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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 21, 2011 23:51:18 GMT -5
John McClane (Die Hard movies) vs Martin Riggs (Lethal Weapon movies.)
Two scenarios.
1: Gun battle. Both are armed with their signature Beretta. Both have 5 reloads. Fight takes place on the Titanic. Before it sinks, obviously.
2: H2H battle in a steel cage. Both are wearing MMA shorts, nothing else. No weapons, just H2H.
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Sept 22, 2011 7:50:35 GMT -5
Tough, I'm thinking McClane myself.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 23, 2011 8:32:18 GMT -5
I thought that for a while too, but then I rewatched Lethal Weapon 2. Riggs is a beast H2H. H2H, Riggs 10/10.
Gun battle, I'd say Riggs 7/10.
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Post by rbtd on Sept 26, 2011 15:01:00 GMT -5
I've only seen the Lethal Weapon with Jet Li; Gibson wasn't all that impressive in that, he seemed old and tired.
But overall I can't say due to my Lethal Weapon ignorance, maybe he's better in the other films of the franchise and would give McClane a fight and not just get his ass pummeled or shot.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 26, 2011 15:31:30 GMT -5
He's too much for Mac. Too fast and too strong, too skilled.
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Post by rbtd on Sept 26, 2011 15:40:15 GMT -5
Gibson certainly wasn't any of those things in the Jet Li film of the series. He was old and tired and he needed his partner to defeat Jet Li.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 26, 2011 15:42:18 GMT -5
And this has what to do this thread? This is the high end feats of Riggs. Watch LW2, champ.
Also, better a partner than an SUV. And, in the end, Li died by Riggs' hand, not by gravity.
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Post by rbtd on Sept 26, 2011 15:48:24 GMT -5
Relax, I said I can't properly judge as I've only seen one film of the Lethal Weapon set. So I am not saying "McClane wins the thread".
I was commenting that if it's Gibson in the Jet Li film, McClane would obliterate him. Gibson was slow and unimpressive in that film to be a "super-cop". Him and his partner together didn't compare to one McClane in super-copness.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 26, 2011 16:02:46 GMT -5
Yet towards the end, he was going toe to toe with Li and almost beat him.
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Post by rbtd on Sept 26, 2011 19:26:28 GMT -5
Yet towards the end, he was going toe to toe with Li and almost beat him. After Li had spent a considerable amount of energy beating the crap out of two guys. McClane could solo Jet Li. |
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 26, 2011 19:50:33 GMT -5
Dude, stop. McClane was, at best, an average h2h combatant. Riggs is just better.
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Post by rbtd on Sept 27, 2011 15:09:12 GMT -5
Dude, stop. McClane was, at best, an average h2h combatant. Riggs is just better. While McClane didn't have fancy skills, he gets the job done and alone. Gibson in Lethal Weapon 4 was old, tired and needed the help of his large partner to beat guys down. Not better in his fourth film. |
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 27, 2011 15:52:06 GMT -5
Dude, stop. McClane was, at best, an average h2h combatant. Riggs is just better. While McClane didn't have fancy skills, he gets the job done and alone. Gibson in Lethal Weapon 4 was old, tired and needed the help of his large partner to beat guys down. Not better in his fourth film. Nope, Mac always has support. Al, Marv, Zeus and Farrell. Without them, he would have surely lost the day. Again with LW4 Riggs? Stop. Watch LW1-3 then get back to me. |
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Post by rbtd on Sept 28, 2011 17:49:12 GMT -5
While McClane didn't have fancy skills, he gets the job done and alone. Gibson in Lethal Weapon 4 was old, tired and needed the help of his large partner to beat guys down. Not better in his fourth film. Nope, Mac always has support. Al, Marv, Zeus and Farrell. Without them, he would have surely lost the day. Again with LW4 Riggs? Stop. Watch LW1-3 then get back to me. In fights? McClane rarely needs help. When he does need help, it's to further the plot. Solve something etc. I've seen part Four, so that's what I can talk about; I'm not going to comment on a film I've not seen. In part four, Gibson's character was a has-been cop at best. McClane in Diehard 4 was better than ever, he keeps kicking ass, age doesn't matter. |
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 28, 2011 22:02:46 GMT -5
Mac in 4 was better than ever? Lulz, dude. DH1 Mac would kick the royal shit outta DH4 Mac.
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Post by Blaze72 on Sept 29, 2011 7:14:00 GMT -5
^ WOw you think......
DH4 McClane was alot older obvisouly and he was lil slower then compare his appearence to DH1.
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Post by rbtd on Sept 29, 2011 18:23:53 GMT -5
^ WOw you think...... DH4 McClane was alot older obvisouly and he was lil slower then compare his appearence to DH1. Age is just a number, he was still jumping out of cars, launching taxis at helicopters and shooting himself to kill the villain. IE, better than ever. /fact |
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 30, 2011 9:20:39 GMT -5
^ WOw you think...... DH4 McClane was alot older obvisouly and he was lil slower then compare his appearence to DH1. Age is just a number, he was still jumping out of cars, launching taxis at helicopters and shooting himself to kill the villain. IE, better than ever. /fact And what, exactly, does any of what you said have to do with h2h combat or a gun battle? Mac is more destructive than Riggs, that's a given. |
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Post by rbtd on Oct 3, 2011 17:35:30 GMT -5
And what, exactly, does any of what you said have to do with h2h combat or a gun battle? Mac is more destructive than Riggs, that's a given. You're the one that questioned McClane's age, so don't get mad cos you've just be proven wrong again. McClane is better all around, going from Lethal Weapon 4. |
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Oct 3, 2011 23:52:32 GMT -5
And what, exactly, does any of what you said have to do with h2h combat or a gun battle? Mac is more destructive than Riggs, that's a given. You're the one that questioned McClane's age, so don't get mad cos you've just be proven wrong again. McClane is better all around, going from Lethal Weapon 4. Watch LW 1, 2 and 3. Mac gets his ass handed to him regularly. Shall we list their h2h feats, fight by fight? |
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Post by rbtd on Oct 4, 2011 11:44:38 GMT -5
You're the one that questioned McClane's age, so don't get mad cos you've just be proven wrong again. McClane is better all around, going from Lethal Weapon 4. Watch LW 1, 2 and 3. Mac gets his ass handed to him regularly. Shall we list their h2h feats, fight by fight? Na, I've better movies to watch then cheesy partner-cop films from the 80's-90's. I have seen all the Diehard films, and if winning = gets ass handed, then we agree. |
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Oct 4, 2011 14:01:35 GMT -5
Forgetting that Riggs took on and pwned 4 asian Triads at once in LW4?
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Post by rbtd on Oct 4, 2011 16:03:35 GMT -5
Asian mobsters, they must have been super-elite fighters, had to be, no other way around it.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Oct 5, 2011 0:01:35 GMT -5
Lulz, look at you, you haven't even seen LW 1-3 and you're proclaiming a McClane victory.
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Post by rbtd on Oct 5, 2011 11:30:59 GMT -5
Lulz, look at you, you haven't even seen LW 1-3 and you're proclaiming a McClane victory. I clearly said I'm not saying "McClane wins" considering I've not seen all the Lethal Weapon film, so nice try at weaseling. Your man-crush on Mel Gibson is funny though. |
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Oct 5, 2011 15:09:27 GMT -5
"Man crush on Gibson."
Sup Robtard? Same exact words he used on me on KMC.
Check it:
And here, from 3:13 to 3:27
Feats Mac can only dream of.
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Post by rbtd on Oct 5, 2011 16:08:09 GMT -5
Considering I already said "I can't say McClane wins" because I've not seen the Lethal movies, there is nothing for me to dodge.
Hold onto that "you're Robtard; I know you!" crutch. It's all you have.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Oct 5, 2011 18:01:28 GMT -5
Aaaahahahaahahahaa, I bet you like the LA Dodgers too.
Fall flat? Instead of countering the vids I posted, you're tap dancing. Classic Robtard move.
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Post by rbtd on Oct 5, 2011 18:28:19 GMT -5
Considering my argument has always been "I can't say because I've not seen all the Lethal films", there is nothing for me to dodge.
Those clips had okay fight scenes. Gibson surprised a couple idiots who let their guard down because they thought he was dead and killed them with a chain. There is no chain and McClane wouldn't have his back turned.
Keep that "you're Robtard; I know you!" crutch, boy. It's all you have.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Oct 5, 2011 18:32:35 GMT -5
And yet you still praise Mac and diss Riggs. Classic Robtard.
"Okay" fight scenes? Those feats, Mac can't even begin to touch them. Riggs is on a whole different level.
BTW, Einstein, Mac "left his back turned" twice in Die Hard.
Saying you're Robtard is not a diss, Rob is my friend and a cool guy. I dunno why you deny you're him when C and I both know it's you.
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