Tiger vs Lion

[kuwabara]

Bengal tigers are about 8.7-10 feet in length 350 to 525 pounds.
www.tigerhomes.org/animal/curriculums/bengal-tiger-pc.cfm

VS


lions weigh 330 to 500 pounds and are 5-8 feet in length.
www.pueblozoo.org/archives/feb01/feature.htm


which animal wins? also these are just to site for back round info on the animals.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

kuwabara said:

Bengal tigers are about 8.7-10 feet in length 350 to 525 pounds.
www.tigerhomes.org/animal/curriculums/bengal-tiger-pc.cfm

VS


lions weigh 330 to 500 pounds and are 5-8 feet in length.
www.pueblozoo.org/archives/feb01/feature.htm


which animal wins? also these are just to site for back round info on the animals.

Tiger I want to say, Lions might be a bit stronger, but Tigers have that damned speed and power, particularly Bengal Tigers.

[newjak]

Actually the Lion has a huge advantage over the Tiger with its Main which acts as a natural shield against any attacks on the neck which is where both the Tiger and the Lion's main attack focus is.

Basically a Lion should come out on top because the Tiger is going to have a much harder time getting in that killing blow unlike the Lion so even if the Tiger gets first strie it isn't for sure

[kuwabara]

[/quote] Tiger I want to say, Lions might be a bit stronger, but Tigers have that damned speed and power, [/quote]
No Lion are weaker pound for pound and since tiger are larger on average by quite a bit the tiger advantage in strength is huge. Here is the formula below for measuring strength of a big cats. “Yes, the tiger is approx. 30-35% stronger than the lion preportionately, which means that if we had a 450lb tiger vs. a 450lb lion this would be a good estimate as to how much of their weight would be thrown into the punch- not in foot lbs or inches- just body weight... It is estimated that both lions and tigers convert about 30% of their body weights into their attacks so:

450x30%= 135lbs- this is about how much each cat would throw at eachother with each swipe
(now calculate the tiger's being approx. 35% stronger)
135lbsx35%= approx. 47 lbs

So with two animals of equal weights (450lbs) the tiger would throw swipes with about 182lbs of body weight behind them while the lion would throw swipes with about 135lbs behind them.

Now if we change to the average weights of the animals watch what happens:
Tiger= 480lbsx30%=144lbsx35%= 50lbs--- 144lbs+50lbs= 194lbs
Lion= 415lbsx30%= 124.5lbs

That- my friends- is why strength matters- if we take an average sized Bengal tiger and compare it's strength to an average sized African lion, we find that the tiger throws (124.5/194= 64%) 36% more damage at the lion, than the lion does to the tiger...

Each Bengal tiger swipe does approx. 36% more damage than each lion swipe

(Researched used from Alan Turner, PHD)”

[/quote] particularly Bengal Tigers. [/quote]

Siberian are better and far stronger.

newjak said:

Actually the Lion has a huge advantage over the Tiger with its Main which acts as a natural shield against any attacks on the neck which is where both the Tiger and the Lion's main attack focus is.

Not true at all a seen below that is not the case. The main add no protection what so ever.
www.lionresearch.org/current_docs/lion_mane.html

"Charles Darwin was the first to suggest that the mane may be a result of "sexual selection" meaning that the mane may play a role in reproductive success. One hypothesis has been that the mane protects a male's neck in fights with other males, and that males that are more successful in fights would then have increased access to females. Another hypothesis is that the mane serves as a signal of male condition allowing males to assess each other's fighting ability and females to choose superior mates.

Our studies addressed both hypotheses. If the mane evolved by conferring protection on male necks, one might predict that the area covered by the mane is a special target of attacks during fights. Additionally, wounds to the neck area might be particularly dangerous. In these cases, there would be significant evolutionary pressure on males to develop protection in the neck area. However, when we examined wounding patterns both in adult males, and in females and sub-adult males (whose neck areas are bare), we could find no evidence that the necks were special targets, nor that wounds to the neck were especially dangerous. These results suggested that the mane's primary function might be to signal male condition."


"Using an infrared camera, we measured the surface temperatures of male and female lions, and found that male lions were hotter than females. In addition, males with darker manes were hotter than males with lighter manes. These results suggest that the mane imposes costs in terms of heat stress, and that only superior males can afford to withstand these costs. For inferior males, a dark mane would be a serious handicap such that the costs would outweigh the reproductive benefits. "

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

No Lion are weaker pound for pound and since tiger are larger on average by quite a bit the tiger advantage in strength is huge. Here is the formula below for measuring strength of a big cats. “Yes, the tiger is approx. 30-35% stronger than the lion preportionately, which means that if we had a 450lb tiger vs. a 450lb lion this would be a good estimate as to how much of their weight would be thrown into the punch- not in foot lbs or inches- just body weight... It is estimated that both lions and tigers convert about 30% of their body weights into their attacks so:

I agree that Tigers should win because they are also more agile too, but Lions are stronger in the area of overall strength is what I mean. I myself am pound for pound stronger than a lot of people, but the smaller the creature is, in general, the stronger they are proportionately. A beetle would have little problem carrying it’s own weight in hundreds, while an elephant would have a difficult time carrying their own weight across their shoulders. Suffice to say the elephant is stronger, but not proportionately. Lions do weigh more on average than tigers.

I agree with the rest of your post however, good job on your research. Tigers are overall more vicious and built for fighting alone than a Lion is as well.

[kuwabara]

admin said:

No Lion are weaker pound for pound and since tiger are larger on average by quite a bit the tiger advantage in strength is huge. Here is the formula below for measuring strength of a big cats. “Yes, the tiger is approx. 30-35% stronger than the lion preportionately, which means that if we had a 450lb tiger vs. a 450lb lion this would be a good estimate as to how much of their weight would be thrown into the punch- not in foot lbs or inches- just body weight... It is estimated that both lions and tigers convert about 30% of their body weights into their attacks so:

I agree that Tigers should win because they are also more agile too, but Lions are stronger in the area of overall strength is what I mean. I myself am pound for pound stronger than a lot of people, but the smaller the creature is, in general, the stronger they are proportionately. A beetle would have little problem carrying it’s own weight in hundreds, while an elephant would have a difficult time carrying their own weight across their shoulders. Suffice to say the elephant is stronger, but not proportionately. Lions do weigh more on average than tigers.

I agree with the rest of your post however, good job on your research. Tigers are overall more vicious and built for fighting alone than a Lion is as well.

Thanks.

Tiger are bigger and weight more then lion on average.

lions are between 330 to 500 pounds in wieght
www.awf.org/wildlives/148


lions weigh 330 to 500 pounds and are 5-8 feet in length.
www.pueblozoo.org/archives/feb01/feature.htm


Bengal tigers are about 8.7-10 feet in length 350 to 525 pounds.
www.tigerhomes.org/animal/curriculu...al-tiger-pc.cfm

Siberian tigers are 700-1000 pounds and averagely 8.9 to 10.9

www.tigerhomes.org/animal/curriculu...an-tiger-pc.cfm
these hieghts and wieghts above are averages.

(the way of the tiger) states that in Russia and also in india many tiger were found that were 12 to 13 feet. and also states on the same page the average weight of a tiger is 380 to 570 this of course is the wieght of an average bengal tiger.

tiger range for weight is always higher and on average a tiger is a good 20 pounds or more larger then a lion

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

kuwabara said:

admin said:

I agree that Tigers should win because they are also more agile too, but Lions are stronger in the area of overall strength is what I mean. I myself am pound for pound stronger than a lot of people, but the smaller the creature is, in general, the stronger they are proportionately. A beetle would have little problem carrying it’s own weight in hundreds, while an elephant would have a difficult time carrying their own weight across their shoulders. Suffice to say the elephant is stronger, but not proportionately. Lions do weigh more on average than tigers.

I agree with the rest of your post however, good job on your research. Tigers are overall more vicious and built for fighting alone than a Lion is as well.

Thanks.

Tiger are bigger and weight more then lion on average.

lions are between 330 to 500 pounds in wieght
www.awf.org/wildlives/148


lions weigh 330 to 500 pounds and are 5-8 feet in length.
www.pueblozoo.org/archives/feb01/feature.htm


Bengal tigers are about 8.7-10 feet in length 350 to 525 pounds.
www.tigerhomes.org/animal/curriculu...al-tiger-pc.cfm

Siberian tigers are 700-1000 pounds and averagely 8.9 to 10.9

www.tigerhomes.org/animal/curriculu...an-tiger-pc.cfm
these hieghts and wieghts above are averages.

(the way of the tiger) states that in Russia and also in india many tiger were found that were 12 to 13 feet. and also states on the same page the average weight of a tiger is 380 to 570 this of course is the wieght of an average bengal tiger.

tiger range for weight is always higher and on average a tiger is a good 20 pounds or more larger then a lion

Wait, let's be more specific.

What sex and species of Lions and Tigers are we talking about here?

[kuwabara]

admin said:

kuwabara said:

Thanks.

Tiger are bigger and weight more then lion on average.

lions are between 330 to 500 pounds in wieght
www.awf.org/wildlives/148


lions weigh 330 to 500 pounds and are 5-8 feet in length.
www.pueblozoo.org/archives/feb01/feature.htm


Bengal tigers are about 8.7-10 feet in length 350 to 525 pounds.
www.tigerhomes.org/animal/curriculu...al-tiger-pc.cfm

Siberian tigers are 700-1000 pounds and averagely 8.9 to 10.9

www.tigerhomes.org/animal/curriculu...an-tiger-pc.cfm
these hieghts and wieghts above are averages.

(the way of the tiger) states that in Russia and also in india many tiger were found that were 12 to 13 feet. and also states on the same page the average weight of a tiger is 380 to 570 this of course is the wieght of an average bengal tiger.

tiger range for weight is always higher and on average a tiger is a good 20 pounds or more larger then a lion

Wait, let's be more specific.

What sex and species of Lions and Tigers are we talking about here?

bangle. If we used siberian tiger it would not even be close lol. were talking male.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

I figured. I'm thinking, "why put a big ass tiger against a small assed lion"?

[kuwabara]

admin said:

I figured, I'm thinking, "why put a big ass tiger against a small assed lion"?

The farest fight of still living tiger would be the bangle vs the african lion.

The bangle is bigger but it is the closest size to the african lion and it is the fight every one likes to talk about.


a siberian would destroy an african lion lol so we can't have that fight

[Badabing]

Male Lions are built to battle. They are very heavily muscled and have that mane to protect them. Their duties are basically just procreation and the protection of the pride. Male tigers are a bit larger than Lions but not as heavily muscled. I think the Lion wins 6.5/10.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

You bring a good point, Lions are made to fight straight up. Tigers are more about sneak attacks not for direct attacks. I'd have to see a clip of a Tiger and a Lion fight.

[kuwabara]

admin said:

You bring a good point, Lions are made to fight straight up. Tigers are more about sneak attacks not for direct attacks. .

That’s not true actually lion and tiger are both built for straight up encounters and sneak attacks how ever tiger are more capable combatants due to having stronger back legs which is needed because when big cats battle they tend to stand up on there hind legs. The Lion hind legs are a good deal weaker then the tiger and it’s front end is also a lot heaver making it almost unable to maintain fight on it hinds leg for more then a few seconds.

admin said:

I'd have to see a clip of a Tiger and a Lion fight.

Tigress beating Barbary lion which is a male.
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4103817393208209134&q=tiger+vs+lion

That is the biggest of all lions also and a tigress is far smaller then a male tiger.

[kuwabara]

badabing said:

Male Lions are built to battle. .

Yes that true, but there are not more so built for battle then a tiger.

badabing said:

are very heavily muscled and have that mane to protect them

Did you even read my earlier post badabing I am a shamed of you lol.
www.lionresearch.org/current_docs/lion_mane.html

"Charles Darwin was the first to suggest that the mane may be a result of "sexual selection" meaning that the mane may play a role in reproductive success. One hypothesis has been that the mane protects a male's neck in fights with other males, and that males that are more successful in fights would then have increased access to females. Another hypothesis is that the mane serves as a signal of male condition allowing males to assess each other's fighting ability and females to choose superior mates.

Our studies addressed both hypotheses. If the mane evolved by conferring protection on male necks, one might predict that the area covered by the mane is a special target of attacks during fights. Additionally, wounds to the neck area might be particularly dangerous. In these cases, there would be significant evolutionary pressure on males to develop protection in the neck area. However, when we examined wounding patterns both in adult males, and in females and sub-adult males (whose neck areas are bare), we could find no evidence that the necks were special targets, nor that wounds to the neck were especially dangerous. These results suggested that the mane's primary function might be to signal male condition."


"Using an infrared camera, we measured the surface temperatures of male and female lions, and found that male lions were hotter than females. In addition, males with darker manes were hotter than males with lighter manes. These results suggest that the mane imposes costs in terms of heat stress, and that only superior males can afford to withstand these costs. For inferior males, a dark mane would be a serious handicap such that the costs would outweigh the reproductive benefits. "

Means that the dark colored maned lion would most likley overheat faster

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badabing said:

Their duties are basically just procreation and the protection of the pride. .

True though they do procreation and sleep about a million times more lol.
The Tiger actually does battle more frequently then a lion.

badabing said:

Male tigers are a bit larger than Lions but not as heavily muscled. .

Actually a tiger is far more heavily muscled which I have already proven that they are und for pound the stronger of the two lion are just fatter.
“Yes, the tiger is approx. 30-35% stronger than the lion preportionately, which means that if we had a 450lb tiger vs. a 450lb lion this would be a good estimate as to how much of their weight would be thrown into the punch- not in foot lbs or inches- just body weight... It is estimated that both lions and tigers convert about 30% of their body weights into their attacks so:

450x30%= 135lbs- this is about how much each cat would throw at eachother with each swipe
(now calculate the tiger's being approx. 35% stronger)
135lbsx35%= approx. 47 lbs

So with two animals of equal weights (450lbs) the tiger would throw swipes with about 182lbs of body weight behind them while the lion would throw swipes with about 135lbs behind them.

Now if we change to the average weights of the animals watch what happens:
Tiger= 480lbsx30%=144lbsx35%= 50lbs--- 144lbs+50lbs= 194lbs
Lion= 415lbsx30%= 124.5lbs

That- my friends- is why strength matters- if we take an average sized Bengal tiger and compare it's strength to an average sized African lion, we find that the tiger throws (124.5/194= 64%) 36% more damage at the lion, than the lion does to the tiger...

Each Bengal tiger swipe does approx. 36% more damage than each lion swipe

(Researched used from Alan Turner, PHD)”
[quote author=badabing board=animals thread=1161938036 post=1161989810I think the Lion wins 6.5/10.[/quote]
I respect your opinion, but it is most likely incorrect.

[kuwabara]

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[warmunger]

I believe the tiger is actually better but the lion is highly overated. Tigers seem to be over all better because they like to work alone and don't actually mind getting wet or dirty.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

They have different approaches to battle as well.

[kuwabara]

admin said:

They have different approaches to battle as well.

That not really the case actaully there styles are quite the same along with most all big cats when they enter combat they fight on there hind leggs. The lion how ever a very top heavy and can only maintains this for a few seconds at a time while tigers can maintain this for a long period of time giving them quite an advantage.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

kuwabara said:

admin said:

They have different approaches to battle as well.

That not really the case actaully there styles are quite the same along with most all big cats when they enter combat they fight on there hind leggs. The lion how ever a very top heavy and can only maintains this for a few seconds at a time while tigers can maintain this for a long period of time giving them quite an advantage.

Tigers rely more on stealth and Lions use their pack.

[kuwabara]

admin said:

kuwabara said:

That not really the case actaully there styles are quite the same along with most all big cats when they enter combat they fight on there hind leggs. The lion how ever a very top heavy and can only maintains this for a few seconds at a time while tigers can maintain this for a long period of time giving them quite an advantage.

Tigers rely more on stealth and Lions use their pack.

thats for hunting not fighting those are to complete different things when talking about big cats

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

kuwabara said:

admin said:

Tigers rely more on stealth and Lions use their pack.

thats for hunting not fighting those are to complete different things when talking about big cats

Still battle though.

You need to do your guy for the rp, make your char and join in...

[kuwabara]

admin said:

kuwabara said:

thats for hunting not fighting those are to complete different things when talking about big cats

Still battle though.

You need to do your guy for the rp, make your char and join in...

yes and no. It not battle when they hunt in the sense that there actaully fighting. When big cats fight they do no approach is as if they are hunting, but rather approach it as a fight for who is the tougher the superior.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

However some of the techniques are the same (aside from stealth).

[kuwabara]

admin said:

However some of the techniques are the same (aside from stealth).

not really male lions do not use there pack while fighting other big cats. The only thing that remains the same is they will use the neck bite if able that is the only similarity.


Hunting and fighting are to complete different things when talking about big cats technigues.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

kuwabara said:

admin said:

However some of the techniques are the same (aside from stealth).

not really male lions do not use there pack while fighting other big cats. The only thing that remains the same is they will use the neck bite if able that is the only similarity.


Hunting and fighting are to complete different things when talking about big cats technigues.

But that is given seeing that it's a 1 one 1 fight anyways.

[kuwabara]

admin said:

kuwabara said:

not really male lions do not use there pack while fighting other big cats. The only thing that remains the same is they will use the neck bite if able that is the only similarity.


Hunting and fighting are to complete different things when talking about big cats technigues.

But that is given seeing that it's a 1 one 1 fight anyways.

so there styles are pritty much the same in 1 on 1 combat how ever the tiger build is far better for the style they both use.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

kuwabara said:

admin said:

But that is given seeing that it's a 1 one 1 fight anyways.

so there styles are pritty much the same in 1 on 1 combat how ever the tiger build is far better for the style they both use.

In which I agree.

[Dreampanther]

I have to agree that the tiger would win. You put two boxers in a ring, both equally skilled, but the one is clearly bigger (and therefore, in this argument, stronger) and you know who's gonna win. Sorry, but a tough, skilled big guy wins a tough, skilled smaller opponent just about every time. It's just nature

Another thing that counts against the male lions is that they are not hunters so much as fighters. Now, while it might look like I'm contradicting myself, my observation has been that male lions usually fight until there is clearly a winner. They do not NECESSARILY fight to the death. Sometimes, one dies, but that is not necessarily always the aim of the fight. The aim is to establish a winner.

Male lions are pretty useless in a hunt. The way they work is the male gets wind-up somewhere where the prey can smell him, and then he starts roaring. All the prey starts running away from him, right into the clutches of the females, who meanwhile have been circling around to get behind the prey. And then they do all the work.

Then, once they have brought a buck or two down, the male saunters up, growls at all the females (who are smaller than him) and then eats himself full before sauntering off again. Only then the females are allowed to eat. (at least they know their place in the order ).

Anyway, the reason I'm arguing for the tiger to win this fight (besides the obvious size and weight advantage) is because they are killers, not used to having a pack do their defending or hunting for them. Therefore, I reckon that instead of just fighting for a win, as a lion might do, the tiger will go in with more of a killer instinct.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Ok, so let's imagine that they were both going for the kill, would you still say tiger?

[Dreampanther]

admin said:

Ok, so let's imagine that they were both going for the kill, would you still say tiger?

Still tiger.

Put it this way: If you see a fight between two fighters, both equally skilled, both equally hungry (for the kill or the knock-out or whatever) and it's a fair playing field with no advantage to either - and the one is obviously bigger, heavier and stronger (remember, in this instance heavier, bigger and stronger DOES NOT mean slower) - who are you going to put your money on?