Werewolves vs. Vampires

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Saw this thread in the KMC comic versus section, and I was wondering you guys' take on it, I'm more of a Werewolf/wolfwere man, but I'd have to say in the highest of each form it would be a tie due to the attacks having little effect on each other.

[juggernaut66666]

Going by books. Vampires take this easily.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

juggernaut66666 said:

Going by books. Vampires take this easily.

Depends on the media like I said, I think it would be best to take two fairly even ones and match them. Not so they tie, but so they are of fair rank.

[juggernaut66666]

Well going by underworld werevolves (Lycans) takes this if this is a h2h fight.I think that Underwolrd had a crappy showing on Vampires (except the elders) while in other vampire movies like Queen of the damned or Interview with the vampire they have been shown much more faster and stronger.

Edit: That is why I hate movies like Blade or Buffy because they give low showings to them also the silver and garlic weaknesses pfff

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

juggernaut66666 said:

Well going by underworld werevolves (Lycans) takes this if this is a h2h fight.I think that Underwolrd had a crappy showing on Vampires (except the elders) while in other vampire movies like Queen of the damned or Interview with the vampire they have been shown much more faster and stronger.

I could see the average vampire being faster, but not stronger than the average lycan.

D&D has the greater version of Lycans stronger than the greater version of Vampires. The weakest of both are nothing special, but the strongest are nigh invurnerable with the Lycans being immune to damn near anything, being able to regenerate, and having loads of raw power, the Vampires have many different powers themselves, and more mobility.

[juggernaut66666]

Do werevolves get stronger as they age?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

juggernaut66666 said:

Do werevolves get stronger as they age?

Different parts of the world have different variations, but they don't even really die of natural causes, some of the advanced forms in some media are capable of magic as well. As well as the immunity to normal weapons, heavy resistances to fire, acid, and cold, and great saving throws.

[juggernaut66666]

Well Vampires have been shown to have instant regeneration when they get wounded and some of them also knows magic pretty well and of course the usual showing the older they get the stronger they become some of them he telepathy aswell (Lestat in Interview with the vampire) oh by books their only weaknesses are sunlight and don't forget Akasha(one of the 1st vampires in Queen of the damned) who was able to disintegrade almost anyone.Also going by some books werevolves are vampires servents.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

But their physical prowress aren't on the level of a Lycan, Lycans at higher levels are immune to nearly anything. Vampires have Werewolves serve them because werewolves are generally less about thinking and more about cunning and killing, and they don't care as much. They are usually outnumbered by werewolves however. Which is like I said it depends on the media. I find Greater Wolfweres (Wolf that turns human) and Greater Werewolves to be much stronger. They are also highly resistant/immune to magic, which is something most creatures don't have.

[Dreampanther]

My argument is based on the books I have read (which is what I do every minute I have to spare ), the movies I have seen and the few comics I have read about vampires and werewolves:

Dracula would own any werewolf. In fact, he had power of the "Beasts of the Night" or the children of the night, as he sometimes called them. Not only that - but he could come back from the dead! No werewolf can do that. Granted, physically they are powerful, and their shapeshifting and regenerative/healing factors make them extremely dangerous opponents (which is why they are sometimes referred to as super-predators) but in the end, for them, the most powerful desire is the hunt, the taste of warm flesh and spurting blood. Super sharks with brains!

Vampires, on the other hand, are cold-blooded. Well, in fact, they are no-blooded, since they are dead. Or rather undead. (It's a little confusing.) This is what gives them the edge over werewolves, or wolfweres, which I am not that familiar with, but they seem to be a more powerful form of the werewolf. However, no matter how powerful a werewolf becomes, I really don't - he's not gonna stand a chance against Dracula, the grand-daddy of vampires.

Werewolves are mortal. Oh, granted, it takes a lot to stop them, and in fact, their aggression, speed, strength, ferocious healing/regeneration ability all combine to make them nearly unstoppable - but they can be stopped. It just takes a lot. A lot of damage, combined with the silver... They will, eventually, die.

No werewolf is immortal. They can live much longer than human beings, but no werewolf is immortal. Or can come back from the dead. Or fly. Or turn into mist. Or into a giant bat. Or have hypnotic/ mesmeric/suggestive powers. Or can cast illusions.

Dracula has done all this. Now, since he is the grand-daddy, I'll grant you, he is a lot more powerful than the average-run-of-the-mill vampire, but it doesn't exclude the fact that I would back Dracula, the most powerful of all vampires, against the most powerful werewolf you would care to name.

Dracula would either tear him apart or turn him into one of his servants.

That's my argument and I'm sticking with it!

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

My argument is based on the books I have read (which is what I do every minute I have to spare ), the movies I have seen and the few comics I have read about vampires and werewolves:

I’m trying to use everything I know to be fair. If you are going to use the highest level vampire I’ll use the highest level werewolf.

Dracula would own any werewolf. In fact, he had power of the "Beasts of the Night" or the children of the night, as he sometimes called them. Not only that - but he could come back from the dead! No werewolf can do that. Granted, physically they are powerful, and their shapeshifting and regenerative/healing factors make them extremely dangerous opponents (which is why they are sometimes referred to as super-predators) but in the end, for them, the most powerful desire is the hunt, the taste of warm flesh and spurting blood. Super sharks with brains!

The most powerful werewolf is still physically more stronger and has better defenses. They could come back from the dead but they could still be incapacitated or weakened. Dracula doesn’t have the means to incapacitate or injure a werewolf at it’s highest level, but can still be put down, and even permenantly.

Vampires, on the other hand, are cold-blooded. Well, in fact, they are no-blooded, since they are dead. Or rather undead. (It's a little confusing.) This is what gives them the edge over werewolves, or wolfweres, which I am not that familiar with, but they seem to be a more powerful form of the werewolf. However, no matter how powerful a werewolf becomes, I really don't - he's not gonna stand a chance against Dracula, the grand-daddy of vampires.

I know what undead are like, they can be taken down but they usually require other means to destroy them, that’s no different than a werewolf. There aren’t many famous ones but the Coldblooded won’t make a difference to the werewolf, only forcing it to fight smarter.

Werewolves are mortal. Oh, granted, it takes a lot to stop them, and in fact, their aggression, speed, strength, ferocious healing/regeneration ability all combine to make them nearly unstoppable - but they can be stopped. It just takes a lot. A lot of damage, combined with the silver... They will, eventually, die.

But the highest ones regenerate so quickly that vampires just have a hard time accomplishing that with what they have. Vampires take less to put down, but a special mean to stop them. A werewolf would only revert back to a human.

No werewolf is immortal. They can live much longer than human beings, but no werewolf is immortal. Or can come back from the dead. Or fly. Or turn into mist. Or into a giant bat. Or have hypnotic/ mesmeric/suggestive powers. Or can cast illusions.

But the highest levels are immune to magic and can see through the illusions.

Dracula has done all this. Now, since he is the grand-daddy, I'll grant you, he is a lot more powerful than the average-run-of-the-mill vampire, but it doesn't exclude the fact that I would back Dracula, the most powerful of all vampires, against the most powerful werewolf you would care to name.

Dracula’s just uber popular and will always come back like any villain. Wolverine comes up with new powers all the time.

Dracula would either tear him apart or turn him into one of his servants.

It’d most likely be a tie.

That's my argument and I'm sticking with it!

Bah, mortal!

[Dreampanther]

admin said:

My argument is based on the books I have read (which is what I do every minute I have to spare ), the movies I have seen and the few comics I have read about vampires and werewolves:

I’m trying to use everything I know to be fair. If you are going to use the highest level vampire I’ll use the highest level werewolf.

If you give me a link to the most powerful werewolf you know of, I can go check it out myself. Or does this all-powerful werewolf only exist in your imagination?

The most powerful werewolf is still physically more stronger and has better defenses. They could come back from the dead but they could still be incapacitated or weakened. Dracula doesn’t have the means to incapacitate or injure a werewolf at it’s highest level, but can still be put down, and even permenantly.

NO, NO NO! Exactly the opposite is true! werewolves CAN'T come back from the dead! Vampires CAN! Dammit!

I know what undead are like, they can be taken down but they usually require other means to destroy them, that’s no different than a werewolf. There aren’t many famous ones but the Coldblooded won’t make a difference to the werewolf, only forcing it to fight smarter.

Ha ha, werewolves can't fight smart - they are too blood crazy. Vampires, in the other hand, are brilliant, with no emotions or rages (like werewolves - ha ha, take that!) to get in the way of their plans - therfore they are smarter fighters!

But the highest ones regenerate so quickly that vampires just have a hard time accomplishing that with what they have. Vampires take less to put down, but a special mean to stop them. A werewolf would only revert back to a human.

A ha! (Damn, i have to stop saying A ha!) Anyways - A ha! Now I've got you. Vampires take AT LEAST as much to put down as werewolves. And they can fly, and Dracula himself could turn intangible. This gives them a definite edge in a fight. And seeing they do not turn back into human form when they pick up a lot of damage, they do not become vulnerable either - while werewolves do! And vampires do not need to regenerate - because they are already dead! This means they have much more endurance and stamina than a werewolf does - because while a werewolf might have a much higher endurance and stamina factor than a human, a werewolf is still mortal - which means it will need to replenish it's energy, and it can bedome tired - and it can be killed!

Vampires, because they are dead, do not suffer from these weaknesses. So whê. ;D

But the highest levels are immune to magic and can see through the illusions.

Okay, I'll give you that

Dracula’s just uber popular and will always come back like any villain.

That's my point - Dracula is immortal. Werewolves aren't. Therefore it is plausible that Dracula might be able to come back - while werewolves can't. ;D

Wolverine comes up with new powers all the time.

If you're gonna start with Wolverine then I'm gonna start with Spider-Man, or something.

It’d most likely be a tie.

Yeah, a neck-tie for the werewolf - as Dracula hangs him up on his wall to use him as a discussion piece for his dinner guests

That's my argument and I'm sticking with it!

Bah, mortal!

Again, allow me to point out the fallacy in your assumptions: WEREWOLVES are mortal. DRACULA is IMMORTAL.

He he. ;D

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[The Big Daddy C-Master]

dreampanther said:

admin said:

If you give me a link to the most powerful werewolf you know of, I can go check it out myself. Or does this all-powerful werewolf only exist in your imagination?



NO, NO NO! Exactly the opposite is true! werewolves CAN'T come back from the dead! Vampires CAN! Dammit!




Ha ha, werewolves can't fight smart - they are too blood crazy. Vampires, in the other hand, are brilliant, with no emotions or rages (like werewolves - ha ha, take that!) to get in the way of their plans - therfore they are smarter fighters!



A ha! (Damn, i have to stop saying A ha!) Anyways - A ha! Now I've got you. Vampires take AT LEAST as much to put down as werewolves. And they can fly, and Dracula himself could turn intangible. This gives them a definite edge in a fight. And seeing they do not turn back into human form when they pick up a lot of damage, they do not become vulnerable either - while werewolves do! And vampires do not need to regenerate - because they are already dead! This means they have much more endurance and stamina than a werewolf does - because while a werewolf might have a much higher endurance and stamina factor than a human, a werewolf is still mortal - which means it will need to replenish it's energy, and it can bedome tired - and it can be killed!

Vampires, because they are dead, do not suffer from these weaknesses. So whê. ;D



Okay, I'll give you that



That's my point - Dracula is immortal. Werewolves aren't. Therefore it is plausible that Dracula might be able to come back - while werewolves can't. ;D



If you're gonna start with Wolverine then I'm gonna start with Spider-Man, or something.




Yeah, a neck-tie for the werewolf - as Dracula hangs him up on his wall to use him as a discussion piece for his dinner guests


Bah, mortal!

Again, allow me to point out the fallacy in your assumptions: WEREWOLVES are mortal. DRACULA is IMMORTAL.

He he. ;D

[/quote] Their intangibility DOES leave them suspectable however, they don't have that valued magical resistance/immunity that werewolves have in abundance.

He's immortal until he's killed-much like anything else. Which is like Deadpool, he's immortal, but can still be beaten by Spiderman.

[Dreampanther]

Whê, I voted for vampires. Kicking wolf butt from the grave.

[Syrenna]

I agree 100% with Dreampanther, and very well discussed you guys

[Dreampanther]

Ha ha - see?! Not only beauty, but brains as well ;D Now if only the same could be said about you, C-Master! Ha ha, perhaps tonight I shall smite you...

Meanwhile, I'll exalt Syrenna - at least she's smart enough to agree with me! So whê!

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

dreampanther said:

Whê, I voted for vampires. Kicking wolf butt from the grave.

I voted tie, since they are creatures of creation and have various power levels, a writer could always make one stronger than the other, so this is a coolness argument.

[kuwabara]

were wolfs win. Werewolfs have a clear strength advantage and are faster. They also have there claws which can be used as danagerous weapons. They also heal extremely fast and can take a lot of punishment.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

kuwabara said:

were wolfs win. (c-master I am the one who made that thread in kmc lol) Werewolfs have a clear strength advantage and are faster. They also have there claws which can be used as danagerous weapons. They also heal extremely fast and can take a lot of punishment.

I know you did, but I wasn't sure if you wanted your identity out.

[kuwabara]

admin said:

kuwabara said:

were wolfs win. (c-master I am the one who made that thread in kmc lol) Werewolfs have a clear strength advantage and are faster. They also have there claws which can be used as danagerous weapons. They also heal extremely fast and can take a lot of punishment.

I know you did, but I wasn't sure if you wanted your identity out.

dam thats true lets keep that quite lol

[EsteemedLeader©]

Well, if we're going with the argument that Dracula is the most bad-ass vampire ever, then I have this to say:

Wasn't he killed by an old guy with a bowie knife?

And when a vampire's heart is destroyed, it means death for them. I believe werewolves have consistently shown the ability to, I don't know, maybe...

RIP PEOPLE'S HEARTS OUT AND EAT THEM!!!

Now if this is a war, however, it is an entirely different matter. The vampires will have actual strategy on their side.

But in a 1-on-1 fight between a vampire and a werewolf... well vampire, it sucks to be you.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Agreed. There are tactical werewolves, but they are on the top of the food chain.

[kuwabara]

admin said:

Agreed. There are tactical werewolves, but they are on the top of the food chain.

yes there whole books about them. I find were tiger to be the best. There are all extremely smart and far more powerful then any werewolf. They would destroy a vampire.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

kuwabara said:

admin said:

Agreed. There are tactical werewolves, but they are on the top of the food chain.

yes there whole books about them. I find were tiger to be the best. There are all extremely smart and far more powerful then any werewolf. They would destroy a vampire.

Not a Wolfwere however.

[kuwabara]

admin said:

kuwabara said:

yes there whole books about them. I find were tiger to be the best. There are all extremely smart and far more powerful then any werewolf. They would destroy a vampire.

Not a Wolfwere however.

oh ya I forgot to mention were wolfs powerful ones have taken out were bears and such. were wolf old experienced and intelegent onces would beat even the toughest vampire

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

kuwabara said:

admin said:

Not a Wolfwere however.

oh ya I forgot to mention were wolfs powerful ones have taken out were bears and such. were wolf old experienced and intelegent onces would beat even the toughest vampire

We just need more Werewolf fans, there are smart ones, but they have to train their lives to overcome their lust for flesh to be tactical.

[kuwabara]

admin said:

kuwabara said:

oh ya I forgot to mention were wolfs powerful ones have taken out were bears and such. were wolf old experienced and intelegent onces would beat even the toughest vampire

We just need more Werewolf fans, there are smart ones, but they have to train their lives to overcome their lust for flesh to be tactical.

yes they have to train how ever there are different levels and such some will never over come it,but ones born of high level can easily over come it. It matter what level your born into. though there have been cases of low blooded ones becoming uber powerful

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

kuwabara said:

admin said:

We just need more Werewolf fans, there are smart ones, but they have to train their lives to overcome their lust for flesh to be tactical.

yes they have to train how ever there are different levels and such some will never over come it,but ones born of high level can easily over come it. It matter what level your born into. though there have been cases of low blooded ones becoming uber powerful

It does depend on what you're born into, with werewolves in particular.

[Blaze72]

Vampires.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Oct 16, 2011 7:58:25 GMT -5 Blaze72 said:

Vampires.

Why do you say so?