What If Life Is really A Dream?

[alfheim]

admin said:

Well that depends on if you're filling it or drinking it.

Well this is what I think, regardless of wether you're filling it or emptying it, the glass can be both half full or half empty. It just depends on your perspective.

[warmunger]

It can be but I just say "It depends on if your filling it or drinking it" just to be an ass hole. And well IMO, it would make more sense to ask that question.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Because if you are emptying it you are making it empty, and vice versa.

[warmunger]

That's what I thought too. But some may think your thinking to far into it, like your trying to avoid answering the question.

[alfheim]

Yeah but if you are emptying it, its half empty but it can be still be half full. Lets put it this way....if you are emptying the glass and somebody said that the glass was still half full is it an incorrect statement?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

alfheim said:

Yeah but if you are emptying it, its half empty but it can be still be half full. Lets put it this way....if you are emptying the glass and somebody said that the glass was still half full is it an incorrect statement?

That's because that's how most people talk, so we accept it regardless. If I'm emptying it, it would be halfway empty, and if I'm filling it, it would be halfway full.

No different than alot of ambiguity in language.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

warmunger said:

That's what I thought too. But some may think your thinking to far into it, like your trying to avoid answering the question.

Perhaps.

[alfheim]

admin said:

alfheim said:

Yeah but if you are emptying it, its half empty but it can be still be half full. Lets put it this way....if you are emptying the glass and somebody said that the glass was still half full is it an incorrect statement?

That's because that's how most people talk, so we accept it regardless. If I'm emptying it, it would be halfway empty, and if I'm filling it, it would be halfway full.

No different than alot of ambiguity in language.

Yeah but the statements is still not incorrect its just a different way of saying it. The statement that it is ambigous is just a subjective view. For example if you were filling up a barrel and somebody hated the job you could expect that person to say that it is still half empty. That statement is not incorrect.

Also if you didnt know wether the barrel was being emptied or filled up would it be half full or half empty?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

alfheim said:

admin said:

That's because that's how most people talk, so we accept it regardless. If I'm emptying it, it would be halfway empty, and if I'm filling it, it would be halfway full.

No different than alot of ambiguity in language.

Yeah but the statements is still not incorrect its just a different way of saying it. The statement that it is ambigous is just a subjective view. For example if you were filling up a barrel and somebody hated the job you could expect that person to say that it is still half empty. That statement is not incorrect.

Also if you didnt know wether the barrel was being emptied or filled up would it be half full or half empty?

Exactly, it's a matter of perception, but if I am filling it up it would be half full, always.

If I didn't know it could be either though, but it would most likely be evaporating and therefore emptying.

[alfheim]

admin said:

Exactly, it's a matter of perception,

Ok you're agreeing with me....I think.

admin said:

but if I am filling it up it would be half full, always.

To you. If you hated the job it could be "Awwwww man its half empty!" Anyway I get you'e point.

admin said:

If I didn't know it could be either though, but it would most likely be evaporating and therefore emptying.

Doesnt that depend on the envinronment and liquid? For example in a hot country it would evaporate. Depending on what the liquid is and the envinronment a liquid could stay around the same level until "God knows when." For example people can keep food inside tins for decades and the substance would stll be good to consume.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

That is true, but in that container you wouldn't see the contents. And when you are consuming something it'd be half empty.

Think of it as you open some cereal, and you ate half the box, you'd generally say the box is half empty.

If you were filling a gas can or something, you'd say it was half full usually, that was my point.

[alfheim]

admin said:

That is true, but in that container you wouldn't see the contents.

Yeah but there are ways of finding out without opening the container.

admin said:

And when you are consuming something it'd be half empty.

Think of it as you open some cereal, and you ate half the box, you'd generally say the box is half empty.

If you were filling a gas can or something, you'd say it was half full usually, that was my point.

Yeah I understand.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

alfheim said:

admin said:

That is true, but in that container you wouldn't see the contents.

Yeah but there are ways of finding out without opening the container.

admin said:

And when you are consuming something it'd be half empty.

Think of it as you open some cereal, and you ate half the box, you'd generally say the box is half empty.

If you were filling a gas can or something, you'd say it was half full usually, that was my point.

Yeah I understand.

What I mean is you wouldn't be able to see through the container itself.

[alfheim]

Yeah I know......

Nevermind

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

alfheim said:

Yeah I know......

Nevermind

[EsteemedLeader©]

I was thinking about this the other day.

Now, at first you'd think that the guy who drank half would call it half empty, because he lost half. And you'd think the guy who has his glass filled halfway would call it half full, because he gained half.

But...

The guy who drank half, well, he still has half a glass. So, having drank half a glass and still having half to go, he had a whole glass. The guy who had his glass filled halfway, well, he hasn't had a drink yet and can only look forward to half a glass. So the first guy is probably the happier one, since he has partially quenched his thirst and still possesses half a glass, therefore given his mood he may be the optimistic one and consider his glass half full despite having used half. The second guy may be discontent with his total amount and be the pessimistic one and consider his glass half empty despite having gained half a glass.

Now, in the case of a spill... j/k

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

esteemedleader said:

I was thinking about this the other day.

Now, at first you'd think that the guy who drank half would call it half empty, because he lost half. And you'd think the guy who has his glass filled halfway would call it half full, because he gained half.

But...

The guy who drank half, well, he still has half a glass. So, having drank half a glass and still having half to go, he had a whole glass. The guy who had his glass filled halfway, well, he hasn't had a drink yet and can only look forward to half a glass. So the first guy is probably the happier one, since he has partially quenched his thirst and still possesses half a glass, therefore given his mood he may be the optimistic one and consider his glass half full despite having used half. The second guy may be discontent with his total amount and be the pessimistic one and consider his glass half empty despite having gained half a glass.

Now, in the case of a spill... j/k

Well the one who hasn't had a drink might not want a full glass in the first place, or would say "full" as a polite way to want more.

[Dja Majista]

esteemedleader said:

I was thinking about this the other day.

Now, at first you'd think that the guy who drank half would call it half empty, because he lost half. And you'd think the guy who has his glass filled halfway would call it half full, because he gained half.

But...

The guy who drank half, well, he still has half a glass. So, having drank half a glass and still having half to go, he had a whole glass. The guy who had his glass filled halfway, well, he hasn't had a drink yet and can only look forward to half a glass. So the first guy is probably the happier one, since he has partially quenched his thirst and still possesses half a glass, therefore given his mood he may be the optimistic one and consider his glass half full despite having used half. The second guy may be discontent with his total amount and be the pessimistic one and consider his glass half empty despite having gained half a glass.

Now, in the case of a spill... j/k

my line of thinking is that the only reason the guy starting with half a glass would be pessimistic about it would be if he knew the other guy started with a full glass, so he's got nothing to be jealous about. personally I'd be more excited about my first gulp of water than my second because the first drink is always the most refreshing. In that case the guy with half a glass to start would be even more optimistic given that he doesn't know someone else has had more.

sorry if this is completely tangential to the main point, I haven't been reading up to now very carefully.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

damasta said:

esteemedleader said:

I was thinking about this the other day.

Now, at first you'd think that the guy who drank half would call it half empty, because he lost half. And you'd think the guy who has his glass filled halfway would call it half full, because he gained half.

But...

The guy who drank half, well, he still has half a glass. So, having drank half a glass and still having half to go, he had a whole glass. The guy who had his glass filled halfway, well, he hasn't had a drink yet and can only look forward to half a glass. So the first guy is probably the happier one, since he has partially quenched his thirst and still possesses half a glass, therefore given his mood he may be the optimistic one and consider his glass half full despite having used half. The second guy may be discontent with his total amount and be the pessimistic one and consider his glass half empty despite having gained half a glass.

Now, in the case of a spill... j/k

my line of thinking is that the only reason the guy starting with half a glass would be pessimistic about it would be if he knew the other guy started with a full glass, so he's got nothing to be jealous about. personally I'd be more excited about my first gulp of water than my second because the first drink is always the most refreshing. In that case the guy with half a glass to start would be even more optimistic given that he doesn't know someone else has had more.

sorry if this is completely tangential to the main point, I haven't been reading up to now very carefully.

Hmm, but most would want a full glass in the first place to be refreshed the most, unless they just weren't that thirsty.

[Dja Majista]

admin said:

damasta said:

my line of thinking is that the only reason the guy starting with half a glass would be pessimistic about it would be if he knew the other guy started with a full glass, so he's got nothing to be jealous about. personally I'd be more excited about my first gulp of water than my second because the first drink is always the most refreshing. In that case the guy with half a glass to start would be even more optimistic given that he doesn't know someone else has had more.

sorry if this is completely tangential to the main point, I haven't been reading up to now very carefully.

Hmm, but most would want a full glass in the first place to be refreshed the most, unless they just weren't that thirsty.

If I'm thirsty, wheather its a half or full glass doesn't matter. either way it's water in a glass.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

damasta said:

admin said:

Hmm, but most would want a full glass in the first place to be refreshed the most, unless they just weren't that thirsty.

If I'm thirsty, wheather its a half or full glass doesn't matter. either way it's water in a glass.

But you still want to be fully refreshed although you will take either, there will still be one you'll desire one.

[Dja Majista]

admin said:

damasta said:

If I'm thirsty, wheather its a half or full glass doesn't matter. either way it's water in a glass.

But you still want to be fully refreshed although you will take either, there will still be one you'll desire one.

you mean "one you'll desire more?" yeah, that's true if both are presented to you. But if all you see is the half full cup, then that's what you will desire the most in your reality.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

damasta said:

admin said:

But you still want to be fully refreshed although you will take either, there will still be one you'll desire one.

you mean "one you'll desire more?" yeah, that's true if both are presented to you. But if all you see is the half full cup, then that's what you will desire the most in your reality.

Nah, you would most likely still want more from human nature. There would always be the "there's more out there". So the comparison is understandable but not completely parallel.

[Dja Majista]

admin said:

damasta said:

you mean "one you'll desire more?" yeah, that's true if both are presented to you. But if all you see is the half full cup, then that's what you will desire the most in your reality.

Nah, you would most likely still want more from human nature. There would always be the "there's more out there". So the comparison is understandable but not completely parallel.

Ok so by that logic, there would be a degree of pessimism in every circumstance. Even if the glass is full, it could be a bigger glass.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

damasta said:

admin said:

Nah, you would most likely still want more from human nature. There would always be the "there's more out there". So the comparison is understandable but not completely parallel.

Ok so by that logic, there would be a degree of pessimism in every circumstance. Even if the glass is full, it could be a bigger glass.

Well it doesn't matter how big the glass is, just how full it is.

General emotion and opinion aside. Generally filling something leads to the opinion that it's full, and vice versa.

I could be pessimistic/depressed and still use full, it just depends on what the "glass" is full of. Since it doesn't always have to be beverage.

[Dja Majista]

admin said:

damasta said:

Ok so by that logic, there would be a degree of pessimism in every circumstance. Even if the glass is full, it could be a bigger glass.

Well it doesn't matter how big the glass is, just how full it is.

General emotion and opinion aside. Generally filling something leads to the opinion that it's full, and vice versa.

I could be pessimistic/depressed and still use full, it just depends on what the "glass" is full of. Since it doesn't always have to be beverage.

Ah I understand then. And please don't continue from that last sentence.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

damasta said:

admin said:

Well it doesn't matter how big the glass is, just how full it is.

General emotion and opinion aside. Generally filling something leads to the opinion that it's full, and vice versa.

I could be pessimistic/depressed and still use full, it just depends on what the "glass" is full of. Since it doesn't always have to be beverage.

Ah I understand then. And please don't continue from that last sentence.

What are you getting at perv?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

damasta said:

admin said:

Well it doesn't matter how big the glass is, just how full it is.

General emotion and opinion aside. Generally filling something leads to the opinion that it's full, and vice versa.

I could be pessimistic/depressed and still use full, it just depends on what the "glass" is full of. Since it doesn't always have to be beverage.

Ah I understand then. And please don't continue from that last sentence.

What are you getting at perv?

[Dja Majista]

Does anyone remember why we were talking about "the glass is half empty/half full?" I'm trying to find where it ties in to the topic.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

A matter of perception I belive.