WHAT!?! No more KMC Comic Versus?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

I was talking to my good mod friend Pr (great guy) and reading some things and found out KMC *might* lose it's comic section. I don't know if it'll actually happen, but the mods are talking about it at the forum. They say the reason is that it's so much trouble for one place, and since most of the mods are OTF, they don't care much for it anyways.


"*attention*

There is a very good chance the Comic Book Versus Forum will be getting closed. It seems there are posters who consider themselves above the rules and immune from any discipline from mods. Well, that's been proved false.

There is also the abuse of the report function. We see reports for posts which there's a disagreement, a smilie is posted, empty accusations of socking or a poster simply has a grudge. People need to have thicker skin around here. If we warned every person who referred to a post as silly or idiotic then everyone but Guy222 would have several warnings. Think before you report. It's not necessary to report the same person 5 times for the same thing.

People also seem to disregard the ignore feature. If you can't agree or get along with a poster then use the ignore. It cuts down on frivolous reports and unnecessary warnings. It's not our fault you don't use the ignore and continue to have the same arguments with the same people. There are DC fans and there are Marvel fans. If you can't get along or agree to disagree then use the ignore function.

It seems that some people can't grasp that when a mod posts in a thread that a certain activity needs to stop then it's to stop. But they will carry on in other threads or continue the next day thinking the cycle starts anew. It doesn't. We post in threads so there are less warnings and bans. But there are posters who can't stop, who use our posts as a way of pointing fingers or as an opportunity to have a go at us. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. But we also aren't infallible in our judgments. If we make a mistake then send a PM or point it out in the thread.

The threads aren't a place to air grievances about a ban or warning. There are PMs and a lot of you have my MSN info. The reason we don't want a big group discussion is that every time it's been tried more people ended up warned or banned because they take it as an opportunity to bash the moderators. Moderators will be more than happy to explain decisions via a PM.

Moderators don't warn or ban without reason or on a whim. The only auto-bans are the usual socks. We have access to reports and notes in a posters profile. We also have a Moderator Forum where we post notes about what's happening in our forums and it's open for other moderators to review. So your opinions on warnings and bans are based on a very narrow view of what has really happened.

We are not here to referee versus threads, choose sides on who started what or ban anyone who some suspects as a sock. If there's a problem with someone breaking the rules then let us deal with it. A lot of the problems occur when people take matters into their own hands.

I hope everybody takes note and reads this post. There is a small percentage of posters who are going to ruin this forum for all. If you like the Comic Book Versus Forum then take steps now to ensure it stays open. Otherwise it will be closed as this forum isn't popular with many other mods. As of right now, my only defense to keep it open is that we get 800 - 900 posts per day."


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Originally posted by Digi
Even minus occasional sock-runs on this forum, the comic vs. forum is responsible for about 90% of the problems generated on KMC. And while it's an active forum, many don't see it as being worth the trouble. If it were put to a full mod vote, my guess is that it would be gone.

That's it in a nutshell.

Might be a good business opportunity here at the least. If you don't get the dummies.

What are your thoughts? I don't think it's necessary to close, but after seeing the banning of 6 KMC vets in a morning over stupidity of their causing (mostly) I can't say I blame them much either, but deleting the busiest non otf forum seems extreme.

[Magic attack]

I saw the thread that Bada made this morning. I saw the posts that Digi made in the Off Topic Thread. It is interesting that the mods let things get this bad and then when the forum is in jeopardy of being removed decide to act. Turning a blind eye to their friends bad behaviors has led them down this path.


Probably the best course of action would be to kill the forum. Let it be gone for about a year or so, then when genuine interest sparks back up bring it back. That would give the trouble makers time to get bored and go elsewhere. But this time put mods on there that would be more apt to enforce the rules fairly.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 18, 2009 17:04:39 GMT -5 Magic attack said:

I saw the thread that Bada made this morning. I saw the posts that Digi made in the Off Topic Thread. It is interesting that the mods let things get this bad and then when the forum is in jeopardy of being removed decide to act. Turning a blind eye to their friends bad behaviors has led them down this path.


Probably the best course of action would be to kill the forum. Let it be gone for about a year or so, then when genuine interest sparks back up bring it back. That would give the trouble makers time to get bored and go elsewhere. But this time put mods on there that would be more apt to enforce the rules fairly.

I can understand where it would be rough, hell all members want friends, even mods and admin. However favorites can't really be played. I know that all too well. If I had a friend work for me or my brother if they caused my business trouble or other employees trouble they'd have to go. Period. Might be for a while, might be for good, but I don't need the headaches.

I haven't had to do really any banning, except Sarah but I've had to put a few "friends" in their place.

I don't know about closing it, it would seem odd, but it might be for the good. This might be more of a "judgment' period than anything, I don't think it's in actual momentum of closing.

[Magic attack]

I am not sure how things will go. We will just have to wait and see.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 18, 2009 17:45:49 GMT -5 Magic attack said:

I am not sure how things will go. We will just have to wait and see.

True, I believe this is to "scare" them into being good kinda like a big warning. I'm sure it was complained about but I don't suspect it's too dire... yet.

Being a marketing student I jump on opportunity like a swine... but would I want all of those big egos floating around... gotta take the good with the bad. I like it laid back myself, but being busy is great. We'll get to that bridge when we cross it I guess.

[Magic attack]

Agreed.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 18, 2009 18:00:49 GMT -5 Magic attack said:

Agreed.

What got me is some of the obvious socks who keep posting and are allowed too, even when they fight frequently. Sure the "judge" and the more annoying ones are gone, but some are so blatantly socks and they still post. It's on other forums too, but those members don't generally cause as much trouble.

[Yoshi]

Honestly, I'm not surprised that the Comic book vs forum might get closed. It's the headquarters for the majority of the bashing that takes place on KMC. Also, it was the place that bred the "famous" socks, i.e. Judge and Whirlysplat.

Most of the people in that forum take things too seriously and almost every thread has a huge argument that goes out of control. Raging fanboys who refuse to believe that their favorite character can be defeated will spew biased nonsense just to annoy other people, but it's all entertainment to me since that's the only reason why I might read some of the threads.

I'm sure that the mods are just "scaring" the frequent posters into being good, but if that doesn't work, then the comic book vs forum will end up being locked. Honestly, it's for the best. Rather than going to a forum and arguing with complete strangers about fictional characters made of ink, the frequent posters would have a chance at getting a life.

Jan 18, 2009 18:05:11 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Jan 18, 2009 18:00:49 GMT -5 Magic attack said:

Agreed.

What got me is some of the obvious socks who keep posting and are allowed too, even when they fight frequently. Sure the "judge" and the more annoying ones are gone, but some are so blatantly socks and they still post. It's on other forums too, but those members don't generally cause as much trouble.

I noticed that, too. I know the true identity of about 4 socks and/or double accounts throughout KMC, but nothing happens when I report them. It's as if some of the mods don't care if banned members come back or not.

My guess is that as long as they aren't causing a huge commotion, then they're allowed to stay. Rather than banning someone who'll come back as soon as the banning takes place, I guess the mods just don't want to deal with that.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 18, 2009 22:30:23 GMT -5 Yoshi said:

Honestly, I'm not surprised that the Comic book vs forum might get closed. It's the headquarters for the majority of the bashing that takes place on KMC. Also, it was the place that bred the "famous" socks, i.e. Judge and Whirlysplat.

Most of the people in that forum take things too seriously and almost every thread has a huge argument that goes out of control. Raging fanboys who refuse to believe that their favorite character can be defeated will spew biased nonsense just to annoy other people, but it's all entertainment to me since that's the only reason why I might read some of the threads.

I'm sure that the mods are just "scaring" the frequent posters into being good, but if that doesn't work, then the comic book vs forum will end up being locked. Honestly, it's for the best. Rather than going to a forum and arguing with complete strangers about fictional characters made of ink, the frequent posters would have a chance at getting a life.

Jan 18, 2009 18:05:11 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

What got me is some of the obvious socks who keep posting and are allowed too, even when they fight frequently. Sure the "judge" and the more annoying ones are gone, but some are so blatantly socks and they still post. It's on other forums too, but those members don't generally cause as much trouble.

I noticed that, too. I know the true identity of about 4 socks and/or double accounts throughout KMC, but nothing happens when I report them. It's as if some of the mods don't care if banned members come back or not.

My guess is that as long as they aren't causing a huge commotion, then they're allowed to stay. Rather than banning someone who'll come back as soon as the banning takes place, I guess the mods just don't want to deal with that.

I'm thinking that too. If anything, even if they "locked" it or something for a week it wouldn't change any behavior, everyone thinks the rules apply to someone else in a forum that big. You'd have to vacate it for like a year or something before people got back to their senses.

Yea people are sensitive. It was ok for them to call me everything under the sun (I didn't generally mind and it was understood) but if I said something like, "That's kind of stupid isn't it?" Bow, I got reported. And although the CvsForum mods are cool with me, some of the other globals didn't have a clue what they were doing and when I asked them where I did all of these wrong things I was never shown them. Not to say I was a lamb. I got down and dirty, but it was never any serious bashing like I see, and it was in return. I made opponents upset so I was the bad guy because they looked bad or inferior.

Don't get me started on the "Ihatec-master" threads. The ones that were there when I was were funny, but people were making them not too long ago and I don't post.

Meh, I dunno, with a lot of members you have more issues, the mods might be too lenient.

[JACK-2]

Having registered on two other big versus forums: CBR and Narutofan. I can honestly say that's how it's always gonna be. The problem of having a forum where anyone can sign up is that anyone will sign up and if it's popular you get even more people signing up. Quality diminshes and any thread with a bit of controversy will start flames. I don't think it's the mods fault, it's just cause and effect. If you've been around the internet you'll notice that kinda of behavior. If you give people an oppurtunity to post their thoughts whilst being anonymous then this is what you will get. I mean at first you'll get a few noobs here and there or some fanboys which is to be expected and they aren't too bad. Then some high level trolls and trouble makers will come in and that's what happens. I think the most they can do is close the forum for a year and hopefully it will cause the trouble makers to go away. But, they'll come back most likely. I dunno if I could be happy with these kinda of personalities around. I'm jaded of heavy traffic forums and mostly enjoy a laid back atmosphere. I guess it would be great for some people who miss big debates, but not me. I've been debating for a while and can honestly say I'm spent.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 19, 2009 5:55:29 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Having registered on two other big versus forums: CBR and Narutofan. I can honestly say that's how it's always gonna be. The problem of having a forum where anyone can sign up is that anyone will sign up and if it's popular you get even more people signing up. Quality diminshes and any thread with a bit of controversy will start flames. I don't think it's the mods fault, it's just cause and effect. If you've been around the internet you'll notice that kinda of behavior. If you give people an oppurtunity to post their thoughts whilst being anonymous then this is what you will get. I mean at first you'll get a few noobs here and there or some fanboys which is to be expected and they aren't too bad. Then some high level trolls and trouble makers will come in and that's what happens. I think the most they can do is close the forum for a year and hopefully it will cause the trouble makers to go away. But, they'll come back most likely. I dunno if I could be happy with these kinda of personalities around. I'm jaded of heavy traffic forums and mostly enjoy a laid back atmosphere. I guess it would be great for some people who miss big debates, but not me. I've been debating for a while and can honestly say I'm spent.

Yea I agree you will have more troubles, but that forum is the only forum that has THAT much trouble and it isn't the largest one there. I agree with you about (hypothetically) this place catching the water as I know so many people there. I in all honestly meant a few of my buds who are just really cool. But then you get so used to having things so smooth and flowing and that's cool too. A good thing with more people is that more intetract. Not just on debates, but on ROleplayes, discussions, or any games. This keeps the activity and post level up nonstop for people who don't even know the other members. Of course that's just hypotheticallly.

I could never imagine myself with a big nursery over here. I would deal with the "issues" a lot sooner as I get to be the final say as well. I think they let the guys off with soooo many warnings. I've seen a lot of threads that the warning didn't just end it and a grade school blame-game started up, making things even worse. Dunno though, there are a few good eggs everywhere too and the bad ones.

I talked to someone and they said the members *still* won't stop.

[JACK-2]

I honestly don't think they ever will stop, it's a Zoo in there and the people are just too rabid. Banning doesn't scare them because people like that will most likely sock. I've seen worst forums, I think OBS in Narutofan is worst. The moderators even joke about it being awful. I think as long as certain people invade forums they will become and remain a handful. I'm gonna de-register from all my major forums, except for this one and a few others. I'm really jaded of the cynicism, hatred and cluster-fu**ing that is rampant through forums. Interacting with people like that can't be good for my mental health. I mean every forum has good and bad eggs. I can tolerate a few fanboys and it can be fun owning them n' all at times [all in good humor]. But, when it gets to the point that many forums have reached and it's not just trolls, but people's behaviors in general. I'm just tired of the :This is the internet and I can do whatever I want or the lying hater games mentality. I can only endure that so much and in a place that's supposed to be a hang out, I lose my patience and interest quick.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 19, 2009 12:03:31 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

I honestly don't think they ever will stop, it's a Zoo in there and the people are just too rabid. Banning doesn't scare them because people like that will most likely sock. I've seen worst forums, I think OBS in Narutofan is worst. The moderators even joke about it being awful. I think as long as certain people invade forums they will become and remain a handful. I'm gonna de-register from all my major forums, except for this one and a few others. I'm really jaded of the cynicism, hatred and cluster-fu**ing that is rampant through forums. Interacting with people like that can't be good for my mental health. I mean every forum has good and bad eggs. I can tolerate a few fanboys and it can be fun owning them n' all at times [all in good humor]. But, when it gets to the point that many forums have reached and it's not just trolls, but people's behaviors in general. I'm just tired of the :This is the internet and I can do whatever I want or the lying hater games. I can only endure that so muc and in a place that's supposed to be a hang out, I lose my patience and interest.

Yea, I don't think they'll stop either, because people think the rules apply to them and only them, which is why I made it such a big deal to have quality members. Guys like Psyquis and whatnot. I'd probably have a few good behaving friends like pr and bada (who is here anyways) come over, probably my old rival jinzin and stuff like that. So it's manageable in levels, and busy enough that I can take care of things without having to make sure people interact. There's a magic number for a forum. Beyond that it gets bad. I wouldn't mind like 10 active (you and Yoshi's activity level) members. That would be about perfect. I don't need 1,000 or anything like that.

Yea you don't have to tell me about the ballswinging, I had a word for that back in the day.

[Yoshi]

Jan 19, 2009 3:13:46 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

I'm thinking that too. If anything, even if they "locked" it or something for a week it wouldn't change any behavior, everyone thinks the rules apply to someone else in a forum that big. You'd have to vacate it for like a year or something before people got back to their senses.

Yea people are sensitive. It was ok for them to call me everything under the sun (I didn't generally mind and it was understood) but if I said something like, "That's kind of stupid isn't it?" Bow, I got reported. And although the CvsForum mods are cool with me, some of the other globals didn't have a clue what they were doing and when I asked them where I did all of these wrong things I was never shown them. Not to say I was a lamb. I got down and dirty, but it was never any serious bashing like I see, and it was in return. I made opponents upset so I was the bad guy because they looked bad or inferior.

Don't get me started on the "Ihatec-master" threads. The ones that were there when I was were funny, but people were making them not too long ago and I don't post.

Meh, I dunno, with a lot of members you have more issues, the mods might be too lenient.

Cases of double standards are always occuring throughout Internet forums. In fact, I found out yesterday about a case of double standards at its worst in the off-topic forum on KMC, but those kinds of things almost always happen there. In fact, I truly thought that the off-topic forum was going to be locked for a while because of some of the events that occured in December 2008. If any of you want to know more, then I'll have no problem telling you about it.

Well, the people who made those hate threads against you must have been socks with grudges since they would hate someone who barely posts at KMC anymore. I don't think anyone at KMC has hatred towards me, but if someone does, then I rather have them tell me directly rather than spreading lies, twisted information, and/or nonsense about me just to seek reassurance from other people. Then again, I wouldn't care if they tell me directly because it wouldn't affect me.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 19, 2009 13:53:18 GMT -5 Yoshi said:

Jan 19, 2009 3:13:46 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

I'm thinking that too. If anything, even if they "locked" it or something for a week it wouldn't change any behavior, everyone thinks the rules apply to someone else in a forum that big. You'd have to vacate it for like a year or something before people got back to their senses.

Yea people are sensitive. It was ok for them to call me everything under the sun (I didn't generally mind and it was understood) but if I said something like, "That's kind of stupid isn't it?" Bow, I got reported. And although the CvsForum mods are cool with me, some of the other globals didn't have a clue what they were doing and when I asked them where I did all of these wrong things I was never shown them. Not to say I was a lamb. I got down and dirty, but it was never any serious bashing like I see, and it was in return. I made opponents upset so I was the bad guy because they looked bad or inferior.

Don't get me started on the "Ihatec-master" threads. The ones that were there when I was were funny, but people were making them not too long ago and I don't post.

Meh, I dunno, with a lot of members you have more issues, the mods might be too lenient.

Cases of double standards are always occuring throughout Internet forums. In fact, I found out yesterday about a case of double standards at it's worst in the off-topic forum on KMC, but those kinds of things almost always happen there. In fact, I truly thought that the off-topic forum was going to be locked for a while because of some of the events that occured in December 2008. If any of you want to know more, then I'll have no problem telling you about it.

Well, the people who made those hate threads against you must have been socks with grudges since they would hate someone who barely posts at KMC anymore. I don't think anyone at KMC has hatred towards me, but if someone does, then I rather have them tell me directly rather than spreading lies, twisted information, and/or nonsense about me just to seek reassurance from other people. Then again, I wouldn't care if they tell me directly because it wouldn't affect me.

Life has double standards as well. You can tell us if you want.

I thought the threads were a laugh riot honestly. Never seen so much reverse ownage in my life, I still read them from time to time.

[JACK-2]

What was it about.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 19, 2009 17:54:52 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

What was it about.

All types of hilarity, I made a thread about it in "Legacy of the C-Master" on this board. lol

[Yoshi]

Can you post the link to the thread? I want to have a good laugh...

Jan 19, 2009 15:35:44 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Life has double standards as well. You can tell us if you want.

I thought the threads were a laugh riot honestly. Never seen so much reverse ownage in my life, I still read them from time to time.

I'll tell you since I'm somewhat bored at the moment. The following information may not be 100% correct since the whole situation took place in the off-topic forum, and I barely go there because it's a drama magnet. Also, I didn't find out until after it was all over.

Basically, Wrathfuldwarf had to ban two veteran members for seperate reasons. He had to permaban one person since the person had several warnings and would constantly challenge the mods' decision. He had to ban the other person because the person would constantly make duplicate/spam threads in the off-topic forum after being told to stop. After WD banned those two people, all of the frequent OTF posters started making threads expressing their disapproval of those two people being banned. It was a real riot, and a bunch of global mods had to try and set order in that place. Some of the posters challenged the mods and ganged up on them. After seeing all of the hatred in the forum, WD decided to take a break for a couple of days since all of that commotion was causing him too much stress.

Honestly, I really thought that one of the global mods was going to close the OTF for a while because it was crazy how most of the frequent posters acted in there just because of the banning of two members. I'm surprised none of them received a warning and/or ban, but I guess that's a good thing because it would have caused a bigger ruckus.

[JACK-2]

I was debating on another forums versus thread and of course the people I'm debating don't know what they are talking about. Well, long story short I realised how much I hate debating with people I'm unfamiliar with when it comes to certain topics. Especially, when I'm dealing with tards [No offense to anyone] I don't have the stamina to deal with that anymore and I kept thinking about if I was in this forum or debating someone smart how engaging it would be. I'm starting to realise that I can debate in a few places.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 20, 2009 1:09:45 GMT -5 Yoshi said:

Can you post the link to the thread? I want to have a good laugh...

Jan 19, 2009 15:35:44 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Life has double standards as well. You can tell us if you want.

I thought the threads were a laugh riot honestly. Never seen so much reverse ownage in my life, I still read them from time to time.

I'll tell you since I'm somewhat bored at the moment. The following information may not be 100% correct since the whole situation took place in the off-topic forum, and I barely go there because it's a drama magnet. Also, I didn't find out until after it was all over.

Basically, Wrathfuldwarf had to ban two veteran members for seperate reasons. He had to permaban one person since the person had several warnings and would constantly challenge the mods' decision. He had to ban the other person because the person would constantly make duplicate/spam threads in the off-topic forum after being told to stop. After WD banned those two people, all of the frequent OTF posters started making threads expressing their disapproval of those two people being banned. It was a real riot, and a bunch of global mods had to try and set order in that place. Some of the posters challenged the mods and ganged up on them. After seeing all of the hatred in the forum, WD decided to take a break for a couple of days since all of that commotion was causing him too much stress.

Honestly, I really thought that one of the global mods was going to close the OTF for a while because it was crazy how most of the frequent posters acted in there just because of the banning of two members. I'm surprised none of them received a warning and/or ban, but I guess that's a good thing because it would have caused a bigger ruckus.

Yea, I will when I come from college, I have a crapload more links too. All with something against me, they are truly funny. I mgiht be crazy for liking them or something since they are about me, but I think they're hilarious.

[Yoshi]

So, was there a specific reason why you had so many haters?

Jan 20, 2009 6:21:43 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

I was debating on another forums versus thread and of course the people I'm debating don't know what they are talking about. Well, long story short I realised how much I hate debating with people I'm unfamiliar with when it comes to certain topics. Especially, when I'm dealing with tards [No offense to anyone] I don't have the stamina to deal with that anymore and I kept thinking about if I was in this forum or debating someone smart how engaging it would be. I'm starting to realise that I can debate in a few places.

One of the reasons why I don't debate in Internet forums is because I didn't want to deal with fanboys who refused to believe that their favorite characters could be defeated. There was a bunch of those kinds of people during my first couple of months of being on KMC, and I just didn't feel like wasting my time in trying to convince a fanboy that his character would lose in a fight. I admit that there were some good debators in the past, but most of them left because they got tired of all the fanboys and noobs spouting nonsense just to give their favorite character an edge. I've seen alot of one-sided debates because of this, and they were hilarious.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 20, 2009 12:53:44 GMT -5 Yoshi said:

So, was there a specific reason why you had so many haters?

Jan 20, 2009 6:21:43 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

I was debating on another forums versus thread and of course the people I'm debating don't know what they are talking about. Well, long story short I realised how much I hate debating with people I'm unfamiliar with when it comes to certain topics. Especially, when I'm dealing with tards [No offense to anyone] I don't have the stamina to deal with that anymore and I kept thinking about if I was in this forum or debating someone smart how engaging it would be. I'm starting to realise that I can debate in a few places.

One of the reasons why I don't debate in Internet forums is because I didn't want to deal with fanboys who refused to believe that their favorite characters could be defeated. There was a bunch of those kinds of people during my first couple of months of being on KMC, and I just didn't feel like wasting my time in trying to convince a fanboy that his character would lose in a fight. I admit that there were some good debators in the past, but most of them left because they got tired of all the fanboys and noobs spouting nonsense just to give their favorite character an edge. I've seen alot of one-sided debates because of this, and they were hilarious.

Yea they are a good read, but I don't bother.

I have a lot of haters because I was the most popular and highest ranked there at the time. I was nice at first but due to the racists and all the trolls and people bashing me, I just gave them their own treatment. You see, I didn't have to swear at them or threaten to kill them, I just made them look bad when they asked for it. It's all good really, my profile on their has some of the highlights from that time. The thread is on the second page of this board section, I'll link it up I have to add some more threads as well.

[Yoshi]

Popular members will almost always have to deal with people who are jealous of them. Some of them might say that they openly envy you or they're jealous of you, while others will mask their jealousy with hatred. In fact, I'm surprised no one sucked up to you in order to acquire you as a friend. That's what I usually see other people do on KMC nowadays, especially in the off-topic forum. The quickest way to gain a friend in there is to suck up to the veteran and/or popular members (including the mods) and post a laughing smilie at all of the "funny" things they say. It's part of the whole "I want to be accepted" phase of being a noob, but some people are still doing it.

I read you KMC profile, and most of those quotes are hilarious. On an unrelated note, do you think a person should get banned for insulting certain people on their profiles? If so, would you think that someone might get banned for quoting something that is offensive towards certain people?I just want to know your answer for those questions...

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 20, 2009 17:39:05 GMT -5 Yoshi said:

Popular members will almost always have to deal with people who are jealous of them. Some of them might tell you that they opening envy you, while others will mask their jealousy with hatred. In fact, I'm surprised no one sucked up to you in order to acquire you as a friend. That's what I usually see other people do on KMC nowadays, especially in the off-topic forum. The quickest way to gain a friend in there is to suck up to the veteran and/or popular members (including the mods) and post a laughing smilie at all of the "funny" things they say. It's part of the whole "I want to be accepted" phase of being a noob, but some people are still doing it.

I read you KMC profile, and most of those quotes are hilarious. On an unrelated note, do you think a person should get banned for insulting certain people on their profiles? If so, would you think that someone might get banned for quoting something that is offensive towards certain people?I just want to know your answer for those questions...

I had a lot of good friends and some of my "worst enemies" I got along with in reality. Honestly I don't think any of them "really" hated me, much like in real life they wanted a reaction from me. I was just always good at separating my friends from the people who want to make a name for themselves. I wasn't big into sucking up so people were annoyed by my natural ability to make people like me as well. It was a problem on my ex's forum which I helped rebuild. Some of the girls there were nice to my face but didn't like how the members liked me, so they secretly told my ex to get rid of me. My ex didn't tell me but her best friend who used her account for codes did. Oh well. I get a lot of the same online and in real life. Drama, drama, drama. Honestly when I'm on the boards or doing something highly competitive I'm generally in "C-Master" mode, not always, it's just a more assertive part of me that gets the job done when it needs to be done. Now and for a while I've been Cordera Mitchell, the very analytical guy who just wants to be left alone from nonsense. If all you saw of me was "owning fanboys" you might find me harsh, but anybody who knows me really (online or off) knows better. Same thing with my pictures. People are on the outside looking in so often, they see how you look, how you think, or any superficial thing and then negatively associate anything you do. It happens to me all the time in real life, particularly with women who I don't like in any romantic way. I even got fired for it. It's why I keep a lot of stuff to myself. It's always interesting that when I do something is because I'm trying to make people look bad, and when someone else does it it's because they are just trying to do something. Do people think I just sit around devising ways to make people look inferior? Utter nonsense. It's more of a nuisance than anything though. You'll always have your good with your bad.

I think a person should be warned if someone else finds something insulting towards them directly, but not banned without warning unless it was to the extreme. That's simply not fair.

[Yoshi]

Unfortunately, I don't know any of the KMC members and the members of this forum in reality. I admit that there are some people I wouldn't mind hanging out with, but there are some people who I'd never want to meet based on their behavior on an Internet forum. Anyway, there will always be people who'll be jealous or envious of you. Since they don't like you, they might try to get other people to dislike you by spreading false rumors and twisted stories about you. They do all of this because they want reassurance from other people who dislike you, too. That way, they could try to prevent you from making friends with other people and prevent you from getting certain jobs, or joining certain groups, or anything else that deals with socializing with other people.

Cordera is an interesting name. Anyway, I'm pretty much the same way in both reality and on Internet forums. I don't really have a "Yoshi mode" because I generally think of an Internet forum as a place to hang out and discuss things with people across the country and/or world, but I make sure to have loads of common sense and not to be fake in any way. How I act on KMC and on this forum is exactly how I act in reality, except for a few minor differences. Just because a person's identity is anonymous doesn't give them the reason to act like an idiot on an Internet, and they should behave in a tolerable way since they're still around people. Although most of them are complete strangers, at least you won't have to worry about other people calling you annoying because of your behavior. I admit that I had high standards and expectations when I first joined since I'm used to reading sentences with decent amounts of grammar and spelling, which was the reason why I was always telling some of the people to type decently since I like to read their posts without getting a headache. KMC was the first Internet forum that I signed up to, so I thought the members would type clearly enough for everyone to read their posts easily, but I was horribly wrong. I understand that there's no need for perfect grammer and spelling on an Internet forum, but you should at least make your posts legible. Also, I'm pretty sure every fanboy on KMC thought I was somewhat annoying since I thought of fanboys as lowly people since they would be obsessed with fictional characters to the point where they would have tantrums whenever someone else says something bad about them and/or have disgusting fantasies with them. I still do, but it's not my fault that they're obsessed with characters that don't exist in reality, so they should only be mad at themselves. My favorite fictional character of all time is Yoshi, but I'm definitely not obsessed with him. I just don't think I could ever be obsessed with a fictional, regardless of how cool they are.

Not surprisingly, something like that happened to a member last year. It's pretty obvious that almost nobody in the off-topic forums likes him, so they try to put all the attention on him so they could gang up on him. After getting ganged up on by the frequent OTF posters in a thread about forum passes, he got banned for bashing some of the mods in his profile while everybody got away without a warning. Keep in mind that he had that stuff in his profile for several weeks, if not months. The timing of the ban made it worse. He should have just gotten a warning because I doubt he knew that a person can get banned for having mean things on their profile. I sure didn't know that. It puts the whole profiling trend in question because I'm sure that a bunch of people have some mean/offensive/insulting things copied and pasted into their profile. Some of the offensive things were directed towards mods, but nothing seems to happen to the people that say and/or profile it. I guess it all depends on if the person is like or not, which isn't fair. I'm not the only one who thinks his tempban was unfair, and I'm not surprised.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 20, 2009 23:28:04 GMT -5 Yoshi said:

Unfortunately, I don't know any of the KMC members and the members of this forum in reality. I admit that there are some people I wouldn't mind hanging out with, but there are some people who I'd never want to meet based on their behavior on an Internet forum. Anyway, there will always be people who'll be jealous or envious of you. Since they don't like you, they might try to get other people to dislike you by spreading false rumors and twisted stories about you. They do all of this because they want reassurance from other people who dislike you, too. That way, they could try to prevent you from making friends with other people and prevent you from getting certain jobs, or joining certain groups, or anything else that deals with socializing with other people.

Cordera is an interesting name. Anyway, I'm pretty much the same way in both reality and on Internet forums. I don't really have a "Yoshi mode" because I generally think of an Internet forum as a place to hang out and discuss things with people across the country and/or world, but I make sure to have loads of common sense and not to be fake in any way. How I act on KMC and on this forum is exactly how I act in reality, except for a few minor differences. Just because a person's identity is anonymous doesn't give them the reason to act like an idiot on an Internet, and they should behave in a tolerable way since they're still around people. Although most of them are complete strangers, at least you won't have to worry about other people calling you annoying because of your behavior. I admit that I had high standards and expectations when I first joined since I'm used to reading sentences with decent amounts of grammar and spelling, which was the reason why I was always telling some of the people to type decently since I like to read their posts without getting a headache. KMC was the first Internet forum that I signed up to, so I thought the members would type clearly enough for everyone to read their posts easily, but I was horribly wrong. I understand that there's no need for perfect grammer and spelling on an Internet forum, but you should at least make your posts legible. Also, I'm pretty sure every fanboy on KMC thought I was somewhat annoying since I thought of fanboys as lowly people since they would be obsessed with fictional characters to the point where they would have tantrums whenever someone else says something bad about them and/or have disgusting fantasies with them. It's not my fault that they're obsessed with characters that don't exist in reality, so they should only be mad at themselves. My favorite fictional character of all time is Yoshi, but I'm definitely not obsessed with him. I just don't think I could ever be obsessed with a fictional, regardless of how cool they are.

Not surprisingly, something like that happened to a member last year. It's pretty obvious that almost nobody in the off-topic forums likes him, so they try to put all the attention on him so they could gang up on him. After getting ganged up on by the frequent OTF posters in a thread about forum passes, he got banned for bashing some of the mods in his profile while everybody got away without a warning. Keep in mind that he had that stuff in his profile for several weeks, if not months. The timing of the ban made it worse. He should have just gotten a warning because I doubt he knew that a person can get banned for having mean things on their profile. I sure didn't know that. It puts the whole profiling trend in question because I'm sure that a bunch of people have some mean/offensive/insulting things copied and pasted into their profile. Some of the offensive things were directed towards mods, but nothing seems to happen to the people that say and/or profile it. I guess it all depends on if the person is like or not, which isn't fair. I'm not the only one who thinks his tempban was unfair, and I'm not surprised.

I think a lot of it (in my case) is a person trying to find a weakness in you or some flaw that puts you on their level, so they try to do things to get a response out of you. At my job the girls had a common goal-I didn't want any of them. So while they didn't "hate" me persay, they all had a similar motivation, petty jealousy. Like that online as well, I've had people who were good friends of mine every once in awhile get the impression that they were a good debator and try to insult my rank, didn't work well either really. A lot of these people really just don't have a life outside of the forum and the OTF is a good example of this.
I guess in that situation it depends on what was said and the intent, but subtle stuff isn't fair. Now if they were outright trying to start something after an altercation then that would be different.
When I say "C-Master" mode I just simply mean getting my mind in the game and being assertive at the right time and preparing to give someone a taste of their medicine in my own way. Not simply rude or something like that, but "In the zone" which is why I don't take forum debates and stuff seriously, unlike others.

[Pr]

Ok, its me, Pr, from kmc and so on.

I'm going to clear a few things up, just so we're all clear.

1. This was NEVER about protecting or maintaining online friendships. Frankly, if someone tries to make my mod position hard to live with, they aren't my friend.

2. The seemingly 'unfair' bannings of several members and the confusion surrounding them were due to several factors:

A) Captain Rex has only recently been taking more of an active role on the forum after WraithfulDwarf left. As i told rex afterwards, the way he does things is not the same as the way Badabing and I do things. Badabing and I are actually a lot more lenient than most of the other mods on KMC, and have been for years. That's not to say you can break the rules, it just means that you can get away with a little more than you would elsewhere. This applied to everyone, not only our "e-friends". The problems inherent in that led to a breakdown in communication.

B) Mods on KMC are given personal guidelines on how to enforce the rules. I had originally believed that these guidelines were public knowledge. They weren't. This led to people crying out wondering why we were needlessly banning people when by the KMC rules set out for moderators, the bannings in certain cases were justified and within the rules of KMC.

As for closing the VS: It hasn't been decided yet whether the forum will be locked or not. I'd prefer it wasn't, and unless both Badabing and I actually fully back it's closing, i doubt it will happen unless things get much, much worse. And even then, we have ways of dealing with troublemakers.

3. Mods arent idiots. We know who the socks are and aren't. The problem lies in getting those socks banned with what little resources we have. Badabing and I are trying to get things done, but in a lot of cases, our hands are tied. It doesn't mean we stop trying, but people need to appreciate our position and realise that even with us working on it, its going to take time.

To finish off, i'm going to say this. I've been on KMC since august 2004. I love the VS. I work my ass off trying to make it a better place. Us non global mods don't have as much power as we wish we did, so its baby steps all the way. People can judge us all they like, but we don't care. I don't care. Yoda didn't give up on the Jedi. Superman didn't give up on the world, and I'm not giving up on the Vs.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Hey pr... passioonate post. I'm sure you know *I* don't think you or Bada a bad mod lol... but yea you have your good and bad members and mods.

WD is gone? I see he removed his stuff... but I wasn't sure.

I think it is a bit unfair... before you guys didn't even have the ability to ban, so you'd have to put up with socks or trolls for hours sometimes. But I don't really blame the good mods, honestly it's the people. We need to be responsible for our actions, and not rely on other people to babysit. Just like who leads our country is important, ultimately the people have to be willing to cooperate for the better over selfish and petty interests.

[Yoshi]

Jan 21, 2009 3:11:34 GMT -5 Pr said:

Ok, its me, Pr, from kmc and so on.

What's up, dude. I'm guessing you're Raoul from KMC.

I'm "Yoshi Paradise" at that forum.

Jan 21, 2009 3:11:34 GMT -5 Pr said:

A) Captain Rex has only recently been taking more of an active role on the forum after WraithfulDwarf left. As i told rex afterwards, the way he does things is not the same as the way Badabing and I do things. Badabing and I are actually a lot more lenient than most of the other mods on KMC, and have been for years. That's not to say you can break the rules, it just means that you can get away with a little more than you would elsewhere. This applied to everyone, not only our "e-friends". The problems inherent in that led to a breakdown in communication.

Wrathfuldwarf is gone for good? I thought he was just taking a short break. With the increasing amount of noobs, trolls, and socks, I think the comic vs mods should be a little stricter. Just like in a classroom, some of the younger people will just imitate some of the bad behaviour of the older members since it's very likely that they'll get away with it.

Jan 21, 2009 3:11:34 GMT -5 Pr said:

3. Mods arent idiots. We know who the socks are and aren't. The problem lies in getting those socks banned with what little resources we have. Badabing and I are trying to get things done, but in a lot of cases, our hands are tied. It doesn't mean we stop trying, but people need to appreciate our position and realise that even with us working on it, its going to take time.

Well, what little sources do you all have? I figured that the sock checker would just automatically determine if someone's a sock or not, and I"m pretty sure that whatever gave you the hunch that someone's a sock should be enough to get them banned, but I guess it'll be horrible if someone is banned just because a mod assumed he/she was a sock account based on little information.

Jan 21, 2009 2:40:57 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

I think a lot of it (in my case) is a person trying to find a weakness in you or some flaw that puts you on their level, so they try to do things to get a response out of you. At my job the girls had a common goal-I didn't want any of them. So while they didn't "hate" me persay, they all had a similar motivation, petty jealousy. Like that online as well, I've had people who were good friends of mine every once in awhile get the impression that they were a good debator and try to insult my rank, didn't work well either really. A lot of these people really just don't have a life outside of the forum and the OTF is a good example of this.
I guess in that situation it depends on what was said and the intent, but subtle stuff isn't fair. Now if they were outright trying to start something after an altercation then that would be different.
When I say "C-Master" mode I just simply mean getting my mind in the game and being assertive at the right time and preparing to give someone a taste of their medicine in my own way. Not simply rude or something like that, but "In the zone" which is why I don't take forum debates and stuff seriously, unlike others.

I guess one of my pet peeves on an Internet forum is when people try to be innocent when it's blatantly obvious that they had something to do with a certain conflict/situation. I dealt with that kind of stuff almost all the time, and it's one of the few things that annoy me. People should learn to take responsibilities for their actions, and not try to deny doing them. It tells us alot about their character.

Yeah, I agree on the part about the off-topic forum. Some of the people "live" in there since they only post in that forum, and they're almost always online. I can understand the convenience of talking to other people around the world without spending money on long-distance telephone calls, but it isn't good to sit at a computer all day and night and be obsessed with your post count just to give yourself the false impression that you're a valued member.

Well, I guess you're saying that you have a "C-Master" mode because of all the things you've been through in both reality and on Internet forums. I really doubt I have any haters on KMC since I generally get along with everyone, but I can't be too sure since I don't visit all of the subforums. The last thing I would want to find out about is a bunch of false information and twisted stories about me being spread in a thread and/or forum I don't go to. I already received a PM a couple a months ago from a random guy from one of the comic book-related subforums on KMC saying all kinds of crazy and profane things because of something he thought I did, but it didn't affect me at all since I didn't know what he was talking about.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 21, 2009 12:52:16 GMT -5 Yoshi said:

Jan 21, 2009 3:11:34 GMT -5 Pr said:

Ok, its me, Pr, from kmc and so on.

What's up, dude. I'm guessing you're Raoul from KMC.

I'm "Yoshi Paradise" at that forum.


Wrathfuldwarf is gone for good? I thought he was just taking a short break. With the increasing amount of noobs, trolls, and socks, I think the comic vs mods should be a little stricter. Just like in a classroom, some of the younger people will just imitate some of the bad behaviour of the older members since it's very likely that they'll get away with it.



Well, what little sources do you all have? I figured that the sock checker would just automatically determine if someone's a sock or not, and I"m pretty sure that whatever gave you the hunch that someone's a sock should be enough to get them banned, but I guess it'll be horrible if someone is banned just because a mod assumed he/she was a sock account based on little information.

Jan 21, 2009 2:40:57 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

I think a lot of it (in my case) is a person trying to find a weakness in you or some flaw that puts you on their level, so they try to do things to get a response out of you. At my job the girls had a common goal-I didn't want any of them. So while they didn't "hate" me persay, they all had a similar motivation, petty jealousy. Like that online as well, I've had people who were good friends of mine every once in awhile get the impression that they were a good debator and try to insult my rank, didn't work well either really. A lot of these people really just don't have a life outside of the forum and the OTF is a good example of this.
I guess in that situation it depends on what was said and the intent, but subtle stuff isn't fair. Now if they were outright trying to start something after an altercation then that would be different.
When I say "C-Master" mode I just simply mean getting my mind in the game and being assertive at the right time and preparing to give someone a taste of their medicine in my own way. Not simply rude or something like that, but "In the zone" which is why I don't take forum debates and stuff seriously, unlike others.

I guess one of my pet peeves on an Internet forum is when people try to be innocent when it's blatantly obvious that they had something to do with a certain conflict/situation. I dealt with that kind of stuff almost all the time, and it's one of the few things that annoy me. People should learn to take responsibilities for their actions, and not try to deny doing them. It tells us alot about their character.

Yeah, I agree on the part about the off-topic forum. Some of the people "live" in there since they only post in that forum, and they're almost always online. I can understand the convenience of talking to other people around the world without spending money on long-distance telephone calls, but it isn't good to sit at a computer all day and night and be obsessed with your post count just to give yourself the false impression that you're a valued member.

Well, I guess you're saying that you have a "C-Master" mode because of all the things you've been through in both reality and on Internet forums. I really doubt I have any haters on KMC since I generally get along with everyone, but I can't be too sure since I don't visit all of the subforums. The last thing I would want to find out about is a bunch of false information and twisted stories about me being spread in a thread and/or forum I don't go to. I already received a PM a couple a months ago from a random guy from one of the comic book-related subforums on KMC saying all kinds of crazy and profane things because of something he thought I did, but it didn't affect me at all since I didn't know what he was talking about.

I was just thinking how back when KMC mods used to never be on (back when it was just Paola and Tron) there was a lot less acting up. I mean there was some, but it wasn't by such a high percentage of members. I think people do mimic others and (and it's human nature) once they know what they can get away with they'll push it to that limit.

As for sock checking I am assuming you're talking about IP addresses. They're on here too. Really it just shows the computer's IP number.

Honestly it's really easy to sock because all you have to do is have a floating IP address (like AOL) or you just use another comp. My library has about 2 dozen computers that a person could jump on alone. They also have email ban and account ban. So you could do all three, but really they could just use another email address if they're that persistent... and sad.

I don't "become" it. I'm just me. I generally just isolate the two because people who saw me in my times debating or something might associate me as harsh, but I'm just being assertive. I get along with the same opponents who realize it's just a forum. I guess it's like a spar or fight, your mind is in another place, until you finish and you're chilling. Much like anything competitively depending on the person. I'd never say I was a lamb in those times, but I was definitely not evil. I just told it like it was. I just wish both parties would get in trouble and not one (when it happened to me at least back in the day.) Paola knew what I was talking about.