Love Doesn't Exist.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

How do you feel about this? I truly think it doesn't exist, not in the way that people use it at least.


Discuss.

[JACK-2]

Romantic love doesn't exist that's for damn sure. It was a myth created by the troubadours and western civilization took it hook line and sinker.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Feb 22, 2014 5:32:26 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Romantic love doesn't exist that's for damn sure. It was a myth created by the troubadours and western civilization took it hook line and sinker.

Yea that's what I mean. Not love like when people say "I love chocolate". People strongly desire things, but this "magical, happily ever after" type of love is just a fantasy. People do what's in their own self interest, end of as far as I'm concerned.

[misterlc]

I'm surprised that this topic didn't take off, but I'll weigh in on this one. Love exists for many people and it's something that a person would definitely have to experience themselves similar to sight. A blind person may sometimes wonder if sight truly exists at all especially if they were born that way so I can understand the curiosity about the experience of true love. Romantic love is fun so I wonder how you mean when you say that it doesn't exist.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jun 4, 2015 19:40:38 GMT -5 misterlc said:

I'm surprised that this topic didn't take off, but I'll weigh in on this one. Love exists for many people and it's something that a person would definitely have to experience themselves similar to sight. A blind person may sometimes wonder if sight truly exists at all especially if they were born that way so I can understand the curiosity about the experience of true love. Romantic love is fun so I wonder how you mean when you say that it doesn't exist.

I mean I love drawing for instance. It's something I deeply enjoy and find fulfilling. But that's the reason I do it. When I say love I mean in the sense of the "ultimate selflessness" and altruism and special caring, or whatever people call it. My point is that people do what's in their self interest. "Love" is a series of chemicals in the brain one experiences like a drug.

[Great Dark Hero]

"Love" can be interpreted in quite a few ways.
As far as relationships are concerned, a more realistic approach to this would be the point in simply caring for someone or showcasing a large degree of loyalty towards someone. Living "happily ever after"... is a foolish concept. Bullshit in retrospect.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jun 5, 2015 1:29:49 GMT -5 Great Dark Hero said:

"Love" can be interpreted in quite a few ways.
As far as relationships are concerned, a more realistic approach to this would be the point in simply caring for someone or showcasing a large degree of loyalty towards someone. Living "happily ever after"... is a foolish concept. Bullshit in retrospect.

Yea, it is. People ultimately do what's good for them and even their partners and "loyalty" is based on their current options.

That's why young and hot women get more "love" than old, fat, and ugly women.

Men who are attractive and successful get more love than ugly, fat, or homeless guys.

That's the way it is.

[misterlc]

Jun 5, 2015 1:42:56 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Jun 5, 2015 1:29:49 GMT -5 Great Dark Hero said:

"Love" can be interpreted in quite a few ways.
As far as relationships are concerned, a more realistic approach to this would be the point in simply caring for someone or showcasing a large degree of loyalty towards someone. Living "happily ever after"... is a foolish concept. Bullshit in retrospect.

Yea, it is. People ultimately do what's good for them and even their partners and "loyalty" is based on their current options.

That's why young and hot women get more "love" than old, fat, and ugly women.

Men who are attractive and successful get more love than ugly, fat, or homeless guys.

That's the way it is.

Love is not the same as desire. Young hot women are going to have more people desiring their youthfulness and hotness but that doesn't mean that anyone is in love with them for who they really are. People and for the most part all living creatures do what's good for them and the options that they have will be based on their current situations but that's the same in every aspect of life. Love is going to have as many variations as people have variations but the fundamentals are still the same. When you stated earlier that you love drawing it gives the idea that you enjoy it very much. If you were truly in love with drawing (and I'm not saying that you're not) you could say that you have a burning passion for art and can't imagine a day going by in which you do nothing art related, you could draw all day every day and never be bored! When your passion is for a person or people it's not very different than that. Simplifying emotions down to chemicals in the head similar to drugs belies their diversity and complexity. All thought could be presented in the same fashion...just chemicals, nothing more. Would a rose by any other name not smell as sweet? Living happily is happening to lots of people just like I'm sure living miserably is probably happening to more. Why would the "ever after" part be so hard to imagine? 

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jun 5, 2015 20:22:47 GMT -5 misterlc said:

Jun 5, 2015 1:42:56 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Yea, it is. People ultimately do what's good for them and even their partners and "loyalty" is based on their current options.

That's why young and hot women get more "love" than old, fat, and ugly women.

Men who are attractive and successful get more love than ugly, fat, or homeless guys.

That's the way it is.

Love is not the same as desire. Young hot women are going to have more people desiring their youthfulness and hotness but that doesn't mean that anyone is in love with them for who they really are. People and for the most part all living creatures do what's good for them and the options that they have will be based on their current situations but that's the same in every aspect of life. Love is going to have as many variations as people have variations but the fundamentals are still the same. When you stated earlier that you love drawing it gives the idea that you enjoy it very much. If you were truly in love with drawing (and I'm not saying that you're not) you could say that you have a burning passion for art and can't imagine a day going by in which you do nothing art related, you could draw all day every day and never be bored! When your passion is for a person or people it's not very different than that. Simplifying emotions down to chemicals in the head similar to drugs belies their diversity and complexity. All thought could be presented in the same fashion...just chemicals, nothing more. Would a rose by any other name not smell as sweet? Living happily is happening to lots of people just like I'm sure living miserably is probably happening to more. Why would the "ever after" part be so hard to imagine? 

Being attractive or successful is in fact part of who someone really is. Why is appreciating someone because being around them is appealing because of their looks any different than them making you laugh? It's all something you enjoy. I think people are dreaming if they don't think women don't love a dominant man who gives them things. They are hardwired to!

Just like men are hardwired to like attractive women. The bottom line is women who are desirable get more devotion, more suitors, and more things done for them while ugly, fat, and old women are more likely to live alone, make less money, have less relationships, and are more likely to not have a happy and healthy family.

If that homeless man has so much love, then why is he on the streets? How many women do you see in love with a person who's homeless?

"Love" is as self fulfilling as anything else. People take the best they can get. Attractive and successful men don't get undesirable women, just like a person who can afford an excellent car isn't driving one that's falling apart.

Love is a chemical in the brain that people have romanticized to more than what it really is. If you love someone why do you need to get them to sign a binding contract to give up half their wealth if it doesn't work out? A woman's "love" is based on taking... which many men find out in divorce court which has a 50% rate btw.

[misterlc]

I respect your opinion about love but it is just an opinion. Attractiveness is fleeting and success is subjective. Homeless people have relationships more often than not and though those relationships are usually with other homeless people, the same is the case with most distinct groups.As far as women taking... You are probably referring to first world women that do not represent the majority of women in the world. If that is the case all I can do is agree with you and admit that it's sad but true that society teaches us that first world women are to be wooed with superficial displays.

You may find this interesting though. I found some videos on youtube about a controversial scientist that performed experiments on monkeys to prove that love exists and is as important to healthy development as food. The results of his experiments suggest that the brain seeks "love" more vehemently than it seeks food.
The name of the documentary was "Monkey Love" I believe.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 3, 2015 15:48:49 GMT -5 misterlc said:

I respect your opinion about love but it is just an opinion. Attractiveness is fleeting and success is subjective. Homeless people have relationships more often than not and though those relationships are usually with other homeless people, the same is the case with most distinct groups.As far as women taking... You are probably referring to first world women that do not represent the majority of women in the world. If that is the case all I can do is agree with you and admit that it's sad but true that society teaches us that first world women are to be wooed with superficial displays.

You may find this interesting though. I found some videos on youtube about a controversial scientist that performed experiments on monkeys to prove that love exists and is as important to healthy development as food. The results of his experiments suggest that the brain seeks "love" more vehemently than it seeks food.
The name of the documentary was "Monkey Love" I believe.

Attractiveness isn't really "fleeting" it's very powerful. The reason a man commits to a woman is because he's hardwired to want intercourse with her. If it wasn't for that he wouldn't be bothered. You think men just put up with it and pay the expenses of women and don't expect anything in return? It's not realistic. Succeeding is pretty clear and easy to measure and understand. There' a different between failing and succeeding and women want men with more resources, not losers who feel they've succeeded in feeling good about themselves.

Homeless people tend to be more isolated and are definitely not in relationships or married unless they were before. Women who are old have a MUCH harder time finding a mate whereas when they're in their prime they have no problem doing this. Everything you're saying is based on feelings; I'm basing it on reality. Humans do what's in their own self interest and they try to justify it with pretty words to feel better. You have children and get into relationships because you get fulfillment out of it, not because you're doing another person a favor. People are in denial about this and just aren't honest.

Women have taken from men throughout history in exchange for sex. That's how they survived. Do you think they weren't in dependent in the past when you didn't have the technology and resources you have now? There's no way they'd fend for themselves. If they aren't taking from a man directly they take from the government which is just the collective efforts of men providing from them.

People die if they can't eat. You don't need to be in "love" to survive. It's a chemical in your brain that makes you feel good no different than sex, junk food, or playing video games. That's it, nothing more, nothing less.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

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