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Post by Blaze72 on Sept 28, 2011 4:26:25 GMT -5
Robocop with his standard sidearm and a Gunarm
the Terminator with a 9mm and a shotgun
fight takes place out in the street after the petrol station blew up.
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Sept 28, 2011 7:33:14 GMT -5
Robocop with his standard sidearm and a Gunarm the Terminator with a 9mm and a shotgun fight takes place out in the street after the petrol station blew up. I want to say Robocop initially, hmm... |
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 28, 2011 9:12:18 GMT -5
Which T model?
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Post by Blaze72 on Sept 28, 2011 9:31:57 GMT -5
T-101
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 28, 2011 9:42:49 GMT -5
Terminator.
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Post by rbtd on Sept 28, 2011 17:42:10 GMT -5
Hahahaa, Robocop in a stomp.  |
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Post by Darkstorm Zero on Sept 28, 2011 21:29:00 GMT -5
Actually, Murphy's gun-arm makes this incredibly one sided.... That thing has a missile launcher on it, and missiles are very bad for T-800 Terminators.
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Post by Blaze72 on Sept 29, 2011 1:12:50 GMT -5
Okay then lets have the gun arm without the missile launcher function.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 29, 2011 3:46:08 GMT -5
Terminator.
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Post by rbtd on Sept 29, 2011 18:29:21 GMT -5
Fight has already been done, Robocop was capable enough to take on multiple Terminators at a time and win, though he was damaged.
Figured that pic would have clued you.
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Post by Blaze72 on Sept 30, 2011 2:55:20 GMT -5
Yeah but Rogue Jedi likes the Terminator more... so Robocop loses.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 30, 2011 9:28:45 GMT -5
Robocop was taken apart by a power saw. Terminator, well, watch T3.
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Post by Darkstorm Zero on Oct 1, 2011 19:49:55 GMT -5
#1: it was an industrial metalworks flat-bladed saw, you know, designed to cut through industrial grade heavy metals and concrete? it would have no problems cutting a T-800 apart... Especially if it had just gone through a jackhammering like Murphy did.
#2: Murphy's armor survives anti-tank munitions from both the ED-209 and Kane, a T-800 was blown in half by a stick of dynamite
#3: The T-850 is not the same as a T-800 that is in this thread.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Oct 1, 2011 23:38:15 GMT -5
#1: it was an industrial metalworks flat-bladed saw, you know, designed to cut through industrial grade heavy metals and concrete? it would have no problems cutting a T-800 apart... Especially if it had just gone through a jackhammering like Murphy did. See bottom quote. See below. The 850 referred to itself as the T-101. The T-101 is the one the thread starter specified. Now, having said that, the 850 had far superior screen feats. How exactly is Robocop, slow as molasses, supposed to draw a bead on the T unit? Robocop is sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow. |
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Post by Darkstorm Zero on Oct 2, 2011 4:32:11 GMT -5
which does not address point #1 at all. Which doesn't address point #2 at all. The 850 referred to itself as the T-101. The T-101 is the one the thread starter specified. Incorrect. Play from 04:50. Cyberdyne systems model 101 T-800 Infiltration Unit is it's official designation. The T-850 being it's upgrade. It was never specified which T version was being used, and there has never been a mention on what model number the T=850 actually is. Thank you for playing. Now, having said that, the 850 had far superior screen feats. How exactly is Robocop, slow as molasses, supposed to draw a bead on the T unit? Robocop is sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow. Since Murphy has hit faster targets before, and the fact that all of the Terminators weapons are not even going to scratch his finish, the question you must ask yourself is this..... What the hell is the Terminator going to do to him? I mean seriously, a 9mm parabellum round and 12 guage shells are going to do precisely jack-shit. |
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Post by Blaze72 on Oct 2, 2011 6:04:59 GMT -5
Yeah when it comes to Robocops armor its "titanium laminated with Kevlar".
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Oct 2, 2011 8:53:51 GMT -5
Incorrect. Play from 04:50. Cyberdyne systems model 101 T-800 Infiltration Unit is it's official designation. The T-850 being it's upgrade. It was never specified which T version was being used, and there has never been a mention on what model number the T=850 actually is. Thank you for playing. Now, having said that, the 850 had far superior screen feats. How exactly is Robocop, slow as molasses, supposed to draw a bead on the T unit? Robocop is sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow. Since Murphy has hit faster targets before, and the fact that all of the Terminators weapons are not even going to scratch his finish, the question you must ask yourself is this..... What the hell is the Terminator going to do to him? I mean seriously, a 9mm parabellum round and 12 guage shells are going to do precisely jack-shit. Oh well. Whatever the case, T 800 probably gets toasted here. Any T unit after that (850 and beyond) rapes Robocop. On a side note, it's lame to pit the second weakest T unit against Robocop, AND to give Robocop a damn hand cannon. Hand cannon and 9mm vs 12 gauge and 9 mm.....Spite much? What exactly is under the skin on Murphy's face? Are all his human organs gone? |
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Post by Frisky The Wolf Lord on Oct 2, 2011 22:05:28 GMT -5
Murphy. In the comic, the Terminator was sort of like fodder for Robocop.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Oct 2, 2011 23:58:39 GMT -5
And it was the 800, right?
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Post by Darkstorm Zero on Oct 3, 2011 1:00:10 GMT -5
The T-850 does not rape Robocop either RJ. The T-850's capabilities arn't all that much higher than a standard T-800, certainly not enough to match the penetrative power of a AT shell. Thats what it took to ding Murphy's armor, and the T-850 ain't coming anywhere near that strength wise.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Oct 3, 2011 1:49:09 GMT -5
I call bullshit. Here's what we have here:
Robocop: Part man, part machine. He has internal organs, why else would they feed him baby food? He's human underneath all that armor and the cybernetic replacement parts. The T unit has detailed files on human anatomy, dude. It can see inside humans (as seen in Terminator Salvation when the 800 could see Marcus's heart beating.) Robocop is slow, so slow he'll never get a clear shot at the T unit. Durability? Yes, Robocop took a helluva lot of abuse, but in Robocop 2, a single bullet fired by that kid fucked Robocop's tracking system good. Imagine what a shotgun blast would do. Also, ripping Robocop apart is far different than the impact of an AT shell.
T-800: All machine with detailed files on human anatomy, FAR advanced in every way. Faster, stronger. And see the bold print above.
And again, giving Robocop his Gunarm is spite, but truth is he'll never hit the T unit with it. It takes Robocop way too long to draw and fire (took him 5 seconds to draw his Auto 9 and aim at the CyberNinja.) In that timeframe, the T unit will close the distance between them, rip Robocop's Gunarm off, stick it up Robocop's ass and unload it.
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Post by Darkstorm Zero on Oct 3, 2011 3:29:50 GMT -5
I call bullshit. Here's what we have here: I call double bullshit then. Reasons as responses... Robocop: Part man, part machine. He has internal organs, why else would they feed him baby food? He's human underneath all that armor and the cybernetic replacement parts. The T unit has detailed files on human anatomy, dude. It can see inside humans (as seen in Terminator Salvation when the 800 could see Marcus's heart beating.) Robocop is slow, so slow he'll never get a clear shot at the T unit. Durability? Yes, Robocop took a helluva lot of abuse, but in Robocop 2, a single bullet fired by that kid fucked Robocop's tracking system good. Imagine what a shotgun blast would do. Also, ripping Robocop apart is far different than the impact of an AT shell. It was stated in Robocop 2 that if they stripped away the machine he would barely amount to a few peices of meat on a plate. The only reason he ingests that protein syrup is to "Maintain" his organics. You somehow think that the Terminator is going to "Matrix lightning reflex" his way through automatic gunfire, even though no Terminator ever has? Thats retarded. Your talking about a .50 calibur bullet fired from a Desert Eagle at point blank range, and it only stunned him for a moment, he took a much heavier round to the face when the ED-209 punched a hole in his visor with a 20mm Smooth Bore AT round. Thats right folks, we're talking about a difference in ballistics of about 7 orders of magnitude here. And for a number 2 factor for you RJ, a 12 guage shotshell, even a MAG 12 guage, has hardly the same penetration of a .50 cal, nevermind a 20mm AT. Your theory requires damage to even get through, how is he going to "Rip Apart" what he cannot penetrate? T-800: All machine with detailed files on human anatomy, FAR advanced in every way. Faster, stronger. And see the bold print above. Faster and more nimble, agile and maneuverable, but stronger? more durable? No... What it took to down Murphy was several times what it took to down a a T-850 or below. You forget, Murphy took a Bazooka and a Javelin blast while he was in his car, along with about 5 assault rifles and LMGs worth of gunfire completely untarnished. And again, giving Robocop his Gunarm is spite, but truth is he'll never hit the T unit with it. It takes Robocop way too long to draw and fire (took him 5 seconds to draw his Auto 9 and aim at the CyberNinja.) In that timeframe, the T unit will close the distance between them, rip Robocop's Gunarm off, stick it up Robocop's ass and unload it.  Right, because the Gunarm SO has to be drawn... Right?. Not to mention that Murphy has quickdrawn before. And lets add to that, how in the ever living hell is a Terminator, known for it's own slow paced walk and tanking firearms suddenly going to sprint in and rip off an arm thats every bit as strong and durable as it? Your making this up as you go, Terminators run fast, yes, but they NEVER run into an opponent who stares them down, watch their fights with the T-1000 and the T-X. |
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Oct 3, 2011 4:15:54 GMT -5
I call bullshit. Here's what we have here: I call double bullshit then. Reasons as responses... It was stated in Robocop 2 that if they stripped away the machine he would barely amount to a few peices of meat on a plate. The only reason he ingests that protein syrup is to "Maintain" his organics. Like I said. You think Robocop has anything that can actually harm the skeleton of a T unit? Talk about retarded. Pretty sure it was the kid firing his little machine gun. That was not a .50 cal. A moment is all the T unit needs, dude. 12 gauge blast to the visor (which has a greater IMPACT than a .50 cal), Robocop is stunned, the T unit is on him. Two things: One: The 800, in T4, had molten metal dumped on it and it had zero effect. All that happened was the 800's skin was burned off. It was even tanking point blank grenade blasts. Two: The 850, well, watch the T3 chase scene. Both instances are proof that the T unit is far more durable. Ah, so PIS/CIS is on now? You really wanna go that route? I'll let you think about it before retorting. |
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Post by Darkstorm Zero on Oct 3, 2011 4:38:29 GMT -5
Ok, so because the T-800 and T-850 have skin, I guess they have organs too now, right?  You think Robocop has anything that can actually harm the skeleton of a T unit? Talk about retarded. The very fact that the Endoskeletons got damaged in a truck exploding, and a stick of dynamite blew one right in half tells me, yes. And no, thats not retarded. Pretty sure it was the kid firing his little machine gun. That was not a .50 cal. The machinegun didn't even make an apperance untill the Officer Duffy Arrest scene. watch the movie again, it was a .50 cal Desert Eagle. A moment is all the T unit needs, dude. 12 gauge blast to the visor (which has a greater IMPACT than a .50 cal), Robocop is stunned, the T unit is on him. No, they don't, not even close... A shotgun shell is powerful against unarmored targets because it scatters dozens of lead pellets in a cone, none of those pellets has armor penetration at all, nor do they have the weight of a .50 call bullet, which is what gives it it's amazing stopping power. Two things: One: The 800, in T4, had molten metal dumped on it and it had zero effect. All that happened was the 800's skin was burned off. It was even tanking point blank grenade blasts. Two: The 850, well, watch the T3 chase scene. #1: And yet the same model got blown apart by a stick of dynamite, and had it's leg damaged in a tanker detonation, and the 2nd one fucked it's leg by rolling of the nitrogen tanker.... meanwhile, Murphy's tanking AT shells, grenades, explosive bazooka shells and friggin Javelin missiles.... #2: So.... Being able to hang on to a crane hook through buildings is supposed to impress me? Take a look at the entire RC2 Kane fight scene. Both instances are proof that the T unit is far more durable. Bullshit. The endoskeletons, and even the far more armored HKs where getting done in my missiles and pipe bombs, both of which Murphy has survived in multiples. Ah, so PIS/CIS is on now? You really wanna go that route? I'll let you think about it before retorting. You want to utilise an unseen variable? ok, I point you to the Cyber Ninjas, of whom are FAR faster than any Terminator, and of whom Murphy beat the fuck out of. |
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Oct 3, 2011 8:43:52 GMT -5
Ok, so because the T-800 and T-850 have skin, I guess they have organs too now, right? No, they are all machine. Robocop is half man, half machine. He eats baby food to sustain is internal organs. High end feats, bro. Wait, didn't the kid shoot him when Robocop confronted him? Who said anything about armor penetration? A 12 gauge round to the visor will, at the least, stun Robo. A 12 gauge blast will knock a man off his feet. And Robo was taken apart by a power saw. Point? Sure, all the T unit did was hang on to a crane hook. Sure. Oh really? So Robocop's armor would tank having molten metal dumped on it? Would survive what the T unit's skeleton went through in T3? Not. I was asking you if you wanted to include PIS/CIS here. Think carefully on that. Also, think carefully on this: The T unit was shot from a few feet away by the TX's plasma cannon and it did nothing to the T unit's endoskeleton. Not even a scratch. Not a dent. TX's plasma cannon>>>>>>>Gunarm and Robo's 9mm, and a fucking power saw. Here's another tidbit: T-600 models had a titanium alloy endoskeleton.The T-800 was Skynet's first cybernetic organism, with living tissue over a hyperalloy endoskeleton.Robocop's armor, as stated earlier, is titanium laminated with Kevlar.See that? See what the 600 and Robocop have in common? Both made of Titanium. Now, the 800, far stronger than the 600, is made of hyperalloy. Do the math, dude. Hyperalloy>>>>>>>Titanium. So, as it stands, the T unit is faster, more agile, more durable and stronger. The only T unit Robocop would have a chance against is a 600. Questions? |
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Post by rbtd on Oct 3, 2011 17:13:49 GMT -5
I love how in every thread this Rogue Jedi makes things up along the way to win. LuLZ. Anyhow.
Robocop's face is the only part of him that is organic on the outside, it's just skin though and not needed to function. He says something like "they made this to honor him[Murphy]" while gesturing to his face.
As far as getting to his partial-brain and whichever few organs are inside his hull, it takes a lot more than conventional ammo and whatever strength a Terminator could dish out. Robocop is designed to survive massive amounts of trauma. He survived falling from a skyscraper in Robocop 2 and sustained no noticeable damage.
I see that Darkstorm Zero has already gone through the laundry list of the weapon's damage he shrugged off.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Oct 3, 2011 23:51:10 GMT -5
I love how in every thread this Rogue Jedi makes things up along the way to win. LuLZ. Anyhow. Make things up? All facts, babe. You want links? I smell bullshit. Baby food= Internal organs. You want links? Stop. Hyperalloy>>>>>Titanium. This is fact. And I have countered everything he threw my way. T units are faster, stronger and more durable? Try harder. |
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Post by Darkstorm Zero on Oct 4, 2011 3:53:56 GMT -5
No, they are all machine. Robocop is half man, half machine. He eats baby food to sustain is internal organs. "Sustaining organic components" which means skin, blood, surviving brain parts, and perhaps a little bit of spine like Kane, NOWHERE has it ever been stated that Murphy retained any other internal organs, and until you back this statement up, your little stunt can be ignored. which do not negate low ends RJ. Wait, didn't the kid shoot him when Robocop confronted him? Yes, at the start of the movie, in the nuke drug labs, a good 30 minutes before Duffy's arrest. Who said anything about armor penetration? A 12 gauge round to the visor will, at the least, stun Robo. A 12 gauge blast will knock a man off his feet. ...... Wut? Good lord.... RJ, The dude was tanking Anti Tank rounds from ED-209 to the Visor and didn't drop, and less than 5 minutes later he was assaulted by 20 cops with full SWAT gear, including Shotguns, and all that did was make Murphy retreat, it' didn't stun or kill him. And Robo was taken apart by a power saw. Point? And there you have it ladies and gerbils, RJ returns to a previously defeated point when his current points run aground. I just got through explaining to you that that was not a friggin power saw you'd find in your dad's garage, it was an industrial metalworks saw that is DESIGNED to cut through industrial grade heavy metals, you know, the ones designed to HOLD UP THOUANDS OF TONNES WORTH OF BUILDINGS? And this is AFTER Murpy got jackhammered and shot with a .50 SAW LMG and electrocuted. Such machines would have stuff all trouble cutting through Terminators, considering it took a truck impact to fuck one of it's legs in Terminator 1. Sure, all the T unit did was hang on to a crane hook. Sure. Oh, and the climbing, cant forget that..... Right? is there a point to your rambling SOMEWHERE in the future? Oh really? So Robocop's armor would tank having molten metal dumped on it? Would survive what the T unit's skeleton went through in T3? Not. He already did, more than once I might add. And just how much molten metal are we reffering to here? whats it's temperature? It's nice to throw out arbatrary feats, but if you cannot give me the figures at least, they are meaningless. I was asking you if you wanted to include PIS/CIS here. Define PIS and CIS, since your interpretation of these statements may not co-incide with mine. Think carefully on that. Also, think carefully on this: The T unit was shot from a few feet away by the TX's plasma cannon and it did nothing to the T unit's endoskeleton. Not even a scratch. Not a dent. TX's plasma cannon>>>>>>>Gunarm and Robo's 9mm, and a fucking power saw. Your a horrible liar RJ.... The Plasma shot fucking pierced the T-850's torso and penetrated one of it's fission batteries, hence why he tossed it out the window during their drive away. All your doing here is demonstrating your lack of knowlege and/or memory of either movie series. Here's another tidbit: T-600 models had a titanium alloy endoskeleton.Yeah, and? The T-800 was Skynet's first cybernetic organism, with living tissue over a hyperalloy endoskeleton.Quantify Hyper-alloy, if that is your point. Robocop's armor, as stated earlier, is titanium laminated with Kevlar.*Sigh* which means?..... See that? See what the 600 and Robocop have in common? Both made of Titanium. Now, the 800, far stronger than the 600, is made of hyperalloy. Do the math, dude. Hyperalloy>>>>>>>>>Titanium. You just outright stated it was reinforced Titanium, and since you don't know the specifics of Hyper-alloy, you can't prove either way wether or not it is stronger than reiforced titanium. geez, owned again! So, as it stands, the T unit is faster, more agile, more durable and stronger. The only T unit Robocop would have a chance against is a 600. Uhuh.... yeah, Until you gain some strength and durability feats that surpass Murphie's, you have no room to make that statement. Where do you get your weed from? Make things up? All facts, babe. You want links? Links would be nice, providing they are legit. I smell bullshit. Baby food= Internal organs. You want links? Then get your nose out of your ass!  I thought Baby food = baby food... Read above. Stop. Hyperalloy>>>>>>>>>Titanium. This is fact. It becomes fact through demonstration, not unqualified statement. And I have countered everything he threw my way. Total lie. T units are faster, stronger and more durable. Try harder. Pfft! Your a funny man RJ. Proclaiming victory with not a shred of credibility or evidence.... I love this. |
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Oct 4, 2011 8:20:37 GMT -5
No, they are all machine. Robocop is half man, half machine. He eats baby food to sustain is internal organs. "Sustaining organic components" which means skin, blood, surviving brain parts, and perhaps a little bit of spine like Kane, NOWHERE has it ever been stated that Murphy retained any other internal organs, and until you back this statement up, your little stunt can be ignored. I guess there's no way to accurately prove or disprove what organs are left inside him. Moot point. Actually, high end feats>>>low end feats. And it stunned him, if I recall. And why do you think he was retreating? Proof? A truck impact? He was ran over and dragged by a damn semi. He was slammed into concrete and steel walls, into the front of a fire truck, and all he suffered was damage to his skin sheath. Robocop? Boddicker ran a metal rod through him. I don't remember Robocop having molten metal dumped on him. A gazillion degrees, fact. PIS: Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. CIS: Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. No, all it did was pierce his skin and damage his power cell. It didn't pierce his skeleton. I was actually watching the scene above when I posted that. Try it. And they were easily destroyed. Pretty sure it's fictional. Which means it's maybe a bit more durable than a T 600. The kevlar doesn't help as much as you think. The specifics of hyperalloy? Dude, the 800 was WAY more durable than the 600, do you agree? Let's see......How about in T3 when the T unit was firing a Browning .50 cal from the hip and carrying a coffin filled with a shitload of weapons and John Connor, all without losing a step? Your mom. Define legit links. Ok, what is the purpose of baby food, in real life? No, screen feats prove that hyperalloy>>>>>Titanium. Nah. Not a shred, eh? Is the 800 more durable than the 600? |
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Post by rbtd on Oct 4, 2011 11:38:44 GMT -5
I love how in every thread this Rogue Jedi makes things up along the way to win. LuLZ. Anyhow. Make things up? All facts, babe. You want links? I smell bullshit. Baby food= Internal organs. You want links? Stop. Hyperalloy>>>>>Titanium. This is fact. And I have countered everything he threw my way. T units are faster, stronger and more durable? Try harder. Everything thing you said had nothing to do with what I said. Good job. Only part of Robocop that is flesh EXTERNALLY is the skin on his face. /fact What does "hyperalloy > titanium" have to do with Robocop being ridiculously resistance to blunt-force trauma? Point was, if Robocop can survive falling off a skyscraper, a Terminator isn't going to beat/pound him to death. While we've seen Terminator's get damaged by being run-over by a truck and blow in two by a homemade pipe-bomb. His [partial] brain is an internal organ and that's what the baby food is for. Bob Morton says "total body prosthesis" while they're building him, indicating Robocop's body is all machine. You need to watch Robocop 1-2-3; then argue. |
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Right, because the Gunarm SO has to be drawn... Right?. Not to mention that Murphy has quickdrawn before. And lets add to that, how in the ever living hell is a Terminator, known for it's own slow paced walk and tanking firearms suddenly going to sprint in and rip off an arm thats every bit as strong and durable as it?
