Sonic is now confirmed in Brawl

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

damasta said:

Alex I haven't seen you in ages!

He was at your house not that long ago.

[Dja Majista]

on the forum man. on the forum.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

damasta said:

on the forum man. on the forum.

Who's the forum man? What's on him?

[Dja Majista]

we need to avoid these lines of conversation.
They seem to have a direct correlation to the number of members who have lost their sanity over the past week. Me being one of them.

[darthrevan]

You lost it? I knew I would eventually lose mine, so I went ahead and sold it.

[Dja Majista]

Damn. I wish I had the foresight to do that.
Then again who would pay for my sanity. More to the point, who would pay for yours?

[darthrevan]

I would, and I guess I actually did.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

damasta said:

we need to avoid these lines of conversation.
They seem to have a direct correlation to the number of members who have lost their sanity over the past week. Me being one of them.

There are lines of conversation lying around, did you step over them?

[Dja Majista]

I line has no width and cannot be tangible in this dimension. Therefore a line can't be stepped on.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

damasta said:

I line has no width and cannot be tangible in this dimension. Therefore a line can't be stepped on.

"I" line must be an imaginary one. I know every time I make a line I can step on it.

[Dja Majista]

Well sure. As long as your reasoning is devoid of logic. That will certainly work.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

damasta said:

Well sure. As long as your reasoning is devoid of logic. That will certainly work.

We've already had this talk about *my* logic vs. *your* logic, and how it won't work, because your logic is contradictory.

Not to mention that "logic" is overrated.

You can't be religious and then try to base everything on "logic" because it just doesn't work. Simple.

[Dja Majista]

Not true at all. I can base everything I believe on logic easy.
Everything I believe makes sense logically one way or the other.

Want me to argue it? I will, but I'll need a different thread.

"I'm the C-master. *My* logic is infallible. David's logic sucks, because logic is his god, and he thinks it rules the univarse." bleh meh meh.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

damasta said:

Not true at all. I can base everything I believe on logic easy.
Everything I believe makes sense logically one way or the other.

Want me to argue it? I will, but I'll need a different thread.

"I'm the C-master. *My* logic is infallible. David's logic sucks, because logic is his god, and he thinks it rules the univarse." bleh meh meh.

People can argue anything, but the fact of the matter is if everything "made sense", then you wouldn't have to rely on faith anyways.

Furrrrthermore, it is illogical to base everything on logic, because logic itself can't exist without illogic. Sure you could say it is logical to believe the prior statement, but it is still illogical to base everything on it. Making the syllogism faulty. To do so is logical fallacy of slothful induction.

There has already been a thread on this. About a year ago beautiful one.

[Dja Majista]

admin said:

damasta said:

Not true at all. I can base everything I believe on logic easy.
Everything I believe makes sense logically one way or the other.

Want me to argue it? I will, but I'll need a different thread.

"I'm the C-master. *My* logic is infallible. David's logic sucks, because logic is his god, and he thinks it rules the univarse." bleh meh meh.

People can argue anything, but the fact of the matter is if everything "made sense", then you wouldn't have to rely on faith anyways.


Furrrrthermore, it is illogical to base everything on logic, because logic itself can't exist without illogic. Sure you could say it is logical to believe the prior statement, but it is still illogical to base everything on it. Making the syllogism faulty. To do so is logical fallacy of slothful induction.

There has already been a thread on this. About a year ago beautiful one.

Not true. This is a lot simpler than you're making it. It can *make sense* that a certain species spider can't harm you but it takes a lot more than science to get an arachnophobic to even come close to one.
At the same if this arachnophobic did manage to get close, their faith that it wouldn't hurt them is based off of logic.

But maybe to help me see eye-to-eye with you, you can tell me what part of your faith is based not based on logic. We may be more alike than you think.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

damasta said:

admin said:

People can argue anything, but the fact of the matter is if everything "made sense", then you wouldn't have to rely on faith anyways.


Furrrrthermore, it is illogical to base everything on logic, because logic itself can't exist without illogic. Sure you could say it is logical to believe the prior statement, but it is still illogical to base everything on it. Making the syllogism faulty. To do so is logical fallacy of slothful induction.

There has already been a thread on this. About a year ago beautiful one.

Not true. This is a lot simpler than you're making it. It can *make sense* that a certain species spider can't harm you but it takes a lot more than science to get an arachnophobic to even come close to one.
At the same if this arachnophobic did manage to get close, their faith that it wouldn't hurt them is based off of logic.

But maybe to help me see eye-to-eye with you, you can tell me what part of your faith is based not based on logic. We may be more alike than you think.

Well not really. If a person who is scared of balloons finally comes close to one, then it took more faith than reasoning, because they already know the balloon can't harm them, there is something more than "IF this happens, that happens" to get them there in the first place.

Logic is based off of what we as humans have to make a reasoning off of inference. It takes more than our mental resources and capability alone to believe in God, if that makes sense.

I never doubted we were alike somewhat, you did.

[Dja Majista]

admin said:

damasta said:

Not true. This is a lot simpler than you're making it. It can *make sense* that a certain species spider can't harm you but it takes a lot more than science to get an arachnophobic to even come close to one.
At the same if this arachnophobic did manage to get close, their faith that it wouldn't hurt them is based off of logic.

But maybe to help me see eye-to-eye with you, you can tell me what part of your faith is based not based on logic. We may be more alike than you think.

Well not really. If a person who is scared of balloons finally comes close to one, then it took more faith than reasoning, because they already know the balloon can't harm them, there is something more than "IF this happens, that happens" to get them there in the first place.

Logic is based off of what we as humans have to make a reasoning off of inference. It takes more than our mental resources and capability alone to believe in God, if that makes sense.

I never doubted we were alike somewhat, you did.

I'm not saying logic is everything. Of course there's more. But nonetheless, it is the basis for what I believe. A child who's afraid of balloons has faith in their own inference that the balloon will not pop. Ultimately, there has to be some sort of reasoning as a basis for faith, or else that is what we call blind faith.
I also know however that it does indeed take more than a solid deduction to ACT on something. That is something I am painfully aware of from experience.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

I'm not saying logic is everything. Of course there's more. But nonetheless, it is the basis for what I believe. A child who's afraid of balloons has faith in their own inference that the balloon will not pop. Ultimately, there has to be some sort of reasoning as a basis for faith, or else that is what we call blind faith.

Blind faith is more of the act of simply following without any real cause, stumbling about blind. A person like Joel had plenty of faith when he converted to God, despite having limited knowledge on Biblical scripture. Robbie (however you spell it) had faith as well, and studied extensively. Both are great man of much faith, but many parts of religion simply cannot be answered in human terms, and there comes a point where you just "have to believe", because you'll never have all of those answers. You know that.

I also know however that it does indeed take more than a solid deduction to ACT on something. That is something I am painfully aware of from experience.

Not really, you can act impulsively. You and I are thinkers, so it's hard to imagine anything else. What about the mentally unstable? What about the enraged?

[Dja Majista]

admin said:

I'm not saying logic is everything. Of course there's more. But nonetheless, it is the basis for what I believe. A child who's afraid of balloons has faith in their own inference that the balloon will not pop. Ultimately, there has to be some sort of reasoning as a basis for faith, or else that is what we call blind faith.

Blind faith is more of the act of simply following without any real cause, stumbling about blind. A person like Joel had plenty of faith when he converted to God, despite having limited knowledge on Biblical scripture. Robbie (however you spell it) had faith as well, and studied extensively. Both are great man of much faith, but many parts of religion simply cannot be answered in human terms, and there comes a point where you just "have to believe", because you'll never have all of those answers. You know that.

I'm not talking about scripture necessarily. When I say logic and reason, I'm merely speaking of one's ability to verify if what they believe is true or not. Joel and Mr. D didn't need loads of scriptural knowledge to make this decision. As for me, God speaks to me directly, so it's actually hard for me to question his existence seriously anymore; he's so evident. This is not to say I don't question other things though.
Faith has to have a reasonable foundation. You know why we decide to believe these things in the bible we can't explain? Because everything else has worked thus far! Even these things have some sense behind them.
If you weren't sure whether the other things sounded reasonable, would you believe something it says that sounds unreasonable? Of course not. Faith is cumulative too. Without a reasonable grounding,
you can't really question it, and you sure as hell can't argue for it.

I also know however that it does indeed take more than a solid deduction to ACT on something. That is something I am painfully aware of from experience.

Not really, you can act impulsively. You and I are thinkers, so it's hard to imagine anything else. What about the mentally unstable? What about the enraged?

Alright, I should have said "make a decision and act." Impulsive actions don't really apply because we are speaking for people who have real, earned faith. Not an unquestioned, fake, inherited faith. And I'm sorry if I didn't make that distinguishment earlier. I'm talking about a developed faith, not the groundless inherited faith.

told ya we'd need another thread for this. ;D

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

I'm not talking about scripture necessarily. When I say logic and reason, I'm merely speaking of one's ability to verify if what they believe is true or not. Joel and Mr. D didn't need loads of scriptural knowledge to make this decision. As for me, God speaks to me directly, so it's actually hard for me to question his existence seriously anymore; he's so evident. This is not to say I don't question other things though.

Reason is a bit more broad than logic. The fact that you still question things means that it isn't 100% based on logic, because logic is based on the tools we as humans have alone to infer. God is beyond us, and he doesn't reveal everything to us. And when you get to the situation when there are things you don't have the answers to, (we all do), you just have to have faith, because if you had all the answers and could connect all the dots, you wouldn't need faith in the first place. A big part of believing in God is accepting that you can't do it all yourself.

Faith has to have a reasonable foundation. You know why we decide to believe these things in the bible we can't explain? Because everything else has worked thus far! Even these things have some sense behind them.

You can base your reason that things work now, so we'll give it the benefit of the doubt, but it's very easy to argue the stories in the bible that have a hint of the supernatural, things coming from the sky, people turning into stone. We haven't seen this before, so how do we know it's there? It definitely doesn't sound very logical, that's where faith comes in. You could say God speaks to you and someone else could say he doesn't. How do you know it's God speaking to you and not something else, do you have any evidence that can be used within the limited resources we have?

What if someone came and said they were God in human form? Why should we believe him any more or less than you? As an objective listener. Especially one that has no faith.

If you weren't sure whether the other things sounded reasonable, would you believe something it says that sounds unreasonable? Of course not. Faith is cumulative too. Without a reasonable grounding,
you can't really question it, and you sure as hell can't argue for it.

So you're saying you believed in God once you had all of the answers, or did you believe in him and slowly develop it. Because everyone questions their faith sometimes and everything definitely doesn't sound logical. Which is more specific than reasoning.

Alright, I should have said "make a decision and act." Impulsive actions don't really apply because we are speaking for people who have real, earned faith. Not an unquestioned, fake, inherited faith. And I'm sorry if I didn't make that distinguishment earlier. I'm talking about a developed faith, not the groundless inherited faith.

But that action would still be illogical, and people with faith still make impulsive decisions and can be unstable from time to time. If that's the case no person would make mistakes.

told ya we'd need another thread for this. ;D

We already have one, for the 5th time.

[Dja Majista]

dammit... here it comes... quotes! *spaz*

admin said:

I'm not talking about scripture necessarily. When I say logic and reason, I'm merely speaking of one's ability to verify if what they believe is true or not. Joel and Mr. D didn't need loads of scriptural knowledge to make this decision. As for me, God speaks to me directly, so it's actually hard for me to question his existence seriously anymore; he's so evident. This is not to say I don't question other things though.

Reason is a bit more broad than logic. The fact that you still question things means that it isn't 100% based on logic, because logic is based on the tools we as humans have alone to infer. God is beyond us, and he doesn't reveal everything to us. And when you get to the situation when there are things you don't have the answers to, (we all do), you just have to have faith, because if you had all the answers and could connect all the dots, you wouldn't need faith in the first place. A big part of believing in God is accepting that you can't do it all yourself.

There is faith, because a logical foundation does not imply having all the answers. But when that situation comes why are you confident in your faith? Isn't there some sort of reason?
I never said logic does it all. All I'm saying is it is the strongest, most vital foundation for why you have faith in something.
And it strikes me that I may be using a poor definition of logic for the purpose of this argument. What do you define as logic?

You can base your reason that things work now, so we'll give it the benefit of the doubt, but it's very easy to argue the stories in the bible that have a hint of the supernatural, things coming from the sky, people turning into stone. We haven't seen this before, so how do we know it's there? It definitely doesn't sound very logical, that's where faith comes in. You could say God speaks to you and someone else could say he doesn't.

It sounds perfectly logical to me. If there is a God, why would these things you speak of not seem possible. Anything in the bible can sound logical if you have a truthful set of premises (except for the nature of God, the only thing in the bible that truly goes beyond human logic). For example, this sounds illogical to some people: "God exists." But from my own factual knowledge, I can say that that's certainly a possibility, and consequently, it's certainly a possibility that a sea can be parted or a person can be turned into stone.

How do you know it's God speaking to you and not something else, do you have any evidence that can be used within the limited resources we have?

He communicates to everyone differently. But I can say I have the privelege of him being very obvious to me when he talks to me
A. He's prompt, B. He's spontaneous, and C. He's supernatural.

I'll give you an example. uh, I'd say it was maybe early September. I asked God a question while I was in the car. (I won't say what it was, but it doesn't matter either.) So I drive past an exit sign not a minute later. It's number 222. So I thought about it for a bit, why it's a good way for God to communicate with me. I wanted it to mean a yes, but I didn't draw any conclusions, I just remembered it.
A couple weeks later, I am for the first time in a LONG time angry with God about this question. It didn't make any sense. I expressed my anger to him that morning and a couple hours later I forgot all about it. So it's about 12:30 or so and I go to the practice room and play the piano. I completely lost track of time. That's what I do when I go to the piano. In the time I stayed there I had an urge to check my watch once, because my next class was at 3:00. Just once and that's all it took. Have you guessed what my it said? My watch not only said 2:22. It also said 22 seconds.

There's such a thing as a person who's stupid for believing in signs. But there's also such a thing as a person whose stupid for NOT believing in a sign.

What if someone came and said they were God in human form? Why should we believe him any more or less than you? As an objective listener. Especially one that has no faith.

well he better show me some evidence then.
Jesus certainly didn't have a problem with that. And anyway, I wouldn't believe em, because God said there wouldn't be anymore messiahs. And I have good reason to believe what God said.

So you're saying you believed in God once you had all of the answers, or did you believe in him and slowly develop it. Because everyone questions their faith sometimes and everything definitely doesn't sound logical. Which is more specific than reasoning.

All the answers? No, just the necessary answers, enough answers to convince me. But in terms of the development of your faith...

You only need faith the size of a mustard seed to BELIEVE. But to ACT on faith requires a lot more; it requires GROWTH and development. Take the Isrealites:
God at least gave them their mustard seed with all the plagues and finally the parting of the red sea. But then came the walls of Jerhico. God had them do some seemingly very silly things. Walking around the walls a bunch every day in the hot sun. Then blowing trumpets and screaming when their task was complete. None of this seemed to make sense to anyone. It was illogical, but the people stayed. Why? Because it was the same God that delivered them from Egypt, the same God that parted the Red Sea, and the same God that gave them the ten commandments. God didn't send Moses in to get everybody together and do something like walk around Egypt a bunch. If that worked, then the Isrealites would have just been a bunch of stupid people with dumb luck. God sent Moses to shake everybody up. He sent a bunch of plagues. And it wasn't until the last plague until the Isrealites were actually required to DO something (Make a mark of blood on their door to let the angel of death know not to visit here). Why did they do it? Because the previous plagues were all accurately foreseen by moses as well. God doesn't expect people to obey out of blind faith.
First he asks us to watch him. (The first plagues)
Then he asks us to do something simple. (The final plague)
Then he asks us to do something crazy. (the walls of Jerhico)
People didn't know WHY God asked them to walk around the walls of Jerhico. That's where faith comes in. But the reason faith can come in is because they've already seen what God can do.
And for the record, the walls of Jerhico can be seen to this day, collapsed inward. See? God even wants the archeologists to have a reason to believe.

But that action would still be illogical, and people with faith still make impulsive decisions and can be unstable from time to time. If that's the case no person would make mistakes.

haha of course. Nobody is faced with a decision and says "Okay, WHY do I have faith?...<answer>...This is what my faith says about this:...<answer>... And that's how what I believe justifies what I'm about to do."...<ACT>.
Nobody thinks that much to make a quick decision. People make quick decisions based off of a faith in which you've already thought about the "Why you believe." People can make impulsive decisions based off of a faith with reason behind it just as easily as a faith without the reason

told ya we'd need another thread for this. ;D

We already have one, for the 5th time. [/quote]
Tell me where it is. I can't find it

I think it really comes down to this question. This is what I think divides us. Would you still believe in God if the bible was completely devoid of miraculous events?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

damasta said:

dammit... here it comes... quotes! *spaz*

admin said:

Reason is a bit more broad than logic. The fact that you still question things means that it isn't 100% based on logic, because logic is based on the tools we as humans have alone to infer. God is beyond us, and he doesn't reveal everything to us. And when you get to the situation when there are things you don't have the answers to, (we all do), you just have to have faith, because if you had all the answers and could connect all the dots, you wouldn't need faith in the first place. A big part of believing in God is accepting that you can't do it all yourself.

There is faith, because a logical foundation does not imply having all the answers. But when that situation comes why are you confident in your faith? Isn't there some sort of reason?
I never said logic does it all. All I'm saying is it is the strongest, most vital foundation for why you have faith in something.
And it strikes me that I may be using a poor definition of logic for the purpose of this argument. What do you define as logic?


It sounds perfectly logical to me. If there is a God, why would these things you speak of not seem possible. Anything in the bible can sound logical if you have a truthful set of premises (except for the nature of God, the only thing in the bible that truly goes beyond human logic). For example, this sounds illogical to some people: "God exists." But from my own factual knowledge, I can say that that's certainly a possibility, and consequently, it's certainly a possibility that a sea can be parted or a person can be turned into stone.



He communicates to everyone differently. But I can say I have the privelege of him being very obvious to me when he talks to me
A. He's prompt, B. He's spontaneous, and C. He's supernatural.

I'll give you an example. uh, I'd say it was maybe early September. I asked God a question while I was in the car. (I won't say what it was, but it doesn't matter either.) So I drive past an exit sign not a minute later. It's number 222. So I thought about it for a bit, why it's a good way for God to communicate with me. I wanted it to mean a yes, but I didn't draw any conclusions, I just remembered it.
A couple weeks later, I am for the first time in a LONG time angry with God about this question. It didn't make any sense. I expressed my anger to him that morning and a couple hours later I forgot all about it. So it's about 12:30 or so and I go to the practice room and play the piano. I completely lost track of time. That's what I do when I go to the piano. In the time I stayed there I had an urge to check my watch once, because my next class was at 3:00. Just once and that's all it took. Have you guessed what my it said? My watch not only said 2:22. It also said 22 seconds.

There's such a thing as a person who's stupid for believing in signs. But there's also such a thing as a person whose stupid for NOT believing in a sign.


well he better show me some evidence then.
Jesus certainly didn't have a problem with that. And anyway, I wouldn't believe em, because God said there wouldn't be anymore messiahs. And I have good reason to believe what God said.



All the answers? No, just the necessary answers, enough answers to convince me. But in terms of the development of your faith...

You only need faith the size of a mustard seed to BELIEVE. But to ACT on faith requires a lot more; it requires GROWTH and development. Take the Isrealites:
God at least gave them their mustard seed with all the plagues and finally the parting of the red sea. But then came the walls of Jerhico. God had them do some seemingly very silly things. Walking around the walls a bunch every day in the hot sun. Then blowing trumpets and screaming when their task was complete. None of this seemed to make sense to anyone. It was illogical, but the people stayed. Why? Because it was the same God that delivered them from Egypt, the same God that parted the Red Sea, and the same God that gave them the ten commandments. God didn't send Moses in to get everybody together and do something like walk around Egypt a bunch. If that worked, then the Isrealites would have just been a bunch of stupid people with dumb luck. God sent Moses to shake everybody up. He sent a bunch of plagues. And it wasn't until the last plague until the Isrealites were actually required to DO something (Make a mark of blood on their door to let the angel of death know not to visit here). Why did they do it? Because the previous plagues were all accurately foreseen by moses as well. God doesn't expect people to obey out of blind faith.
First he asks us to watch him. (The first plagues)
Then he asks us to do something simple. (The final plague)
Then he asks us to do something crazy. (the walls of Jerhico)
People didn't know WHY God asked them to walk around the walls of Jerhico. That's where faith comes in. But the reason faith can come in is because they've already seen what God can do.
And for the record, the walls of Jerhico can be seen to this day, collapsed inward. See? God even wants the archeologists to have a reason to believe.


haha of course. Nobody is faced with a decision and says "Okay, WHY do I have faith?...<answer>...This is what my faith says about this:...<answer>... And that's how what I believe justifies what I'm about to do."...<ACT>.
Nobody thinks that much to make a quick decision. People make quick decisions based off of a faith in which you've already thought about the "Why you believe." People can make impulsive decisions based off of a faith with reason behind it just as easily as a faith without the reason

We already have one, for the 5th time.

Tell me where it is. I can't find it

I think it really comes down to this question. This is what I think divides us. Would you still believe in God if the bible was completely devoid of miraculous events?
[/quote]Well I'm defining logic as the basic sense of the reasoning we use to deduce for inference (which means we use what we have available to use as humans, and nothing else) that is more specific than "what makes sense" or "what makes sense in the real world" (comic fans love defending against that one).

It's in general discussion, didn't you make it?

[Dja Majista]

admin said:

damasta said:

dammit... here it comes... quotes! *spaz*



There is faith, because a logical foundation does not imply having all the answers. But when that situation comes why are you confident in your faith? Isn't there some sort of reason?
I never said logic does it all. All I'm saying is it is the strongest, most vital foundation for why you have faith in something.
And it strikes me that I may be using a poor definition of logic for the purpose of this argument. What do you define as logic?


It sounds perfectly logical to me. If there is a God, why would these things you speak of not seem possible. Anything in the bible can sound logical if you have a truthful set of premises (except for the nature of God, the only thing in the bible that truly goes beyond human logic). For example, this sounds illogical to some people: "God exists." But from my own factual knowledge, I can say that that's certainly a possibility, and consequently, it's certainly a possibility that a sea can be parted or a person can be turned into stone.



He communicates to everyone differently. But I can say I have the privelege of him being very obvious to me when he talks to me
A. He's prompt, B. He's spontaneous, and C. He's supernatural.

I'll give you an example. uh, I'd say it was maybe early September. I asked God a question while I was in the car. (I won't say what it was, but it doesn't matter either.) So I drive past an exit sign not a minute later. It's number 222. So I thought about it for a bit, why it's a good way for God to communicate with me. I wanted it to mean a yes, but I didn't draw any conclusions, I just remembered it.
A couple weeks later, I am for the first time in a LONG time angry with God about this question. It didn't make any sense. I expressed my anger to him that morning and a couple hours later I forgot all about it. So it's about 12:30 or so and I go to the practice room and play the piano. I completely lost track of time. That's what I do when I go to the piano. In the time I stayed there I had an urge to check my watch once, because my next class was at 3:00. Just once and that's all it took. Have you guessed what my it said? My watch not only said 2:22. It also said 22 seconds.

There's such a thing as a person who's stupid for believing in signs. But there's also such a thing as a person whose stupid for NOT believing in a sign.


well he better show me some evidence then.
Jesus certainly didn't have a problem with that. And anyway, I wouldn't believe em, because God said there wouldn't be anymore messiahs. And I have good reason to believe what God said.



All the answers? No, just the necessary answers, enough answers to convince me. But in terms of the development of your faith...

You only need faith the size of a mustard seed to BELIEVE. But to ACT on faith requires a lot more; it requires GROWTH and development. Take the Isrealites:
God at least gave them their mustard seed with all the plagues and finally the parting of the red sea. But then came the walls of Jerhico. God had them do some seemingly very silly things. Walking around the walls a bunch every day in the hot sun. Then blowing trumpets and screaming when their task was complete. None of this seemed to make sense to anyone. It was illogical, but the people stayed. Why? Because it was the same God that delivered them from Egypt, the same God that parted the Red Sea, and the same God that gave them the ten commandments. God didn't send Moses in to get everybody together and do something like walk around Egypt a bunch. If that worked, then the Isrealites would have just been a bunch of stupid people with dumb luck. God sent Moses to shake everybody up. He sent a bunch of plagues. And it wasn't until the last plague until the Isrealites were actually required to DO something (Make a mark of blood on their door to let the angel of death know not to visit here). Why did they do it? Because the previous plagues were all accurately foreseen by moses as well. God doesn't expect people to obey out of blind faith.
First he asks us to watch him. (The first plagues)
Then he asks us to do something simple. (The final plague)
Then he asks us to do something crazy. (the walls of Jerhico)
People didn't know WHY God asked them to walk around the walls of Jerhico. That's where faith comes in. But the reason faith can come in is because they've already seen what God can do.
And for the record, the walls of Jerhico can be seen to this day, collapsed inward. See? God even wants the archeologists to have a reason to believe.


haha of course. Nobody is faced with a decision and says "Okay, WHY do I have faith?...<answer>...This is what my faith says about this:...<answer>... And that's how what I believe justifies what I'm about to do."...<ACT>.
Nobody thinks that much to make a quick decision. People make quick decisions based off of a faith in which you've already thought about the "Why you believe." People can make impulsive decisions based off of a faith with reason behind it just as easily as a faith without the reason

We already have one, for the 5th time.

Tell me where it is. I can't find it

I think it really comes down to this question. This is what I think divides us. Would you still believe in God if the bible was completely devoid of miraculous events?

Well I'm defining logic as the basic sense of the reasoning we use to deduce for inference (which means we use what we have available to use as humans, and nothing else) that is more specific than "what makes sense" or "what makes sense in the real world" (comic fans love defending against that one).

It's in general discussion, didn't you make it?[/quote]

Is it the does God exist one? I don't know.

But your definition sounds about the same as what I mean. Reasoning based only on what's available to you. Yes I definitely value this as the basis of my faith.
Now what about my last question. Do you have an answer? Or do you need to think about it some?

[darthrevan]

Maybe, I might not get Brawl now. I'm just starting to hate half of the new characters. I let the Pokemon trainer slide by, but this is just starting to piss me off.

[Dja Majista]

darthrevan said:

Maybe, I might not get Brawl now. I'm just starting to hate half of the new characters. I let the Pokemon trainer slide by, but this is just starting to piss me off.

Whoa! I forgot all about that discussion up there!
Oh, hey David. lol
Look at it on the bright side though. Half of them are cool characters that you'll wanna play as, and the other half are punching bag characters that you would take pleasure in beating the tar out of.

[darthrevan]

Now that about it, there are only four or five characters in Melee that I played as, so I guess you're right.

[darthrevan]

www.smashbros.com/en_us/index.html



Darn it!

[Dja Majista]

aww. See, I would be sad if I was a wii owner.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Come on out game... I wonder how Kirby will be in this one.

[Dja Majista]

Kirby and Metaknight...
I've seen some of metaknight's moves. They look like they could make him pretty broken.
Kirby I have not seen. I doubt he'll be keeping Dedeed's hammer though ...