Obama's Misstate of the Union

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Free community college? Don't they learn?

[JACK-2]

Waaaaay too much entitlements.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Feb 7, 2015 5:08:32 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Waaaaay too much entitlements.

Do they understand there's no such thing as free?

[JACK-2]

Feb 7, 2015 5:15:14 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Do they understand there's no such thing as free?

They don't care since they're not paying for it.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Feb 7, 2015 5:20:12 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Feb 7, 2015 5:15:14 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Do they understand there's no such thing as free?

They don't care since they're not paying for it.

They are in the form of inflation, less quality and service due to less competition, and a higher price for those reasons. They're just too dumb to understand like Juicebox and I were talking about.

[zerosd]

Eh, free community college is something other countries have toyed with, or even higher education than that, and it does not look to be a significant problem in the economists models and, I'll note, college in the US used to be *much* cheaper than it used to be. "Working your way through college" was something that used to be doable on a part-time job as the government covered about 90% of the tuition anyway. Nowadays the government does far less than it did back in the 60s, more like 30%, which is why there's a push for things like this.

The reason for it is pretty simple: The country is already paying out the nose in the form of so many of it's workers being crippled by college debt. Which lowers class mobility, and makes them have to take lower level jobs rather than the talents they spent their money on because, well, not much choice in the matter, and/or skip college all together which makes a less skilled workforce which is also bad for the economy as a whole long-term.


Making it possible to learn advanced skills without going into major debt would, of course, help the economy and the country, and 'free community college' would be one way of doing it, going back to the days of lower tuition by making the students handle less of the load another.


Sure, it costs money, but one has to analyze risk/return. A company that doesn't train it's employees will fall apart, and a country isn't much different. Education is one of those things that tends to pay for itself in the long run and then some.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Feb 8, 2015 0:19:26 GMT -5 zerosd said:

Eh, free community college is something other countries have toyed with, or even higher education than that, and it does not look to be a significant problem in the economists models and, I'll note, college in the US used to be *much* cheaper than it used to be. "Working your way through college" was something that used to be doable on a part-time job as the government covered about 90% of the tuition anyway. Nowadays the government does far less than it did back in the 60s, more like 30%, which is why there's a push for things like this.

The reason for it is pretty simple: The country is already paying out the nose in the form of so many of it's workers being crippled by college debt. Which lowers class mobility, and makes them have to take lower level jobs rather than the talents they spent their money on because, well, not much choice in the matter, and/or skip college all together which makes a less skilled workforce which is also bad for the economy as a whole long-term.


Making it possible to learn advanced skills without going into major debt would, of course, help the economy and the country, and 'free community college' would be one way of doing it, going back to the days of lower tuition by making the students handle less of the load another.


Sure, it costs money, but one has to analyze risk/return. A company that doesn't train it's employees will fall apart, and a country isn't much different. Education is one of those things that tends to pay for itself in the long run and then some.

The government never covered 90% of the tuition of everybody. In the past the vast majority of people never even went to college, many didn't even finish high school and they had a far higher standard of living than the average person does now in relation to the rest of the world.

There is no such thing as "free" because government subsidies lead to waste. The competitive aspect of pricing is removed because you artificially spike the demand of student loans by making it so "anybody" can afford it and then forgive the loans later. It removes the risk aspect from it allowing people to bid up tons of money. If students didn't have this ability the colleges would have to lower rates to attract more students. Have you seen the waste at these schools? It's the same thing that happened with the housing bubble.

I don't think sitting in a classroom and hearing a teacher blab on has anything to do with work skills. There isn't a single thing in the classroom that you couldn't learn for free online anyways. On top of that many of these teachers have poor knowledge/experience in the subjects they teach. We don't produce or build much here anymore, so what is all of this "education" providing? Brainwashing and giving students mortgages while they're drowining in debt.

College is about 1.5 trillion dollars of debt, if it worked so well there wouldn't be so much of it. People who go to a job still have to learn the skills. They could have just skipped school in many cases and learned the same skills. It wasn't like they were aiming to be doctors or anything of the sort.

We're just paying too much for bloated government and the consequences of socialist policies.