George Bush

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

What is everyone's thoughts on our current American President?

[Psyquis52]

This is great.

And just like that I'm 100% shunned from this forum.

I support him.
I think he does a good job.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

No problem at all? That's a first... #wc#

[Badabing]

I'm a registered independent and not a hyper partisan. I'm more of a Traditionalist than Rep or Dem. I have respect for the President regardless of who is in office. I wasn't totally for the war in Iraq but I do support the President and our Armed Forces.

[Psyquis52]

badabing said:

I'm a registered independent and not a hyper partisan. I'm more of a Traditionalist than Rep or Dem. I have respect for the President regardless of who is in office. I wasn't totally for the war in Iraq but I do support the President and our Armed Forces.

That's a general statement that I can agree with 100%

[newjak]

Yeah I voted for him.

Am I completely happy with everything he has done no but aside from all the bashing bith sides have been doing I don't think it has been that bad.

[aaronj]

psyquis52 said:

This is great.

And just like that I'm 100% shunned from this forum.

I support him.
I think he does a good job.

I hate you. In fact i hate you all !!!

He is a lier and so is the government. All should be shot.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Ok I don't absolutely hate him, but I definitely have some issues with what he's been doing, on a scale from one to ten I give him a 5 or 6, not horrid, but Clinton was better.

[aaronj]

Clinton is funny. I saw a video of him that eh made, with what he was doing after he got taken from office, hilarious.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

aaronj said:

Clinton is funny. I saw a video of him that eh made, with what he was doing after he got taken from office, hilarious.

And what was that?

[EsteemedLeader©]

I think people should stop giving into the half-truths about our president. And that's all I have to say.

He is a lier and so is the government.

And you should be damn proud of it. Look at all the good that has come out of government corruption.

[Psyquis52]

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I hate you. In fact i hate you all !!!

He is a lier and so is the government. All should be shot.[/quote]
If the only reason you dislike him is because of lies then you probably don't like 90% of our government.

But I'm curious. What lies do you have a problem with? Just a question.

[Sub_Mariner]

I'm English and mean no offense here.

But some Americans should shut the fuck up whining about him, if so many people in the country dislike him, DO NOT VOTE FOR HIM.

He gets voted in again and then they all cry about it.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

thekid1 said:

I'm English and mean no offense here.

But some Americans should shut the fuck up whining about him, if so many people in the country dislike him, DO NOT VOTE FOR HIM.

He gets voted in again and then they all cry about it.

lol I am still wondering how he pulled off getting into office this time...

[tshern]

I dislike him a lot. It's not only because of him though, it's about the American system and how the USA has been the first country to put the world into the order it is know. I keenly study economics and history and most of the current problems I face while reading originate from the actions of American politicians (So I'm so not blaming the people. There are bad apples in every basket.).

He has done his mistakes, but everyone does them, right? But still, I don't like him at all, but it is all because of the system he represents, not because of his personal values or actions. I could write you a rant as long as a novel about the World Bank, IMF and crappy American policies, but I suppose this is not the thread for it.

And hopefully I didn't insult or hurt any of you. That's just my opinion and if someone wants to debate over it, feel free, I don't mind at all. Actually, I love changing ideas with people, there's so much to learn out there.

[newjak]

tshern said:

I dislike him a lot. It's not only because of him though, it's about the American system and how the USA has been the first country to put the world into the order it is know. I keenly study economics and history and most of the current problems I face while reading originate from the actions of American politicians (So I'm so not blaming the people. There are bad apples in every basket.).

He has done his mistakes, but everyone does them, right? But still, I don't like him at all, but it is all because of the system he represents, not because of his personal values or actions. I could write you a rant as long as a novel about the World Bank, IMF and crappy American policies, but I suppose this is not the thread for it.

And hopefully I didn't insult or hurt any of you. That's just my opinion and if someone wants to debate over it, feel free, I don't mind at all. Actually, I love changing ideas with people, there's so much to learn out there.

No understand what you mean but the problem with everything is that America always has to seem like its doing something for the world.

It's a doule-edged sword for the USA. If we don't do anything then we seem like we are just fat lazy people who want to keep everything for themselves and don't care about the rest of the World.

If we do then we are bullies trying to get everything we want by throwing money around and people want us to butt out of other people's countries.

[Psyquis52]

Bah!

I don't care anymore. The guy's our President.
That's all there is to it.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

psyquis52 said:

Bah!

I don't care anymore. The guy's our President.
That's all there is to it.

Honestly he doesn't bother me too much being in office, it's not something I pout about, but I wouldn't vote for him is all I'm saying.

[tshern]

newjak said:

No understand what you mean but the problem with everything is that America always has to seem like its doing something for the world.

It's a doule-edged sword for the USA. If we don't do anything then we seem like we are just fat lazy people who want to keep everything for themselves and don't care about the rest of the World.

If we do then we are bullies trying to get everything we want by throwing money around and people want us to butt out of other people's countries.

I personally want the USA to keep HELPING other countries, but the thing is, it is not actually helping. You know debt crisis? Something that happened in the 1980's? I'll tell you a bit about debt crisis.

After establishing the World Bank (whose members are utter protection from the law in every UN country), the USA and UK started "helping" the poorer parts of the world. Mostly they told the poor regions to concentrate on exports. Well, after they loaned billions of dollars (most banks got tax reliefs because of the "unsure loans") to these poor countries, they actually dropped the prices of most commodities these countries were exporting.

The standards of living drop like a stone. The countries couldn't cope with their loans and asked for further help, which made the USA and UK rid all the countries of their natural resources and build their own factories there. Now the poor nations are simply paying the interest rates of the loans they received with the help of the American government, because they cannot afford paying anything else.

Meanwhile, something like 50% of your foreign aid goes to the "poor" countries like Egypt and Israel who build weapons with the money. That's one of the benefits of tied aid. The donators decide where the money is invested.

The loans given to the poor nations only represent approximately 5% of the money that the banks still have in form of loans. Yet, they are unwilling to forgive the countries that were utterly USED by the Americans and English regardless of the facts that there are REAL PEOPLE dying out there just becayse they are too damn greedy.

I can throw you a nice little example. In the late 1980's Philippines were ruled by a dictator (Marcos?) who wanted to get a nuclear powerplant to the country. Well, the Brits were willing to help in constructing a powerplant that was way outdated already back then. They started building it on a place that is in the intersection of three tectonic plates and thus is very vulnerable to earthquakes and to the eruptions of the two near by volcanoes. Suddenly, the price of building the plant increased four-fold. Oopsie?


Hope I didn't get too carried away there. I'm really not blaming you guys, or even the majority of your government. I'm after the World Bank and IMF, which are products of the diabolical minds of the American/British politicians...

[newjak]

No I understand what you mean I've never liked how we handled foreign money giving. The problem is that we give money without some kind of reasonable payback to the nations we should be getting the most back from while we front the poorer countries with that bill.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

One thing I wish to mention in a general statement is when America raises money for other countries in incidents, it isn't actually giving the money to them, rather it is pardoning a debt owed by them. Just thought I'd mention that.

[Dja Majista]

lol I am still wondering how he pulled off getting into office this time...

You'd be surprised at the silent majority, the people who hated him were the loudest. Not just in the media, but in all sorts of environments (workplace, classrooms, etc.). So everyone naturally got the idea that the nation had a big majority opposition to Bush.

I'm mostly rep but I wouldn't hesitate to vote dem, if I was not confident in the president. Seriously, the president's doing fine, and yes Clinton was better. He'd played the sax (i think), so yeah.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

damasta said:

lol I am still wondering how he pulled off getting into office this time...

You'd be surprised at the silent majority, the people who hated him were the loudest. Not just in the media, but in all sorts of environments (workplace, classrooms, etc.). So everyone naturally got the idea that the nation had a big majority opposition to Bush.

I'm mostly rep but I wouldn't hesitate to vote dem, if I was not confident in the president. Seriously, the president's doing fine, and yes Clinton was better. He'd played the sax (i think), so yeah.

True most don't have a problem with him seriously, but most just voted because he was republican. He isn't doing perfect, however, but you'd have to had grown up from a poorer standpoint to see why people don't like him in office that much. Most of the people in this area "Collins Hill" and surburban areas tend to like him. He's not absolutely mortifying, but some of his decisions aren't the best. Being a president is by no means an easy job though.

[Dja Majista]

I know what you're saying that Democrats put more focus on the wellbeing of the poor but don't think that republican presidents don't favor the poor. They target helping business growth to open more jobs. They want everyone to be employed... btw You already know I spent my first 9 years of life outside Collins hill area right? My family used to be kind of middle class, now I'd say we're upper middle.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

damasta said:

I know what you're saying that Democrats put more focus on the wellbeing of the poor but don't think that republican presidents don't favor the poor. They target helping business growth to open more jobs. They want everyone to be employed... btw You already know I spent my first 9 years of life outside Collins hill area right? My family used to be kind of middle class, now I'd say we're upper middle.

No I know you have, but I'm talking poor like Clarksdale where there is nothing ew there at all, except wal-mart. Nothing but old schools and everything since my parents and their parents... and crime. I'm talking about poor... I just used this area in general, not specifying you.

[Dja Majista]

I'm not taking any offense, I'm just saying...
Anyway you were in a lower class situation. I'm saying republicans favor lower class by providing jobs indirectly through business support. Democrats and republicans both try to help the lower class just in different ways. Personally, when I get voting rights, I'll be pretty much independant. The problem I have with democratic presidents is they legalize abortion without regulating it. And let's not even start with libertarians. ;D

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

damasta said:

I'm not taking any offense, I'm just saying...
Anyway you were in a lower class situation. I'm saying republicans favor lower class by providing jobs indirectly through business support. Democrats and republicans both try to help the lower class just in different ways. Personally, when I get voting rights, I'll be pretty much independant. The problem I have with democratic presidents is they legalize abortion without regulating it. And let's not even start with libertarians. ;D

I did say Collins hill and Subrubs... Republicans favor the highest percent of the nation and they give them tax cuts... that's why the unemployment rate was suddenly higher when Bush came in.

Abortion has so many black and white areas that you can't just get rid of it.

[Dja Majista]

Abortion has so many black and white areas that you can't just get rid of it.

true, it's too bad they can't just draw a line. There are times when it's necessary and times when it's not... I don't exactly support gay marriage either, but I also believe that it's not something the gov't should have control of. So I kind of float both ways... I definitely wouldn't say Bush is a bad president; and he isn't phenominal either, just average.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

damasta said:

Abortion has so many black and white areas that you can't just get rid of it.

true, it's too bad they can't just draw a line. There are times when it's necessary and times when it's not... I don't exactly support gay marriage either, but I also believe that it's not something the gov't should have control of. So I kind of float both ways... I definitely wouldn't say Bush is a bad president; and he isn't phenominal either, just average.

Who is a bad president in your eyes then?

[tshern]

damasta said:

I know what you're saying that Democrats put more focus on the wellbeing of the poor but don't think that republican presidents don't favor the poor. They target helping business growth to open more jobs. They want everyone to be employed... btw You already know I spent my first 9 years of life outside Collins hill area right? My family used to be kind of middle class, now I'd say we're upper middle.

Well put. You pretty much summed up my ideas too. Too bad it is impossible for everyone to be employed, at least under capitalistic world order. There will always be five kinds of unemployment. That is if you believe into the most popular and accepted economical theories, so it is not granted.

And yeah, Bill plays the sax...

Who is a bad president in your eyes then?

Lyndon B. Johnson.