Does God exist?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

psyquis52 said:

EsteemedLeader you are not going to figure out questions like that.

It comes down to one of two things. Either A.) We're right and you'll wish you listened to us or B.) We're wrong and we still would have lived a good life.

Yea, that was an exercise in semantics.

[EsteemedLeader©]

Well, you're definitely wrong. And you may still lead a good life, but you know what...

In the end, I'll be right, and you'll be idiots. That's all that matters to me.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

esteemedleader said:

Well, you're definitely wrong. And you may still lead a good life, but you know what...

In the end, I'll be right, and you'll be idiots. That's all that matters to me.

It looks like the joke is on you this time, since you have no proof, disproof, or anything else to prove whether or not you're correct. Just a bunch of theories that sound more farfetched than anything I've heard of, yet Atheists criticize religious types. Based on my experiences, and not actually trying to sound indifferent behind a computer, I'm definitely going to say that it's most likely that you'll be wrong. And at the same time live a less fufilling life than I will no matter what challenges I go through. Religion or not I still have a better outlook on things. Having faith in something doesn't show a lack of intelligence, but a sign of enlightenment really. This looks to me like frustration on the behalf of the other side for not coming up with anything convincing other than "You are all idiots, and we are correct". But my life is basically based off of, "treat people how you want to be treated", religion or not. And that's what being Christian is all about for the most part.

[Psyquis52]

esteemedleader said:

Well, you're definitely wrong. And you may still lead a good life, but you know what...

In the end, I'll be right, and you'll be idiots. That's all that matters to me.

Oh for crying out loud. Now you're just being petty.

You don't want to believe? Fine. But don't you look down on anyone else because they decide to. I don't call you an idiot for not believing. Why would you call me one for believing? Does it make your point more pertinant? I don't think so. It's trivial and unnecessary. Also it makes your arguement look weak. Although it wouldn't take much because so far all your arguement has been is: "Where's your proof? What proof do you have?"

I could tell you stories about raising the dead, obvious injuries healing on the spot and leprosy being cured within the last two years. I could show you documentation from doctors if I really, really tried but frankly I don't think you would believe even IF I showed you those things. Why? Because in the old testament days God parted the Red Sea and lead the people as a pillar of fire and they still didn't believe in God at times. A lot of times. They turned on God on a regular basis. Do you know why?

[Dja Majista]

esteemedleader said:

Well, you're definitely wrong. And you may still lead a good life, but you know what...

In the end, I'll be right, and you'll be idiots. That's all that matters to me.

...before you say anything I know it may look like we're ganging on you but we're not. I just want to get this in.
For both Christians and Atheists alike, there is something that stimulates them to have heated arguments. Until now the discussion would have probably been considered boring by many until it started to become more agressive. Thus the focus becomes who is right instead of what is... Usually this happens when one side fails or refuses to understand the other side's perspective.
Atheists and Christians alike are guilty of this. And this trait is exactly what distinguishes the weak from the strong.
In an argument, there are weak atheists and strong atheists just as there are weak and strong Christians.
A weak Christian might thrive on arguments that let them tell atheists they are all going to hell or something along those lines. Their reason for arguing is to be right, not to objectively discuss what is true and what isn't. They refuse to recognize that it can be difficult to believe in something you can't see, even in the face of reason. On the other hand, a strong Christian does possess this understanding, and is aware of all the arguments against God's existence, accepting them as credible. Instead of seeing it as an opportunity to be right, they approach an argument as a collective effort to find the truth.
A weak atheist fails or refuses to understand that a belief in God's existence is a very reasonable conclusion to arrive at. They mark off all Christians as stupid and gullible for believing what is clearly just a big lie. These atheists mark the bible off as false simply because they say it is impossible for there to be a God. But most weak atheists don't know about the inconcievable amount of time spent by the scribes to make sure the text was completely accurate. Most of them don't know that the walls of Jerhico can be found today, collapsed inward. Most don't know about the smouldering pile of infertile ground where Sodom and Gamorrah used to be. Most don't even know that the bible at one point refers to the earth as round. The list goes on... A strong atheist, however, recognizes Christianity as a very reasonable belief. Why is this? A strong atheist is competent. A strong atheist is not overcome by an ego that allows him to think half the world is stupid and he is not. A strong atheist reads the same bible the Christian reads. A strong atheist puts aside personal and subjective feelings for the sake of the argument. And most importantly, a strong atheist approaches the argument with an intent to discuss what is true, maintaining objectivity throughout.
The biggest thing the strong have over the weak is objectivity and broader perspective. I don't need to explain that these two yield a lot of leverage in an argument.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

damasta said:

esteemedleader said:

Well, you're definitely wrong. And you may still lead a good life, but you know what...

In the end, I'll be right, and you'll be idiots. That's all that matters to me.

...before you say anything I know it may look like we're ganging on you but we're not. I just want to get this in.
For both Christians and Atheists alike, there is something that stimulates them to have heated arguments. Until now the discussion would have probably been considered boring by many until it started to become more agressive. Thus the focus becomes who is right instead of what is... Usually this happens when one side fails or refuses to understand the other side's perspective.
Atheists and Christians alike are guilty of this. And this trait is exactly what distinguishes the weak from the strong.
In an argument, there are weak atheists and strong atheists just as there are weak and strong Christians.
A weak Christian might thrive on arguments that let them tell atheists they are all going to hell or something along those lines. Their reason for arguing is to be right, not to objectively discuss what is true and what isn't. They refuse to recognize that it can be difficult to believe in something you can't see, even in the face of reason. On the other hand, a strong Christian does possess this understanding, and is aware of all the arguments against God's existence, accepting them as credible. Instead of seeing it as an opportunity to be right, they approach an argument as a collective effort to find the truth.
A weak atheist fails or refuses to understand that a belief in God's existence is a very reasonable conclusion to arrive at. They mark off all Christians as stupid and gullible for believing what is clearly just a big lie. These atheists mark the bible off as false simply because they say it is impossible for there to be a God. But most weak atheists don't know about the inconcievable amount of time spent by the scribes to make sure the text was completely accurate. Most of them don't know that the walls of Jerhico can be found today, collapsed inward. Most don't know about the smouldering pile of infertile ground where Sodom and Gamorrah used to be. Most don't even know that the bible at one point refers to the earth as round. The list goes on... A strong atheist, however, recognizes Christianity as a very reasonable belief. Why is this? A strong atheist is competent. A strong atheist is not overcome by an ego that allows him to think half the world is stupid and he is not. A strong atheist reads the same bible the Christian reads. A strong atheist puts aside personal and subjective feelings for the sake of the argument. And most importantly, a strong atheist approaches the argument with an intent to discuss what is true, maintaining objectivity throughout.
The biggest thing the strong have over the weak is objectivity and broader perspective. I don't need to explain that these two yield a lot of leverage in an argument.

That is a very good point. Alot of both sides are as bad, I don't simply fault atheists without faulting Christians, especially first. It's the same thing with pro-lifers and pro-abortion, they all have some valid points, but I don't just ssay one side is stupid. There will always be people who see things a bit differently than others, but that doesn't make them stupid, or wrong. The worst way to enter a discussion , is to go without an intent to just argue.

[Psyquis52]

I'm just in a poopy mood because I worked 13 hours yesterday.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

psyquis52 said:

I'm just in a poopy mood because I worked 13 hours yesterday.

Don't feel bad, you still have the coolest wife in the world.

[Psyquis52]

HAH!!! YES! #pumpfist#

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

psyquis52 said:

HAH!!! YES! #pumpfist#

Don't rub it in.

[Psyquis52]

sorry

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Just kidding.

[Psyquis52]

I knew you were.

[warmunger]

If God really does exist, which I truly believe he does, what does that mean for science and all of the worlds development?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

warmunger said:

If God really does exist, which I truly believe he does, what does that mean for science and all of the worlds development?

There wasn't a saying in science that said there couldn't be a God, and science in itself is simply the wanting to gain more of the worlds knowledge, so they are safe.

[Psyquis52]

Einstein was one heck of a scientist and he said that his purpose was just to get to understand God's thoughts better.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

psyquis52 said:

Einstein was one heck of a scientist and he said that his purpose was just to get to understand God's thoughts better.

He understood me just fine... usually.

Sorry, I couldn't resist an early morning joke.

[warmunger]

admin said:

warmunger said:

If God really does exist, which I truly believe he does, what does that mean for science and all of the worlds development?

There wasn't a saying in science that said there couldn't be a God, and science in itself is simply the wanting to gain more of the worlds knowledge, so they are safe.

Yeah, but most science is based from the belief that there is no God. If there is does that mean every thing the world has learned and made from the contributions of a none God science be wrong?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

warmunger said:

admin said:

There wasn't a saying in science that said there couldn't be a God, and science in itself is simply the wanting to gain more of the worlds knowledge, so they are safe.

Yeah, but most science is based from the belief that there is no God. If there is does that mean every thing the world has learned and made from the contributions of a none God science be wrong?

Well it's more geared towards humans learning as much as they can about their own world and conquering it. Which is what we're supposed to do, rule our world. But some make science the end all and be all, which isn't true. It's as limited as we are.

[Psyquis52]

Yeah, well if Einstein is considered to be one of the greatest minds of all time and he was thinking like that then what does that say of our scientists?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

psyquis52 said:

Yeah, well if Einstein is considered to be one of the greatest minds of all time and he was thinking like that then what does that say of our scientists?

They are either stupid, or most of them are religious anyways.

[Psyquis52]

We just called scientists stupid.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

psyquis52 said:

We just called scientists stupid.

Hey they can be too...

[Psyquis52]

Oh yeah! You better believe it. I mean look at Pluto.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

psyquis52 said:

Oh yeah! You better believe it. I mean look at Pluto.

You just really like that planet don't you?

[EsteemedLeader©]

A strong atheist, however, recognizes Christianity as a very reasonable belief

But it isn't a very reasonable belief. I look at it, and all I see is crap.

Christianity is heavily based on suspension of disbelief. There are many, many, simple inconsistancies that obviously point to falsehood.

Just think of simple anatomy. Why do angels look like a hybrid of human and bird if neither existed yet? Why did Adam have nipples and a penis?

If the Earth was created in seven days, then why were there mountains? Why would an omnipotent being need a day of rest? If Jesus was the savior, who did he save? Why did he die? Why would he come back?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

But it isn't a very reasonable belief. I look at it, and all I see is crap.

And you aren't really being reasonable at all. Keep in mind there is nothing wrong with questioning and having doubts, because you aren't simply supposed to accept everything, but calling it stupid shows closed mindedness, there aren't many things more dangerous than a closed mind.

Christianity is heavily based on suspension of disbelief. There are many, many, simple inconsistancies that obviously point to falsehood.

It's heavily based on faith. There are many things that point to what is said as being true.

Just think of simple anatomy. Why do angels look like a hybrid of human and bird if neither existed yet? Why did Adam have nipples and a penis?

There is no singular way an angel is defined, there is no way a demon is defined, that is just the way culture has accepted them.

Man was built in the image of God.

If the Earth was created in seven days, then why were there mountains? Why would an omnipotent being need a day of rest? If Jesus was the savior, who did he save? Why did he die? Why would he come back?

And how is all of this better than the Big Bang Theory? God rested on the seventh day and built no more. Jesus was sent to save mankind, and actually existed. But I'm not going to spoonfeed you common answers as most of this is common knowledge, why should I put forth effort you don't want to put forth?

[EsteemedLeader©]

Man was built in the image of God.

Then why does God have nipples and a penis? And didn't you say earlier that God looks like whatever he wants to? So how could man be made in his image?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

esteemedleader said:

Man was built in the image of God.

Then why does God have nipples and a penis? And didn't you say earlier that God looks like whatever he wants to? So how could man be made in his image?

That is a relatively good question. God is infinite and infinitely incomprehensible. We know that man was made in the image of him, and that man walks upright and looks distinctively different and was put here to rule. As far as nipples and a penis, it never said whether or not God would need those, but we do know that man was equipped as well as woman to reproduce in the world. Anyone feel free to offer their knowledge on this topic as well, because it leads to many other points.

Now, can I ask you why the Big Bang Theory is logical?

[Psyquis52]

My turn.

esteemedleader said:

But it isn't a very reasonable belief. I look at it, and all I see is crap.

But you don't even really know the belief.

esteemedleader said:

Christianity is heavily based on suspension of disbelief. There are many, many, simple inconsistancies that obviously point to falsehood.

obviously You are clearly going off of hearsay.

esteemedleader said:

Just think of simple anatomy. Why do angels look like a hybrid of human and bird if neither existed yet? Why did Adam have nipples and a penis?

Angels don't actually look like humans at all. I would describe them but you wouldn't understand. They can take a human form however. None of that matters however. As for the nipples and penis: If you haven't yet discovered what your penis is for then I think you have some serious issues to work out.

esteemedleader said:

If the Earth was created in seven days, then why were there mountains? Why would an omnipotent being need a day of rest? If Jesus was the savior, who did he save? Why did he die? Why would he come back?

Questioning mountains huh? That sounds pretty odd. God is an artist. I mean look at a tree. If He put that much detail into something as simple as a tree why wouldn't He with the whole planet? But I think I see where you're going with this. You are wondering about all the build-up and obvious signs of wear.
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The FLOOD anyone? Remember? Noah? Big-Ark?