Superman in the realm of Harry Potter

[Blaze72]

Superman appears to help Harry Potter and his friends fight against Voldemort. Can Clark do any damage or is he useless?

[Rogue Jedi]

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[Blaze72]

That means what exactly?

[Rogue Jedi]

It means that Superman gets raped by any half trained wizard.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Uh, Superman has to contend with wizards who can destroy galaxies in his universe, he would not be useless. He could move faster than they can even react.

[Rogue Jedi]

Dude, come on. The many ways Superman can and would be killed here are endless. FFS all Voldemort has to do is brew up some polyjuice potion, assume the form of Lois Lane, act like he/she is being held prisoner. When he swoops down to rescue her, avada kedavra.

That's just one of many ways.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Don't know what happened to my post. But you make it seem like Superman is some lowered level character who just run in and die to much weaker characters. Superman could simply kill them before they react by going at lightspeed. Sure they could do something to him, but saying a "half trained wizard" could kill Superman is just ridiculous and either underestimating Superman or overestimating Harry Potter, or both.

[Rogue Jedi]

No, I am merely saying that the wizards are one of the few who has what it takes to end him. And you totally ignored my post. Shall I name some of the other many ways he loses here?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 8, 2012 15:34:29 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

No, I am merely saying that the wizards are one of the few who has what it takes to end him. And you totally ignored my post. Shall I name some of the other many ways he loses here?

He can be hurt by magic, but it's on a higher scale. He doesn't just die by any magic. It would be no different than a normal man with a match beating Sub Zero. Can fire hurt Subby? Yes, but he isn't hopeless against it.

I had a problem with you saying Superman is useless, he can be hurt, but he isn't insignificant. No way.

[Rogue Jedi]

I never said he would be useless, when did I say that?

The wizards simply have too many weapons at their disposal. They can kill him with a death spell, they can freeze him, they can mind rape him, they can slow him to an ants crawl, they can vanish him, etc etc etc.....Not to mention what I posted earlier.

The wizards are too diverse and powerful. This is what enables them to beat high tier characters like Superman.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

The thread is simply Harry and friends with Superman with Voldemort. You made it seem like Superman couldn't beat a "half trained wizard" when he has wizards like Dr. Fate and Zatanna who would wipe the floor with the Wizards in Harry Potter.

He could avoid all of the stuff you're talking about and fight against it like he does with more powerful effects in his own universe. He can move at light speed, Voldemort can't. He wouldn't be useless.

Superman has heat and breath, T-vo, excellent speed. He could fly far away and use heat vision (which is much hotter than the surface of the sun). It isn't as simple as you make it seem.

[Rogue Jedi]

The thread is simply Harry and friends with Superman with Voldemort. You made it seem like Superman couldn't beat a "half trained wizard" when he has wizards like Dr. Fate and Zatanna who would wipe the floor with the Wizards in Harry Potter.

A half trained wizard COULD beat Superman. Polyjuice potion, imitate Lois, death spell.

And dude, come on, just because person A beats person B, then B beats C, that doesn't mean A beats C.

He could avoid all of the stuff you're talking about and fight against it like he does with more powerful effects in his own universe. He can move at light speed, Voldemort can't. He wouldn't be useless.

So Superman can resist death spells? Transfiguration? Benig mind raped? Afraid I am gonna need proof.

OK, so the fight starts with Superman already moving at light speed? Lol, k.

Superman has heat and breath, T-vo, excellent speed. He could fly far away and use heat vision (which is much hotter than the surface of the sun). It isn't as simple as you make it seem.

Yes, it is as simple as I make it seem. Wizards can like, see the future and stuff. They also have precog.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 9, 2012 9:45:19 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

The thread is simply Harry and friends with Superman with Voldemort. You made it seem like Superman couldn't beat a "half trained wizard" when he has wizards like Dr. Fate and Zatanna who would wipe the floor with the Wizards in Harry Potter.

A half trained wizard COULD beat Superman. Polyjuice potion, imitate Lois, death spell.

And dude, come on, just because person A beats person B, then B beats C, that doesn't mean A beats C.

So Superman can resist death spells? Transfiguration? Benig mind raped? Afraid I am gonna need proof.

OK, so the fight starts with Superman already moving at light speed? Lol, k.

Superman has heat and breath, T-vo, excellent speed. He could fly far away and use heat vision (which is much hotter than the surface of the sun). It isn't as simple as you make it seem.

Yes, it is as simple as I make it seem. Wizards can like, see the future and stuff. They also have precog.

If Superman sits there like a dummy.

And ABC logic works in this case, because the wizards in question are very powerful and can destroy planets and warp reality, so it works fine here. They have the ability, it just isn't likely. Superman moves and punches their head off before they react. Cheap, but it can be done.

[Rogue Jedi]

Mhm, it CAN be done, but that aint Superman's style.


Besides, the wizards have prep. Time travel, dude. Remember the shield that disintegrated wizard as soon as they ran into it? Yeah.......



Imperio. Too many powers.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 9, 2012 10:33:39 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

Mhm, it CAN be done, but that aint Superman's style.


Besides, the wizards have prep. Time travel, dude. Remember the shield that disintegrated wizard as soon as they ran into it? Yeah.......



Imperio. Too many powers.

Depends on the situation. These wizards aren't out of his league and he isn't trying to kill, but if they want to kill him he'd use it. Superman isn't a normal wizard. He's trillions of times more durable actually.

[Rogue Jedi]

More durable, yes, but he has absolutely zero feats that show he can resist a death spell. Or being changed into a teacup. He isn't that smart, dude, assuming the form of Lois would certainly lead to his death.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 9, 2012 16:20:55 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

More durable, yes, but he has absolutely zero feats that show he can resist a death spell. Or being changed into a teacup. He isn't that smart, dude, assuming the form of Lois would certainly lead to his death.

He has super intelligence actually. He has resisted a myriad of spells, the problem is Voldemort hasn't shown to react to light speed and he can't.

[Rogue Jedi]

You do know what a Protego shield is, right? And you do know about the Hall of Prophesies?


Also, counter the Polyjuice/Lois Lane scenario?

[samz]

As much as I like Potterverse... Superman is too much for them.
Imperio wont work. Desipte the popular belief Superman isnt weak against magic and he's resisted mind controle from the best. Transfiguration might work, might not. Superman has feats of resisting molecular manipulation, and that's close enough.

Now, it is possible for the wizards to fool him with spells, potions, use the mugglerepelling spell etc but that would be a PIS kind of scenario. Something that involves a story, and might happen in a movie or a t show. Whie this is a vs forum. CIS off Superman can either fry or freezebreathe the whole battlefield. Or just attack at faster than light speed. There are comicbook characters that the wizards can definitely defeat in a fight. But imo Superman is just not one of them.

[Rogue Jedi]

*sighs*


Polyjuice potion. Lois's hair. Counter, please? Explain how Superman is to know that it is Voldemort, not Lois, he is trying to rescue.

Also explain how Superman gets past a magical shield. Also explain how he resists transfiguration.

Sooner or later he is gonna slow down, dude, and when he does, he gets spelled. Until then, protego shields protect the wizards.

One word: "Confundus." Another word: "Evanesco." And yes, Avada Kedavra will work just as well on Superman as it did on Sirius.

[samz]

Jan 10, 2012 12:08:46 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

*sighs*


Polyjuice potion. Lois's hair. Counter, please? Explain how Superman is to know that it is Voldemort, not Lois, he is trying to rescue.

Also explain how Superman gets past a magical shield. Also explain how he resists transfiguration.

Sooner or later he is gonna slow down, dude, and when he does, he gets spelled. Until then, protego shields protect the wizards.

One word: "Confundus." Another word: "Evanesco." And yes, Avada Kedavra will work just as well on Superman as it did on Sirius.

That's exactly what I meant when I said this kind of scenario might only work in a movie. Not in a forum battle. First problem with this scenario it requires Lois's hair. Lois does not exist in HP universe so there's no way to get her hair. So this scenario wont work.

As for how he gets through magical shield. Two different ways. First of all if he's attacking at faster than light speed they will not be able to react and put up a shield in time.
Second way to get though it - he'll just punch through it or use the heat vision. Yes yes I know what you're going to say. But the thing is, we can't just assume the shield will hold just because its "magical". It would take some really impressive feats for us to assume that. And so far the shields never withstood any attacks of Superman's level. The guy can crack a mountain with a punch, cause an earthquake, im pretty sure that at some point he punched through a dimensional barrier. Ive read all the books and then watched all the movies. And im a huge Harry Potter fan so if I say so myself, there is no proof in either books or movies that protego is capable of withstanding such an attack.

Tranfiguration, as I said, feats. Transfiguration (while is magical) is still molecular manipulation and Superman has feats of resisting just that.

Avada Kedavra might work on Supes (but frankly comparing him to Sirius is going way too far as ive never seen Sirius withstand the power of a black hole or heat of the sun but that's beside the point) Lets assume it can kill Clark, the problem with this scenario, CIS off Superman has faster than light reflexes as well as speed. Using his speed at its maximum the wizards will be like statues to him. The time that it would take any of them to point their wands and think the spell.. will seem like hours if not like DAYS to SUperman if he chooses so. So the only way this is going to work is if we assume that SUperman will fight like an idiot or understimates his opponents and that does not fly in a vs forum.
Secondly, Avada Kedavra might not work at all seeing how even Darkseid's O beam doesnt kill Clark and that attack is basically Avada Kedavra on steroids.

All those scenarios would only work in a movie or a tv show where Supes can be a victim of CIS (character induced stupidity) but not in a forum fight when he's using all his powers to the fullest potential. He'll be moving and attacking faster than light, they wont even have the time to START WONDERING what's going on.

[Rogue Jedi]

That's exactly what I meant when I said this kind of scenario might only work in a movie. Not in a forum battle. First problem with this scenario it requires Lois's hair. Lois does not exist in HP universe so there's no way to get her hair. So this scenario wont work.

Won't work? Lois does not exist in HPverse? Dude, if Superman exists in HPverse, then Lois exists in HPverse. Everything from both verses are combined, that is how a versus battle works.

So yeah, the polyjuice scenario is non-debatable.

As for how he gets through magical shield. Two different ways. First of all if he's attacking at faster than light speed they will not be able to react and put up a shield in time.

Another fail.....The the movies, the Hogwarts team was aware of the upcoming battle and had their shields up and ready to go.

Also, the only thing that can destroy the shields is magic. Voldemort, more powerful than the wizards who raised the shields in the movies, can surely create even more powerful shields.

Second way to get though it - he'll just punch through it or use the heat vision. Yes yes I know what you're going to say. But the thing is, we can't just assume the shield will hold just because its "magical". It would take some really impressive feats for us to assume that.

Already covered this, and yes, we have no choice but to assume that the only thing that can destroy the shields is magic. Why? Because the only thing that ever destroyed the shields was magic.

And so far the shields never withstood any attacks of Superman's level. The guy can crack a mountain with a punch, cause an earthquake, im pretty sure that at some point he punched through a dimensional barrier. Ive read all the books and then watched all the movies. And im a huge Harry Potter fan so if I say so myself, there is no proof in either books or movies that protego is capable of withstanding such an attack.

Already covered this, cast your glance upwards.

Tranfiguration, as I said, feats. Transfiguration (while is magical) is still molecular manipulation and Superman has feats of resisting just that.

So Superman has feats that include resisting a spell cast by a wizard that changes a man into a ferret? Link, with proof, please.

Avada Kedavra might work on Supes (but frankly comparing him to Sirius is going way too far as ive never seen Sirius withstand the power of a black hole or heat of the sun but that's beside the point) Lets assume it can kill Clark, the problem with this scenario, CIS off Superman has faster than light reflexes as well as speed. Using his speed at its maximum the wizards will be like statues to him. The time that it would take any of them to point their wands and think the spell.. will seem like hours if not like DAYS to SUperman if he chooses so. So the only way this is going to work is if we assume that SUperman will fight like an idiot or understimates his opponents and that does not fly in a vs forum.
Secondly, Avada Kedavra might not work at all seeing how even Darkseid's O beam doesnt kill Clark and that attack is basically Avada Kedavra on steroids.

No, avada kedavra will work just fine. Why? Because the only counter we ever see for it is when Lily sacrifices herself for Harry. It is never shown or stated that someone with Supermanlike powers can resist it. Stop speculating.

All those scenarios would only work in a movie or a tv show where Supes can be a victim of CIS (character induced stupidity) but not in a forum fight when he's using all his powers to the fullest potential. He'll be moving and attacking faster than light, they wont even have the time to START WONDERING what's going on.

[/b] With CIS off, a wizard can simply travel back in time and death spell Superman when he is a baby.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Actually no, there was no mention of merging worlds. Just Superman.

[samz]

Jan 10, 2012 15:36:19 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

That's exactly what I meant when I said this kind of scenario might only work in a movie. Not in a forum battle. First problem with this scenario it requires Lois's hair. Lois does not exist in HP universe so there's no way to get her hair. So this scenario wont work.

Won't work? Lois does not exist in HPverse? Dude, if Superman exists in HPverse, then Lois exists in HPverse. Everything from both verses are combined, that is how a versus battle works.

Um.. no. That's NOT how vs forums work. Dont know where you got that idea from. THe opening post says Superman is transfered to HP universe. Nothing about the two universe merging together. So no, this scenario wont work. Not to mention, even if it did work, Superman's senses would allow him to see right through it. Hearbeat, swetting, even the way he moves is more than enough for Clark to see the fake.

So yeah, the polyjuice scenario is non-debatable.

It really is non-debatble. Because it wont work unless I somehow missed a spell that can bring two universes together.

Another fail.....The the movies, the Hogwarts team was aware of the upcoming battle and had their shields up and ready to go.

The polyjuice scenario is the only fail here. They didnt have their shields up. Here's the opening post "Superman appears to help Harry Potter and his friends fight against Voldemort" It does not specifically state this is the last battle of the book/movie and nothing about them prepping or putting up shields in advance. So unless stated otherwise, they do not have shields by default. NOT in a vs forum. Which means they'd have to put them as soon as the battle begins. Which is more than enough time for Clark to circle the earth 3 times over and he'd STILL have enough time to punch their teeth in before they could even raise their wands.

Also, the only thing that can destroy the shields is magic.

You cant prove it.

Already covered this, and yes, we have no choice but to assume that the only thing that can destroy the shields is magic. Why? Because the only thing that ever destroyed the shields was magic.

WTH? So if a guy gets shot in the head by a gun we are to assume that nothing except bullets can kill him? That is supposed to prove that he can tank a nuclear explosion just because we've never SEEN him get killed by one? Sorry. but that logic is flawed. If you want to argue that shields can withstand a mountain-crushing attack you better have feats of them holding against such a powerful attack. And I know they do not exist. So yes. Im going with - he punches right through them.

So Superman has feats that include resisting a spell cast by a wizard that changes a man into a ferret? Link, with proof, please.

Resists magical transmutation.
imageshack.us/f/244/supermanvol2047p16ku8.jpg/
There are dozen more scans that I just cant be bothered to post (because would take a lot of time to find) of people magicians/matter manipulators attempting to manipulate his molecules and failing. And keep in mind DC's most powerful magicians > the entire HP universe. So no, wont work. Also, fanfact - Superman can become intangible by vibrating at superspeeds, so the spells wil go right THOUGH him without harming him. Not to mention the whole faster than light reflexes thing. Those spells will seem like an ant crawl to him and he'll see/hear/sense them coming a mile away.

No, avada kedavra will work just fine. Why? Because the only counter we ever see for it is when Lily sacrifices herself for Harry. It is never shown or stated that someone with Supermanlike powers can resist it.

Another example of the same flawed logic. Just because this was the only example SHOWN doesnt mean this is the only possible way. We've only seen how the spell works on people with human durability. We've never seen how Avada Kedavra works against characters that can withstand a PLANET EXPLOSION. Or survive in a black hole. Or tank an omega beam that ERASES anything and everything from existance and is way more impressive than Avada Kedavra. Superman tanked all those things. So no. We cant just assume it would work because it worked on Sirius and other wizards who all have human durability. And once again, we wont even have to find out if it works as CIS/PIS off he wont get hit. Not with his speed and reflexes.

With CIS off, a wizard can simply travel back in time and death spell Superman when he is a baby.

Travel back where? Right into DC universe? Again, Superman is transfered to HP universe for the sake of debate. Its a vs forum, not a cartoon. There is no past baby Superman in this thread. Look, im glad you're a HP fan, I can relate to that, that's why I backed you up in the vs Jedi thread. But that doesnt mean you have to argue that your favorite characters are allpowerfull and unbeatable. There are characters that are just out of their league. Superman is one of them. Nothing wrong with that.

[Rogue Jedi]

Jan 10, 2012 22:19:26 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Actually no, there was no mention of merging worlds. Just Superman.

That's bullshit. Versus threads combine all aspects from both verses.

I mean for all we know, the yellow sun of HPverse will have no effect on Superman. It's a different sun, innit? See how dumb that is?

[Rogue Jedi]

Um.. no. That's NOT how vs forums work. Dont know where you got that idea from. THe opening post says Superman is transfered to HP universe. Nothing about the two universe merging together. So no, this scenario wont work. Not to mention, even if it did work, Superman's senses would allow him to see right through it. Hearbeat, swetting, even the way he moves is more than enough for Clark to see the fake.

Like I just told C, if that's the case, then the yellow sun of HPverse will not have the same effect. Superman gets his power from a combination of Earth's yellow sun and lighter gravity. His native planet Krypton had a red sun and heavier gravity. HPverse is a DIFFERENT verse than Supermanverse, a DIFFERENT sun and DIFFERENT gravity. So if you are gonna play the " Um.. no. That's NOT how vs forums work. Dont know where you got that idea from. THe opening post says Superman is transfered to HP universe. Nothing about the two universe merging together", then I am gonna play the card I just played.


Next?

Read more: wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_does_Superman_get_his_strength#ixzz1jCiHq7Z1

Why? I know where he gets his strength from, any half brained idiot does.

It really is non-debatble. Because it wont work unless I somehow missed a spell that can bring two universes together.

Already covered this. HPverses' Sun and Gravity will not grant Superman power. Different verse, different sun and gravity.

The polyjuice scenario is the only fail here.

It's not needed if we exclude all of Supermanverse, INCLUDING the sun and gravity of Earth. Without them, Superman does not have his powers.

They didnt have their shields up. Here's the opening post "Superman appears to help Harry Potter and his friends fight against Voldemort" It does not specifically state this is the last battle of the book/movie and nothing about them prepping or putting up shields in advance. So unless stated otherwise, they do not have shields by default. NOT in a vs forum. Which means they'd have to put them as soon as the battle begins. Which is more than enough time for Clark to circle the earth 3 times over and he'd STILL have enough time to punch their teeth in before they could even raise their wands.

Lol, dude, so yet ANOTHER thread with the wizards just sitting on their hands, unaware of the pending battle? I smell HP hate.

Look up the Hall of Prophecies. The wizards will be aware of Superman's presence FAR in advance, man.

You cant prove it.

Yes, I can. The one instance in which magical shields are destroyed in the HPmovies is when they are destroyed by MAGIC. They are NEVER brought down by brute force.

There's your proof, accept it.

WTH? So if a guy gets shot in the head by a gun we are to assume that nothing except bullets can kill him? That is supposed to prove that he can tank a nuclear explosion just because we've never SEEN him get killed by one? Sorry. but that logic is flawed. If you want to argue that shields can withstand a mountain-crushing attack you better have feats of them holding against such a powerful attack. And I know they do not exist. So yes. Im going with - he punches right through them.

And when in the HPverse was a protego shield ever brought down by brute force?

Yeah, thought not. Moving on.....

Resists magical transmutation.
imageshack.us/f/244/supermanvol2047p16ku8.jpg/
There are dozen more scans that I just cant be bothered to post (because would take a lot of time to find) of people magicians/matter manipulators attempting to manipulate his molecules and failing. And keep in mind DC's most powerful magicians > the entire HP universe. So no, wont work. Also, fanfact - Superman can become intangible by vibrating at superspeeds, so the spells wil go right THOUGH him without harming him. Not to mention the whole faster than light reflexes thing. Those spells will seem like an ant crawl to him and he'll see/hear/sense them coming a mile away.

Mhm, and if you notice, when he is "resisting" he is standing still. Think about it.

Another example of the same flawed logic. Just because this was the only example SHOWN doesnt mean this is the only possible way. We've only seen how the spell works on people with human durability. We've never seen how Avada Kedavra works against characters that can withstand a PLANET EXPLOSION. Or survive in a black hole. Or tank an omega beam that ERASES anything and everything from existance and is way more impressive than Avada Kedavra. Superman tanked all those things. So no. We cant just assume it would work because it worked on Sirius and other wizards who all have human durability. And once again, we wont even have to find out if it works as CIS/PIS off he wont get hit. Not with his speed and reflexes.

Actually, all we can go with is what examples are shown. Anything else is speculating and therefore dismissable.

With CIS off, a wizard can simply travel back in time and death spell Superman when he is a baby.

Travel back where? Right into DC universe? Again, Superman is transfered to HP universe for the sake of debate. Its a vs forum, not a cartoon. There is no past baby Superman in this thread. Look, im glad you're a HP fan, I can relate to that, that's why I backed you up in the vs Jedi thread. But that doesnt mean you have to argue that your favorite characters are allpowerfull and unbeatable. There are characters that are just out of their league. Superman is one of them. Nothing wrong with that.[/quote]Already covered this.

[Rogue Jedi]

A list of Wizard spells:



harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_spells




The Wizards have a perfect counter to everything Superman has to offer.


So, the wizards, aware of Superman's presence far in advance (via the Hall of Prophesies), they raise their shields, (Protego Maxima), and Superman is disintegrated when he tries to, lol "punch through them."

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 11, 2012 21:35:33 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

A list of Wizard spells:



harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_spells




The Wizards have a perfect counter to everything Superman has to offer.


So, the wizards, aware of Superman's presence far in advance (via the Hall of Prophesies), they raise their shields, (Protego Maxima), and Superman is disintegrated when he tries to, lol "punch through them."

No they don't because their spells don't even cover his level of power. They can help though.

And no, a sun is a sun. If that's the case the thread wouldn't need to be made in the first place, that's a straw man. The thing is, Superman fights more powerful wizards and he can ko them before they react. And he's only fighting one, with help.

[Rogue Jedi]

No they don't because their spells don't even cover his level of power. They can help though.

Dude, that's it? "Nuh uh, RJ!!!"?

And no, a sun is a sun. If that's the case the thread wouldn't need to be made in the first place, that's a straw man.

Lol, no. Superman is never, not once, shown using his powers in HPverse. (Read between the lines, C, realize the hidden meaning behind my statement.)

The thing is, Superman fights more powerful wizards and he can ko them before they react. And he's only fighting one, with help.

No, see, the thing is that the Wizards will know about Superman's presence far in advance and they will be ready.



This thread sucks. I am making a new one that is more detailed and non-biased.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 11, 2012 23:56:41 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

No they don't because their spells don't even cover his level of power. They can help though.

Dude, that's it? "Nuh uh, RJ!!!"?

Lol, no. Superman is never, not once, shown using his powers in HPverse. (Read between the lines, C, realize the hidden meaning behind my statement.)

The thing is, Superman fights more powerful wizards and he can ko them before they react. And he's only fighting one, with help.

No, see, the thing is that the Wizards will know about Superman's presence far in advance and they will be ready.



This thread sucks. I am making a new one that is more detailed and non-biased.

The only one who is being biased is you. It's the Dr. Strange thread all over again. It took me pages and pages of feats to even convince you (halfway then) that a character which could destroy galaxies could take on a bunch of children. Bottom line is, Voldemort is too slow to react, end of story. Stretching the rules to make Superman useless is the only way they'd win. I doubt Blaze was being biased in any way lol.