Robocop vs. The Terminator

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Nov 26, 2011 18:30:23 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

But he's too damn slow.

His walking speed is, his aim is not.

[Rogue Jedi]

No, it's just as slow.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Nov 26, 2011 19:08:24 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

No, it's just as slow.

He hits numerous targets quite well.

[Rogue Jedi]

And they were just standing there like fools.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Robocop can survive falling off of a skyscraper. So I don't see a Terminator beating him to death. I may have to put up some movie scenes.

[Rogue Jedi]

The impact of falling off a skyscraper is totally different than when a T Unit is tearing away at Robo's visor and head. Ripped, not beaten, to death. Remember in Robo 1 when the bad guy was beating Robo with a metal rod?

[Darkstorm Zero]

RJ, Thats a total copout.

The only thing Bottiger did was hit Robocop's forarm, and then stabbed him through a cracked chestplate, which had already been damaged by ED-209, and an entire SWAT Platoon.

I'm sorry, but physics dictate that a terminator getting damaged by a truck impact, or blown apart by a Pipebomb is not going to be physically mauling a dude that survives a drop of several hundred meters THROUGH a bridge, through a roadway, and into a goddamn sewer.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

I never saw that post. Robo is still too durable to lose here to the T Unit attacking him.

[Rogue Jedi]

Dec 15, 2011 8:36:28 GMT -5 Darkstorm Zero said:

RJ, Thats a total copout.

The only thing Bottiger did was hit Robocop's forarm, and then stabbed him through a cracked chestplate, which had already been damaged by ED-209, and an entire SWAT Platoon.

I'm sorry, but physics dictate that a terminator getting damaged by a truck impact, or blown apart by a Pipebomb is not going to be physically mauling a dude that survives a drop of several hundred meters THROUGH a bridge, through a roadway, and into a goddamn sewer.

His chest plate was most certainly not cracked when Bott stabbed him.

Ah, the pipe bomb....You ever stop to think that Reese knew exactly where to place it? And that it was likely far more powerful than a redneck pipe bomb?

Robo has internal organs, this has been proven time and time again. T unit targets the heart and BAM, he shuts Robo down with one punch like the one did Marcus in Salvation.

All of Robo's feats you said, well, once again, have nothing to do with a T unit ripping it to shreds. Different kind of trauma. Unless you are saying a common power saw>>>>a T unit's strength?

Fact is, Robo has uber blunt force feats, he has zero that show he can survive a T unit ripping his head off.

[Darkstorm Zero]

Dec 17, 2011 0:53:30 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

His chest plate was most certainly not cracked when Bott stabbed him..

Right, it's not like we don't see Murphy's injuries after the ED-209 fight, and the SWAT ambush immediately after, or the metric fucktones of metal dripped on him... Oh wait... You don't know WTF your on about.





Once again, your full if it.

Dec 17, 2011 0:53:30 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

Ah, the pipe bomb....You ever stop to think that Reese knew exactly where to place it? And that it was likely far more powerful than a redneck pipe bomb?.

Reese, who was barely conscious at the time, had just had his ass thoroughy kicked by the Terminator, and who could barely think to move? Yes, I would say he stuck it there for convenience rather than because it was a weakness. Good luck proving otherwise. Oh, and good luck proving it was "More powerful" than conventional explosives, especially since we know it did fuck all to the pavement.

Dec 17, 2011 0:53:30 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

Robo has internal organs, this has been proven time and time again. T unit targets the heart and BAM, he shuts Robo down with one punch like the one did Marcus in Salvation..

Except, ya know, the only evidence suggest that the organic components of robo consist of a brain and some skin. The rest is synthetic, especially since when we do see him stripped down, there is no blood or body parts or anything, all there is, is the cranial unit, which has been reinforced anyways. So, good luck proving that the terminator is going to be able to punch through his armor anyways, since he took some pretty heavy hits both from Kane, and from ED-209. Geezus, your literally claiming that a Terminator punches with more force than an APFSDS round, which is clearly absurd.

Dec 17, 2011 0:53:30 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

All of Robo's feats you said, well, once again, have nothing to do with a T unit ripping it to shreds. Different kind of trauma. Unless you are saying a common power saw>>>>>a T unit's strength?.

You have yet to explain how a T Unit exerts enough force to breach something that has the tensile strength to withstand that much PSI. And now you are comparing cutting to blunt force trauma for one, using an appeal to conclusion fallacy for two, strawmanning for three, and claiming that an industrial saw and a jackhammer is somehow common every day things either opponent faced. I don't have to provide evidence for such ridiculous fallacy filled arguments from you.

Dec 17, 2011 0:53:30 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

Fact is, Robo has uber blunt force feats, he has zero that show he can survive a T unit ripping his head off.

You have to prove that the terminator can do that in the first place, especially since it has no sharp circular saw designed for cutting machines apart.

Your move.

[Rogue Jedi]

Dec 17, 2011 2:47:45 GMT -5 Darkstorm Zero said:

Dec 17, 2011 0:53:30 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

His chest plate was most certainly not cracked when Bott stabbed him..

Right, it's not like we don't see Murphy's injuries after the ED-209 fight, and the SWAT ambush immediately after, or the metric fucktones of metal dripped on him... Oh wait... You don't know WTF your on about.





Once again, your full if it.

[/b][/quote] OK, you got me on the armor being damaged. BUT, watch as Bott twists the metal around, Murphy is in pain. Why? Internal organs. So you really just helped me out by proving the armor was cracked.

Reese, who was barely conscious at the time, had just had his ass thoroughy kicked by the Terminator, and who could barely think to move? Yes, I would say he stuck it there for convenience rather than because it was a weakness. Good luck proving otherwise. Oh, and good luck proving it was "More powerful" than conventional explosives, especially since we know it did fuck all to the pavement.

It's common sense, dude. Reese was a veteran and seasoned soldier and knew all the weak points of T units. Just watch Salvation for proof of this.

Except, ya know, the only evidence suggest that the organic components of robo consist of a brain and some skin. The rest is synthetic, especially since when we do see him stripped down, there is no blood or body parts or anything, all there is, is the cranial unit, which has been reinforced anyways. So, good luck proving that the terminator is going to be able to punch through his armor anyways, since he took some pretty heavy hits both from Kane, and from ED-209. Geezus, your literally claiming that a Terminator punches with more force than an APFSDS round, which is clearly absurd.

Baby food, dude. Robo needs baby food to sustain himself. Why? Because he has internal organs.

Oh yeah, and he like bled and stuff when Bott stabbed him.

No, I am not claiming a T unit punches with that much force. I am claiming that a T unit knows just where to punch.

You have yet to explain how a T Unit exerts enough force to breach something that has the tensile strength to withstand that much PSI. And now you are comparing cutting to blunt force trauma for one, using an appeal to conclusion fallacy for two, strawmanning for three, and claiming that an industrial saw and a jackhammer is somehow common every day things either opponent faced. I don't have to provide evidence for such ridiculous fallacy filled arguments from you.

Lol, you're an idiot. Think about it, Marcus ripped an 800's head clean off and he is not as strong as Arnold's T unit. Add on that the T unit is made of a tougher material than Robo and......yeah.........Hyperalloy>>>>>>Titanium, Champ.

You have to prove that the terminator can do that in the first place, especially since it has no sharp circular saw designed for cutting machines apart.

Your move.

Let's see...Oh yeah, I just said it: The T-850 is stronger than Marcus. Marcus was shown ripping the head clean off a T unit that was made of a much stronger material than Robo.


Do the math, kiddo. No mater what you or anyone else says, despite what is shown onscreen, Hyperalloy is much stronger than Titanium. This fact alone should end the argument.

[Darkstorm Zero]

Dec 17, 2011 5:02:08 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

OK, you got me on the armor being damaged. BUT, watch as Bott twists the metal around, Murphy is in pain. Why? Internal organs. So you really just helped me out by proving the armor was cracked.

an expression of pain does not prove he has internal organs genius. You have helped yourself to a big fat nothing by trying to pull that.

Dec 17, 2011 5:02:08 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

It's common sense, dude. Reese was a veteran and seasoned soldier and knew all the weak points of T units. Just watch Salvation for proof of this.

Reese was a child in Salvation... He dealt with some T-400s by dropping a fuckton of metal on it... And thats about it.

Dec 17, 2011 5:02:08 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

Baby food, dude. Robo needs baby food to sustain himself. Why? Because he has internal organs.

Oh yeah, and he like bled and stuff when Bott stabbed him.

No, I am not claiming a T unit punches with that much force. I am claiming that a T unit knows just where to punch.

He has "ONE" internal organ, his brain. Hell, the digestive system he has is synthetic and artificial, Bob Morton fucking says so in the movie.

That was Bottiger's blood RJ. Tends to go all over the place when you stab someone in the jugular.

Dec 17, 2011 5:02:08 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

Lol, you're an idiot. Think about it, Marcus ripped an 800's head clean off and he is not as strong as Arnold's T unit. Add on that the T unit is made of a tougher material than Robo and......yeah.........Hyperalloy>>>>>>>>Titanium, Champ.

And I asked you to fucking quantify this months ago. You still have not, and your trying to pass it off as fact when nobody can actually prove this is so.

We outright fucking know the upper limits of Hyper-Alloy's durability, it's been demonstrated time and again in the movies, so unless you can actually out-do Robocop's demonstrated durability with a feat from Terminator, you've got nowhere to make any claims.

Oh, and BTW, Marcus didn't rip the head off of the T-800, that was a 600 if I remember right.

Dec 17, 2011 5:02:08 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

Let's see...Oh yeah, I just said it: The T-850 is stronger than Marcus. Marcus was shown ripping the head clean off a T unit that was made of a much stronger material than Robo.

Your getting your Terminators mixed again... do try to keep up.

Dec 17, 2011 5:02:08 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

Do the math, kiddo. No mater what you or anyone else says, despite what is shown onscreen, Hyperalloy is much stronger than Titanium. This fact alone should end the argument.

It is not a fact until it is proven, and the feats do not match the myth. Your going to have to find another way to debate this, because as it stands, Robocop could be downed by a terminator, but it aint going to actually damage him. hell, the blow from kane didn't, and Kane's arm is hydraulic.

[Rogue Jedi]

Dec 17, 2011 5:22:17 GMT -5 Darkstorm Zero said:

Dec 17, 2011 5:02:08 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

OK, you got me on the armor being damaged. BUT, watch as Bott twists the metal around, Murphy is in pain. Why? Internal organs. So you really just helped me out by proving the armor was cracked.

an expression of pain does not prove he has internal organs genius. You have helped yourself to a big fat nothing by trying to pull that.

[/b][/quote] Ahahahaahaha, fail. If he had no internal organs, he would have felt no pain. At no time in the Robo movies is it stated that Robo was programmed to fell pain like a human. And this:



Try again?

Reese was a child in Salvation... He dealt with some T-400s by dropping a fuckton of metal on it... And thats about it.

Another fail. He knew the weak spot on the back of the T unit's neck.

Try again?

He has "ONE" internal organ, his brain. Hell, the digestive system he has is synthetic and artificial, Bob Morton fucking says so in the movie.

Fail again.



www.movieprop.com/tvandmovie/robocop/robocopmovie.htm


Try again?

That was Bottiger's blood RJ. Tends to go all over the place when you stab someone in the jugular.

You can see blood on the spear he used, dumbass.

And I asked you to fucking quantify this months ago. You still have not, and your trying to pass it off as fact when nobody can actually prove this is so.

You seriously need me to explain this again? Are you that fucking stupid?

We outright fucking know the upper limits of Hyper-Alloy's durability, it's been demonstrated time and again in the movies, so unless you can actually out-do Robocop's demonstrated durability with a feat from Terminator, you've got nowhere to make any claims.

[/b][/quote]

OK, Q&A time.

1. What is a T-600 made of?

2. What is a T-800 and T-850 made of?

3. What is Robocop's armor made of?

Oh, and BTW, Marcus didn't rip the head off of the T-800, that was a 600 if I remember right.



Your getting your Terminators mixed again... do try to keep up.

[/b][/quote] Ah, typo on my part. The T 800 is even more of a feat, thanks!!!

Dec 17, 2011 5:02:08 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

Do the math, kiddo. No mater what you or anyone else says, despite what is shown onscreen, Hyperalloy is much stronger than Titanium. This fact alone should end the argument.

It is not a fact until it is proven, and the feats do not match the myth. Your going to have to find another way to debate this, because as it stands, Robocop could be downed by a terminator, but it aint going to actually damage him. hell, the blow from kane didn't, and Kane's arm is hydraulic.

I have proven it over and over again, hyperalloy is much more stronger and durable than titanium. You want the dumbed down answer? I can speak slower, use bold text, use small words, if that helps.


BTW: If you want to keep up the whole "Titanium showed better screen feats than hyperalloy (a vastly superior metal, FACT), because it was shown taking more abuse", then I can rightly use that same line of logic and say that Robo's titanium armor is more durable than Wolverine's adamantium skeleton because it was shown taking more abuse.

See how stupid your line of argument is?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Let's chill on the insults. You're both better than that.

I would say he feels pain because he has pain receptors. You only need a brain for that anyways. I have never heard or read anything about him having numerous vital organs.

[Rogue Jedi]

Dec 18, 2011 0:31:10 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Let's chill on the insults. You're both better than that.

I would say he feels pain because he has pain receptors. You only need a brain for that anyways. I have never heard or read anything about him having numerous vital organs.

Lol, pain receptors.....Riiiiiiiiiiiight.........He was not "registering" pain, he was literally in pain. He was howling like a Lycan giving birth.

Read my previous post, see the pic "Organ digestive pot, FTW", and accept that baby food serves to maintain the organic part of his body.

[Darkstorm Zero]

Dec 17, 2011 9:31:24 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

Ahahahaahaha, fail. If he had no internal organs, he would have felt no pain. At no time in the Robo movies is it stated that Robo was programmed to fell pain like a human. And this:



Try again?

I'm sure he wasn't programmed to feel any emotional responses, and yet we know he feels a whole range of them. Your reply is utter bullshit on it's face.

C-Master called it right, the brain and nerves are still there. Are nerves considered an organ now?

A degestion pot is a set of fucking organs now? Are you serious here or just trolling? We already said that robocop has one (Count it again 'ONE') Organic organ remaining, and that is his brain. No liver, no stomach, no kidneys, no intestines, no heart, no lungs, no blood, just a Brain, and spine with living nerves. The rest was blown to shit by Bottiger's gang, with shotguns.

Besides, if it where true, then Morton, the guy that built Robocop, is a functional retard.

Dec 17, 2011 9:31:24 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

Another fail. He knew the weak spot on the back of the T unit's neck.

Try again?

When did he expoit this weakness? And, since John was broadcasting this information daily, everyone and their dog knows it.

Dec 17, 2011 9:31:24 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

Fail again.



www.movieprop.com/tvandmovie/robocop/robocopmovie.htm


Try again?

WTF? How does this pile of non-canon drivel dispute what Morton said?

Dec 17, 2011 9:31:24 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

You can see blood on the spear he used, dumbass.

Bottiger's blood. Remember the cracked chest plate? Are you saying you cannot conceive that blood in such vast amounts did not seep into an open crack in a chestplate?

Dec 17, 2011 9:31:24 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

You seriously need me to explain this again? Are you that fucking stupid?

You'd better change this statement, and your attitude very quickly RJ... I may not be a Nazi mod like the ones whom canned you on KMC, but even I have a limit as to how much shit I'll take for the sake of debating...

And you explained nothing at no other time in this entire thread.

Dec 17, 2011 9:31:24 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

OK, Q&A time.

1. What is a T-600 made of?

2. What is a T-800 and T-850 made of?

3. What is Robocop's armor made of?

Ah, typo on my part. The T 800 is even more of a feat, thanks!!!

My answer to all 3 is, "Does It Matter?" Answer: No it doesn't, and I'll explain why below.

Dec 17, 2011 5:02:08 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

Do the math, kiddo. No mater what you or anyone else says, despite what is shown onscreen, Hyperalloy is much stronger than Titanium. This fact alone should end the argument.

So, we are to Assume then that Hyper Alloy, despite being very non-descripit in the movies, has no testable procedure to conclude durability, has never been described by anyone, is somehow making someone stronger and more durable than his opponent whom, actually HAS demonstrated several times that he is stronger and more durable? And all of this because of a vague statement nobody made? You've never heard of hyperbole have you?

Dec 17, 2011 9:31:24 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

I have proven it over and over again, hyperalloy is much more stronger and durable than titanium. You want the dumbed down answer? I can speak slower, use bold text, use small words, if that helps.

No, you have not proven it RJ, the only thing you did was wave your arms and state the same thing repeatedly like a broken record. Logical fallacies do not make an argument more accurate.

Dec 17, 2011 9:31:24 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

BTW: If you want to keep up the whole "Titanium showed better screen feats than hyperalloy (a vastly superior metal, FACT), because it was shown taking more abuse", then I can rightly use that same line of logic and say that Robo's titanium armor is more durable than Wolverine's adamantium skeleton because it was shown taking more abuse.

See how stupid your line of argument is?

Which is both incorrect, and a completely different set of circumstances, considering we have feats for Marvel's Adamantium backing it up.

Ok, RJ, let me put this another way.

by your definition, Hyper Alloy gives the T-unit an advantage in durability, right?

But, in all cases we have seen Hyper Alloy proven to be only on par, or even LESS durable than Titanium.

Now, lets say, per square inch, that Hyper Alloy is more durable than Titanium. #1: It doesn;t matter because of the Terminators near skeletal construction. Murphy has alot of solid plate armor all over him, he has a more sturdy construction design, and is thus more durable. Lets use the proverbial steel rod that you brought up. It took a heck of a lot of damage to Murphy's chestplate to make him vulnerable to the rod's attack. And Bottiger caused pain to be sure, but did no actual damage to Murphy at all beyond that. Murphy was still fully functional. Whereas in T2, the T-800 had to rip through his own arm to free himself from the gear the T-1000 pushed him into, and with a steel rod, he broke through at least 2 solid rods of Hyper Alloy in his forarm to get loose, and later, we see the T-1000 force the same steel rod through the T-800's back and through his primary power cell. Oh my, the durability of Hyper Alloy seems a bit overstated right now...

So, you see, for all the hyperbolic, hyped up statements you bring up of Hyper Alloy, the feats still esily trump it. You cannot explain HOW much more durable Hyper Alloy is than standard titanium, you cannot prove it is more durable irrespective, and since they are different universes, the titanium in Terminator may be entirely different than that in Robocop thanks to artistic license. And finally, even if it IS more durable, the Terminators construction methods in comparison to that of Murphy is still a major weak point for the Terminator. The joints are far less well protected by this Unobtanium Hyper Alloy that, I could say that Murphy could rip the arms and legs off of the T-800 and T-850 and render the Terminator helpless, even if Murphy couldn't penetrate it's upper chest plate or cranium.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Dec 18, 2011 0:53:40 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

Dec 18, 2011 0:31:10 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Let's chill on the insults. You're both better than that.

I would say he feels pain because he has pain receptors. You only need a brain for that anyways. I have never heard or read anything about him having numerous vital organs.

Lol, pain receptors.....Riiiiiiiiiiiight.........He was not "registering" pain, he was literally in pain. He was howling like a Lycan giving birth.

Read my previous post, see the pic "Organ digestive pot, FTW", and accept that baby food serves to maintain the organic part of his body.

You do know pain is felt because the brain gives signals right? There's a difference in just "feeling" pain and being severely damaged or disabled anyways.

[Rogue Jedi]

Dec 18, 2011 3:31:28 GMT -5 Darkstorm Zero said:

Dec 17, 2011 9:31:24 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

Ahahahaahaha, fail. If he had no internal organs, he would have felt no pain. At no time in the Robo movies is it stated that Robo was programmed to fell pain like a human. And this:



Try again?

I'm sure he wasn't programmed to feel any emotional responses, and yet we know he feels a whole range of them. Your reply is utter bullshit on it's face.

[/b][/quote] Who's talking about emotions? I'm talking about internal organs.

how do human organs sustain themselves? Why do humans need to ingest food? Answer those question and you'll understand.

C-Master called it right, the brain and nerves are still there. Are nerves considered an organ now?

OK, so you are saying that Murphy needs the baby food to sustain his brain? His facial skin? Oh God please let it be so.

A degestion pot is a set of fucking organs now? Are you serious here or just trolling? We already said that robocop has one (Count it again 'ONE') Organic organ remaining, and that is his brain. No liver, no stomach, no kidneys, no intestines, no heart, no lungs, no blood, just a Brain, and spine with living nerves. The rest was blown to shit by Bottiger's gang, with shotguns.

Wow, such epic fail. Observe:



Murphy's vest took the brunt of the damage. Some got through, yes, but no, his organs were not "blown to shit by Bottiger's gang, with shotguns." If a shotgun round had destroyed his heart, he would have been dead FAR before he was brought to the hospital. He would have been dead in seconds, if not instantly.

Besides, if it where true, then Morton, the guy that built Robocop, is a functional retard.

He was a retard for not
building a robot from scratch.

When did he expoit this weakness? And, since John was broadcasting this information daily, everyone and their dog knows it.

Mhm, and? Doesn't matter where Reese learned what he knows, all that matters is that he knows it.

WTF? How does this pile of non-canon drivel dispute what Morton said?

I'm sorry, when did he say that ALL of Robo's organs had been removed?

Bottiger's blood. Remember the cracked chest plate? Are you saying you cannot conceive that blood in such vast amounts did not seep into an open crack in a chestplate?

There was blood on the SPEAR, dumbass.

You'd better change this statement, and your attitude very quickly RJ... I may not be a Nazi mod like the ones whom canned you on KMC, but even I have a limit as to how much shit I'll take for the sake of debating...

Pfffft, flex your E pecs elsewhere, Ushgarak Jr.....You started the insults, I replied returned the favor.

If you can't take it, don't bring it. You wanna ban me? See if I give a shit. All it'll prove is that you're butthurt .

And you explained nothing at no other time in this entire thread.

Yes, I did. I explained it so that even a grade schooler gets it. Says something for your intelligence level.

My answer to all 3 is, "Does It Matter?" Answer: No it doesn't, and I'll explain why below.

Ha, dodge. I'll explain below.

So, we are to Assume then that Hyper Alloy, despite being very non-descripit in the movies, has no testable procedure to conclude durability, has never been described by anyone, is somehow making someone stronger and more durable than his opponent whom, actually HAS demonstrated several times that he is stronger and more durable? And all of this because of a vague statement nobody made? You've never heard of hyperbole have you?

I am going by what was said AND shown. The hyperalloy T Units were shown taking FAR more abuse than the 600's. You really need me to quote scenes?

No, you have not proven it RJ, the only thing you did was wave your arms and state the same thing repeatedly like a broken record. Logical fallacies do not make an argument more accurate.

[/b][/quote]

What's the baby food for? Stop dodging and answer.

Which is both incorrect, and a completely different set of circumstances, considering we have feats for Marvel's Adamantium backing it up.

Ok, RJ, let me put this another way.

by your definition, Hyper Alloy gives the T-unit an advantage in durability, right?

But, in all cases we have seen Hyper Alloy proven to be only on par, or even LESS durable than Titanium.

Now, lets say, per square inch, that Hyper Alloy is more durable than Titanium. #1: It doesn;t matter because of the Terminators near skeletal construction. Murphy has alot of solid plate armor all over him, he has a more sturdy construction design, and is thus more durable. Lets use the proverbial steel rod that you brought up. It took a heck of a lot of damage to Murphy's chestplate to make him vulnerable to the rod's attack. And Bottiger caused pain to be sure, but did no actual damage to Murphy at all beyond that. Murphy was still fully functional. Whereas in T2, the T-800 had to rip through his own arm to free himself from the gear the T-1000 pushed him into, and with a steel rod, he broke through at least 2 solid rods of Hyper Alloy in his forarm to get loose, and later, we see the T-1000 force the same steel rod through the T-800's back and through his primary power cell. Oh my, the durability of Hyper Alloy seems a bit overstated right now...

So, you see, for all the hyperbolic, hyped up statements you bring up of Hyper Alloy, the feats still esily trump it. You cannot explain HOW much more durable Hyper Alloy is than standard titanium, you cannot prove it is more durable irrespective, and since they are different universes, the titanium in Terminator may be entirely different than that in Robocop thanks to artistic license. And finally, even if it IS more durable, the Terminators construction methods in comparison to that of Murphy is still a major weak point for the Terminator. The joints are far less well protected by this Unobtanium Hyper Alloy that, I could say that Murphy could rip the arms and legs off of the T-800 and T-850 and render the Terminator helpless, even if Murphy couldn't penetrate it's upper chest plate or cranium.

Already covered all this. Read what I said, this time pull your head outta your ass.

[Rogue Jedi]

Dec 18, 2011 6:07:26 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Dec 18, 2011 0:53:40 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

Lol, pain receptors.....Riiiiiiiiiiiight.........He was not "registering" pain, he was literally in pain. He was howling like a Lycan giving birth.

Read my previous post, see the pic "Organ digestive pot, FTW", and accept that baby food serves to maintain the organic part of his body.

You do know pain is felt because the brain gives signals right? There's a difference in just "feeling" pain and being severely damaged or disabled anyways.

Lol, so you really believe that Robocop "sensed" the pain, and then screamed like a little girl?

Come on, dude, stop reaching.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Dec 18, 2011 9:55:17 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

Dec 18, 2011 6:07:26 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

You do know pain is felt because the brain gives signals right? There's a difference in just "feeling" pain and being severely damaged or disabled anyways.

Lol, so you really believe that Robocop "sensed" the pain, and then screamed like a little girl?

Come on, dude, stop reaching.

It looks like you're reaching. Robocop feeling pain doesn't mean he was incapacitated or taken out. The bottom line is that he took fall from a skyscraper and kept on going. Some hits from a T unit aren't going to surpass that. People feel pain all of the time, doesn't mean they lost the match.

[Rogue Jedi]

Dec 18, 2011 10:02:54 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Dec 18, 2011 9:55:17 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

Lol, so you really believe that Robocop "sensed" the pain, and then screamed like a little girl?

Come on, dude, stop reaching.

It looks like you're reaching. Robocop feeling pain doesn't mean he was incapacitated or taken out. The bottom line is that he took fall from a skyscraper and kept on going. Some hits from a T unit aren't going to surpass that. People feel pain all of the time, doesn't mean they lost the match.

Not really an answer. Robocop screamed in pain. He didn't "register" it, he FELT it.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Dec 18, 2011 10:41:16 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

Dec 18, 2011 10:02:54 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

It looks like you're reaching. Robocop feeling pain doesn't mean he was incapacitated or taken out. The bottom line is that he took fall from a skyscraper and kept on going. Some hits from a T unit aren't going to surpass that. People feel pain all of the time, doesn't mean they lost the match.

Not really an answer. Robocop screamed in pain. He didn't "register" it, he FELT it.

It is an answer, being in pain didn't put him out of the match. The bottom line is that the T-Unit is simply not tough enough to dish out the damage to take out the T Unit, at least not before he's put out himself. Being "in pain" means nothing, it's about being unable to fight back. Unless this is a "being in pain" match that I'm unaware about. It should be a fight to the finish. Which Robocop is more equipped for.

[Rogue Jedi]

Dec 18, 2011 11:32:31 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Dec 18, 2011 10:41:16 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

Not really an answer. Robocop screamed in pain. He didn't "register" it, he FELT it.

It is an answer, being in pain didn't put him out of the match. The bottom line is that the T-Unit is simply not tough enough to dish out the damage to take out the T Unit, at least not before he's put out himself. Being "in pain" means nothing, it's about being unable to fight back. Unless this is a "being in pain" match that I'm unaware about. It should be a fight to the finish. Which Robocop is more equipped for.

Who said anything about it putting him out of the match? The subject is whether or not Robo has internal organs, dude. The fact that he screamed in pain like you or I would have proves he has internal organs. That, and, you know, baby food.

Zero said earlier "Geezus, your literally claiming that a Terminator punches with more force than an APFSDS round, which is clearly absurd." Fact: the T unit DOES punch with more force. The round he spoke of is an anti tank round, designed to penetrate tank armor and explode within. Comparing the punch of a T unit to this is like comparing the impact of a .357 round striking a bulletproof vest and a knife stabbing through a bulletproof vest. The knife is going to penetrate much easier, yes, but the bullet will strike with much more force.

So let's compare strength feats, yes? I'm talking h2h feats, I'm talking about who is better at ripping other machines apart. You go first.

And speed? Pffffft, Robo is never gonna touch a T unit. He's too SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Dec 18, 2011 18:03:02 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

Dec 18, 2011 11:32:31 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

It is an answer, being in pain didn't put him out of the match. The bottom line is that the T-Unit is simply not tough enough to dish out the damage to take out the T Unit, at least not before he's put out himself. Being "in pain" means nothing, it's about being unable to fight back. Unless this is a "being in pain" match that I'm unaware about. It should be a fight to the finish. Which Robocop is more equipped for.

Who said anything about it putting him out of the match? The subject is whether or not Robo has internal organs, dude. The fact that he screamed in pain like you or I would have proves he has internal organs. That, and, you know, baby food.

Zero said earlier "Geezus, your literally claiming that a Terminator punches with more force than an APFSDS round, which is clearly absurd." Fact: the T unit DOES punch with more force. The round he spoke of is an anti tank round, designed to penetrate tank armor and explode within. Comparing the punch of a T unit to this is like comparing the impact of a .357 round striking a bulletproof vest and a knife stabbing through a bulletproof vest. The knife is going to penetrate much easier, yes, but the bullet will strike with much more force.

So let's compare strength feats, yes? I'm talking h2h feats, I'm talking about who is better at ripping other machines apart. You go first.

And speed? Pffffft, Robo is never gonna touch a T unit. He's too SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW.

He can shoot a T unit.

Robocop has a (part) of a brain, that's it. That's what they said in the movie (cannon) that's what they say in his bios and everything else.

Robocop has taken rounds from ED 209, which were cannon type rounds. He's taken far more than what a T-Unit has to offer, hell he even took them apart in the comics. You're saying he can't handle one?

[Rogue Jedi]

He can shoot a T unit.

[/b][/quote] lulz, how? He takes way too long to draw and aim. It'd be like you or I trying to shoot Edward Cullen.

Robocop has a (part) of a brain, that's it. That's what they said in the movie (cannon) that's what they say in his bios and everything else.

Then why the baby food? Why is the digestive port by his kidneys?

Damn I'm getting tired of that being dodged.

Robocop has taken rounds from ED 209, which were cannon type rounds. He's taken far more than what a T-Unit has to offer, hell he even took them apart in the comics. You're saying he can't handle one?

True, he took that, BUT, as I stated earlier, he has never, not once, faced a machine that, like the T Unit, is known to rip other machines apart. Robo's armor has zero feats in that regard.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Dec 20, 2011 2:08:00 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

He can shoot a T unit.

[/b][/quote] lulz, how? He takes way too long to draw and aim. It'd be like you or I trying to shoot Edward Cullen.

Then why the baby food? Why is the digestive port by his kidneys?

Damn I'm getting tired of that being dodged.

Robocop has taken rounds from ED 209, which were cannon type rounds. He's taken far more than what a T-Unit has to offer, hell he even took them apart in the comics. You're saying he can't handle one?

True, he took that, BUT, as I stated earlier, he has never, not once, faced a machine that, like the T Unit, is known to rip other machines apart. Robo's armor has zero feats in that regard.[/quote] He has superb aiming skills, and may not even even need that.

Again, the brain uses up plenty of energy for its size and needs to be replenished. I'm not dodging anything, as a matter of fact, do you have *any* canon saying anything about Murphy having his "other" organs intact? Shouldn't have to keep drilling that in.

[Rogue Jedi]

He has superb aiming skills, and may not even even need that.

His aim is too slow. T unit bobs and weaves, avoids being shot, rips Robo to pieces.

Again, the brain uses up plenty of energy for its size and needs to be replenished. I'm not dodging anything, as a matter of fact, do you have *any* canon saying anything about Murphy having his "other" organs intact? Shouldn't have to keep drilling that in.

Fail. If it needed the baby food, port would be on his head. The port is for his internal organs.


Saying? Nope. You have anything canon saying he doesn't have organs? I have several screen moments to back my claim.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Dec 21, 2011 0:39:53 GMT -5 Rogue Jedi said:

He has superb aiming skills, and may not even even need that.

His aim is too slow. T unit bobs and weaves, avoids being shot, rips Robo to pieces.

Again, the brain uses up plenty of energy for its size and needs to be replenished. I'm not dodging anything, as a matter of fact, do you have *any* canon saying anything about Murphy having his "other" organs intact? Shouldn't have to keep drilling that in.

Fail. If it needed the baby food, port would be on his head. The port is for his internal organs.


Saying? Nope. You have anything canon saying he doesn't have organs? I have several screen moments to back my claim.

Based off of what, he's fought fast moving enemies.

That doesn't mean anything. If you watch the original cut of the film (the directors cut) you'll see he was shot to pieces, lost his body and part of his brain because a huge chunk of his head was blown out. They salvaged his remaining brain and kept his nervous system which is why he feels pain. Could you please post these canon movie clips.

You're the only one arguing in this thread that the T Unit will "bob and weave"in to destroy Robocop who has taken far more serious force than what the T -Unit can do with it's hands. Hell Robocop can bend steel as well with his bare hands, so he's not useless up close.

[Darkstorm Zero]

If you did, you would have provided them pages ago RJ...

And it's not up to us to prove a negative. You made the claim, you provide the evidence.

[Rogue Jedi]

Dec 21, 2011 2:25:01 GMT -5 Darkstorm Zero said:

If you did, you would have provided them pages ago RJ...

And it's not up to us to prove a negative. You made the claim, you provide the evidence.

I already did, dude. Baby food is exhibit A, blood on Bott's spear is Exhibit B, the pictures I posted is exhibit C.

A, B C, easy as 1, 2, 3.


Wait, exhibit D is Robo screaming in pain when Bott stabs him.



Pwned.