Stay away from negative people.

[JACK-2]

If you wanna be successful and happy in life. Imo, you should associate with productive, Civil and positive people at the exclusion of negative people I.E. losers.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Feb 13, 2014 18:48:50 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

If you wanna be successful and happy in life. Imo, you should associate with productive, Civil and positive people at the exclusion of negative people I.E. losers.

As a general rule of thumb when you are trying to improve in life you want to hang around others who are past where you are. Hanging around people who are below you will just drag you down. If you want to be a millionaire, hang around other millionaires. Don't hang around people barely getting by or don't have anything because their negativity will just drag you in the soup with them. That goes especially for friends, family, and if you're silly enough to move a woman in with you, those too.

[JACK-2]

Ever heard of value discrepancy between bourgeois and the poor? Basically, middle class people are middle class because of their value system: Fiscally conservative, Civil, Future orient, reason over emotion, etc. Poor people on the otherhand value fatalism, emotionalism, collectivism. These values persist in even different ethnic groups.

It's why I'd rather live in a white neighborhood vs an all black one.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Feb 13, 2014 20:25:20 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Ever heard of value discrepancy between bourgeois and the poor? Basically, middle class people are middle class because of their value system: Fiscally conservative, Civil, Future orient, reason over emotion, etc. Poor people on the otherhand value fatalism, emotionalism, collectivism. These values persist in even different ethnic groups.

It's why I'd rather live in a white neighborhood vs an all black one.

Yes. The ultimate difference in success is the mindset. People who are poor have a mindset that everything is luck and that someone will take care of them. They don't value savings and hard work the same. Whereas a person who is successful believes in making their own luck, saving, investing, and taking care of themselves. Learning from their failures and successes instead of blaming others, etc.

[JACK-2]

Not to mention violent. Since they feel that it's okay to use violence to procure their needs as opposed to trade.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Feb 13, 2014 22:46:15 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Not to mention violent. Since they feel that it's okay to use violence to procure their needs as opposed to trade.

That's because they create nothing of value. They rely on theft, either by doing it the good old fashioned way or using the government.

[JACK-2]

Here's a chart I have comparing and contrasting the values of different socio-economic classes. :

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Feb 13, 2014 23:30:23 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Here's a chart I have comparing and contrasting the values of different socio-economic classes. :

I agree with a lot of that list. Funny how they mentioned the middle class tends to be more nationalistic and the poor tend to be more local. People who want wealth look at the world. It's just a bigger vision all around. Several good points all around, and I like the part about social exclusion. They realize that to become successful you need to cut most people off and not really deal with them.

[JACK-2]

Well, if you value success. You can't hang around losers, I'm not sure what the percentage is. But, my point is focus on constructive things. Quitting forums was a good idea, because it's a waste of time. The time spent arguing a moron could be spent doing something productive.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Feb 13, 2014 23:59:22 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Well, if you value success. You can't hang around losers, I'm not sure what the percentage is. But, my point is focus on constructive things. Quitting forums was a good idea, because it's a waste of time. The time spent arguing a moron could be spent doing something productive.

Well there's the 90/10 rule in general, but when you want to truly soar you might want to make it 99/1%. Doesn't mean you can't talk to anybody, but just focus most of your time with those who are where you want to be.

I had a very good friend I used to talk to on the forums. Great guy. I had his number and we would talk a lot but he was always struggling and barely able to get by. I look at his life habits and he was working a barely suitable job for an adult and he had a kid and a wife that didn't do anything. We talked about success a lot (like I do with you) and he was still making bad decisions, for example he was struggling but he would buy video game consoles and other things when he should have been saving and investing. I was talking to him about women and kids and how they get in the way of accomplishing dreams and that your better off waiting or not doing it at all, not just because of the financial risk but because of the lack of freedom and things like nagging. He agreed but this also bothered him and we hadn't talked in a while, he then sent me a message saying he missed talking to me but that he also felt bad because he wanted to be where I was and that having a family is a burden. Haven't heard from him in like 3-4 years, but it turns out he has -another- kid. So it seems he didn't go the way he said. Cutting off people who are trying to help you is a bad idea. Often people remove those who can help them advance and push associate with other losers and nobodies. That's what most people do because deep down they fear change.

[JACK-2]

To be honest, most of humanity was and is like that outside of a few anamolies [the west]. They have many ancient beliefs that kept them in mind numbing poverty. I've read an interesting book by Gregory Clark called surivial of the richest. It tries to explain why a large middle class developed in Britian and why the industrial revolution happened.

"Clark's answer is that from 1200 to 1800 in England, there was a Darwinian process of "survival of the richest" by which the richest families had the highest fertility rates, so that their offspring spread through the population of England. This evolution favored the spread of middle class or bourgeois values. "Thrift, prudence, negotiation, and hard work were becoming values for communities that previously had been spendthrift, impulsive, violent, and leisure loving" (166). "The bourgeois values of hard work, patience, honesty, rationality, curiosity, and learning" were embedded "into the culture, and perhaps even the genetics" of the English (11)."p


More on the unique anglo culture that formed in britain


" Anglo Americans tend to consider their personal goals over group goals because they are generally goal- and future oriented, especially when it comes to monetary security. To prepare and save for the future is a common Anglo trait, as well as is the tendency to strive for material comfort. Another area in which the Anglo tendency toward being goal oriented is seen is in communication. When Anglos converse, it is usually oriented toward exchanging information in a quick and efficient manner. A direct question often leads to a direct response, often without a great deal of polite small talk. This may explain why Anglo American tourists are often viewed as pushy and rude in other countries. They simply don't want to "waste" time on small talk. As compared to other cultures, Anglo Americans are very direct in addressing their conversation partner, using that person's name often. They also tend to interrupt each other more often.

Another Anglo American characteristic which differs from many other cultures involves the raising of children. Strict discipline, which may include physical punishment, is considered acceptable.

Other typically Anglo American beliefs that the reader will probably recognize are: Man has power over nature, and nature itself has its laws - everything that happens can be scientifically explained. Also, being the first to climb the ladder of success is important and one must strive to be the best; hard work is rewarded, as well as adhering to a time schedule. Anglos are more likely to be competitive instead of cooperative, and, aggressiveness and ability are believed to be responsible for leading a person to great achievements, not fate or destiny."

The rest of humanity is nothing like that and lack the great "Middle Class Values"

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Feb 14, 2014 1:17:39 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

To be honest, most of humanity was and is like that outside of a few anamolies [the west]. They have many ancient beliefs that kept them in mind numbing poverty. I've read an interesting book by Gregory Clark called surivial of the richest. It tries to explain why a large middle class developed in Britian and why the industrial revolution happened.

"Clark's answer is that from 1200 to 1800 in England, there was a Darwinian process of "survival of the richest" by which the richest families had the highest fertility rates, so that their offspring spread through the population of England. This evolution favored the spread of middle class or bourgeois values. "Thrift, prudence, negotiation, and hard work were becoming values for communities that previously had been spendthrift, impulsive, violent, and leisure loving" (166). "The bourgeois values of hard work, patience, honesty, rationality, curiosity, and learning" were embedded "into the culture, and perhaps even the genetics" of the English (11)."p


More on the unique anglo culture that formed in britain


" Anglo Americans tend to consider their personal goals over group goals because they are generally goal- and future oriented, especially when it comes to monetary security. To prepare and save for the future is a common Anglo trait, as well as is the tendency to strive for material comfort. Another area in which the Anglo tendency toward being goal oriented is seen is in communication. When Anglos converse, it is usually oriented toward exchanging information in a quick and efficient manner. A direct question often leads to a direct response, often without a great deal of polite small talk. This may explain why Anglo American tourists are often viewed as pushy and rude in other countries. They simply don't want to "waste" time on small talk. As compared to other cultures, Anglo Americans are very direct in addressing their conversation partner, using that person's name often. They also tend to interrupt each other more often.

Another Anglo American characteristic which differs from many other cultures involves the raising of children. Strict discipline, which may include physical punishment, is considered acceptable.

Other typically Anglo American beliefs that the reader will probably recognize are: Man has power over nature, and nature itself has its laws - everything that happens can be scientifically explained. Also, being the first to climb the ladder of success is important and one must strive to be the best; hard work is rewarded, as well as adhering to a time schedule. Anglos are more likely to be competitive instead of cooperative, and, aggressiveness and ability are believed to be responsible for leading a person to great achievements, not fate or destiny."

The rest of humanity is nothing like that and lack the great "Middle Class Values"

Well it isn't even middle class per se. Humans live better when they follow basic laws like "You can't consume what hasn't been produced" and that wealth comes from savings and not spending. Even in our modern society which was once the richest ever you have people nowadays saying that wealth comes from consumption, which makes no sense. How does using up valuable resources leave you in a better position? Mind you we do drive to have things we enjoy, but those things have to be built first. Our middle class came from our increased productivity which means we had wealthy entrepreneurs investing capital and resources towards those ends, and because of that we had a middle class that was wealthier than any other. Now that we have more socialism and government you are starting to see that middle class fade more and more as people sink into poverty. For example the average Ford worker made way more when Ford was running it because he was able to pay them more and there was no income tax then, no social security, no anything. People were making about $5 a day which was fixed to gold which is about $1600 dollars a week in today's terms. With no income tax. The average Ford worker doesn't make that, and didn't even with Unions.

Most cultures are doomed to repeat this history because most cultures are collectivist. They want to put the "people" before the individual and whether it is government or religions that push this belief it's still there. Whenever I hear things like "money doesn't matter", I just shake my head. These people have been brainwashed and misinformed.

[JACK-2]

I used to be one of those people who said things like "Money doesn't matter". It's a common cultural trait where people have nothing and are dirt poor. It's really Aesops fables and the Fox & The grapes all over again. They can't have money. So, they convince themselves that being poor is "spiritual" or create myths of an afterlife where all the material things they couldn't have in this world exsist. Western culture isn't like that in spite of Christianity.

I think the term "Middle Class Values" comes from the fact that before this value system. There wasn't really a middle class and because people in the past had fixed status [ You were born a noble or a peasant] with no real social mobility outside of a few avenues [becoming a priest for example.]

Also, it also helps to distinguish between middle class and new money vs robber barrons and old money that used government to steal and became rich because they conquered everything. The later was more common in the past than the former.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Feb 14, 2014 9:03:02 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

I used to be one of those people who said things like "Money doesn't matter". It's a common cultural trait where people have nothing and are dirt poor. It's really Aesops fables and the Fox & The grapes all over again. They can't have money. So, they convince themselves that being poor is "spiritual" or create myths of an afterlife where all the material things they couldn't have in this world exsist. Western culture isn't like that in spite of Christianity.

I think the term "Middle Class Values" comes from the fact that before this value system. There wasn't really a middle class and because people in the past had fixed status [ You were born a noble or a peasant] with no real social mobility outside of a few avenues [becoming a priest for example.]

Also, it also helps to distinguish between middle class and new money vs robber barrons and old money that used government to steal and became rich because they conquered everything. The later was more common in the past than the former.

That's because people who are weaker and poorer have to justify their existence in some other way; they have to believe someone will take care of them and solve their problems, or that they'll do well in "another life" since they got nowhere in their current life. The people who don't use religion simply use government as their "fix"


Western culture is very much like that with religion. "Money is the root of all evil", "I'd rather have Jesus than silver and gold", "God will take care of you.", "You don't need money, you need God." Pastors who preach the opposite are in the minority. I can't remember how many churches I went to where they had similar messages. They have to convince people that money is a "worldly thing" with no value compared to God unless you give unto "him" (their churches).

Right, in the past you had more of a caste society and you didn't have the freedom you had to let the middle class grow, which was my point. The people that were called "robber barons" are men that had became incredibly prosperous in a free society and had angry competitors who couldn't compete with what they had to offer (kinda like betas), so they got government involved to tear businesses down so they could compete. The customers weren't complaining since they had good products at low prices. Just wanted to clear that up since our government schools use the word "robber barons" a lot to justify big government.

[JACK-2]

I used the wrong terminology. I mean't that before free-market most people became powerful through stealing via force. Like conquerors for example.

It's unfortunate that so many pastors preach that garbage. It's funny because the old religious groups in america. At least American protestants beliefs like "God wants you rich" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology

I don't blame you with being fed up with church. They have no backbone.

[JACK-2]

Feb 13, 2014 19:55:48 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Real powerful stuff. You can tell he poured his heart out on this video. Of course, stupid people will call him a jerk. But, you can tell he really cares.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Feb 14, 2014 12:45:39 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

I used the wrong terminology. I mean't that before free-market most people became powerful through stealing via force. Like conquerors for example.

It's unfortunate that so many pastors preach that garbage. It's funny because the old religious groups in america. At least American protestants beliefs like "God wants you rich" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology

I don't blame you with being fed up with church. They have no backbone.

Well yea. Back then the ones in power generally had the wealth, plus you lived in more war-like times as well.

Well my grandfather is a church. I think people should be free to do what they want, but I don't necessarily agree with it and I think there are many disturbing parallels to government and Marxism. There might be some exceptions out there of course, but I'd say what I'm talking about is very conssitent.

It isn't even just church. You have those liberal tree hugging types out there that talk about "the evils of consumerism" and the types who always talk about removing material possessions. The problem isn't the possessions, the problem is their lack of self control or ability to say no, whether it's to themselves or to their families. The lack of money is a symptom of a much larger problem.


And yea, Tom says some good stuff here and there. I don't listen to him like I used to since I find Peter to be more intellectually stimulating, but he has some good stuff.

[JACK-2]

"Why should I get a prenup" lol, I almost died.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Feb 14, 2014 14:30:28 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

"Why should I get a prenup" lol, I almost died.

It's embarrassing how many men are brainwashed by society's presentation of women. They think they are innocent and can do no wrong. That or they feel they will never accomplish anything and so it doesn't matter. That's loser thinking. You may be very wealthy in the future. Why take that kind of risk?

[JACK-2]

Yeah, anyone who worships the "P" is a moron. Women are "nice" [Soft skin, smell good, etc] But, the worship is pathetic.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Feb 14, 2014 23:25:51 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Yeah, anyone who worships the "P" is a moron. Women are "nice" [Soft skin, smell good, etc] But, the worship is pathetic.

That's the big difference between betas who don't get any (like most MGTOW members) and alpha types who do. Guys who get the girls see pussy like anything else. They don't make a big deal out of it. They're in control of it. The men who worship it and make the biggest deal out of it end up being taken advantage of and not getting any. It's no surprise that the guys who don't try get the most.

[JACK-2]

Worst yet, is when guys settle for old, fat or ugly females because they can't get young, hot, and pretty ones. Low hanging fruit lol.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Feb 15, 2014 0:17:30 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Worst yet, is when guys settle for old, fat or ugly females because they can't get young, hot, and pretty ones. Low hanging fruit lol.

I guess they're being realistic because they know they won't get the best. I find that better than men whining about not getting laid because they go after chicks out of their league and then get bitter.


If sex weren't so heavily regulated than even the average man would have access to an attractive woman. He'd have to pay per visit, but it's better than dealing with fat cows and buying them dinner and drinks in order to hope you're getting laid.

[JACK-2]

Pretty much, you have to pay for hot women anyway. Whether it's through social currency or real currency.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Feb 15, 2014 0:29:53 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Pretty much, you have to pay for hot women anyway. Whether it's through social currency or real currency.

If you're desirable enough you can get out of giving them anything, but if the woman is out of the man's league he will have to give up an amount proportionate to this difference in the gap. Desirable men have a monopoly on them so they get to pick and choose which makes them compete.

[JACK-2]

I'm not really good with women tbh. In your opinion, what makes a man desirable outside of status and money?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Feb 15, 2014 0:41:13 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

I'm not really good with women tbh. In your opinion, what makes a man desirable outside of status and money?

Looks, charisma, attitude, indifference, knowing you have other options besides them and not catering to her whims etc.