WHAT!?! No more KMC Comic Versus?

[Yoshi]

Jan 21, 2009 13:52:40 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

I was just thinking how back when KMC mods used to never be on (back when it was just Paola and Tron) there was a lot less acting up. I mean there was some, but it wasn't by such a high percentage of members.

That's because newer and younger people are constantly registering to the forum for the sole purpose of defending their character in a fanboyish way. Not to mention some of those poster are probably underaged and feel the need to defend their idol. I'm pretty sure that the posters from the past were much more civil than the current posters.

Jan 21, 2009 13:52:40 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Honestly it's really easy to sock because all you have to do is have a floating IP address (like AOL) or you just use another comp. My library has about 2 dozen computers that a person could jump on alone. They also have email ban and account ban. So you could do all three, but really they could just use another email address if they're that persistent... and sad.

Yeah, they must be very bored to constantly sock at a forum. Then again, anybody who has to go under another username just to browse the forum thinking that their identity will never be revealed is truly sad.

Jan 21, 2009 13:52:40 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

I don't "become" it. I'm just me. I generally just isolate the two because people who saw me in my times debating or something might associate me as harsh, but I'm just being assertive. I get along with the same opponents who realize it's just a forum. I guess it's like a spar or fight, your mind is in another place, until you finish and you're chilling. Much like anything competitively depending on the person. I'd never say I was a lamb in those times, but I was definitely not evil. I just told it like it was. I just wish both parties would get in trouble and not one (when it happened to me at least back in the day.) Paola knew what I was talking about.

Yeah, I see what you mean. I admit that I have a habit of telling it like it is, and people might find that "negative" or "mean" sometimes. Honestly, I'm just stating the truth about certain things, and people shouldn't get mad at me for doing that.

[JACK-2]

For me, I think that forums like KMC will always have problems because of how they are when it comes to people. Let's face we all know that there are a truck load of cluster-fu*k on the real world which pollutes the internet because the two correlate. The only way you can filter it out is by being selective with membership. That's why smaller forums work better because like C-master says only a select few are here and since everyone knows everyone it keeps things from getting outta hand. Furthermore, it doesn't get much buzz which is perfect because less buzz means less people and less people=less problems [sad to say]. With bigger forums it's like a zoo and when dealing with that kind of heated atmosphere and when your opponent is a user name with text on the side. Well, it's easy to dehumanize them and use the fact that your anonymous enough to get away with what your doing to your advantage. When you put people in a position where they are not truly responsible for what they say and the consequences for what they say is a harmless warning and a ban which you can get around by socking. What you get is KMC, the best way to handle this kinda of problem from what I've seen is either do what we do in this forum and create a tightly knit community or do what 4chan does and opt for anonymous posting [No user names] with no rules. Anonymous posting evens out the fact tthat you cannot be known on the internet and makes it so no one can single you out because of your user name. It makes things less personal which is what the problem with forum drama is that it's taken personally and the person making the personal attacks cannot be known.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 24, 2009 18:52:54 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

For me, I think that forums like KMC will always have problems because of how they are when it comes to people. Let's face we all know that there are a truck load of cluster-fu*k on the real world which pollutes the internet because the two correlate. The only way you can filter it out is by being selective with membership. That's why smaller forums work better because like C-master says only a select few are here and since everyone knows everyone it keeps things from getting outta hand. Furthermore, it doesn't get much buzz which is perfect because less buzz means less people and less people=less problems [sad to say]. With bigger forums it's like a zoo and when dealing with that kind of heated atmosphere and when your opponent is a user name with text on the side. Well, it's easy to dehumanize them and use the fact that your anonymous enough to get away with what your doing to your advantage. When you put people in a position where they are not truly responsible for what they say and the consequences for what they say is a harmless warning and a ban which you can get around by socking. What you get is KMC, the best way to handle this kinda of problem from what I've seen is either do what we do in this forum and create a tightly knit community or do what 4chan does and opt for anonymous posting [No user names] with no rules. Anonymous posting evens out the fact tthat you cannot be known on the internet and makes it so no one can single you out because of your user name. It makes things less personal which is what the problem with forum drama is that it's taken personally and the person making the personal attacks cannot be known.

That's interesting, can you quote the other members?

[Yoshi]

Jan 24, 2009 18:52:54 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

For me, I think that forums like KMC will always have problems because of how they are when it comes to people. Let's face we all know that there are a truck load of cluster-fu*k on the real world which pollutes the internet because the two correlate. The only way you can filter it out is by being selective with membership. That's why smaller forums work better because like C-master says only a select few are here and since everyone knows everyone it keeps things from getting outta hand. Furthermore, it doesn't get much buzz which is perfect because less buzz means less people and less people=less problems [sad to say]. With bigger forums it's like a zoo and when dealing with that kind of heated atmosphere and when your opponent is a user name with text on the side. Well, it's easy to dehumanize them and use the fact that your anonymous enough to get away with what your doing to your advantage. When you put people in a position where they are not truly responsible for what they say and the consequences for what they say is a harmless warning and a ban which you can get around by socking. What you get is KMC, the best way to handle this kinda of problem from what I've seen is either do what we do in this forum and create a tightly knit community or do what 4chan does and opt for anonymous posting [No user names] with no rules. Anonymous posting evens out the fact tthat you cannot be known on the internet and makes it so no one can single you out because of your user name. It makes things less personal which is what the problem with forum drama is that it's taken personally and the person making the personal attacks cannot be known.

Wouldn't KMC be worse if all of the posts were anonymous without usernames? I admit that there wouldn't be many personal conflicts and the forum drama would be reduced, but there's no telling how much spam, arguments, and insults would occur if we had no way of finding out who did it.

Smaller forums are almost always better than larger forums. Although larger forums have a large amount of people which will encourage social interaction and discussion, it would increase the chances of drama and arguments since there's bound to be some enemies among the community. Although smaller forums wouldn't have a bunch of members in it, it would give the members the chance to be close friends without annoying members trying to suck up and be accepted. The personality of the members will shine if there aren't a bunch of people in the forum, and we'd get to know everyone's true self rather than a false personal just to seem tough. The mods won't need to act like absolute rulers since there aren't many people to keep track of. They would be able to have personal conversations without being ridiculed since all of the members would know each other on a personal level, and that's pretty much what this forums is.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 24, 2009 21:24:54 GMT -5 Yoshi said:

Jan 24, 2009 18:52:54 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

For me, I think that forums like KMC will always have problems because of how they are when it comes to people. Let's face we all know that there are a truck load of cluster-fu*k on the real world which pollutes the internet because the two correlate. The only way you can filter it out is by being selective with membership. That's why smaller forums work better because like C-master says only a select few are here and since everyone knows everyone it keeps things from getting outta hand. Furthermore, it doesn't get much buzz which is perfect because less buzz means less people and less people=less problems [sad to say]. With bigger forums it's like a zoo and when dealing with that kind of heated atmosphere and when your opponent is a user name with text on the side. Well, it's easy to dehumanize them and use the fact that your anonymous enough to get away with what your doing to your advantage. When you put people in a position where they are not truly responsible for what they say and the consequences for what they say is a harmless warning and a ban which you can get around by socking. What you get is KMC, the best way to handle this kinda of problem from what I've seen is either do what we do in this forum and create a tightly knit community or do what 4chan does and opt for anonymous posting [No user names] with no rules. Anonymous posting evens out the fact tthat you cannot be known on the internet and makes it so no one can single you out because of your user name. It makes things less personal which is what the problem with forum drama is that it's taken personally and the person making the personal attacks cannot be known.

Wouldn't KMC be worse if all of the posts were anonymous without usernames? I admit that there wouldn't be many personal conflicts and the forum drama would be reduced, but there's no telling how much spam, arguments, and insults would occur if we had no way of finding out who did it.

Smaller forums are almost always better than larger forums. Although larger forums have a large amount of people which will encourage social interaction and discussion, it would increase the chances of drama and arguments since there's bound to be some enemies among the community. Although smaller forums wouldn't have a bunch of members in it, it would give the members the chance to be close friends without annoying members trying to suck up and be accepted. The personality of the members will shine if there aren't a bunch of people in the forum, and we'd get to know everyone's true self rather than a false personal just to seem tough. The mods won't need to act like absolute rulers since there aren't many people to keep track of. They would be able to have personal conversations without being ridiculed since all of the members would know each other on a personal level, and that's pretty much what this forums is.

One problem that tends to arise with smaller forums is relationships. We don't have that problem here (though we did briefly with my psycho ex.) Smaller forums have relationships and people make their relationships above the rules while they're ON the forum. This leads to issues when they fight or whatever and take apart everything along with it, or they quit their positions to come back or any sorts of things. With a bunch of guys and girls you tend to have the usual flirting and whatnot and jealousy one way or another that leads to... more fighting and drama. In larger forums this isn't as big as an impact because "everyone doesn't know everyone", but in smaller places they make up a large percentage of the posters. Here when I got rid of my ex, her "buddy" (who is more of my friend first) pretty much stopped posting and it killed the rp. Not pointing the finger but it's how it happens.

[Yoshi]

Well, I wasn't aware of any of that. I've only encountered one minor nuisance while being on this forum, but other that that, I've never dealt with any problems.

You would think that those people would flirt and/or fight via PM, but I guess they wanted to make everyone else aware of the situation.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Yea, things in the forum for me especially seem to be a lot like real life.

In a smaller group in real life drama definitely happens when there are couples, but when there is a huge group it doesn't effect everybody the same way because everyone doesn't know them, just that group of people. Like a school vs a small job or something.

But in larger places you have more dummies and in smaller places it's easier to get along with like minded people.

[Yoshi]

Well, that's true. At least we don't have to worry about any nuisances in this forum since everybody gets along with each other.

Of course, it won't be long until someone decides to invite somebody here just to cause drama...

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 26, 2009 1:24:48 GMT -5 Yoshi said:

Well, that's true. At least we don't have to worry about any nuisances in this forum since everybody gets along with each other.

Of course, it won't be long until someone decides to invite somebody here just to cause drama...

Well let's hope that doesn't happen, but you will have your drama here and then, the key is to keep it down.

Actually some of the big troublemakers were on my other forum (my ex's but I invited them) and got along fine, Whirly for instance.

[Yoshi]

Well, another key to dealing with drama is to avoid and ignore it. I was just told about another case of Internet drama that occured in the off-topic forum at KMC, and it was an argument between two well-known members. Honestly, it makes me wonder why they just won't ignore each other.

Like I said before, most of the "famous" socks and trolls are probably decent people. They just like to annoy people on Internet forums for the excitement and satisfaction.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 26, 2009 10:25:35 GMT -5 Yoshi said:

Well, another key to dealing with drama is to avoid and ignore it. I was just told about another case of Internet drama that occured in the off-topic forum at KMC, and it was an argument between two well-known members. Honestly, it makes me wonder why they just won't ignore each other.

Like I said before, most of the "famous" socks and trolls are probably decent people. They just like to annoy people on Internet forums for the excitement and satisfaction.

Yea, that is true, a lot of them are cool, people do need to lighten up on these, seriously.

Off topic forum is full of big egos, that should be of no surprise.

[JACK-2]

The thing is though back when we used to frequent KMC before the problems started. It was actually a cool place too hang out. We had our occasional problems. But, like you said nothing this bad. I think it has to do with how the internet was way back before the average idoit could get a broadband connection and relay his stupid at high speeds. No offense to anyone, but I wish that alot of people would pull out their internet connection. Because it seemd that back when media wasn't netcentric [Youtube generation] quality was higher because let's face the media drives down quality and brings morons. I'm not sure how it entirely relates too online, but there is a connection.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 26, 2009 15:00:51 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

...before the average idoit could get a broadband connection and relay his stupid at high speeds..

#hysterical#

Yea, I was going to mention how youtube has idiots. You can't watch TMNT without someone starting a racial slur and a flame war... lol garbage in garbage out...

[JACK-2]

Youtube is a very silly place, one minute I'm watching a video. Then when I read the commments there's a whole flame war going on about racism despite the video I'm watching has nothing to do with race. I hate to seem like I'm missing using this term, but I think for me the Web died with Web 1.0. Here's a good saying which describes my thoughts of online:

"Nobody goes there anymore, It’s too crowded. When everyone is looking for gold in the same river, the best opportunities are somewhere else."

I honestly spend to much time online and too much time complaining about the drama online. The irony is that when I barely had access to the web with slow dial up. . .That's when I enjoyed it the most. I think I just need to back off and move on.

[Yoshi]

I almost never read the comments when looking at Youtube videos. There's usually some kind of argument that have nothing to do with the video whatsoever. It's annoying, but it's also funny how people over-react just because a complete stranger disagrees with him/her.

Jan 26, 2009 12:25:39 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Yea, that is true, a lot of them are cool, people do need to lighten up on these, seriously.

Off topic forum is full of big egos, that should be of no surprise.

I agree with that. Most people on Internet forums are too uptight while others are just extremely lazy.

It doesn't surprise me, but it disappoints me when people argue over the smallest things.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 26, 2009 18:45:19 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Youtube is a very silly place, one minute I'm watching a video. Then when I read the commments there's a whole flame war going on about racism despite the video I'm watching has nothing to do with race. I hate to seem like I'm missing using this term, but I think for me the Web died with Web 1.0. Here's a good saying which describes my thoughts of online:

"Nobody goes there anymore, It’s too crowded. When everyone is looking for gold in the same river, the best opportunities are somewhere else."

I honestly spend to much time online and too much time complaining about the drama online. The irony is that when I barely had access to the web with slow dial up. . .That's when I enjoyed it the most. I think I just need to back off and move on.

Yea I remember dial up and when KMC was good, but then again there's nostalgia also. Generally what you find is people even in the largest forum have some off topic thread or something where they are like family, a certain group of them. It's all over at KMC, that's why I liked it before, when I pretty much headed the KMC comic versus off topic. Then all the guys started falling in love and stuff and posting less... but those were the good ol' days. Just stay here and be sane, lol.

[Yoshi]

Yeah, Ashtar, we need more sanity to counter the stupidity in the Internet forums.

I remember my horrible days of having dial-up connection, and it would take a long time to download something. I'm so glad I got a new computer.

[Pr]

Ok, sorry i took so long to reply, real life sucks.

Jan 21, 2009 5:14:07 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Hey pr... passioonate post. I'm sure you know *I* don't think you or Bada a bad mod lol... but yea you have your good and bad members and mods.

WD is gone? I see he removed his stuff... but I wasn't sure.

I think it is a bit unfair... before you guys didn't even have the ability to ban, so you'd have to put up with socks or trolls for hours sometimes. But I don't really blame the good mods, honestly it's the people. We need to be responsible for our actions, and not rely on other people to babysit. Just like who leads our country is important, ultimately the people have to be willing to cooperate for the better over selfish and petty interests.

we're currently waiting to hear back from wd, hopefully we'll hear something soon...

and yeah, that is a big part of it. membership on kmc comes with the assumption that you're mature enough to act and behave like a civil human being. mods aren't babysitters, we're there to enforce the rules. you have a problem, you come to us. we see someone breaking the rules, we do what we can to deal with it. at the end of the day, its up to the users to follow the rules. if they do, they'll get no hassle from the mods...

Jan 21, 2009 12:52:16 GMT -5 Yoshi said:

Jan 21, 2009 3:11:34 GMT -5 Pr said:

Ok, its me, Pr, from kmc and so on.

What's up, dude. I'm guessing you're Raoul from KMC.

I'm "Yoshi Paradise" at that forum.

i guessed from the avatar lol, and yeah, that be me...

Wrathfuldwarf is gone for good? I thought he was just taking a short break. With the increasing amount of noobs, trolls, and socks, I think the comic vs mods should be a little stricter. Just like in a classroom, some of the younger people will just imitate some of the bad behaviour of the older members since it's very likely that they'll get away with it.

wd, we honestly don't know at this point. hopefully he'll be back soon...

and bada and i do try to curb bad behaviour when we can, it's just finding that balance between what's good and what's bad which is the trick...

Well, what little sources do you all have? I figured that the sock checker would just automatically determine if someone's a sock or not, and I"m pretty sure that whatever gave you the hunch that someone's a sock should be enough to get them banned, but I guess it'll be horrible if someone is banned just because a mod assumed he/she was a sock account based on little information.

the sock check that we do have is far from infallible. i'm sorry to say it, but its true. there is more than one way around it, and anyone with a half decent knowledge of how to use google could find a way... it sucks, but its the best we have at the moment...

we did bring in a ruling whereby if enough of the mods believed someone was a sock, that would be enough, but there's still the burden of proof in many cases. add that to the fact that 99% of the globals don't visit the vs, and wouldn't know where to begin, as it's different from most forums in its content and membership. this means some of the globals just aren't sure, so to be cautious, they decide against the banning.

honestly man, you aren't the first person to complain about the lack of socks and trolls being banned. but i have to really emphasise that badabing and i are constantly trying to get things done. we work very hard behind the scenes, results just seem to take longer than we'd like...

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Yea, there is a balance to all things, you don't want to make things so tight that *you* don't have fun, but you wish everybody would grow up.

thacmaster.proboards50.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=21&page=1

Here's that thread guys, it's on the top of the GD page now.

[Yoshi]

I'm amazed that someone could hate a complete stranger that much. Seriously, you must have done something horrible to him because it doesn't make any sense to make a bunch of hate threads for no reason.

Jan 29, 2009 8:30:49 GMT -5 Pr said:

the sock check that we do have is far from infallible. i'm sorry to say it, but its true. there is more than one way around it, and anyone with a half decent knowledge of how to use google could find a way... it sucks, but its the best we have at the moment...

Oh, okay. Is there a way to upgrade it?

we did bring in a ruling whereby if enough of the mods believed someone was a sock, that would be enough, but there's still the burden of proof in many cases. add that to the fact that 99% of the globals don't visit the vs, and wouldn't know where to begin, as it's different from most forums in its content and membership. this means some of the globals just aren't sure, so to be cautious, they decide against the banning.

Yeah, that would lead to much controvery if someone got banned just because the mods think it's a sock account with barely any evidence. Out of all the people around the world, there are bound to be some people with similar personality and habits.

Well, the global mods should visit it more often. The high-traffic forums (comic book vs and off-topic forum) should be visited by global mods on a constant basis because there is almost always some kind of drama in them. It may not be everyday, but it's usually every week. Some of the sock accounts might "slip" and reveal who they really are, but it won't matter if none of the mods see it.

honestly man, you aren't the first person to complain about the lack of socks and trolls being banned. but i have to really emphasise that badabing and i are constantly trying to get things done. we work very hard behind the scenes, results just seem to take longer than we'd like...

Well, you might have to recruit some trustworthy and responsible people for the mod team. I doubt you and Badabing are online 24/7, so you might have to get some new mods in order to control the comic book vs forum while you two are offline. I'm sure that the majority of the socks and trolls cause trouble while the mods are offline.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Lol I've learned that the people who "hate" me the most in real life are usually crazy about me. There's an interesting story with Ihatecmaster, but revealing it takes the fun out of it.

[Yoshi]

Well, that's not a surprise because some people like to mask their jealousy or fondness with someone with hatred.

Was he/she someone you knew in reality?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 29, 2009 14:38:27 GMT -5 Yoshi said:

Well, that's not a surprise because some people like to mask their jealousy or fondness with someone with hatred.

Was he/she someone you knew in reality?

Well there's often a thin line between love and hate.


He knew what city I lived in...

[JACK-2]

Jan 27, 2009 22:02:00 GMT -5 Yoshi said:

Yeah, Ashtar, we need more sanity to counter the stupidity in the Internet forums.

Well, it has to do with it's popularity. Back 10 years ago the web had a steeper learning curve. It was not as accessible as it is now and also the things that played a big part on the web now [Social networks] weren't as big for the most part. The web was essentially for looking up information and in many ways it still is however it's become more of a place to socialize than before. And, once social networking geared sites like Youtube, Facebook and Myspace appeared it became easier to find media, connect with people and voice their opinions all at the sametime. The learning curve became less steep and it became alot easier to get into which in turn made it popular. It was as easy as turning on your Tv which made it more accesible to the average joe six pack. The problem is and I don't wanna sound elitist or anything, but when you make something open to anyone then your essentially allowing for whoever good or bad to come. This drives down quality because you cannot filter out enough of the type of people with characteristics which take away from an experience rather than add to it. The nature of online has changed and it was that nature that kept certain people out. So, when you take it away well you get this. The best people for a group will always be those who are willing to enter the group regardless of it's nature. Because those individuals are usually the people with traits that add to the experience in the most ways and even if there jerks they usually bring about progress. I dislike elitism and people who let their achievements get to their heads. However, most of the time they are the people who bring fourth advancement in a field. Their weakness though is that they may not be open to new forms of thinking as easily. Everything ultimately has good and bad advantages. You just have to weigh them in to see how things are overall.

[Yoshi]

Yeah, the Internet is being filled with kids and idiots because it's easily accessible. Instead of using the Internet to look up information on something, people use it to whore themselves on social sites and Youtube. I admit that Youtube is a good place to show off your talents, but some people upload the dumbest things.

Jan 29, 2009 14:56:20 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Jan 29, 2009 14:38:27 GMT -5 Yoshi said:

Well, that's not a surprise because some people like to mask their jealousy or fondness with someone with hatred.

Was he/she someone you knew in reality?

Well there's often a thin line between love and hate.


He knew what city I lived in...

Did he find out on his own or did you tell him?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 29, 2009 17:40:53 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Jan 27, 2009 22:02:00 GMT -5 Yoshi said:

Yeah, Ashtar, we need more sanity to counter the stupidity in the Internet forums.

Well, it has to do with it's popularity. Back 10 years ago the web had a steeper learning curve. It was not as accessible as it is now and also the things that played a big part on the web now [Social networks] weren't as big for the most part. The web was essentially for looking up information and in many ways it still is however it's become more of a place to socialize than before. And, once social networking geared sites like Youtube, Facebook and Myspace appeared it became easier to find media, connect with people and voice their opinions all at the sametime. The learning curve became less steep and it became alot easier to get into which in turn made it popular. It was as easy as turning on your Tv which made it more accesible to the average joe six pack. The problem is and I don't wanna sound elitist or anything, but when you make something open to anyone then your essentially allowing for whoever good or bad to come. This drives down quality because you cannot filter out enough of the type of people with characteristics which take away from an experience rather than add to it. The nature of online has changed and it was that nature that kept certain people out. So, when you take it away well you get this. The best people for a group will always be those who are willing to enter the group regardless of it's nature. Because those individuals are usually the people with traits that add to the experience in the most ways and even if there jerks they usually bring about progress. I dislike elitism and people who let their achievements get to their heads. However, most of the time they are the people who bring fourth advancement in a field. Their weakness though is that they may not be open to new forms of thinking as easily. Everything ultimately has good and bad advantages. You just have to weigh them in to see how things are overall.

That's how it generally is. Say you made an SF site for hardcore sf players (I know there is pretty much one), and then let's say you made it for everybody and their mom. It would be bigger and more popular but you'd have all sorts of idiots in there who thought they knew it all. Everything has a balance really.

And yea, Youtube is definitely for whoring yourself out, and myspace too. Facebook doesn't seem as bad though. It has gotten more popular too.

ihatecmaster was a special case, I'll have to tell you a story about twister in the other thread.

Oh and here is a thread with someone complaining about CvS back in 05 right around (or before I was gone) the time I considered it the "good ol days", so a lot of it IS nostalgia.
www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=372460&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

No wait, upon rereading the thread I realized it was crap then too.

[JACK-2]

Well, when I brought up Youtube it was not really to point out the fact that people whore themselves [They do.]. Just to point out that priorities online have changed with the advent of sites like youtube. That isn't my major descrepancy, what I dislike the most is people using sources like wikipedia or respect threads as their primary source of info for a character as opposed to using the source in which the character comes from.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 30, 2009 13:28:30 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Well, when I brought up Youtube it was not really to point out the fact that people whore themselves [They do.]. Just to point out that priorities online have changed with the advent of sites like youtube. That isn't my major descrepancy, what I dislike the most is people using sources like wikipedia or respect threads as their primary source of info for a character as opposed to using the source in which the character comes from.

Yea like Cloud did?

[JACK-2]

Gears just copied other peoples arguments that he agree'd with and treated them as if they were law. Alot of people use respect threads like that, too many to point fingers. It's a general problem overall.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 30, 2009 13:51:09 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Gears just copied other peoples arguments that he agree'd with and treated them as if they were law. Alot of people use respect threads like that, too many to point fingers. It's a general problem overall.

Yea, people jumping on the tit when they don't even know the character. He tried to call me a God Rugal fanboy lol, I like Rugal and all but lol...