Marriage Is For Losers.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Going to be controversial, but it needs to be said. Ask me why.


What do you think?

[JACK-2]

Do you mean modern marriage or marriage in general?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 6, 2015 18:37:31 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Do you mean modern marriage or marriage in general?

What people get married for and things like that. We're not in a society where you pretty much 'have" to, but yea. Marriage is set up for losers.

[JACK-2]

It's a worthless institutions and people use it to feel good. Women use it for engagement rings, the large receptions which they use to show off and other nonsense such as big Happy. How does by some cunt a 50k rock then payng for some dumb reception where she can show off to her friends makes anyone happy is beyond me.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 6, 2015 19:04:34 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

It's a worthless institutions and people use it to feel good. Women use it for engagement rings, the large receptions which they use to show off and other nonsense such as big Happy. How does by some cunt a 50k rock then payng for some dumb reception where she can show off to her friends makes anyone happy is beyond me.

That's true but I'm thinking of a different angle.

More of why losers tend to marry and why marriage is for them. Why it tends to be the dumb and the poor who tends to shack up, or guys that want nothing for themselves.



If you're a man there's no point in being married unless you have nothing going for yourself and have nothing to lose, and you badly need someone to split the rent with. Then you find a roommate with a vagina attached and you call it love!

[misterlc]

The idea that marriage is for losers sounds like an opinion. Is sex for losers as well? That being said opinions are subject to individual perspectives so why don't you elaborate on yours. Obviously most married people aren't going to agree that they are losers.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 8, 2015 8:14:49 GMT -5 misterlc said:

The idea that marriage is for losers sounds like an opinion. Is sex for losers as well? That being said opinions are subject to individual perspectives so why don't you elaborate on yours. Obviously most married people aren't going to agree that they are losers.

People almost never agree with anything that paints them negatively.

I wouldn't say sex is for losers at all. Both sides are engaging in their own self fulfillment without necessarily losing anything.

I said marriage is for losers because the people who stand to benefit from a marriage contract *are* losers. More specifically men who have nothing going for themselves and have nothing to lose. The more a man has, the more he stands to lose, which is why it's not appealing for him to do it.

Got that video to work.

[misterlc]

first, I have to give you a sincere thanks for re-firing the synapses in my brain that truly delight in passionate discussion. I was beginning to lose my touch and I could see it, but I couldn't put my finger on what was off about my style.

Now I feel the drive that pushed me before and it is simply intent.

I now will pursue and achieve my intent to prove that marriage is in no way for losers.

Marriage is a beneficial and highly constructive union for both the parties that are involved when it is entered into sincerely and accepted for what it is truly intended to be. A lifelong partnership and commitment to the best interest of each other. It was designed by God to be the cornerstone in a family and when a marriage is blessed by God the people who are involved know it and can see evidence of that in many different ways. I can say that from personal experience and I know at least one other couple that can give the same personal testimony.

Marriage as it is intended to be provides a permanent support system for a mother and father of a baby. Child rearing is not easy and is necessary for the production of emotionally sound humans that are to continue humanity when we are gone. Values that are constructive are not just discussed for a child but put into practice for the child to see for themselves. A man and his wife are supposed to consider each others feelings. Their offspring see this and learn compassion and concern. A man and his wife take care of different responsibilities to assist each other. Their offspring see this and learn about teamwork and diversity. A man and his wife are faithful to each other sexually. Their offspring see this and learn that this can be done and that sex is more than just another recreational activity.

The truth is that most marriages are not entered into with the consideration of whether God blesses the union or not. Infinity/God created everything and marriage is no exception. You will notice that in a successful marriage both parties practice Jesus' command of loving people in the way that you want to be loved, whether they practice christianity or not.

A true marriage between two sincere individuals is a benefit to them and the world around them. It is the deepest relationship that you can have with another person and one that requires a person to think about things with consideration to someone besides themselves.

A sincere lifelong commitment is not the hallmark of a loser.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 8, 2015 9:43:50 GMT -5 misterlc said:

first, I have to give you a sincere thanks for re-firing the synapses in my brain that truly delight in passionate discussion. I was beginning to lose my touch and I could see it, but I couldn't put my finger on what was off about my style.

Now I feel the drive that pushed me before and it is simply intent.

I now will pursue and achieve my intent to prove that marriage is in no way for losers.

Marriage is a beneficial and highly constructive union for both the parties that are involved when it is entered into sincerely and accepted for what it is truly intended to be. A lifelong partnership and commitment to the best interest of each other. It was designed by God to be the cornerstone in a family and when a marriage is blessed by God the people who are involved know it and can see evidence of that in many different ways. I can say that from personal experience and I know at least one other couple that can give the same personal testimony.

Marriage as it is intended to be provides a permanent support system for a mother and father of a baby. Child rearing is not easy and is necessary for the production of emotionally sound humans that are to continue humanity when we are gone. Values that are constructive are not just discussed for a child but put into practice for the child to see for themselves. A man and his wife are supposed to consider each others feelings. Their offspring see this and learn compassion and concern. A man and his wife take care of different responsibilities to assist each other. Their offspring see this and learn about teamwork and diversity. A man and his wife are faithful to each other sexually. Their offspring see this and learn that this can be done and that sex is more than just another recreational activity.

The truth is that most marriages are not entered into with the consideration of whether God blesses the union or not. Infinity/God created everything and marriage is no exception. You will notice that in a successful marriage both parties practice Jesus' command of loving people in the way that you want to be loved, whether they practice christianity or not.

A true marriage between two sincere individuals is a benefit to them and the world around them. It is the deepest relationship that you can have with another person and one that requires a person to think about things with consideration to someone besides themselves.

A sincere lifelong commitment is not the hallmark of a loser.

1. You can do everything married people do without signing that contract and putting yourself in enormous risk.

2. The God stuff is feeling based and make believe. You can't prove he exists so I'm not changing my entire life around something you can't prove especially when it's harmful for me. I can take control of my life without depending on make believe or some politician.

I'm going to follow up with "religion is for losers" soon for this reason.

[misterlc]

The contract is not marriage. This thread would seem less like an insult to people who simply have values if it were titled "Why marriage contracts are for losers.

Religions are so varied that I think it's a little ridiculous to imply that all of it's the same and is all for losers. That's like saying books are for losers.

If you think that faith is for losers then you are entitled to your opinion but unless you have no faith in your own conclusions about things that would seem hypocritical.

Infinity exists. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise. The idea that infinity lacks awareness is the epitome of redundancy as infinity would "lack" nothing. Infinity would be inherently aware of everything or cease to be infinite. One moment passes and another moment takes it's place. Empirical evidence shows that this process has the potential to continue for an infinite amount of time thus supporting the reality of infinity.

At the opposite end of the spectrum nothing could have existed infinitely and remained that way for an infinite amount of time. Since it appears that existence is that thing that will be infinite science doesn't support removing things like sentience from infinite existence. It just doesn't allow for us to measure anything infinite. We are sentient so there is evidence that it exists on a finite scale. Taking these things into account science supports the existence of God/infinity more than it refutes it. Also our accounts of extreme opposites lend to infinite existence being as sentient as infinite nonexistence would be unaware. Infinite existence would be as powerful as infinite nonexistence would be powerless. The sentience of infinity would lack no emotion that we have, so infinity has all that is required to be seen as the deity that we call God.

Why would infinity be ignorant of marriage, or anything for that matter?

[JACK-2]

Marriage no longer has any functionality in the modern world. Furthermore, society has done a good job removing all the benefits for Men and increasing the risk. I'd argue even further that relationships in general are for losers, a prostitute is cheaper. I mean you're still paying for sex with a relationship in the form of dates and buying her things. It's just you don't "feel" it's a business transaction becaue society gives it the A-ok.

As for God and marriages. You can make any claim about God you want. I don't give a shit about any God who requires you to marry when you can lose your Wealth and Children on a whim plus Alimony.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 8, 2015 11:07:24 GMT -5 misterlc said:

The contract is not marriage. This thread would seem less like an insult to people who simply have values if it were titled "Why marriage contracts are for losers.

Religions are so varied that I think it's a little ridiculous to imply that all of it's the same and is all for losers. That's like saying books are for losers.

If you think that faith is for losers then you are entitled to your opinion but unless you have no faith in your own conclusions about things that would seem hypocritical.

Infinity exists. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise. The idea that infinity lacks awareness is the epitome of redundancy as infinity would "lack" nothing. Infinity would be inherently aware of everything or cease to be infinite. One moment passes and another moment takes it's place. Empirical evidence shows that this process has the potential to continue for an infinite amount of time thus supporting the reality of infinity.

At the opposite end of the spectrum nothing could have existed infinitely and remained that way for an infinite amount of time. Since it appears that existence is that thing that will be infinite science doesn't support removing things like sentience from infinite existence. It just doesn't allow for us to measure anything infinite. We are sentient so there is evidence that it exists on a finite scale. Taking these things into account science supports the existence of God/infinity more than it refutes it. Also our accounts of extreme opposites lend to infinite existence being as sentient as infinite nonexistence would be unaware. Infinite existence would be as powerful as infinite nonexistence would be powerless. The sentience of infinity would lack no emotion that we have, so infinity has all that is required to be seen as the deity that we call God.

Why would infinity be ignorant of marriage, or anything for that matter?

Marriage contracts aren't marriage in our society? Could you prove this please?

Why do you need to believe in a higher power to do something you can already do? Can't you take control of your own life? What person who isn't a loser would need someone else to lead their lives for them?

Prove that infinity creates things.

What does a man gain by getting married that he couldn't get otherwise? Why would a man who has something going for himself put himself at risk?

I should make my own personal decisions based on how *you* feel about some make believe you can't even prove? Why?

[misterlc]

All that is required for two people to become married is the two people. The name of this thread isn't "marriage in our society is for losers" Marriage is something that people do, not a tangible thing that you can hold in your hand. Burn a marriage contract and the marriage continues as if nothing has changed at all.

Infinity can do anything or it does not fit the criteria to be called infinity. Therefore if infinity exists it can create and destroy indefinitely. As I stated earlier science supports the existence of infinity. Humans are part of infinity and humans create things. Even the animals with dumbness in their tongue create art and ideas. Infinite existence can't be incapable of creating.

Infinity obviously has more power than a finite power source. For all that humans can do our limitations are many. Humans are created to lead their own lives but humans are not the creators of life itself. The creator of humans and life is also the creator of options and the extremes of good and evil. People who appreciate their creator will put forth efforts to show their appreciation by behaving in a way that makes that creator happy and that means putting forth the sincere attempt to do/be good. Taking God/infinity for granted as if we are entitled to the earth as our own personal plaything seems extremely ungrateful and counter-productive. Why would we be aware of infinity and be blessed for ignoring how significant all that has been given to us truly is?

@jack 2 In the modern world children benefit from their parents being husband and wife and sincerely committed to each other. Masturbation is cheaper than prostitutes if an orgasm is all a person is after. Intercourse is intimate and most people get their emotions involved, even with prostitutes. An emotional investment can be just as costly, if not more so than a financial one. God/infinity would be aware of the superior environment that a healthy marriage provides for human offspring so why wouldn't that be explained by the creator as the best course of action for potential parents? I'm not aware of God's command to get married even if you don't want sex or marriage.


What does a man gain by getting married that he couldn't get otherwise? A wife.

Your personal decisions are yours to make, and whether my beliefs influence them or not does not change what those beliefs are. All any of us can do when communicating is to share our ideas whether other people agree or not. Why a person does something is a question only they can answer. As I stated earlier science suggests that infinity being unaware is more likely to be "make believe".

Edit: I'd like to note that believers usually ask God to influence the aspects of life that they cannot control, not control their lives for them.

[JACK-2]

An emotional invest is subjective. I don't get attached to women, since I primarily view them as objects for sex. Either way, even if I was emotionally involved are you seriously telling me that financial cost = emotional cost?

It doesn't matter if marriage is a healthy environment for raising children or if God thinks so. Marriage as it is now is no good period. So, unless Jesus Christ himself comes down and runs for office. Repealing all these anti-male laws that are now baked into marriage. I could careless. It wasn't God that F'ed up marriage, it was man. Specifically the State and Women. It really doesn't matter what "God say", because no one can really prove that God actually said it.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 8, 2015 14:05:43 GMT -5 misterlc said:

All that is required for two people to become married is the two people. The name of this thread isn't "marriage in our society is for losers" Marriage is something that people do, not a tangible thing that you can hold in your hand. Burn a marriage contract and the marriage continues as if nothing has changed at all.

Infinity can do anything or it does not fit the criteria to be called infinity. Therefore if infinity exists it can create and destroy indefinitely. As I stated earlier science supports the existence of infinity. Humans are part of infinity and humans create things. Even the animals with dumbness in their tongue create art and ideas. Infinite existence can't be incapable of creating.

Infinity obviously has more power than a finite power source. For all that humans can do our limitations are many. Humans are created to lead their own lives but humans are not the creators of life itself. The creator of humans and life is also the creator of options and the extremes of good and evil. People who appreciate their creator will put forth efforts to show their appreciation by behaving in a way that makes that creator happy and that means putting forth the sincere attempt to do/be good. Taking God/infinity for granted as if we are entitled to the earth as our own personal plaything seems extremely ungrateful and counter-productive. Why would we be aware of infinity and be blessed for ignoring how significant all that has been given to us truly is?

@jack 2 In the modern world children benefit from their parents being husband and wife and sincerely committed to each other. Masturbation is cheaper than prostitutes if an orgasm is all a person is after. Intercourse is intimate and most people get their emotions involved, even with prostitutes. An emotional investment can be just as costly, if not more so than a financial one. God/infinity would be aware of the superior environment that a healthy marriage provides for human offspring so why wouldn't that be explained by the creator as the best course of action for potential parents? I'm not aware of God's command to get married even if you don't want sex or marriage.


What does a man gain by getting married that he couldn't get otherwise? A wife.

Your personal decisions are yours to make, and whether my beliefs influence them or not does not change what those beliefs are. All any of us can do when communicating is to share our ideas whether other people agree or not. Why a person does something is a question only they can answer. As I stated earlier science suggests that infinity being unaware is more likely to be "make believe".

Edit: I'd like to note that believers usually ask God to influence the aspects of life that they cannot control, not control their lives for them.

So marriage doesn't exist because you say so? Women are content with you "believing" you are married?

How is that proof that God created marriage?

Signing contracts makes a kids life better?

What does a man need a wife for if he can the same services with a girlfriend?


How does this prove infinity created anything? Are people such losers they come up with fancy ideas to believe in something to motivate themselves instead of living their own lives? Wouldn't it be more productive to just take care of your own life? You should be able to say anything with no proof and I should just make stupid decisions because I'm supposed to be provided for? Isn't that counter productive?

Is your God the same God that believes that stealing is ok? So God wants us to marry to push humanity forward, but then he is ok with stealing? Where does God say stealing is ok?

[JACK-2]

So, now God is the one behind wealth redistribution? lol.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 8, 2015 14:37:43 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

So, now God is the one behind wealth redistribution? lol.

It's the inherent contradiction behind people who love Government and people who love God. They want both to take care of them but the contradictions just become insane. Especially if they believe in freedom. It's all just nuts really. Why bother comprehending lunacy.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 8, 2015 14:37:43 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

So, now God is the one behind wealth redistribution? lol.

It's their God given right to steal.

Then again people pick and choose what parts of religion to follow when it's convenient. I'm sure most married people fornicate as well. Can't let God get in the way of a good humping after all.

[misterlc]

Emotional investments >/< financial investments. People have killed themselves because of financial reasons but more people have killed themselves because of emotional reasons. How much of an emotional investment someone makes is subjective but not whether they will make one. To suggest otherwise is to suggest that someone can be devoid of emotions.

Jack 2 is right when he stated that humans are the ones that have messed up marriage in most cases. Contracts are a good example of how.
Marriage exists when a man says this woman is my wife and the woman he's referring to says that he's her husband. When individually asked whether they are married or not they both answer yes. A contract is not required to create this scenario but if a contract exists and this scenario does not then the contract is meaningless as a defining document. For example your birth certificate doesn't tell people your name, you do.

A wife is not the same as a girlfriend. They do not provide the same experience.

People must live their own lives. The idea that people are losers because they give thanks to God is incorrect. In reality winners won something and losers lost something. That's how losers and their opposites are truly created. You can call people losers but without a real basis for defining them as that it just comes across as an insult that represents your personal opinion. If a person can be considered a loser based on another persons opinion only, then you can be considered a loser as fast as you call somebody else one. If you are confused about humans being part of infinity and having the ability to create being equal to infinity creating, then you have probably taught yourself to dismiss the idea that infinity is aware. There is no evidence to support the idea that infinity is unaware and there is a universe full of evidence that infinity is superior to men who have awareness. It takes more faith (in one's own ideas) to dismiss infinity/God's existence than to accept that the evidence points to infinity/God having always existed.

As far as stealing goes, just because someone calls something theft doesn't make it theft in actuality. Someone in the world considers all Americans to be thieves and they include you despite your disgust with the country's policies. Whether someone is truly a thief or not has everything to do with that individuals intent. God is the only one that truly judge a persons intent and determine whether they are guilty of wrongdoing in their heart. Humans can't be considered good judges as to anybody's intent but their own. So with that being said you could stop implying that I or most people approve of theft any more than you do. You can't hold an individual responsible for their governments policies or the people that believe that all Americans deserve death because of what their government does would have a valid point. Are you a victim of thievery? If so share how you became a victim.

[Great Dark Hero]

Getting Married... in America has this odd tendency of becoming exceedingly superficial. It doesn't really mean anything, no matter how much a person tries to involve God/Infinity into it. We have people getting divorced for over very frivolous matters, either 5 minutes after the said marriage or years and years after the marriage took place. There is also ulterior motives to consider. A lot of people may marry out of convenience and/or foolish tradition (as if to say, in some cases, an individual "could" be forced into a marriage... which is a stupid design in itself). But, another thing is that some other countries would also take a marriage very seriously. Ideally, it is generally better if a man and woman genuinely do relate to each other somehow (which is certainly not going to happen about 60% of the time anyway... if you're referring to the American region, I would say... 80% of the time, if I were to speak on their behalf. And, I am trying to be nice about it).
Marriage in America is meant for losers based on the circumstances of their situation. Otherwise, the person would have to remain single until they already made something for themselves and found a woman that they do care for...
Marriage has become far too commercialized and/or superficial to be taken that seriously in the American continent.
I don't have any intention on getting married anytime soon until I have gotten to where I need to be first. Single life is the way to go until that point has been reached. Priorities must come first.

[JACK-2]

misterlc

So, what if God said having a free-lunch is a sin and you can't redistribute wealth or else he's going to send you to hell. Would you still believe in wealth redistribution?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 8, 2015 15:47:19 GMT -5 misterlc said:

Emotional investments >/< financial investments. People have killed themselves because of financial reasons but more people have killed themselves because of emotional reasons. How much of an emotional investment someone makes is subjective but not whether they will make one. To suggest otherwise is to suggest that someone can be devoid of emotions.

Jack 2 is right when he stated that humans are the ones that have messed up marriage in most cases. Contracts are a good example of how.
Marriage exists when a man says this woman is my wife and the woman he's referring to says that he's her husband. When individually asked whether they are married or not they both answer yes. A contract is not required to create this scenario but if a contract exists and this scenario does not then the contract is meaningless as a defining document. For example your birth certificate doesn't tell people your name, you do.

A wife is not the same as a girlfriend. They do not provide the same experience.

People must live their own lives. The idea that people are losers because they give thanks to God is incorrect. In reality winners won something and losers lost something. That's how losers and their opposites are truly created. You can call people losers but without a real basis for defining them as that it just comes across as an insult that represents your personal opinion. If a person can be considered a loser based on another persons opinion only, then you can be considered a loser as fast as you call somebody else one. If you are confused about humans being part of infinity and having the ability to create being equal to infinity creating, then you have probably taught yourself to dismiss the idea that infinity is aware. There is no evidence to support the idea that infinity is unaware and there is a universe full of evidence that infinity is superior to men who have awareness. It takes more faith (in one's own ideas) to dismiss infinity/God's existence than to accept that the evidence points to infinity/God having always existed.

As far as stealing goes, just because someone calls something theft doesn't make it theft in actuality. Someone in the world considers all Americans to be thieves and they include you despite your disgust with the country's policies. Whether someone is truly a thief or not has everything to do with that individuals intent. God is the only one that truly judge a persons intent and determine whether they are guilty of wrongdoing in their heart. Humans can't be considered good judges as to anybody's intent but their own. So with that being said you could stop implying that I or most people approve of theft any more than you do. You can't hold an individual responsible for their governments policies or the people that believe that all Americans deserve death because of what their government does would have a valid point. Are you a victim of thievery? If so share how you became a victim.

You mean the experience a wife provides of divorce, community property, and alimony?

Why in the hell would anybody but a loser willingly give their free will to a being they can't even prove? Because their parents brainwashed them?

So confiscating property against someone else's will isn't stealing? Do people on the left/religious people change the meaning of any words just to suit their arguments? If that's the case then debates are pointless.


Are you saying you didn't advocate theft? Are you admitting to lying now? I thought God was against lying and stealing? Which God do you serve?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 8, 2015 15:49:49 GMT -5 Great Dark Hero said:

Getting Married... in America has this odd tendency of becoming exceedingly superficial. It doesn't really mean anything, no matter how much a person tries to involve God/Infinity into it. We have people getting divorced for over very frivolous matters, either 5 minutes after the said marriage or years and years after the marriage took place. There is also ulterior motives to consider. A lot of people may marry out of convenience and/or foolish tradition (as if to say, in some cases, an individual "could" be forced into a marriage... which is a stupid design in itself). But, another thing is that some other countries would also take a marriage very seriously. Ideally, it is generally better if a man and woman genuinely do relate to each other somehow (which is certainly not going to happen about 60% of the time anyway... if you're referring to the American region, I would say... 80% of the time, if I were to speak on their behalf. And, I am trying to be nice about it).
Marriage in America is meant for losers based on the circumstances of their situation. Otherwise, the person would have to remain single until they already made something for themselves and found a woman that they do care for...
Marriage has become far too commercialized and/or superficial to be taken that seriously in the American continent.
I don't have any intention on getting married anytime soon until I have gotten to where I need to be first. Single life is the way to go until that point has been reached. Priorities must come first.

You have a point.

More than half of marriages end in divorce, and most people identify in believing in a higher power and get divorced anyways.

A man has a lot to lose in a divorce since he loses his children and his property. He has nothing to gain and everything to lose. Women benefit from marriage and divorce which is why they like it so much.

That's why marriage is for losers.

A man who has nothing going for himself and no prospects has nothing to lose.

For instance, my brother lives on welfare, has multiple kids from different women and hardly works along with his wife. What in the hell does he care? These people get a vagina and a roommate at best. It's like gambling on the house really. Their costs are subsidized by us.

If a man like myself who has a company, prospects, and motivation marries. I give up my freedom, peace and quiet, and sexual options to another person when I can keep all of those things and do what I want. I can have sex, live with someone (Yea right), have kids (yea right), and anything else a married person experiences without the downsides. Why would a man who has wealth, looks, and sexual options want to engage in such agreements outside of some subjective emotional bs? Even an average guy.

That's why it's for losers. They don't plan ahead and then they say things like "God will deal with it!".

Just makes no sense to me.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 8, 2015 15:53:10 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

misterlc

So, what if God said having a free-lunch is a sin and you can't redistribute wealth or else he's going to send you to hell. Would you still believe in wealth redistribution?

The Bible already says "thou shalt not steal". You'd think that would be enough.

I guess we can just rape and do whatever and just define it however we want. This is some of the biggest load of crap I've ever heard and that's saying a lot.

[misterlc]

I don't approve of theft. You took what I was advocating (survival) and took it out of context. Simple as that. I've had items stolen out of my house and vehicle before and wouldn't wish that feeling on anyone. I do realize however that circumstances can change and make a behavior that is normally wrong necessary for survival. Killing people is bad but if you are at war it may be something you have to do to survive. I don't advocate killing or stealing for sport but I cannot say that I feel that a person should die rather than do either.

Proof of God exists and is more plentiful than proof God doesn't exist. Recently the news reported that scientists have admitted to all evidence pointing to existence having been designed purposely for life. There is just no way to measure God/infinity. God makes his presence known and I can testify that my prayers are answered and quite specifically as well. I have all the proof I need to believe that God is worthy of my devotion. Like I said before I am a realist and I don't make a habit of ignoring the obvious. People brainwash themselves sometimes in order to rationalize their own flawed logic. Flawed logic like infinity that is lacking the ability to create. Realistically that doesn't make any sense. To answer your question about what type of loser follows God's teachings: Martin Luther King Jr. is one I can think of.

You've never been married but you focus on the results of a failed marriage. Defeated before you begin and you consider yourself a winner? A wife will surely take advantage of you and take alimony, but you disapprove of people who have a victim mentality? Your government is victimizing you, and your fellow citizens as well according to some of your more extreme posts, but you can't stand it when people pull the victim card? Rather than use your free will to fight to rectify those things that you see as wrong in your homeland you speak of exploring the option to flee. More "winner" behavior I suppose.

The reality is that death awaits all shortly, and people waste life gathering objects like squirrels only to have them dispersed like a sand castle after they pass away. Wealth shouldn't be a deterrent to living life it should be a benefit. You shouldn't let fear of losing money keep you on the sidelines for some of the most important challenges life has to offer. Even losers are doing more than those who are too scared to play.

What exactly is your victory that allows you to call so many people losers anyway? Men and women sacrifice their lives as soldiers for their countries while you whine about taxes and cry victim. You won't even acknowledge loves existence for fear of the potential risks of being in love. Maybe you are a winner in the game of "How many people can I point my finger at?". I admit to being a loser in that game and wouldn't have it any other way.

@ Great Dark Hero
I agree with most of your take on marriage. So many things differ based on the circumstances of situations. That's the reality in the world of humans. America in no way represents the majority of the world in marriage.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Stupid browser removed my tab so I had to type this 2 times.

Wonderful. Now onto the program.

This is enough. I've had it with the fucking lying. That's where I draw the line. I've sat here and listen to your make believe nonsense and snide remarks, but one thing I can't stand is hypocrisy and then lying. It's not something I'll put up with. I would have never bothered inviting you if I'd known this was the kind of behavior you'd stoop to and that you had the belief of just lying and stealing to make your point across. I guess I shouldn't be surprised because this is what Marxists believe in; anything to support their insane ideals. Don't bother posting if you're going to engage in this behavior. It's disgusting. Not to mention changing the meaning of words whenever you please to suit your own ends. These have been the worst posts I've *ever* seen and that's saying a lot.

Time to take out the trash.

Aug 9, 2015 8:27:16 GMT -5 misterlc said:

I don't approve of theft. You took what I was advocating (survival) and took it out of context. Simple as that. I've had items stolen out of my house and vehicle before and wouldn't wish that feeling on anyone. I do realize however that circumstances can change and make a behavior that is normally wrong necessary for survival. Killing people is bad but if you are at war it may be something you have to do to survive. I don't advocate killing or stealing for sport but I cannot say that I feel that a person should die rather than do either.

So now you're just resorted to outright lying and you show your true nature. You're a hypocrite. You hate the feeling of people stealing from you, yet you want people to have the right to steal from others like me. I'll just go ahead and post exactly where you've advocated theft by copying and pasting in real time so you can't sneak around and edit. I don't really trust you at this point.

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So as we can clearly see you clearly and truly advocate theft. I don't want to talk to those who endorse such disgusting behavior. You've also tried to say it's the same thing as producing because it's an "expense". All just nonsense.

Your logic is also garbage. We ALL aim to survive, every one of us. So that doesn't give another individual a right to steal. Nature cannot coerce you into doing anything, and nobody is coercing anyone into starvation at gunpoint. Nobody will shoot you in the head if you refuse to starve to death. So saying some people have a right to steal in a civilized society is absurd. People who steal are just scumbags who are just too lazy, stupid, or can't be bothered to be productive enough to secure their own means and they want to "cheat" their way through society. You don't have a right to someone else's property.

You have to be screwed in the head to not understand the difference. Not to mention people can always go to charity, friends, or family in times of need. There's no need to steal from others. None.

Aug 9, 2015 8:27:16 GMT -5 misterlc said:

Proof of God exists and is more plentiful than proof God doesn't exist. Recently the news reported that scientists have admitted to all evidence pointing to existence having been designed purposely for life. There is just no way to measure God/infinity. God makes his presence known and I can testify that my prayers are answered and quite specifically as well. I have all the proof I need to believe that God is worthy of my devotion. Like I said before I am a realist and I don't make a habit of ignoring the obvious. People brainwash themselves sometimes in order to rationalize their own flawed logic. Flawed logic like infinity that is lacking the ability to create. Realistically that doesn't make any sense. To answer your question about what type of loser follows God's teachings: Martin Luther King Jr. is one I can think of.

So in other words you have no proof of this nonsense belief and you want me to put myself in great risk for something you "believe" in because it makes you feel good. I guess someone should walk into traffic blindfolded and have faith based on what you believe in too?

You believe in this because you need to have something to get through the day because you're too weak to do it on your own. You're not a realist at all because you base your own will and control on some fantasy you can't even prove exists. You also likely brainwash your own children like other parents by scaring them with nonsense like hell into obeying. It's actually abusive really.

Martin Luther King was a Marxist and a plagiarizer. I'm sure you do take cues from him. Although some people can be religious and just not let go of it because they were brainwashed by their parents and still did something with their lives. Those people tend to be more responsible though.  There's a difference.

Aug 9, 2015 8:27:16 GMT -5 misterlc said:

You've never been married but you focus on the results of a failed marriage. Defeated before you begin and you consider yourself a winner? A wife will surely take advantage of you and take alimony,

For fucks sake do you pay attention at all to anything I say? Do I have to drill things into that head of yours? How is stupidly jumping into unnecessary risk a winner mentality? I'm a victim because I'm not taking undue risk? I'm avoiding being a victim of the anti male divorce system.

First of all, what you "believe" is irrelevant. Everyone who gets married believes that it will last but more than 1/2 don't. That's the fact Jack. You can't control another person's behavior no matter what you believe or do, and they can always end it unilaterally. Period.

Secondly I never said "everyone who gets married is a loser". What I said is that "marriage *IS* FOR losers." Meaning that no male would gain any "benefit" from it unless he *was* a loser. Because they can get the benefits of having a woman live with them WITHOUT BEING MARRIED. What part of that don't you understand?

A man who has no prospects, doesn't think of the future, doesn't plan ahead would "benefit" from it. A man who never plans on becoming anything can "benefit" from marriage because they have a live in roommate (get a male roommate), and can squeeze out minor tax benefits that are less than the cost of a woman unless you're dirt poor and don't really have anything. When you marry you're essentially forming another entity. That's what you're doing.

A man who works minimum wage who lives with his wife who makes minimum wage in order to cut the rent and get sex because he's a loser and can't find any very easily could see the benefits of a "wife", he gets a built in babysitter and some other things done that he's too poor to afford. It's also why poor people have so many damn kids in rural societies because they needed cheap farm help.

It's why losers have so many kids now, because they want welfare.

The reason you believe in this arrangement and defend it so much because YOU are a loser. Let's see you married and had a kid before you furthered yourself with an education or finding a career. You then had another kid later on before you did anything. You live (or have lived) in a trailer, and you spend your money on shit like video games while having nothing saved for the future. You clearly don't plan ahead and live day to day, just like most losers. You also take no control over your own life.

Weren't you the same person who called me complaining about problems in your OWN marriage and when I told you that having kids and getting married especially before you accomplished anything essentially is a dream killer? You got upset at the truth and wouldn't talk to me for *years* and even resented that I was able to do things you weren't? Am I talking to the same person? So you see the truth and you want to deny it. Misery loves company.

This is the behavior or losers and that's why you don't care. What the hell do you care about losing? You have nothing to lose. You're playing on the house. That's why it doesn't matter to you. Just like high taxes don't matter to losers because they pay very little if any.

Just like my brother who cranked out kids and got married and moved in with women without doing anything with himself. Dumb.  Just dumb.

Aug 9, 2015 8:27:16 GMT -5 misterlc said:

but you disapprove of people who have a victim mentality? Your government is victimizing you, and your fellow citizens as well according to some of your more extreme posts, but you can't stand it when people pull the victim card? Rather than use your free will to fight to rectify those things that you see as wrong in your homeland you speak of exploring the option to flee. More "winner" behavior I suppose.

I've already answered this in another thread, but you're clearly too thick headed to get it. Here's the difference:

I dislike being around losers. Why?  Losers don't take responsibility for their own lives and are too weak too so they give up control of their lives to some other entity like God or the Government. They also blame others for their failures and want to pin them on people like myself by stealing from me. People stealing from me is an actual problem and not of my own failing especially when it cannot be avoided.

You live in a shitty neighborhood with theft. If you told me you were going to move into a nicer neighborhood for you and your family. I'd understand because it would be a better use of your time because you could be more productive without worrying about someone breaking into your house and putting your stuff and your family at risk. If I said "What about your community? You should live in that neighborhood and just teach others not to steal from you.", it would be dumb fucking comment because people are just going to steal.  You're so dumb you can't see the difference.

Why in the hell should I stay and play a rigged game while people steal from me? When one of my votes will be beaten by a thousand losers who want to steal?? It's absolute insanity that the vote of a productive, educated, taxpaying businessman is negated by an illiterate loser who lives off of others. Good politicians don't get in because the political process removes them.

I'm not a member of any "community". I'm an individual and I can go where I please. If I want to see and experience new things, while having freedom and keeping what I earn, that's exactly what I'll do. Would you call a slave leaving a plantation a loser? That's your logic right now. I should stay and be fleeced by the masses while this country falls apart. I guess I should wait until I'm about 65 until change comes. Screw that. People like you are just resentful of others who have more options than you and can leave while you're stuck in the cesspool. I can inform others anywhere via the internet.

Aug 9, 2015 8:27:16 GMT -5 misterlc said:

The reality is that death awaits all shortly, and people waste life gathering objects like squirrels only to have them dispersed like a sand castle after they pass away. Wealth shouldn't be a deterrent to living life it should be a benefit. You shouldn't let fear of losing money keep you on the sidelines for some of the most important challenges life has to offer. Even losers are doing more than those who are too scared to play.

So you need a mommy to help you get through life because you're scared of being alone and dying? Is this why you need religion and big government? To help you get through life because you're too scared to face it? Sad.

First of all, most people who get married aren't even happy because more than 1/2 get divorced. Then you have to keep into mind people who stay married for religious reasons, for kids, because the man doesn't want to get divorced and be forced on the streets, or because they don't want to let their parents down or something similar.

Secondly you can have all of the damn benefits of "marriage" without getting married. You haven't even listed any benefits other than "You have a wife". How is this different than a girlfriend outside of added risk? It isn't.

Thirdly, I've talked to miserable married men all of the time. Kind of like you told me about your own married problems. You'd be surprised what men say when you get them alone. They don't enjoy losing their children and being on the streets.

It's a dumb challenge akin to walking in traffic blindfolded, it serves no purpose other than putting yourself at stupid risk with no upside. That's for the dumb.

No reason to give up my FREEDOM, my money, or my sexual options. No need to have a woman in my house, no need to have her name on my bank account. I don't need the nagging, I don't need the fussing, I don't need to have to deal with corrupt lawyers, judges, and police. I don't need it because I'm not needy, I'm secure in myself.   Not to mention women lose value over time and the benefits I get would diminish and hers would increase.  I could just toss her in the recycle bin for some other lesser man to pick up after and pay for.  Women are like cars and age like milk.

The people who don't care about losing money are losers who don't have any. That's why they say things like "Money doesn't matter" because they'll never have any since they live like losers. You clearly don't plan for the future and live for the moment.

If you think women don't consider your financial security then you're living in a dream world. Most marriages end because of financial reasons. Women who marry poor ugly men are women who are too fat and/or ugly to get a man who has any money with looks. That's just reality.

I don't want to give up my FREEDOM. Money is the main way of attaining that because I can do what I want. Pay attention. If you think I need to sign a stupid contract to live a fulfilled life then you are as weak minded and needy as I thought. It's irrelevant. I do need money though, just like everyone else need resources.

Aug 9, 2015 8:27:16 GMT -5 misterlc said:

What exactly is your victory that allows you to call so many people losers anyway? Men and women sacrifice their lives as soldiers for their countries while you whine about taxes and cry victim. You won't even acknowledge loves existence for fear of the potential risks of being in love. Maybe you are a winner in the game of "How many people can I point my finger at?". I admit to being a loser in that game and wouldn't have it any other way.

I thought you'd get it by now, but I guess you're too dimwitted. Being a loser is a mindset. Losers do things as a result of their stupid mindset like not planning and giving up control to others.


I'm not a loser because I believe in controlling my life. Soldiers who are conscripted into dying for political self interest is just sad and shows another reason why our government is too big, they aren't for any "freedom", they're being used to be a police force and many take away our rights. Simply dying for something doesn't mean anything. Altruism doesn't exist and it's irrelevant. People do what's in their own self interest. Even with your "love" argument. What kind of "love" is that when you have to force someone to stay with you at significant expense if it doesn't work out? If you were so sure it was meant to be wouldn't need to force them with a contract. You don't need to force a friend to hang with you with a contract and take his money if it doesn't work out. It's ludicrous.

You're a damned moron. Our country was founded by wise men who wanted freedom and the main part of that freedom is being able to have self ownership and keeping what you earn. The other part of self ownership is taking responsibility for your actions. Something you refuse to do which is why you remain a bottom barrel piece of crap loser.  Are our founding fathers losers for protesting taxes and building the greatest nation the world has ever seen?  I guess we should all live in a communist hellhole.

Love doesn't exist. People do what's in their own self interest and what makes them feel good. Fucking some woman and moving her in your house is no different. You have to believe in these things because if you saw the truth and realized how much better my life was, you couldn't take it and you'd probably blow your head off like most other losers. You have to rationalize with things like "love" and "God", because it gets you through the day. That's for the weak. The truth sets you free and I believe in freedom and the truth more than anything. Even going by you logic you can "love" someone without marrying and you can marry a person and not stand them.

Bringing up why people stealing from me is an issue is a legitimate complaint. Just because losers like you with no ambition or prospects want to take what I earn doesn't mean I should let you. I'm not "crying victim". I'm solving the problem by moving on. I don't depend on government to do it for me.

I've employed people and created jobs. I've paid MORE than my fair share, while educating and even donating others. I'm a leader and a producer. What the hell have you ever done besides sit on your ass and lie and steal and resent others for their success? I'm sick of people and especially black people trying to tell me what I should do why they sit around and do nothing. This discussion has nothing to do with soldiers. It has to do with weak minded dumb asses who don't take control of their own lives, and think that by moving someone in or "believing" in something they can wish their problems away. They can't.

You're also a blatant filthy liar, and a hypocrite. You believe in nothing but Marxism and the politics of victim-hood and pointing your fingers at others who had nothing to do with the problems.

You told me it was my fault that people cranked out kids they couldn't afford. You told me it was my fault they made bad decisions, and you even told me it was my job to pay the insurance of those who chose to eat poorly and get fat because "the food tastes too good". You equate stealing with producing and produce nothing yourself but the bullshit you spout on these threads.

I don't know what I was thinking what I invited you, but I'm glad that this discussion proved what I knew deep down all along. You're a loser, and hanging around losers and resentful morons is toxic for personal success because they'll only drag you down into the pile of shit that they live in.  It's good you've shown your true colors.

Don't bother spewing your crap again if this is all you're about. Almost 40 years old and you think like a small kid. Just sad. You're a winner at pointing the finger at others and a loser at doing anything else. You spent your entire life a loser and it's all you'll ever know. You'll never accomplish anything with your loser mindset. Keep dreaming your fairy tales.

The truth hurts.

[JACK-2]

Aug 9, 2015 8:27:16 GMT -5 misterlc said:

I don't approve of theft. You took what I was advocating (survival) and took it out of context. Simple as that. I've had items stolen out of my house and vehicle before and wouldn't wish that feeling on anyone. I do realize however that circumstances can change and make a behavior that is normally wrong necessary for survival. Killing people is bad but if you are at war it may be something you have to do to survive. I don't advocate killing or stealing for sport but I cannot say that I feel that a person should die rather than do either.

Where does the bible say you can steal when you really need it? Wtf, also the bible never says killing is wrong it says thou shalt not commit murder. Killing and murder have nothing in common.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 9, 2015 14:01:10 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Aug 9, 2015 8:27:16 GMT -5 misterlc said:

I don't approve of theft. You took what I was advocating (survival) and took it out of context. Simple as that. I've had items stolen out of my house and vehicle before and wouldn't wish that feeling on anyone. I do realize however that circumstances can change and make a behavior that is normally wrong necessary for survival. Killing people is bad but if you are at war it may be something you have to do to survive. I don't advocate killing or stealing for sport but I cannot say that I feel that a person should die rather than do either.

Where does the bible say you can steal when you really need it? Wtf, also the bible never says killing is wrong it says thou shalt not commit murder. Killing and murder have nothing in common.

This is what I mean. It's like what's the point? He just lies and twists things to suit his convoluted beliefs and "logic". I'm just fed up with it.

Where in the hell does it say you can steal when you feel it's necessary? Even if you eat food you'll still die anyways. How do we allow this? Do we just let homeless people become career thieves just to feed themselves and get away with it because they have a "right" to? What the hell is he even talking about?

People like this just hide behind rhetoric and religion to support their own agenda which is stealing from the strong. At least if they were honest and admitted they were just outright liars and thieves it would be one thing, but they can hide behind "reasoning" and justify it. This is why religion is also bad like big government. It just breeds intolerance and twisting so people can get what they want. Worse yet they force this on kids.

This has to be some of the worst stuff I've ever read. It's stinking up the forum.

[misterlc]

Hey I never called you dimwitted, you need to fix that quote

'I thought you'd get it by now, but I guess you're too dimwitted. Being a loser is a mindset. Losers do things as a result of their stupid mindset like not planning and giving up control to others.'

For the record I never typed that, those are not my words.

You tell me the truth hurts but it does seem like I'm the one who struck a nerve.I have no need to lie. To clarify further "No American has the right to steal food for survival" There is simply no excuse for it because there are a myriad of other ways for an American to procure food or water for survival. Outside of America people ARE suffering horrors. You live on earth so why do you act as though the humans who live outside of the U.S. don't count or are you simply not including them when you speak of marriage and theft? Why do you speak as though the majority of the planet is like America? Why would I envy your life when there's a goat herder somewhere who wouldn't envy mine? I wouldn't trade places with anyone in the world for a trillion dollars! Like the song says It's because I'm happy! You don't sound as happy as you sound angry. All the insults because our opinions are different? Why? Doesn't "Love doesn't exist" sound like a sad opinion of someone who has never known love?

There are women who are satisfied to be called wife, even in the U.S.

I'm proud of your accomplishments and I don't resent your success. No doubt you are right about the added stress a wife and children bring. Considering that, how was you constantly telling me how bad being married with kids is constructive? I was trying to persevere despite those extra responsibilities and you were downplaying the quality of my wife, despite calling yourself a friend. What kind of friend dogs his buddies wife when she's a good wife? She's the main reason I jumped up here and defended the benefits of marriage. She's my best friend and the mother to my children. I'd call her the best thing that ever happened to me and I'd gladly die for her so why would I care about the extra money I'd save if I didn't have her.

So I figured if I didn't postpone our conversations for a while it would hurt either our friendship (which I still value by the way, us Mitchells are pretty thick skinned!) or cause me to resent my wife. You kept going on and on about how you didn't have to deal with a wife and kids while building your business while I was working on building mine. I didn't want to end up resenting you inadvertently due to your single freedom and you sang its praises non-stop while I was struggling. Sorta like bragging.I am a fan of bragging as well however so I didn't want to deter you from bragging but it wasn't helpful while I was trying to get to a place where I had some accomplishments outside of raising a family. I'm there now so I have a defense to some of the darts you just threw. My business isn't as old as yours but it does exist. My family is extremely happy so I've got that victory. I had a few things stolen from me through my LIFETIME, if the neighborhood I live in now was any safer it would be a graveyard.

The biggest difference between us is that you think you are better than other people and I think that all people are of equal value. The popes's not more valuable than you and you're not more valuable than the pope in reality.You want me to stop posting? Fine. I talk way faster than I type anyway and if we had talked more I could have explained that when I say that things are peoples' fault I mean good and bad things. Of course it's not literally your fault when kids get pregnant but with your intelligence you do have the potential to influence them otherwise. You just take me to literally.

Marriage. Losers need not attempt. POINT MADE.

[misterlc]

English Standard Version
People do not despise a thief if he steals to satisfy his appetite when he is hungry,

New American Standard Bible
Men do not despise a thief if he steals To satisfy himself when he is hungry;

King James Bible
Men do not despise a thief, if he steal to satisfy his soul when he is hungry;

Holman Christian Standard Bible
People don't despise the thief if he steals to satisfy himself when he is hungry.

International Standard Version
A thief isn't despised if he steals to meet his needs when he is hungry,