Satanism!

[warmunger]

What makes this religon so appealing to those who practice it?

Your thoughts?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

warmunger said:

What makes this religon so appealing to those who practice it?

Your thoughts?

Alot of it just comes from the rebellious nature of it... there are few that I'd say are truly serious with it...

[darthrevan]

I also believe people are attracted to it because Satan lies, and says that he will give us whatever we want.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

darthrevan said:

I also believe people are attracted to it because Satan lies, and says that he will give us whatever we want.

I wonder how many Satanists actually understand the concepts of Satan?

[warmunger]

Do these people really get what they want? Most likely not, but I wonder what stops them from realizing that. I wonder will the Devil role out the read carpet when they get to Hell, or will he treat them like the rest?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

warmunger said:

Do these people really get what they want? Most likely not, but I wonder what stops them from realizing that. I wonder will the Devil role out the read carpet when they get to Hell, or will he treat them like the rest?

Kinda interesting to ponder, but most likely like the rest, because that's what they want in the first place (if they are the extreme type, and not the stereotype).

[warmunger]

That's what they want? I thought they would want to be kings in Hell, not just the Devil's slave. Why else would you worship him?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

warmunger said:

That's what they want? I thought they would want to be kings in Hell, not just the Devil's slave. Why else would you worship him?

I guess some people just have a thing against God.

[tshern]

Hopefully I'm not completely lost here, but satanism is not actually about the Devil. At least in Finnish, there's a clear difference between satanism and worshipping the Satan.

Satanism is a religion that has absolutely nothing to do with the Devil. In fact, it denies the existence of supernatural beings and emphasizes the importance of individuals. Everyone has the control over their life and should seek for happiness instead of sitting around praying it to fall from the sky. No compulsory rituals or anything.

Worshipping the Devil on the other hand is the thing popularized by the young emo kiddos thinking that the Devil is that damn cool. Then they walk around kicking tombstones and hoping to make a difference. One bad sad thing to exist really.

My point is that do not mix these things if the same difference also applies in English. Satanism has nothing bad in it, if it is in the form I described it above. Worshipping the Devil and damaging property and people like that sucks.

[Magic attack]

tshern said:

Hopefully I'm not completely lost here, but satanism is not actually about the Devil. At least in Finnish, there's a clear difference between satanism and worshipping the Satan.

They are referring to Theistic Satanism, people believe Satan is an actual deity, rather than the celebration of selfishness and pleasure.

There are many forms of worship that is called Satanism. Don't worry, you arent the first to make that same mistake on this forum.

Satanism is a religion that has absolutely nothing to do with the Devil. In fact, it denies the existence of supernatural beings and emphasizes the importance of individuals. Everyone has the control over their life and should seek for happiness instead of sitting around praying it to fall from the sky. No compulsory rituals or anything.

Worshipping the Devil on the other hand is the thing popularized by the young emo kiddos thinking that the Devil is that damn cool. Then they walk around kicking tombstones and hoping to make a difference. One bad sad thing to exist really.

My point is that do not mix these things if the same difference also applies in English. Satanism has nothing bad in it, if it is in the form I described it above.

I assume you are referring to the philosophy of Anton Szandor LaVey?

Worshipping the Devil and damaging property and people like that sucks.

I will wait till you answer before responding to this.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

tshern said:

Hopefully I'm not completely lost here, but satanism is not actually about the Devil. At least in Finnish, there's a clear difference between satanism and worshipping the Satan.

Satanism is a religion that has absolutely nothing to do with the Devil. In fact, it denies the existence of supernatural beings and emphasizes the importance of individuals. Everyone has the control over their life and should seek for happiness instead of sitting around praying it to fall from the sky. No compulsory rituals or anything.

Worshipping the Devil on the other hand is the thing popularized by the young emo kiddos thinking that the Devil is that damn cool. Then they walk around kicking tombstones and hoping to make a difference. One bad sad thing to exist really.

My point is that do not mix these things if the same difference also applies in English. Satanism has nothing bad in it, if it is in the form I described it above. Worshipping the Devil and damaging property and people like that sucks.

I know it isn't all about it, I was just talking about the extremes of it. Which is why I said that most who actually do it aren't that extreme, that is just the "popular" concept of it.

[tshern]

True. I just don't like people disliking the concept of satanism just because it has bad extremes. Should we always concentrate on the bad examples, Christianity would be one of the worst things ever to ravage the planet. Luckily nothing is that black and white.

[warmunger]

Why is it called SATANism if it has nothing to do with Satan? What is the difference between Satanism and Atheist. If you don't mind me asking, Tshern, what is your religious affiliation?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

tshern said:

True. I just don't like people disliking the concept of satanism just because it has bad extremes. Should we always concentrate on the bad examples, Christianity would be one of the worst things ever to ravage the planet. Luckily nothing is that black and white.

Christianity is one of the worst things if you look at the bad examples and look at them in such a way where we blame all the low points of it on the actions of people, rather than the concept. The concept of Christianity isn't bad at all, it's the people who misconstrue it.

[tshern]

shakezula said:

tshern said:

Hopefully I'm not completely lost here, but satanism is not actually about the Devil. At least in Finnish, there's a clear difference between satanism and worshipping the Satan.

They are referring to Theistic Satanism, people believe Satan is an actual deity, rather than the celebration of selfishness and pleasure.

There are many forms of worship that is called Satanism. Don't worry, you arent the first to make that same mistake on this forum.





I assume you are referring to the philosophy of Anton Szandor LaVey?

Worshipping the Devil and damaging property and people like that sucks.

I will wait till you answer before responding to this.

I'm sorry, I had utterly missed this post. Sorry that I kept you waiting.

Okay, so they were referring to it. In Finnish there's a clear distinction between the terms, all different words and such. Haven't discussed it in English before, so I got a bit sidetracked. Sorry about that and thanks for the heads up.

And yes, I'm referring to Anton's religion, philosophy or whatever you want to call it. Not really my cup of tea, but as long as they don't hurt people around them or cause in trouble, I'm totally fine. After all, I'm an atheist and not too many people bother me because of that.

Well, there you go. The ball is again in your corner, so feel free to post me a reply. It should be good...

[Magic attack]

tshern said:

I'm sorry, I had utterly missed this post. Sorry that I kept you waiting.

Its o.k.. I am used to people ignoring me, as all of the women on the forum do that repeatedly. #sadwalk#

Okay, so they were referring to it. In Finnish there's a clear distinction between the terms, all different words and such. Haven't discussed it in English before, so I got a bit sidetracked. Sorry about that and thanks for the heads up.

Not a problem. The English Language, and those that use it, gets a bit complacent sometimes.

And yes, I'm referring to Anton's religion, philosophy or whatever you want to call it. Not really my cup of tea, but as long as they don't hurt people around them or cause in trouble, I'm totally fine. After all, I'm an atheist and not too many people bother me because of that.

Anton's religion does not condone hurting people (at least not initially) or causing trouble.

I am also an Atheist, I really only seem to have a problem with the Jehovah's Witnesses. For some reason they think its alright to come to people's doors and preach.

Do you have many Jehovah's Witnesses in your country?

Well, there you go. The ball is again in your corner, so feel free to post me a reply. It should be good...

lol

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Girls do ignore us alot don't they?

I thought you were agnostic before? Was I mistaken?

[Magic attack]

admin said:

Girls do ignore us alot don't they?

Yes, they do.

I thought you were agnostic before? Was I mistaken?

No you are not, I go back and forth quite often. Depends on my mood I guess.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

shakezula said:

admin said:

Girls do ignore us alot don't they?

Yes, they do.

I thought you were agnostic before? Was I mistaken?

No you are not, I go back and forth quite often. Depends on my mood I guess.

Do these "switches" generally last long?

[tshern]

warmunger said:

Why is it called SATANism if it has nothing to do with Satan? What is the difference between Satanism and Atheist. If you don't mind me asking, Tshern, what is your religious affiliation?

This has to be a talent. Every time I can spare a second and get online, I seem to miss posts pointed at me. I apologize for the inconvenience, warmunger.

As a matter of fact, I don't know why is it call satanism. However, it does not have anything to do with worshipping the Devil. It might be because it is somewhat the opposite of Christianity as it recognises no gods and such. Only an educated guess though, Magic attack might be able to elaborate more on that.

And I don't mind you asking, I'm an open person. Pretty much whatever is asked, I can answer, whether it is politics, religion or personal life. To answer the question: I have been an atheist since I was 14 and I have no reason to change my views.

Magic attack: Sorry for ignoring you, completely not intentional. Of course I could blame my darned ADD and the ungodly amount of work I have on plate at the moment, but I'm not sure if that would suffice. Anyways, the small amount of time I have online these days and my ADD cause me to be damn inconsistent with my answers. This should be a lot easier in April, however...

[Magic attack]

tshern said:

This has to be a talent. Every time I can spare a second and get online, I seem to miss posts pointed at me. I apologize for the inconvenience, warmunger.

As a matter of fact, I don't know why is it call satanism. However, it does not have anything to do with worshipping the Devil. It might be because it is somewhat the opposite of Christianity as it recognises no gods and such. Only an educated guess though, Magic attack might be able to elaborate more on that.

Since you asked so nicely.

'The semantic meaning of Satan is the "adversary" or "opposition" or the "accuser". The very
word "devil" comes from the Indian devi which means "god". Satan represents opposition to
all religions which serve to frustrate and condemn man for his natural instincts. He has been
given an evil role simply because he represents the carnal, earthly, and mundane aspects of
life.

That is taken directly from The Satanic Bible.

The first line refers to the origin of the word Satan which comes from the Hebrew word for adversary.

The second line refers to the origin of the word Devil. Now Lavey makes mention that Devi means god in Sanskrit. Now my memory of Sanskrit isn't all that great, but I thought that Devi was goddess and Deva was the actual word for god. That is splitting hairs as both words are very close and are used to show a God or Deity. So feel free to ignore that last comment.

The third and fourth lines are showing how religions use the word to represent something as evil, strictly because of it's actions. These aren't actions relating to murder, rape, or robbing someone. Those types of actions are purely evil. The actions that Lavey is referring to are more towards the lines of self indulgence.

To put it simply, the name Satanism really has nothing to do with Satan himself, just the meaning of the word - "adversary" or "opposition".

tshern said:

And I don't mind you asking, I'm an open person. Pretty much whatever is asked, I can answer, whether it is politics, religion or personal life. To answer the question: I have been an atheist since I was 14 and I have no reason to change my views.

Magic attack: Sorry for ignoring you, completely not intentional. Of course I could blame my darned ADD and the ungodly amount of work I have on plate at the moment, but I'm not sure if that would suffice. Anyways, the small amount of time I have online these days and my ADD cause me to be damn inconsistent with my answers. This should be a lot easier in April, however...

Its cool tshern. This is a pretty laid back forum.


If anyone is interested in a digital copy of The Satanic Bible, let me know.

[alfheim]

tshern said:

As a matter of fact, I don't know why is it call satanism. However, it does not have anything to do with worshipping the Devil. It might be because it is somewhat the opposite of Christianity as it recognises no gods and such. Only an educated guess though, Magic attack might be able to elaborate more on that.

From what I can remember they dont belive in the Devil but they see him as a role model. Its like for example if we had Batmanism, the people who follow Batmanism dont belive that Batman exists but they believe the stories about him can inspire.

As far as I know there is also Lucifieranism, where people actually worship Lucifer, but they dont belive that he was evil he was just a guy trying to find his own way and became a victim.

There is also goetic magick where people summon demons, but again I dont think most people who do that think the demons are evil just 'different'.

[Psyquis52]

Anyone here ever read The Screwtape Letters?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

psyquis52 said:

Anyone here ever read The Screwtape Letters?

Da Masta has, and he recommended it for me, says it's a good book.

[Psyquis52]

Suffice to say that Tshern's description of Satanism is actually more of a service to Satan than the literal definition.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

psyquis52 said:

Suffice to say that Tshern's description of Satanism is actually more of a service to Satan than the literal definition.

Yes, but Ron cleared that up for us, since he's a smart guy.

[Magic attack]

admin said:

psyquis52 said:

Suffice to say that Tshern's description of Satanism is actually more of a service to Satan than the literal definition.

Yes, but Ron cleared that up for us, since he's a smart guy.

[Psyquis52]

Clearly he did but I thought I'd give literary reference to support.

Nevermind. I'm going back to my bucket.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

psyquis52 said:

Clearly he did but I thought I'd give literary reference to support.

Nevermind. I'm going back to my bucket.

Is that like photobucket?

[warmunger]

A Satanic Bible? I think I'll steer clear of that, I'm already in enough trouble with the Lord.