Delta Squad from Gears of War vs Master Chief

[Marcus4600]

Battle is outside, near the House of Commons. Baird and Dom have Lancers and the Hammer of Dawn. Cole and Fenix have Lancers and Torque Bows. Chief gets a shotgun, four frag grenades, and the assault rifle from Halo 1. Who takes it?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

marcus4600 said:

Battle is outside, near the House of Commons. Baird and Dom have Lancers and the Hammer of Dawn. Cole and Fenix have Lancers and Torque Bows. Chief gets a shotgun, four frag grenades, and the assault rifle from Halo 1. Who takes it?

I want to say Gears win this fight with their firepower.

[newjak]

The Hammer of Dawn is an amazing weapon but if you get shot you loose whatever time you had going.

all in all MC should in as the Gears weren't that hard to take down in open field fighting and can be taken down within a few hits but MC has a shield and his weapon is far more accuarte and I would say packs more firepower.

[Squid Lord]

ya, it really depends where they're fighting.....MC has a shield, the Gears don't....and they die faster.....so in open field...MC, in a not-so open field...with actual cover....prlly the gears...especially with the Hammer of Dawn, but if they're inside...again, the gears....the lancer is fucking beastly with the chainsaw

[newjak]

squidlord said:

ya, it really depends where they're fighting.....MC has a shield, the Gears don't....and they die faster.....so in open field...MC, in a not-so open field...with actual cover....prlly the gears...especially with the Hammer of Dawn, but if they're inside...again, the gears....the lancer is fucking beastly with the chainsaw

If their inside the Hammer won't work and it still requires line of sight and once someone is shot they loose whatever they had.The Assault Rifle is also way more accurate then the any of the weapons the Gears have.

I mean they have a shot I just don't think its very good because the MC is faster stronger(I think one beat down should be enough to down a gear) he also is very maneuverable in combat.

I think the gears have the Hammer of Dawn and maybe the ability to circle him and possibly out shoot him but not enough to give them the majority

[Squid Lord]

well, ya, i know about the Hammers abilitys/disablities, but u say clear line of sight....not entirely true, in multiplayer it doesn't.....more of a point and shoot, i've seen it shoot on the other sides of walls, with no sight, from mi team mates. Accuracy is important...but i notice that when u actually take the time to aim the gun, it will shoot more acurrately than when u just pull 'R' while running

so are the Gears, do u see MC squatting THAT low to get under cover??....don't think so

MC is JUST genetically enhanced for strength, endurance,....and height.....he has knowladge, armor, and a cool shield that covers his entire body....but HE'S NOT AN ARMY OF ONE...against 4 tactical ppl, i don't think he culd do something, he's a "Run & Gun" kind of person

[newjak]

squidlord said:

well, ya, i know about the Hammers abilitys/disablities, but u say clear line of sight....not entirely true, in multiplayer it doesn't.....more of a point and shoot, i've seen it shoot on the other sides of walls, with no sight, from mi team mates. Accuracy is important...but i notice that when u actually take the time to aim the gun, it will shoot more acurrately than when u just pull 'R' while running

so are the Gears, do u see MC squatting THAT low to get under cover??....don't think so

MC is JUST genetically enhanced for strength, endurance,....and height.....he has knowladge, armor, and a cool shield that covers his entire body....but HE'S NOT AN ARMY OF ONE...against 4 tactical ppl, i don't think he culd do something, he's a "Run & Gun" kind of person

MC is an army of one when you think of he has to face in the games alot of the time. One brute would give a team of Gears some trouble MC has to face three or four of them at one time solo.

His shield does make a big difference because his shields won't be dwindled that easily espeicailly by the weapons here although the Hammer will put him down.

Four humans won't be that hard for MC though when you think that he is almost twice as fast as a Gearnormally and doesn't have to slow down to actually be able to aim correctly.

This match all depends if the Hammer of Dawn will have enough time to be activated

[Squid Lord]

fine, army of one he is, but lets just look at how retarted the Grunts, Jackals, Elites, and Hunters are, and evn then, he has a team of equally retarted marines, all he does is break the stalemate. A brute is a smarter boomer. the gears can handle a boomer, they can handle a brute, also vice versa for MC against boomers.

i never said his shield didn't make a big difference...i think the Hammer will do alot more than just "put him down".......it literally makes ppl explode......, it can take down a creature of pure stone, wich we all know has higher resistance than a human. the armor won't quite matter, with a satellite lazer pointer that is....

he's twice as fast, cause atleast 1ft-2ft taller than a NORMAL human. now when i stated the aiming, the gears don't quite either, just the game is built in that pulling 'R' to shoot with out 'L' is a "blind-fire" in every stituation and lowers the accuracy...because it's simply blind-firing, they set the gun to be less accurate in that case...it's a massive "If-Statement"

enuff time to be activated yes, but again, being shot and it automatically fails is another built in function to give it a slight challenge.

[newjak]

squidlord said:

fine, army of one he is, but lets just look at how retarted the Grunts, Jackals, Elites, and Hunters are, and evn then, he has a team of equally retarted marines, all he does is break the stalemate. A brute is a smarter boomer. the gears can handle a boomer, they can handle a brute, also vice versa for MC against boomers.

i never said his shield didn't make a big difference...i think the Hammer will do alot more than just "put him down".......it literally makes ppl explode......, it can take down a creature of pure stone, wich we all know has higher resistance than a human. the armor won't quite matter, with a satellite lazer pointer that is....

he's twice as fast, cause atleast 1ft-2ft taller than a NORMAL human. now when i stated the aiming, the gears don't quite either, just the game is built in that pulling 'R' to shoot with out 'L' is a "blind-fire" in every stituation and lowers the accuracy...because it's simply blind-firing, they set the gun to be less accurate in that case...it's a massive "If-Statement"

enuff time to be activated yes, but again, being shot and it automatically fails is another built in function to give it a slight challenge.

It depends on the level you place it on on the higher levels the excpet for the lower level enemies they get really tough.

A brute is a Boomer but with a lot more agility and they aren't very stationary targets and their weapons also fire a lot faster and reload faster.

I agree the Hammer will take MC out in one shot it a beast of a weapon but I just don't see where the Gears can really stop MC or slow him down. He is faster and can run straight through their normal weapons with relative ease and is also a lot better at dodging incoming fire.

I just don't see where the Gears can really slow him down long enough to use the Hammer because he can keep getting shot and stay pretty accurate while firing back unlike the gears who will go down with a few shots from the AR and a few well placed Frags will kill a Gear with one blast.

[Squid Lord]

yes, the difficulty does make a difference, but not much until u hit Legendary, then it becomes a bitch. but then so does GoW

yes, more agility, the Boomers culd have been alot more fun to fight and used actual tactics, but when the bommer hits u...ur fucking gone, no matter the difficulty, brutes.....agile yes...but their weapons r weaker than a boomers

wait....did u say "dodge".......i run in and kill the hell out of evrything that happens to not like me. if it's ne1 who dodges fire, it's the Gears, MC doesn't need to dodge, the shield remember.....and the fact that it's kinda hard to dodge in an FPS. run through yes, y?...that damned shield...the Gears..nothing, and they DO dodge fire.

they don't need to slow him down for JUST the Hammer, u said they have Torque Bows as well. not only do the bolts explode, but it's equipped with a blade for close combat...that's the 'shingy' noise when u beat some1 with it. ofcourse he'll stay acurate, he has a damned shield cushioning the shots, and then the armor...and his enhancements [wich shrunk his testis ;D ].well, ya a gear will go down from a well placed frag.......it's a grenade, and they're NORMAL humans...

[newjak]

squidlord said:

yes, the difficulty does make a difference, but not much until u hit Legendary, then it becomes a bitch. but then so does GoW

yes, more agility, the Boomers culd have been alot more fun to fight and used actual tactics, but when the bommer hits u...ur fucking gone, no matter the difficulty, brutes.....agile yes...but their weapons r weaker than a boomers

wait....did u say "dodge".......i run in and kill the hell out of evrything that happens to not like me. if it's ne1 who dodges fire, it's the Gears, MC doesn't need to dodge, the shield remember.....and the fact that it's kinda hard to dodge in an FPS. run through yes, y?...that damned shield...the Gears..nothing, and they DO dodge fire.

they don't need to slow him down for JUST the Hammer, u said they have Torque Bows as well. not only do the bolts explode, but it's equipped with a blade for close combat...that's the 'shingy' noise when u beat some1 with it. ofcourse he'll stay acurate, he has a damned shield cushioning the shots, and then the armor...and his enhancements [wich shrunk his testis ;D ].well, ya a gear will go down from a well placed frag.......it's a grenade, and they're NORMAL humans...

You would be surprised at how well you can dodge fire in Halo while using jump and cover to run behind for brefi seconds.

The torque bow is also very slow weapon to use so if they did use it they would have to hope they hit their mark.

I agree a brute shot is a little weaker but I would say a gear would go down in one shot from it as well plus it can fire four shots very fast. Anyways he can take a constant pounding from the gears they can't say the same.

I know it could go either way but when thinking about how well MC can move and that he can take more plus he can quickly dish out more against far lesser enemies then most people he faces because alot fo the things he faces have shields as well. I would just give him the majority since they will have to rely mostly on the Hammer to win which has some fualts of its own if you think about how fast MC can fire and how accurate his main long weapon can be.

[Squid Lord]

jumping is jumping....not dodging......i can jump.....i'm not dodging.......if some1 came to me on the streets and held a gun to me, and i jumped a crouchd.....it wuld go either crotch shot, or squatting into a head shot.....

slow to prepare for fire, mid fire in the air......umm...hell no, it gains enuff speed to pierce human flesh, bone, stone, steel.......ofcourse it'll hit MC while running, it's just acting as the Gears version of a plasma grenade with a frag effect...wich for MC is indeedy an instant kill, as we've all seen from the grunts and lucky elites.

i can see a brute shot taking down a gear instantly....it's a flying grenade, 4 shots yes, accuracy and lob adding onto that, i can see a gear easily getting out of the way, it doesn't always shoot straight, not does it smoothly fly accross the air in a straight line, it has a LOB effect, the Boom shot has more of an explosion radious [spelling??? wow] than a brute shot, and the grenades

yes, but then the things he's firing at normally stand still...notice that? the elites stand there with their little plasma rifle or needler, and take the pain. don't u expect the Gears to MOVE around? i remember playing.....and circling an elite cause he refuses to move his sorry ass. and no they don't have to rely on the Hammer, they have a ghetto plasma grenade, as i've stated before, in the Torque Bow, then tell me this...wut will his little shiled do against the Chainsaw Bayonet?......nothing, only the steel will do something...but then we've seen it cut thru the Locust, wich r wut? stone skin, and meaty inards?

[newjak]

squidlord said:

jumping is jumping....not dodging......i can jump.....i'm not dodging.......if some1 came to me on the streets and held a gun to me, and i jumped a crouchd.....it wuld go either crotch shot, or squatting into a head shot.....

slow to prepare for fire, mid fire in the air......umm...hell no, it gains enuff speed to pierce human flesh, bone, stone, steel.......ofcourse it'll hit MC while running, it's just acting as the Gears version of a plasma grenade with a frag effect...wich for MC is indeedy an instant kill, as we've all seen from the grunts and lucky elites.

i can see a brute shot taking down a gear instantly....it's a flying grenade, 4 shots yes, accuracy and lob adding onto that, i can see a gear easily getting out of the way, it doesn't always shoot straight, not does it smoothly fly accross the air in a straight line, it has a LOB effect, the Boom shot has more of an explosion radious [spelling??? wow] than a brute shot, and the grenades

yes, but then the things he's firing at normally stand still...notice that? the elites stand there with their little plasma rifle or needler, and take the pain. don't u expect the Gears to MOVE around? i remember playing.....and circling an elite cause he refuses to move his sorry ass. and no they don't have to rely on the Hammer, they have a ghetto plasma grenade, as i've stated before, in the Torque Bow, then tell me this...wut will his little shiled do against the Chainsaw Bayonet?......nothing, only the steel will do something...but then we've seen it cut thru the Locust, wich r wut? stone skin, and meaty inards?

trust me in that gaming world the jump is almost as good as dodging.

The problem is even if the gears are moving around they are so much slower that MC has such an accuracy advantage they may as well be stationary targets because MC has aone hit one kill thing going on with his weapons plus it is easier to hit four slower moving targets than one fast moving target.

[Squid Lord]

u have no idea how many times jumping has ruined mi spree.....i jump..rocket...i jump...sword...i jump...n00b combo [plasma pistol + assault rifle]...i jump..plasma grenade, and that's also y god invented rolling....it just works...and yes, these r those ALMOST factors

there's a large reason real soldiers of today do this....Roady-Run.....they DO move fast, and they're a smaller target to hit, lessening their chances of being evn grazed by a bullet, and besides that, ur basing his entire arsenal on the H1 Assault Rifle....it's umm....AUTOMATIC, and WONT' BE AS ACCURATE AS UR SAYING. the shotgun he has may b point n shoot...but still, it's a shot gun, not much accuracy or range, and can MC really slap a frag on some1?...only when the game spazes out...[yes i've done it...just ask min PM's if ur wondering, to stay on topic here]

[newjak]

squidlord said:

u have no idea how many times jumping has ruined mi spree.....i jump..rocket...i jump...sword...i jump...n00b combo [plasma pistol + assault rifle]...i jump..plasma grenade, and that's also y god invented rolling....it just works...and yes, these r those ALMOST factors

there's a large reason real soldiers of today do this....Roady-Run.....they DO move fast, and they're a smaller target to hit, lessening their chances of being evn grazed by a bullet, and besides that, ur basing his entire arsenal on the H1 Assault Rifle....it's umm....AUTOMATIC, and WONT' BE AS ACCURATE AS UR SAYING. the shotgun he has may b point n shoot...but still, it's a shot gun, not much accuracy or range, and can MC really slap a frag on some1?...only when the game spazes out...[yes i've done it...just ask min PM's if ur wondering, to stay on topic here]

Yeah rolling is better but in the Halo game it is better than running striaght and if you time it right you avoid all incoming weapons.

The run has aproblem tho and while it may allow them to run as fast as MC they also loose the ability to shoot and the AR is quite accurate as it has a scope. Actually now that I think of it does have one I know the BAR did and I'm pretty sure the AR did as well but yeah it by far a more accurate weapon then anything the Gears have on them.

[Squid Lord]

not really, it slows u down when u jump, it makes about a .10 seconds faster [estimating that is], but when u jump it does make u slower in mid-air

yes u can't shoot, but ur still less likely to hit......and please dude, now that i know y ur continuing with this accuracy thing, re-read the first post THE ASSAULT RIFLE FROM HALO 1 IS IN THIS FIGHT AND IT DOES NOT HAVE A SCOPE. if it was from Halo 2, yes, most accurrate thing in this battle, but right now NOT REALLY!

[newjak]

squidlord said:

not really, it slows u down when u jump, it makes about a .10 seconds faster [estimating that is], but when u jump it does make u slower in mid-air

yes u can't shoot, but ur still less likely to hit......and please dude, now that i know y ur continuing with this accuracy thing, re-read the first post THE ASSAULT RIFLE FROM HALO 1 IS IN THIS FIGHT AND IT DOES NOT HAVE A SCOPE. if it was from Halo 2, yes, most accurrate thing in this battle, but right now NOT REALLY!

It has been so long since I played Halo 1 I just thought it did have a scope on it

MC still has a huge advantage in movement and he is still alot more accruate on the run then the gears though he can't zoom in and doesn't have to slow down to aim and fire unlike the gears a huge advantage in this match.

While not having a scope does increase the gears chances it doesn't change my thoughts on the match.

I mean honestly considering that MC can basically run in throwing Frag gernades in the general area over and over and unlike the gernades in gears he can throw them fast and still be really accurate in their use. Take into account he does have the most accurate weapon in the battle with plenty of ammo and can do it on the move and if you think of the area of figthing it isn't even that big a place for MC to run across shooting and his weapon will put the Gears down in a shot or two.

Looking at those advantages its hard for me not to say MC has a really good shot at winning.

What advantages do the Gears have to counter this.

I mean first they have to take his shield down and in reality they only have about two weapons that can do this task with any real effects. The hammer of Dawn and the Torque bow. The Lancers are worthless in this fight and unlike MCs weapon the bows aren't very accurate from afar and have awhile between shots. even the Hammer of Dawn takes a few moments to charge and if someone is shot they have to start over. So MC has the range advantage as well as well as the Movement advantage and a shield that prevents their main weapon the Lancer of being effective at all. So now while their other weapons can beat him they are relying on slower less accurate weapons against a much faster oppenent.

How exactly are they going to overcome these disadvantages again?

[Squid Lord]

u keep on reffering to MC running......the Halo 3 TV commercial is the first time i've seen him run.....ok second, the first wus with a mod, he mostly jogs....unlike the Gears.. most accurate weapon? holy shit no, the AR, as awsome as it IS, it's Halo's version of the AK-47, it may be considerd long range, but u still have to get close to use it. and UNLIKE the bows, it's not effective at a distance.....and yes, the bows r the MOST accurate, because it actually fires where u aim. they don't evn have to hit MC with bow, they have to shoot near him, and the explosion will do him in...not 1, but 2, cause 2 ppl do have it. direct hit with the bow, and he's gone, and there's only one person i can think of that's retarted enuff to run that close.....Cole. the Lancer has way more ammo and rate of fire than the AR also.

i admit that MC can run in and throw a frag, but the Gears can actually get some distance with theirs. and no.....they don't have 2 weapons that can take out his shield....they have 3.....and it's not "special" weapons that can take down his shield, ANY THING CAN. i doubt the shield will COMPLETELY withstand the Lancer, the AR does do something in multiplayer, but not much, but the Lancer has more ammo and a higher rate of fire, and is more accurate [not much, but it is indeed] MC with the range advantage......not really with a basic AK-47 & Shotgun. Movement....MC can move, but so can the gears, but the Gears also have a shitload more mobility, with the ability to duck and cover with EASE. faster?...NOT BY MUCH....he's 7ft, when the Gears r 6ft......NOT MUCH DIFFERENT, he doesn't have freakn' super speed.

wut r their "pistol weapon", the snub or the revolver?....that wusn't mentioned.......


please don't end ur post with a stupid question......u sound extremely ignorant

[newjak]

squidlord said:

u keep on reffering to MC running......the Halo 3 TV commercial is the first time i've seen him run.....ok second, the first wus with a mod, he mostly jogs....unlike the Gears.. most accurate weapon? holy shit no, the AR, as awsome as it IS, it's Halo's version of the AK-47, it may be considerd long range, but u still have to get close to use it. and UNLIKE the bows, it's not effective at a distance.....and yes, the bows r the MOST accurate, because it actually fires where u aim. they don't evn have to hit MC with bow, they have to shoot near him, and the explosion will do him in...not 1, but 2, cause 2 ppl do have it. direct hit with the bow, and he's gone, and there's only one person i can think of that's retarted enuff to run that close.....Cole. the Lancer has way more ammo and rate of fire than the AR also.

i admit that MC can run in and throw a frag, but the Gears can actually get some distance with theirs. and no.....they don't have 2 weapons that can take out his shield....they have 3.....and it's not "special" weapons that can take down his shield, ANY THING CAN. i doubt the shield will COMPLETELY withstand the Lancer, the AR does do something in multiplayer, but not much, but the Lancer has more ammo and a higher rate of fire, and is more accurate [not much, but it is indeed] MC with the range advantage......not really with a basic AK-47 & Shotgun. Movement....MC can move, but so can the gears, but the Gears also have a shitload more mobility, with the ability to duck and cover with EASE. faster?...NOT BY MUCH....he's 7ft, when the Gears r 6ft......NOT MUCH DIFFERENT, he doesn't have freakn' super speed.

wut r their "pistol weapon", the snub or the revolver?....that wusn't mentioned.......


please don't end ur post with a stupid question......u sound extremely ignorant

It looks like MC is jogging but if you notice the difference between how far it takes MC to cover ground compared to the Gears you'll notice it is a big difference so comparitevly yes he does have super speed to the gears.

The AR maybe the AK-47 of Halo but oddly enough it has always been a reliable long range weapon for me in the game. The Lancers may have more ammo and a higher rate of fire but it is also tons weaker than the AR. I think if you put the Lancer in Halo it would be by far the weakest weapon in the game in terms of firepower so I think him charging into guy firing a Lancer or even 3 isn't going to effect his shield that much compared to the Gears who one or two shots are going to put them down.

I also notice you keep thinking the gears are going to completely get the first attacks in with the bows and the Hammer which isn't true as both are slower weapons to aim and fire. I could see MC throwing gernades over in the area and taking down at least one gear if not the whole team in its first volley. Even if he does only take down one or two that puts a very big dent in any chance the gears have. MCs gernades are stronger and have bigger range then the gears gernades he can also throw them faster.

Secondly the Bows aren't that accurate trust me theyt aren't always right on the moeny as a weapon especially against running targets they work well against stationary targets but moving that is different espeically if the person is zig zagging. Because trust me the bow isn't stronger and better aim then the sniper rifle. Plus I don't think the bow is going to take take MC down in one shot unless they can take down a Boomer in one shot maybe take his shield down in one shot but it isn't going to kill him.

MC has the mobility advantage in this fight I don't know how you get that the gears do. Yes they can duck behind stuff but it isn't like MC can't crouch behind most of the items as well and trust me when it comes to moving around things MC mixed with his jumping ability and speed advantage he defently has the mobility advantage.

I mean to the gears MC would basically be a thrasher(speed and jumping) mixed with Raam's damage soak(cause of the shield) and with a weapon that can kill the Gears in a shot or two all the while still moving around like mad.

Plus when MC jumps he would get to look over most of the gears cover and be able to shoot them from behind their little safety walls.

So between a frag barrage that is faster than the Gears can counter possibly taking out their entire team from the begining and someone who can run circles around them while still managing to maintain a great rate of fire with a very effective weapon while the gears are going to mostly have to hide behind things so they can easily be flanked from the sides and even if MC wanted to charge straight ahead he still has a bigger advantage then them because he will have a faster rate if fire with an equally devasting weapon being used against them.

[Squid Lord]

umm.....ofcourse he's going to move faster, HE'S 7FT....the gears r average human, comparing they're normal strides, i shuld hope u see a fuckn' difference! and no.....it wuldn't be super speed....he'd be a step or 2 ahead, nothing more

apparently u don't understand the meaning of AK-47, that meens it's a single shot shotgun.....meaning no long-range. i have kept a steady beat on a buy with the AR, nothing, i've evn fired infront of him so he runs into the bullets...nothing, i don't know how u see an automatic weapon as a long range weapon..it's automatic BECAUSE it loses it's accuracy GREATLY. and y do u think the gears will go down in a single shot, or 2 shots.....that's completely off, sure they'll go down faster, but not THAT FAST, i'll say a full clip to take them out...especially from the AR. wow, weakest weapon, that's completely an understatement on the weapons power, i'd label it on equal terms as the AR, but mayb higher because of the rate of fire and ammo capacity.

plz NOTICE that i haven't mentioned the Hammer in terms of speed or first thing to use. yes they are slower, but they are stronger, wuldn't u say the same about the shotgun? exactly. take them down, ok....there's a reason they can revive eachother. range, hell no, i've had grenades explode quite close to me in Halo, they do bullshit. ok, he'll throw them faster, he'll also lose them faster, u expect the Gears to stand their staring at it and not move?.....u've been comparing them to Elites so far.

ur not good at sniping r u?....for if u were, the bow wuld be one of the most devastating weapons in the game, i have hit a Locust mid roll when they're diving to the side, it's not too difficult. wow, u obviously HAVEN'T used the bow on a Boomer have u?...they do indeed take them down in one shot....and besides, the bow impaling things gives it the properties of a plasma grenade, a plasma DOES take down MC in a single explosion...this wuld do the same. but evn if it doesn't, there's a reason there's 2 ppl with it isn't there....

like the gears don't jump over the wall they're hiding behind? like the gears stand in a single spot while being fired upon? no, they can actually dive out of the way of things RUN not slowly walk, while squated....it's called the "roady-run"....MC can run and jump and squat...blind fire? no....that'll help him, but he can't

excuse me?...damage soak....RAAM's shield nulls out ALL damage, not just "some". and yes, he can jump....but wut does CHAINSAW meen to u?....bladed bow?...plain beat down?....if nothing...wow

flanked?...the gears were built to move and avoid fire and still kill things, flanking will do shit....and u just contridicted urself, first u agree with me that the Lancer has a higher rate of fire, and now u say that MC has the greater rate of fire....wtf mate?

[newjak]

squidlord said:

umm.....ofcourse he's going to move faster, HE'S 7FT....the gears r average human, comparing they're normal strides, i shuld hope u see a fuckn' difference! and no.....it wuldn't be super speed....he'd be a step or 2 ahead, nothing more

apparently u don't understand the meaning of AK-47, that meens it's a single shot shotgun.....meaning no long-range. i have kept a steady beat on a buy with the AR, nothing, i've evn fired infront of him so he runs into the bullets...nothing, i don't know how u see an automatic weapon as a long range weapon..it's automatic BECAUSE it loses it's accuracy GREATLY. and y do u think the gears will go down in a single shot, or 2 shots.....that's completely off, sure they'll go down faster, but not THAT FAST, i'll say a full clip to take them out...especially from the AR. wow, weakest weapon, that's completely an understatement on the weapons power, i'd label it on equal terms as the AR, but mayb higher because of the rate of fire and ammo capacity.

plz NOTICE that i haven't mentioned the Hammer in terms of speed or first thing to use. yes they are slower, but they are stronger, wuldn't u say the same about the shotgun? exactly. take them down, ok....there's a reason they can revive eachother. range, hell no, i've had grenades explode quite close to me in Halo, they do bullshit. ok, he'll throw them faster, he'll also lose them faster, u expect the Gears to stand their staring at it and not move?.....u've been comparing them to Elites so far.

ur not good at sniping r u?....for if u were, the bow wuld be one of the most devastating weapons in the game, i have hit a Locust mid roll when they're diving to the side, it's not too difficult. wow, u obviously HAVEN'T used the bow on a Boomer have u?...they do indeed take them down in one shot....and besides, the bow impaling things gives it the properties of a plasma grenade, a plasma DOES take down MC in a single explosion...this wuld do the same. but evn if it doesn't, there's a reason there's 2 ppl with it isn't there....

like the gears don't jump over the wall they're hiding behind? like the gears stand in a single spot while being fired upon? no, they can actually dive out of the way of things RUN not slowly walk, while squated....it's called the "roady-run"....MC can run and jump and squat...blind fire? no....that'll help him, but he can't

excuse me?...damage soak....RAAM's shield nulls out ALL damage, not just "some". and yes, he can jump....but wut does CHAINSAW meen to u?....bladed bow?...plain beat down?....if nothing...wow

flanked?...the gears were built to move and avoid fire and still kill things, flanking will do shit....and u just contridicted urself, first u agree with me that the Lancer has a higher rate of fire, and now u say that MC has the greater rate of fire....wtf mate?

OK I'm not talking about height speed I'm actually talking about spped forward running which MC is alot better than and the Gears only catch up do to the turbo run they have but MC is still like 1.5 times faster if you ask me and in Video Game terms yes that is huge.

The AR useless in Halo because for it to kill someone it first had to run down the shield and health against a Gear it's completely different cause their is no shield to save them and yes the AR is a ton stronger then the Lancer. A Lancer is damage wise the weakest weapon in the game behind that horrible pistol you start with. The AR's damage is actually quite good compartively speaking. If you stand infront of a guy with the AR and unload a full round into them they are gonna die most of the tougher enemies in Gears aren't the same with the Lancer. Yes MC would be a tougher enemy like the Boomers(Becuase of the shield). So yes the AR tougher than the Lancer by many times.

Yet if you land on top of a gernade you finished in one explosion in Halo and standing a good 3 feet away you'll your entire shield. Once again if MC was fighting another MC it wouldn't be effective but anything that puts the shield down on MC would kill a Gear easily because their damage soak was terrible.

I'm actually a great sniper man..why do you think in Gears I chose three weapons that contain less ammo and less rounds per clip in the Boom Gun, Longshot, and the Revolver. In Halo my motto is one shot one kill and no more than two because I'm actually a very good sniper.
The tourque bow can be but only against slower moving targets like the average enemy and boomers. Against things like Thrashers that were a long way away quick shooting was tough. In the game it can be good if you have time to sit their pull it back and aim whilenot being shot at for any real length of time. MC is going to be constantly firing at them not giving them the time to do this and yes he can move that fast and fire in different directions that fast unless you haven't play on look sensitivity 10. Using the Bow against someone with a speed advantage and can fire at you faster is going to be tougher to fire at then a stupid Locust Drone who is slow and you can wait already drawn to shoot once they come out of ocver or is preoccupied with another guy.

The gears whole style of play is playing straight on aganist people hence why all the levels are designed almost straight forward where the enemies are all coming from one direction or area. MC can move and flank them better where the brick wall becomes useless and blind fire sucked especially for the weapons they need to be using.

I was talking more of the fact that it takes how many Longshot hits to kill him when I said damage soak....The Chainsaw isn't better than the Sword or the Shotgun in close range far from it and by the time they reared back the chainsaw MC would already beat them down if it got that close or switch to shotgun and just clean house on the spot.

By the way I didn't contraidct myself I said yes the Lancer may have the higher rate of fire(not that it matters) but MC would have the firing rate advantage because the gears are only going to be able to use the slower weapons to hurt MC

[Squid Lord]

actually his height has EVRYTHING to do with his speed, do u think he wuld be moving that fast if he wus 3ft tall.....HELL NO. yes i know it's huge, i shuld know, i've modded Halo, it makes a hell of a difference. but the main reason in all it's entirety that MC can remotely move at the speed he does is his height.

the AR is useless period against the gears as well, not only is it the accuracy of an AK47, but it's the strength of it too! Weakest weapon?....hell no, the 3-shot weapon is....i prefer the Lancer over ne thing else in the game. Like mi ass, u'll kill them by unloading a clip...that takes down their shield, and as u said, something to take down their shield will kill them......that gives them ample time to do wut-ev the hell they want. since the Lancer has a higher rate of fire with more ammo, it's more than likely to take down his shield, and then with more ammo left over, kill MC period. ok, he's only tougher because of the shield?....we'll take care of that with the bow, then gun him down with the lancers or pistols or just get the other person with the bow shoot again.

once again.....there's a reason the gears can DIVE out of the way.....they're not gonna stare at the grenade and call it a shiny rock....they're gonna get the hell outta there!

Snipers r um.....good shots....it doesn't matter how fast they can kill some1, or how many shots they'll kill some1 in [besides, the Longshot doesn't always kill things in one shot...sometimes u gotta get rid of their helmet]......u must be good at aiming to be a good sniper. ur kidding me right?......i've hit ppl mid-dive with the bow, i've hit wretches when they zig-zag [yes i wuld waste the ammo on them]. ok, he won't give them time when they're staring at him and aiming....that's y they can duck behind the wall, and charge it, THEN point and shoot. ok, he can look in different directions fast....doesn't meen he's gonna hit evrything he's staring at, especially with a basic AK-47. and yes, i do play with it on 10. u think the drones sit and take the pain? hell no, they actually move around. especially on higher difficulties, the drones wait for nothing.

playing straight on against ppl huh?.....ur describing MC as running in guns ablaze throwing grenades. that sounds pretty straight on. i can't find a shooter where all the levels are straight forward. games that don't have straightforward levels are RPG's and Adventure games, wich neither GoW or Halo are. u've nvr been flanked in GoW?....that's wierd, they always try to make ur cover do nothing to protect u. ofcourse blind fire sux, ur shooting and not aiming at all, that's y we don't use weapons that require accuracy to be affective.

MC doesn't have a sword in this fight........the shot gun is better, but it's not stopping them from using it.....u evr see how a plasma grenade goes right by the shield.....physical contact is what that is, a chainsaw is also physical contact, all they really need to do is damage MC's little backpack thing, then he'll die of heat exhaustion. sure they'll get beat down, they can be revived, shotgun, no defense really at that kind of range, but the chainsaw doesn't take long at all ot rev, it's near instant.

EVRYTHING CAN HURT HIM, he's not invulnerable to certain weapons, so u can't leave it at "slower" weapons working on him....anything will have effect, anything can kill him, he may be genetically enhanced, but he's still human, and a single person.

[newjak]

squidlord said:

actually his height has EVRYTHING to do with his speed, do u think he wuld be moving that fast if he wus 3ft tall.....HELL NO. yes i know it's huge, i shuld know, i've modded Halo, it makes a hell of a difference. but the main reason in all it's entirety that MC can remotely move at the speed he does is his height.

the AR is useless period against the gears as well, not only is it the accuracy of an AK47, but it's the strength of it too! Weakest weapon?....hell no, the 3-shot weapon is....i prefer the Lancer over ne thing else in the game. Like mi ass, u'll kill them by unloading a clip...that takes down their shield, and as u said, something to take down their shield will kill them......that gives them ample time to do wut-ev the hell they want. since the Lancer has a higher rate of fire with more ammo, it's more than likely to take down his shield, and then with more ammo left over, kill MC period. ok, he's only tougher because of the shield?....we'll take care of that with the bow, then gun him down with the lancers or pistols or just get the other person with the bow shoot again.

once again.....there's a reason the gears can DIVE out of the way.....they're not gonna stare at the grenade and call it a shiny rock....they're gonna get the hell outta there!

Snipers r um.....good shots....it doesn't matter how fast they can kill some1, or how many shots they'll kill some1 in [besides, the Longshot doesn't always kill things in one shot...sometimes u gotta get rid of their helmet]......u must be good at aiming to be a good sniper. ur kidding me right?......i've hit ppl mid-dive with the bow, i've hit wretches when they zig-zag [yes i wuld waste the ammo on them]. ok, he won't give them time when they're staring at him and aiming....that's y they can duck behind the wall, and charge it, THEN point and shoot. ok, he can look in different directions fast....doesn't meen he's gonna hit evrything he's staring at, especially with a basic AK-47. and yes, i do play with it on 10. u think the drones sit and take the pain? hell no, they actually move around. especially on higher difficulties, the drones wait for nothing.

playing straight on against ppl huh?.....ur describing MC as running in guns ablaze throwing grenades. that sounds pretty straight on. i can't find a shooter where all the levels are straight forward. games that don't have straightforward levels are RPG's and Adventure games, wich neither GoW or Halo are. u've nvr been flanked in GoW?....that's wierd, they always try to make ur cover do nothing to protect u. ofcourse blind fire sux, ur shooting and not aiming at all, that's y we don't use weapons that require accuracy to be affective.

MC doesn't have a sword in this fight........the shot gun is better, but it's not stopping them from using it.....u evr see how a plasma grenade goes right by the shield.....physical contact is what that is, a chainsaw is also physical contact, all they really need to do is damage MC's little backpack thing, then he'll die of heat exhaustion. sure they'll get beat down, they can be revived, shotgun, no defense really at that kind of range, but the chainsaw doesn't take long at all ot rev, it's near instant.

EVRYTHING CAN HURT HIM, he's not invulnerable to certain weapons, so u can't leave it at "slower" weapons working on him....anything will have effect, anything can kill him, he may be genetically enhanced, but he's still human, and a single person.

Basically you said so yourself he is faster who cares if you believe it is from height or not...

I looked in the strategy book and the Lancer is the weakest weapon in the game by far trust me its stats are all very low the onlt reason it is any good is becuase of the chainsaw. The Locust machine gun is actually a lot better than the Lancer in terms of damage. So yeah the AR is better damage wise just based on the fact it can completely take MC's shield down and kill him while I don't see the :Lancer being able to take half his shield down with a full round if that. Once again the Gears aren't lasting against even a few shots from the AR its just so much tougher than the basic weapons they go up against. The AR actually has a good deal of damage and if you believe that a Lancer full clip is taking down MC when it can't even do that to a Boomer is just wrong

The Gears are automatically diving away from teh gernades just like that huh amazing how jumping away with a faster guy doesn't help that much with a well placed gernade.... I mean they can dive out of the way all they want but even if the blast would only take down MC's shield that is enough to put down a Gear and if his teammates were within any distance to help they would be taken out as well and if they weren't they would be sitting ducks trying to get to them because another gernade would take them out.

Yeah snipers have good aim and that was what I was implying with the quote as it takes a head shot to kill someone in one hit and two just hitting the guy with the Sniper rifle in Halo meaning that I have good aim. So don't lecture me on accuracy I make most people look foolish in aiming. The Torque Bow is alright but not nearly as good as your stating and requres the ability to be steady and have a clear target and they are used on oppenents that aren't even close to MC in ability to fireback and move like he can.

I wasn't saying MC had the sword what I said is the chainsaw isn't better then the sword or shotugn and would be lucky to make it past his sheild because actually energy based weapons actually work better on it thats why when you dual weild its always better to have one energy and one human weapon. So the energy takes the shield down faster while the human weapon does the damage after it is gone.... Anyways the chainsaw isn't beating MC in one swipe even two I say it would take at least three if not more and MC's beat down is faster and more deadly.

Ok you've admitted he is faster and a good Halo Player can pull out almost anything the Gears can do for coverine excpet for actually putting his back against the wall. By the way you make it sound like MC would be standing out in the open just letting himself shot. Tell me how hard it is to hit a faster person on the fly with one shot and expect that to be the one that puts him down when he is going to be running around hiding behind things and he is faster again a big advantage and it's not like they are starting that far apart I mean did you read where it is at its not like MC has to go far to get close to begin with and its not like his AR is trying to be used like a sniper rifle I think you need to start taking these into account.

In the end MC can hide duck even if they do get his shield down so it recharges in case they do get that one lucky bow shot and its not like is is standing still waiting for them to shoot. He will be moving around to the sides the distance isn't as great as you think and MC a faster person with much better aiming abilities isn't exactly going to let himself stay in open to give them clear shots thats not a good Halo player does.

Basically MC should be able to close the distance fast and between going behind things and tossing gernades and the fact the Gears aren't nearly as tough MC should get he majority



Oh and just to stat this we need someone else to come in here and tell us what they think because we're kinda going in circles right now

[Squid Lord]

u know.......since we're just going in circles......we shuld just call this a tie.....

we're the only ppl debating, so this shuld just end, just make a post in bold, underline, and italics and in size 10 font saying "TIE!" if u agree, then i will

[newjak]

squidlord said:

u know.......since we're just going in circles......we shuld just call this a tie.....

we're the only ppl debating, so this shuld just end, just make a post in bold, underline, and italics and in size 10 font saying "TIE!" if u agree, then i will

TIE

[Squid Lord]

TIE

it was good doing business with you newjak

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

And thus it ends, we will have to make another soon.

[newjak]

squidlord said:

TIE

it was good doing business with you newjak

you to Squid Lord

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

newjak said:

squidlord said:

TIE

it was good doing business with you newjak

you to Squid Lord

What about me?

[Squid Lord]

admin said:

newjak said:

you to Squid Lord

What about me?

things i culd say right now shuld only be said in the member bash thread ;D