debating seems to mean bashing anyone with a different viewpoint than theirs.





Nah, you seem to be well spoken and knowledgeable. They are just being childish, like I am.





We only need to look to a simple Samuel Goldwyn quote - The harder I work, the luckier I get.





I had a similar problem. I hated to lose.

But then I matured a bit and I learned that I can't always win, but if I learn from my mistakes... I will most likely win the next time. Rather than piss and moan about things like most of the kids.


But that just comes with age, I guess.






Agreed.





I like that. I may use that in the future, I will be sure to credit you.

Ahh the fatal flaw in my final sentence! ;D

It is an easier topic to discuss with the younger generation. Most of them don't know what life is like outside their local hometown.

Definitely good to mature and realize you don't always have to have the last word and all, saves lots of typing for you in the long run. But if anyone is interested in those "Ihatecmaster" threads they can ask and I'll deliver.

[Psyquis52]

This is a hard section to read. I don't go to KMC but to talk to the few friends I have on there. Most people consider me to be some kind of harmless idiot. I just come on there to say something funny once in a while but I don't really know much about comics.

What they forget is that I'm the guy that got to the finals in a debate tournament with a character nobody knew anything about. I couldn't show scans or anything but they had to let me keep going because I debated it so well and in such good spirits.

Which is stupid because any idiot knows that The Ray cannot beat or even stall Quasar!

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

psyquis52 said:

This is a hard section to read. I don't go to KMC but to talk to the few friends I have on there. Most people consider me to be some kind of harmless idiot. I just come on there to say something funny once in a while but I don't really know much about comics.

What they forget is that I'm the guy that got to the finals in a debate tournament with a character nobody knew anything about. I couldn't show scans or anything but they had to let me keep going because I debated it so well and in such good spirits.

Which is stupid because any idiot knows that The Ray cannot beat or even stall Quasar!

I didn't think of you as an idiot there, you are just too peaceful and people see it as a weakness. You should be more of a jerk.

Honestly I don't think "if I post more scans, I win", because that's stupid. I just hate when people ask for proof and never bring it, or say they are going to/did, and lie and say I missed it.

[alfheim]

I cant take KMC anymore. Anyway I reported Capt now...but I dont think anybody is going to do anything. This might be the last straw.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

alfheim said:

I cant take KMC anymore. Anyway I reported Capt now...but I dont think anybody is going to do anything. This might be the last straw.

They won't, but why'd you report him?

[alfheim]

admin said:

They won't, but why'd you report him?

1. He came to the Captain Amerca respect thread and made fun of me.

Originally posted by capt it up
alfheim if you want later if I have time I help you with the capt vs slade debate

2. He started a spite thread because I thought frank castle was a top tier MA, and its not me overeacting Rick Genis pointed this out as well.

3. Being rude and annoying in general like accusing me of being a liar

After a while he was just getting on my nerves too much.

Anyway looks like I wont be leaving KMC, besides ive actually made some progress with some guy I was debating with. He started off calling me a fanboy but after I produced the goods hes starting to come around to what im saying.....which is what the others would have done if they bothered to stick around to debate with me properly.

[Magic attack]

alfheim said:

1. He came to the Captain Amerca respect thread and made fun of me.

He probably does this to try and fit in. He probably figures that if he is making fun of you, then maybe everyone will not make fun of him.

Originally posted by capt it up
alfheim if you want later if I have time I help you with the capt vs slade debate

That is silly, anyone that needs help from him in a debate has already lost.

2. He started a spite thread because I thought frank castle was a top tier MA, and its not me overeacting Rick Genis pointed this out as well.

I would suppose that Punisher probably is one of the better martial artists in the MU. He wouldn't be top 10, IMHO, but he is much better than average. But rather than try and discuss it with you, he makes a silly spite thread? Hopefully one day he will grow up.

3. Being rude and annoying in general like accusing me of being a liar

That reminds me of the pot and the kettle.

After a while he was just getting on my nerves too much.

That is normal, but all you have to do is prove your points. Catch him in a few lies, you saw what he did here.

Anyway looks like I wont be leaving KMC, besides ive actually made some progress with some guy I was debating with. He started off calling me a fanboy but after I produced the goods hes starting to come around to what im saying.....which is what the others would have done if they bothered to stick around to debate with me properly.

There is a lack of good debaters on KMC, and there are hardly any at all in the Comic Book threads. There are lots of self-proclaimed good debaters, and a lot of back-patters. But not many actual good debaters.

[warmunger]

Sorry if I seem a bit rude and wrong for this but...The Game VS Forum is O.K. but the rest of KMC is fulla ass holes.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

warmunger said:

Sorry if I seem a bit rude and wrong for this but...The Game VS Forum is O.K. but the rest of KMC is fulla ass holes.

I enjoy the traffic and all, but the debating tactics tend to be crap there, look at how they insult and everything, it's improper. (even if a bit funny.)