Elfen Lied FFA

[Dja Majista]

Lucy, Nana, and 35 (I forget her name) duke it out.
The setting is a graveyard surrounded by trees. This is the same place Lucy and Nana first fought.
The terms are, if any of the Dicloniuses lose control of their vectors they are incapacitated and therefore lose. I'm obviously making this provision in regards to Nana, who probably would not kill if presented with the opportunity.
Additionally, only Lucy knows that Nana has her special ability. 35 will have to be in the dark.

This should make for a good fight.
Round one start!

[darthrevan]

I believe Mariko (35) will start off doing well because she has amazing reach, and a large amount of vectors. Her inexperience and dumbness are what's going to make her lose. She will be playing with one of them, and this will give one of the other ones the opportunity to strike back. This will probably be Lucy because will she would not hesitate for her chance to attack (like when she took off Nana's leg). Lucy will probably be able to take out Mariko once she learns enough about her abilities. She just has a lot more experience, and intelligence. It will end up being a fight between Lucy and Nana. Nana may have longer vectors, but Lucy has a lot of things to through out of Nana's reach. With a hit from a flying object, Lucy will get her chance to approach Nana. Once Lucy's vectors are in range it will be all over because it will then shift to power and speed (which Lucy has). Also, Nana's kindness will probably hurt herself. If your in a fight to the death you can not hesitate. I don't know if she would, but who knows what will happen.

[Dja Majista]

darthrevan said:

I believe Mariko (35) will start off doing well because she has amazing reach, and a large amount of vectors. Her inexperience and dumbness are what's going to make her lose. She will be playing with one of them, and this will give one of the other ones the opportunity to strike back. This will probably be Lucy because will she would not hesitate for her chance to attack (like when she took off Nana's leg). Lucy will probably be able to take out Mariko once she learns enough about her abilities. She just has a lot more experience, and intelligence. It will end up being a fight between Lucy and Nana. Nana may have longer vectors, but Lucy has a lot of things to through out of Nana's reach. With a hit from a flying object, Lucy will get her chance to approach Nana. Once Lucy's vectors are in range it will be all over because it will then shift to power and speed (which Lucy has). Also, Nana's kindness will probably hurt herself. If your in a fight to the death you can not hesitate. I don't know if she would, but who knows what will happen.

She definitely won't hesitate to get rid of Lucy's vector's though.
That's the thing. Nana has a relative ease of victory.
Honestly, I agree with your assessment mostly. Mariko is liable to be overconfident, and do something rash. But I can't really leave it at "she's gonna lose, no contest." After all, she is undoubtedly the most powerful diclonius in the anime bar-none. Each of her vectors are as strong as Lucy's, that and they extend much further. To that end, she's likely to blow off Lucy's projectiles like they were nothing. Additionally, I doubt a direct attack will work on 35 at all, no matter the circumastances. A: she has an innate ability (as do all dicloniuses) to detect when another of her species is close.) In other words Lucy or Nana probably wouldn't want to sneak up on her. And B: if they did, she most certainly will be inclined to man handle them both, as she is no doubt capable. On top of this we've never actually seen Mariko angry. If she was to go out of control for whatever reason, everything within eleven meters (give or take ) will be annihilated instantly. after that eleven meters will effectively become her "circle of death" if you will, rendering her invincible.
In short don't fight her head on. Don't piss her off. And don't try to throw stuff at her, as she will likely be pissed off. Instead wait until her overconfidence kicks in, and wait until she gets close. At that point either Lucy or Nana will have a solid chance of winning. Nana obviously uses her "no more vectors" trick. and Lucy will probably just have to inflict pain on her while she kills her (redundant I know but I have reasons for saying that). Essentially if you inflict pain on mariko she can't use her vectors. So killing her is quite easy after you've already started.
Ok so, it's probably safe to assume that if anyone besides 35 wins, 35 will have to be the first to go (she probably wouldn't be content with letting the other two duke it out and them leaving her out of the action.)
So I'll just say 35 wins 6/10.

now for Lucy and Nana things are obviously a lot more evenly matched. They have just as many vectors; Nana's are longer; Lucy's are stronger. And neither of them are very dumb.
Ok so Lucy has projectiles, something that Nana probably wouldn't resort to using. So in the reach game, Lucy will likely be as aggressive as Nana is evasive. There's almost no doubt in my mind however that Nana can dodge and repel everything Lucy dishes out. Lucy can effectively throw four objects. Nana has four vectors. Chances are they will manage to help her dodge or redirect Lucy's projectiles away from her. With that, I'll say the range game will probably end and revert to a clash of vectors what with all the previous stalemating.
Two possibilities here: Nana gets rid of her vectors and the battle ends like that. Or Lucy manages to deliver a blow with a thrown object (which may very well happen eventually). She then moves in for the kill...
The question here is, will she kill her instantly? or will she take her time? both are fair possibilities, she's easily the most experienced diclonius so she's less likely to do something that would leave her vulnerable. But she's also got a soft spot for cruelty. and remember, nana can use her vectors while she's in pain. So if all of Lucy's vectors are occupied throttling their next victim, Nana will have an opening.
In the Lucy vs Nana battle, I give it to Nana 7/10.

[darthrevan]

Watch 13 minutes into episode 2. You will see that somehow Lucy was able to hold up to about 15 different objects at once. So, that will make it even difficult for Nana to dodge. Also, Lucy's cruelty will give her another advantage. If she sees that she is not able to win in a certain area, then she will move to another area. This area will probably be more crowded with people. Nana will shift her focus to saving the people. Lucy will then use that to advantage, and kill Nana. It will be like the same event when Mayu ran up, and Lucy took off Nana's arms and legs.

[Dja Majista]

Also, Lucy's cruelty will give her another advantage. If she sees that she is not able to win in a certain area, then she will move to another area. This area will probably be more crowded with people. Nana will shift her focus to saving the people. Lucy will then use that to advantage, and kill Nana. It will be like the same event when Mayu ran up, and Lucy took off Nana's arms and legs.

No see that's one reason I limited their area to an empty graveyard. That way there are no bars held on Nana, and Lucy has her projectiles. But provided that contingency did occur, Nana would definitely lose. I agree.
That's not the case though.

darthrevan said:

Watch 13 minutes into episode 2. You will see that somehow Lucy was able to hold up to about 15 different objects at once. So, that will make it even difficult for Nana to dodge.

fair enough.
Alright, Lucy has three ways of killing her so far.
1. projectiles projectiles projectiles.
2. straight up clash of vectors.
3. projectile to KO followed by moving in to kill her with vectors.

method #1 is obviously her best shot. Nana would hardly be able to approach, let alone dodge all 15 projectiles that Lucy could pick up. and she wouldn't have anything to fight back with with the exception of maybe the occasional projectile of her own. This method, Lucy wins 9/10

method #2 is a more evenly matched approach. Lucy is watching all of nana's vectors, which makes her less susceptible to Nana's special. She has the upper hand in strength, while Nana has the upper hand provided she mantains her ideal distance.
This method is effectively a tie as both of them have equal chances of winning.

method #3 gives Nana a surprising advantage as I discussed. After Nana has apparently been KOd, Lucy will undoubtedly take her time with the killing process. From what we've seen however, Nana is an extremely resilient diclonius. She's taken the most beatings and still manages to come out and incapacitate her opponent. If Lucy is busy killing Nana, Nana's vector's will have the perfect opportunity to work their magic.
Nana wins here 8/10

Alright, there you have my assessment on winning chances for each method. But which approach is Lucy most likely to take? Method 1 and method 2 are not very characteristic of her in all honesty. Method 1, while it does accurately express her intelligence and prudence in battle, it completely ignores Lucy's desire to be cruel. Ultimately, Lucy is unlikely to be obliged to kill with such hands-off means, nor would she likely see the reason in it. Method 2 on the other hand is almost completely uncharacteristic of her. In her fight with nana in the anime, upon realizing Nana's range advantage, she immediately changed her tactics to projectile methods. Lucy does not have a spirit of competition and she's not at all concerned with fair fights. So while method 2 may start the battle, Lucy will certainly not allow it to continue. Method 3 however is the most characteristic of Lucy. She's intelligent. So she will likely excercise enough prudence to use a projectile just to knock Nana out. But she's cruel so it's very characteristic of her to go in and finish the job with her own vectors. That, and since Nana appears defenseless, she really wouldn't see a reason not to. After Nana throws her surprise attack however, Lucy's imprudence will become painfully obvious to her.
I stand by the "Nana wins 7/10".


nice avy sig combo btw.
what's it from?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

darthrevan said:

Watch 13 minutes into episode 2. You will see that somehow Lucy was able to hold up to about 15 different objects at once. So, that will make it even difficult for Nana to dodge. Also, Lucy's cruelty will give her another advantage. If she sees that she is not able to win in a certain area, then she will move to another area. This area will probably be more crowded with people. Nana will shift her focus to saving the people. Lucy will then use that to advantage, and kill Nana. It will be like the same event when Mayu ran up, and Lucy took off Nana's arms and legs.

Digging the new avatar and sig, I saw both your parents tonight when I went to the end of the year party for the fighting class. I saw Da Masta do the horse stance. I saw the Thomas' over at the other building where they played Dirty Santa, Joe even came!

[Dja Majista]

admin said:

darthrevan said:

Watch 13 minutes into episode 2. You will see that somehow Lucy was able to hold up to about 15 different objects at once. So, that will make it even difficult for Nana to dodge. Also, Lucy's cruelty will give her another advantage. If she sees that she is not able to win in a certain area, then she will move to another area. This area will probably be more crowded with people. Nana will shift her focus to saving the people. Lucy will then use that to advantage, and kill Nana. It will be like the same event when Mayu ran up, and Lucy took off Nana's arms and legs.

Digging the new avatar and sig, I saw both your parents tonight when I went to the end of the year party for the fighting class. I saw Da Masta do the horse stance. I saw the Thomas' over at the other building where they played Dirty Santa, Joe even came!

wow
are you serious? was this some kind of dream?

[darthrevan]

I see. Nana's win ratio will be higher most of the time, but the thing is they are in a real location. They will be causing a lot of comotion, which police officers will not ignore. Lucy will use this to her advantage as I said before. If not for that, then Nana's chances of winning are higher than Lucy's most of the time.

Lucy can also have a surprise attack. After Nana learns that Nyu is like a different person, she won't attack her in the show. In the OVA they almost become friends. If Lucy were to hit her head with Nana in the area, she could kill Nana before Nana realize the switch.

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thanks
Its Ulquiorra Schiffer from Bleach

[Dja Majista]

darthrevan said:

I see. Nana's win ratio will be higher most of the time, but the thing is they are in a real location. They will be causing a lot of comotion, which police officers will not ignore. Lucy will use this to her advantage as I said before. If not for that, then Nana's chances of winning are higher than Lucy's most of the time.

Lucy can also have a surprise attack. After Nana learns that Nyu is like a different person, she won't attack her in the show. In the OVA they almost become friends. If Lucy were to hit her head with Nana in the area, she could kill Nana before Nana realize the switch.

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thanks
Its Ulquiorra Schiffer from Bleach

yeah situationally, Lucy can definitely win... mostly because she's basically just a dick.
But as for Nyu changing to Lucy, remember this is FFA. She'll be stuck as Nyu for whatever duration 35 is alive.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

damasta said:

admin said:

Digging the new avatar and sig, I saw both your parents tonight when I went to the end of the year party for the fighting class. I saw Da Masta do the horse stance. I saw the Thomas' over at the other building where they played Dirty Santa, Joe even came!

wow
are you serious? was this some kind of dream?

No, maybe he can come on and confirm it for me.

[darthrevan]

My parents actually saw you too.

[Dja Majista]

You saw me do the horse stance... ok so it must have been a video.

[Sinistrous]

admin said:

damasta said:

wow
are you serious? was this some kind of dream?

No, maybe he can come on and confirm it for me.

aye, maybe he could

[Dja Majista]

Joseph who wins? You're the last one here minus Alex who's educated on elfen lied.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

damasta said:

You saw me do the horse stance... ok so it must have been a video.

It's always gotta be about you doesn't it?

[Sinistrous]

I guess I could see it going either way really. It would probably boil down to a fight between the main character and that little girl in the wheelchair though. Both have their advantages and due to the nature of the species (can detect their own kind in some sort of telepathic way, vectors can block high speed projectiles and are relatively freeform outside of range limitations, etc) either character could come out on top depending on who deploys the knight when the other sends a pawn. Hell, that other girl could win too, since she has that technique that can disable the other characters vectors.

Suffice to say, I don't really have much riding on this. I guess if pressed, I'd just agree with David (lol).

[darthrevan]

Yes I knew I was right. errr..... maybe.

damasta said:

Joseph who wins? You're the last one here minus Alex who's educated on elfen lied.

Not anymore. Mr. Alucard here knows quite a lot about Elfen Lied. Has Alex even finished it? Well, have you Alex.

[Dja Majista]

nocturneinbm said:

I guess I could see it going either way really. It would probably boil down to a fight between the main character and that little girl in the wheelchair though. Both have their advantages and due to the nature of the species (can detect their own kind in some sort of telepathic way, vectors can block high speed projectiles and are relatively freeform outside of range limitations, etc) either character could come out on top depending on who deploys the knight when the other sends a pawn. Hell, that other girl could win too, since she has that technique that can disable the other characters vectors.

Suffice to say, I don't really have much riding on this. I guess if pressed, I'd just agree with David (lol).

well said

[Dja Majista]

darthrevan said:

Yes I knew I was right. errr..... maybe.

damasta said:

Joseph who wins? You're the last one here minus Alex who's educated on elfen lied.

Not anymore. Mr. Alucard here knows quite a lot about Elfen Lied. Has Alex even finished it? Well, have you Alex.

oh bueno.