Western Woman vs Asian Woman

[JACK-2]

When I first heard about “game” I was living in Osaka, Japan. My crew of friends and I were all about picking up women and we had a very machine-gun-like approach to the process. We were all about working the law of averages, knowing that if we talked to enough girls, at some point we’d find a keen girl. We did have a few tactic in place but those were very situational, like how to make sure that your girl put in for the bill without making things awkward. Care to guess how?

What we didn’t have was any over-arching theory, strategy, or system that went beyond “try again,” so when we heard of “game” we immediately started applying the principles. It wasn’t long until we noticed some wide disconnects that, I gradually came to realize, sabotaged some of the best relationships I ever had. It also caused me to leave a lot of get-able girls on the table.

The Secret to Asian Bodies

Many western guys, who are good with women back home, land in Asia and are dumbstruck by the “loser” local guys they see with the beautiful women they want. The basic concept that runs through all ”pickup” theories and “game” back in the West, the concept that will destroy your chances with Asian women, goes by many names. “Be the prize,” “make girls chase,” “show disinterest,” “make her invest in the interaction,” and more will get you nowhere, very, very fast.

meet and date foundations coverAsian girls take their dating lives very seriously in a way that western women don’t. Dating is not primarily a fun activity on the way to love. Dating is, conversely, a series of try outs for marriage – and marriage is important because who she marries will determine her future life situation and that of her offspring more than anything else, save for the family situation she was born into.

In the West, if a woman wants to travel the world, buy designer clothes, and live in a big house, people will tell her to go work her way up the corporate ladder. But, Asia is a traditional place where a woman secures her future by marrying a guy who can provide all the things she wants. If you’re like many foreigners, you scoff at them for doing this and accuse them of being gold diggers. Before you get all upset, remember that it’s this dynamic that keeps Asian women thin, fashionable, and willing to please the men they date.

When they find a good guy, they want to put him on lock down and they work extra hard to secure that one ring to rule them all. If you’re still upset, it’s probably because you’ve bought into the myth that you will find a girl that will love you for who you are. Sorry to piss on your parade, buddy, but there is no such thing unless she’s your mom, and even then it’s a crap shoot. A woman is only with you because of the experience you provide. That’s it.

How to Ruin Your Chances in Asia

Now, in the West, where women know that sex is freely available, trying to get sex is the mark of a guy who doesn’t have any options …and so women spurn him. In Asia, though, trying is an indicator not of desperation but of real interest. While I believe that’s partially because the acceptability of prostitution in Asia as a means for satisfying sexual urges which means that “normal” women are not the only or even the best sexual option, there is another part and that is that women chasing a man will ruin her chances of being able to get that man for more than sex.

In Asia, sex is a means to an end. Women use sex as one of the lures to lock men down in relationships. Sex is not an end in and of itself. Asian women aren’t looking for sexual satisfaction when they date though it is definitely a bonus. What they want is a guy who genuinely likes and wants to be with them… so, stop being aloof and start showing interest. SHOW MORE INTEREST!

As a general rule, getting women in Asia = image (status displays or looks) + trying hard (calling/texting, saying how much you like her, promising a future together) + alcohol (the secret sauce a lot of Asian guys use to create the right situation but not a tactic we’d touch here at Asian Dating Monthly. Besides, we’d end up drunk most nights of the week).

Don’t be Beta

The western guys that I’ve spoken to consider a lot of the above behaviours beta but is it really beta if it gets you the Asian girl you want …and ultimately does make you the prize? At Asian Dating Monthly, our goal is to hack the system to get maximum return on our efforts and that means first understanding the system and learn its weaknesses. After that, it’s a simple matter of exploiting those weaknesses. Beta doesn’t mean what you think it does and showing interest in Asian women will get you further than any displays of active dis-interest ever will.

Oh, and what about getting her to pay her half? At the register, “forget” something back at your table and leave her there at the cashier. By the time you get back, 9 times out of 10, she’ll have paid the bill so you can then “pay her back” your half later.

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There is a lot more to know when it comes to dating Asian women. A lot of it comes down to vast differences in culture. If you want to make the most of your dating life in Asia then make sure to pick up my book, “Meet and Date Asian Women: Foundations”. It’s available on Amazon and will definitely make your dating life far smoother. Click here now and pick up a copy so you can start dating the Asian women you want!

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jun 1, 2014 16:56:59 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

When I first heard about “game” I was living in Osaka, Japan. My crew of friends and I were all about picking up women and we had a very machine-gun-like approach to the process. We were all about working the law of averages, knowing that if we talked to enough girls, at some point we’d find a keen girl. We did have a few tactic in place but those were very situational, like how to make sure that your girl put in for the bill without making things awkward. Care to guess how?

What we didn’t have was any over-arching theory, strategy, or system that went beyond “try again,” so when we heard of “game” we immediately started applying the principles. It wasn’t long until we noticed some wide disconnects that, I gradually came to realize, sabotaged some of the best relationships I ever had. It also caused me to leave a lot of get-able girls on the table.

The Secret to Asian Bodies

Many western guys, who are good with women back home, land in Asia and are dumbstruck by the “loser” local guys they see with the beautiful women they want. The basic concept that runs through all ”pickup” theories and “game” back in the West, the concept that will destroy your chances with Asian women, goes by many names. “Be the prize,” “make girls chase,” “show disinterest,” “make her invest in the interaction,” and more will get you nowhere, very, very fast.

meet and date foundations coverAsian girls take their dating lives very seriously in a way that western women don’t. Dating is not primarily a fun activity on the way to love. Dating is, conversely, a series of try outs for marriage – and marriage is important because who she marries will determine her future life situation and that of her offspring more than anything else, save for the family situation she was born into.

In the West, if a woman wants to travel the world, buy designer clothes, and live in a big house, people will tell her to go work her way up the corporate ladder. But, Asia is a traditional place where a woman secures her future by marrying a guy who can provide all the things she wants. If you’re like many foreigners, you scoff at them for doing this and accuse them of being gold diggers. Before you get all upset, remember that it’s this dynamic that keeps Asian women thin, fashionable, and willing to please the men they date.

When they find a good guy, they want to put him on lock down and they work extra hard to secure that one ring to rule them all. If you’re still upset, it’s probably because you’ve bought into the myth that you will find a girl that will love you for who you are. Sorry to piss on your parade, buddy, but there is no such thing unless she’s your mom, and even then it’s a crap shoot. A woman is only with you because of the experience you provide. That’s it.

How to Ruin Your Chances in Asia

Now, in the West, where women know that sex is freely available, trying to get sex is the mark of a guy who doesn’t have any options …and so women spurn him. In Asia, though, trying is an indicator not of desperation but of real interest. While I believe that’s partially because the acceptability of prostitution in Asia as a means for satisfying sexual urges which means that “normal” women are not the only or even the best sexual option, there is another part and that is that women chasing a man will ruin her chances of being able to get that man for more than sex.

In Asia, sex is a means to an end. Women use sex as one of the lures to lock men down in relationships. Sex is not an end in and of itself. Asian women aren’t looking for sexual satisfaction when they date though it is definitely a bonus. What they want is a guy who genuinely likes and wants to be with them… so, stop being aloof and start showing interest. SHOW MORE INTEREST!

As a general rule, getting women in Asia = image (status displays or looks) + trying hard (calling/texting, saying how much you like her, promising a future together) + alcohol (the secret sauce a lot of Asian guys use to create the right situation but not a tactic we’d touch here at Asian Dating Monthly. Besides, we’d end up drunk most nights of the week).

Don’t be Beta

The western guys that I’ve spoken to consider a lot of the above behaviours beta but is it really beta if it gets you the Asian girl you want …and ultimately does make you the prize? At Asian Dating Monthly, our goal is to hack the system to get maximum return on our efforts and that means first understanding the system and learn its weaknesses. After that, it’s a simple matter of exploiting those weaknesses. Beta doesn’t mean what you think it does and showing interest in Asian women will get you further than any displays of active dis-interest ever will.

Oh, and what about getting her to pay her half? At the register, “forget” something back at your table and leave her there at the cashier. By the time you get back, 9 times out of 10, she’ll have paid the bill so you can then “pay her back” your half later.

—————-

There is a lot more to know when it comes to dating Asian women. A lot of it comes down to vast differences in culture. If you want to make the most of your dating life in Asia then make sure to pick up my book, “Meet and Date Asian Women: Foundations”. It’s available on Amazon and will definitely make your dating life far smoother. Click here now and pick up a copy so you can start dating the Asian women you want!

Very interesting post. I think that women all have the same core, but culture and tradition (along with laws) that dictate their behavior.

In countries where women can't steal from men through the government via welfare/child support/alimony; they have to look thin. You see this a lot in non westernized countries where the laws don't vastly favor women.

I notice a lot of the "game" I hear about in the US is about "negging" (which is messing with a girl to make yourself more valuable to her), they seem to encourage approaching. There's a difference between no effort and trying to hard. Elliot Rodger expected girls to just float to him for instance, despite his social problems.

Another place to get easy hot chicks is in many Eastern European places. Russia for instance.

[JACK-2]

Yeah, basically.

Human nature doesn't change and neither do women[ the article even mentions female hyper-gamy in asian women]. But, culture can mitigate certain expressions of human nature. Especially, in a society where women can't get away with the shit they pull or not.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jun 1, 2014 18:00:52 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Yeah, basically.

Human nature doesn't change and neither do women[ the article even mentions female hyper-gamy in asian women]. But, culture can mitigate certain expressions of human nature. Especially, in a society where women can't get away with the shit they pull or not.

I think the free market works the best.

No unnatural wealth transfers, women have to make better decisions.

Simple as that really.

[JACK-2]

Well, I was talking in the sense that Western societies tend to be anti-male. Because it feels it has to even out white male privilege or whatever.
So, you have a society that deliberately shoots it'self in the foot.

But, there's also the difference in social cues. In western society many things that are considered to be desirable in a male or Alpha are frowned upon in japan. Like direct eye contact, in Japan it's considered rude to do that. But, in America and other western countries staring someone straight in the eyes is a sign of integrity. So, it depends on how a society chooses to organize itself. This will of course affect women in said societies and what is acceptable for them versus what's not.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jun 1, 2014 19:17:08 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Well, I was talking in the sense that Western societies tend to be anti-male. Because it feels it has to even out white male privilege or whatever.
So, you have a society that deliberately shoots it'self in the foot.

But, there's also the difference in social cues. In western society many things that are considered to be desirable in a male or Alpha are frowned upon in japan. Like direct eye contact, in Japan it's considered rude to do that. But, in America and other western countries staring someone straight in the eyes is a sign of integrity. So, it depends on how a society chooses to organize itself. This will of course affect women in said societies and what is acceptable for them versus what's not.

Oh I agree with you there, I was just talking in general. Although I would say that the black stuff tends to be about whiteness, and the women stuff is more about being anti male. But yea, the white male thing is obvious.

I think women desire the same things in men as men do in women. Men like attractive women regardless of culture. Bad boys in our culture do a lot of rude things but women still like them. That said there are different ways to be confident in different cultures as well. I was reading a "game" blog about a guy saying he wanted to "game" women in other parts of the world.

[JACK-2]

On another note, I dislike the bad boy bit. It's my biggest problem with western women and why I'm not attracted to them.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jun 1, 2014 19:38:05 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

On another note, I dislike the bad boy bit. It's my biggest problem with western women and why I'm not attracted to them.

Do you mean the pseudo thug part, or the criminal part?

[JACK-2]

Jun 1, 2014 19:42:22 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Do you mean the pseudo thug part, or the criminal part?

Both, the whole idea that treating women like shit or being disinterested is how you get girls to me is retarded. Especially, the part where if you show sexual interest then you're a "Loser", "desperate", "creepy", etc.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jun 1, 2014 19:45:42 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Jun 1, 2014 19:42:22 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Do you mean the pseudo thug part, or the criminal part?

Both, the whole idea that treating women like shit or being disinterested is how you get girls to me is retarded. Especially, the part where if you show sexual interest then you're a "Loser", "desperate", "creepy", etc.

Well it's because women respond to it well. I wouldn't waste my energy "treating someone like shit" (unless they were asking for it), but begging for a girl's attention doesn't work. Better to put less effort into that and focus on yourself.

I think it's abundantly clear that women do like guys who don't cater to them or worship them. As evidenced by the sheer amount of betas and manginas who try it and fail, and the amount of criminals and other men who have women worshipping them. I think there's a happy medium like playfully teasing a woman that works just fine though. No need to be something you're not.

I think guys that show sexual interest in women get rewarded, it's the guys that hover and worship women who are seen as creepy. You haven't seen guys grab girls and public and have it work?

My simple way of putting it is treat girls like you're hanging around guys. Joke with them, call them out when they do something silly, and don't worship them. Many betas get frustrated because they've been getting bad advice for years from other betas/feminists/the MSM and they don't want to let the bad habit die IMO.

[JACK-2]

Jun 1, 2014 20:34:29 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Well it's because women respond to it well. I wouldn't waste my energy "treating someone like shit" (unless they were asking for it), but begging for a girl's attention doesn't work. Better to put less effort into that and focus on yourself.

I think it's abundantly clear that women do like guys who don't cater to them or worship them. As evidenced by the sheer amount of betas and manginas who try it and fail, and the amount of criminals and other men who have women worshipping them. I think there's a happy medium like playfully teasing a woman that works just fine though. No need to be something you're not.

I think guys that show sexual interest in women get rewarded, it's the guys that hover and worship women who are seen as creepy. You haven't seen guys grab girls and public and have it work?

My simple way of putting it is treat girls like you're hanging around guys. Joke with them, call them out when they do something silly, and don't worship them. Many betas get frustrated because they've been getting bad advice for years from other betas/feminists/the MSM and they don't want to let the bad habit die IMO.

I get that women respond well to it, but it's just not "me". So, I'll pass. I'm not interested in those types of women anyway. Back before I was a bitter beta, I didn't worship women. I just tried to be "nice". But, of course that doesn't work and after getting burned by some girl and watching my best friend get as much girls as he wanted. I became supremely bitter and angry. Of course, these days I'm not bitter. Because I realize that whatever reasons women have for liking those "fun" jerks. That's their choice and I refuse to become like that even if it means throwing options with a percentage of women out from the table.

I don't mind working to get girls. I'm not entitled or feel that I deserve them. But, not in a way that I disagree with. That article about asian women is just another affirmation that I shouldn't bother with Western women and I was wise to drop that option. Obviously, women are women doesn't matter the country. But, the little things like how the social scripts play out differently are important to me even if they don't change the fact that you still need game.

I think what I'm saying is: I have qualms about trying to game or do what I need to do to get women. But, not if I find it disagreeable.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jun 1, 2014 21:32:14 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Jun 1, 2014 20:34:29 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Well it's because women respond to it well. I wouldn't waste my energy "treating someone like shit" (unless they were asking for it), but begging for a girl's attention doesn't work. Better to put less effort into that and focus on yourself.

I think it's abundantly clear that women do like guys who don't cater to them or worship them. As evidenced by the sheer amount of betas and manginas who try it and fail, and the amount of criminals and other men who have women worshipping them. I think there's a happy medium like playfully teasing a woman that works just fine though. No need to be something you're not.

I think guys that show sexual interest in women get rewarded, it's the guys that hover and worship women who are seen as creepy. You haven't seen guys grab girls and public and have it work?

My simple way of putting it is treat girls like you're hanging around guys. Joke with them, call them out when they do something silly, and don't worship them. Many betas get frustrated because they've been getting bad advice for years from other betas/feminists/the MSM and they don't want to let the bad habit die IMO.

I get that women respond well to it, but it's just not "me". So, I'll pass. I'm not interested in those types of women anyway. Back before I was a bitter beta, I didn't worship women. I just tried to be "nice". But, of course that doesn't work and after getting burned by some girl and watching my best friend get as much girls as he wanted. I became supremely bitter and angry. Of course, these days I'm not bitter. Because I realize that whatever reasons women have for liking those "fun" jerks. That's their choice and I refuse to become like that even if it means throwing options with a percentage of women out from the table.

I don't mind working to get girls. I'm not entitled or feel that I deserve them. But, not in a way that I disagree with. That article about asian women is just another affirmation that I shouldn't bother with Western women and I was wise to drop that option. Obviously, women are women doesn't matter the country. But, the little things like how the social scripts play out differently are important to me even if they don't change the fact that you still need game.

I think what I'm saying is: I have qualms about trying to game or do what I need to do to get women. But, not if I find it disagreeable.

I wouldn't bother with most western women anyways, except for a screw. Too entitled and self centered, not to mention fat in most cases.

On the other hand complaining about what women are like won't do any good. That's just the way women are. They like the most dominant men and have been hardwired to. "Society" has told women not to feel that way and that monogamy is natural. To me it's like women complaining that men care about looks and that they have to look good to attract men. Well that's just the way it is.

Most betas who are being "nice" aren't doing it out of some sense of "moral superiority" (which is why I hate that word). They want to get laid just as badly if not more (since they obsess over the same girl); they are simply doing it wrong. I don't think you should be fake, whether it's fake nice or fake bad boy. But there is an effective and ineffective way of doing something. Those guys aren't any more genuine and don't have the balls to seal the deal.

To me it's like a fat woman saying "men should love me for what's on the inside and not care about my looks". It doesn't work that way.

[JACK-2]

Jun 2, 2014 3:30:20 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

I wouldn't bother with most western women anyways, except for a screw. Too entitled and self centered, not to mention fat in most cases.

Pretty much, at this point they've become nothing more than sex objects and they're good at that. Anything else and they're worthless.

Jun 2, 2014 3:30:20 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

On the other hand complaining about what women are like won't do any good. That's just the way women are. They like the most dominant men and have been hardwired to. "Society" has told women not to feel that way and that monogamy is natural. To me it's like women complaining that men care about looks and that they have to look good to attract men. Well that's just the way it is.


Most betas who are being "nice" aren't doing it out of some sense of "moral superiority" (which is why I hate that word). They want to get laid just as badly if not more (since they obsess over the same girl); they are simply doing it wrong. I don't think you should be fake, whether it's fake nice or fake bad boy. But there is an effective and ineffective way of doing something. Those guys aren't any more genuine and don't have the balls to seal the deal.

To me it's like a fat woman saying "men should love me for what's on the inside and not care about my looks". It doesn't work that way

Well, yeah. That's what I'm saying. Society used to dictate that women should be such and such. But, now due to "liberation" people are free and women have reverted back to primitive behavior patters. Desperate guys complain about this, but in short things aren't going back. It's not even the women you should look at, it's the society that makes you pay child support or family courts that milk men dry or the MSM propaganda that is anti-male. Not even blaming women for any of this, it's a sign that we've become a society that accepts nonsense.

Betas have unrealistic standards regarding women. But, at the sametime MSM pushes the Goddess myth and all sorts of idealistic and often marxist garbage. It's a bad combination of factors.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jun 2, 2014 4:42:32 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Jun 2, 2014 3:30:20 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

I wouldn't bother with most western women anyways, except for a screw. Too entitled and self centered, not to mention fat in most cases.

Pretty much, at this point they've become nothing more than sex objects and they're good at that. Anything else and they're worthless.

Jun 2, 2014 3:30:20 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

On the other hand complaining about what women are like won't do any good. That's just the way women are. They like the most dominant men and have been hardwired to. "Society" has told women not to feel that way and that monogamy is natural. To me it's like women complaining that men care about looks and that they have to look good to attract men. Well that's just the way it is.


Most betas who are being "nice" aren't doing it out of some sense of "moral superiority" (which is why I hate that word). They want to get laid just as badly if not more (since they obsess over the same girl); they are simply doing it wrong. I don't think you should be fake, whether it's fake nice or fake bad boy. But there is an effective and ineffective way of doing something. Those guys aren't any more genuine and don't have the balls to seal the deal.

To me it's like a fat woman saying "men should love me for what's on the inside and not care about my looks". It doesn't work that way

Well, yeah. That's what I'm saying. Society used to dictate that women should be such and such. But, now due to "liberation" people are free and women have reverted back to primitive behavior patters. Desperate guys complain about this, but in short things aren't going back. It's not even the women you should look at, it's the society that makes you pay child support or family courts that milk men dry or the MSM propaganda that is anti-male. Not even blaming women for any of this, it's a sign that we've become a society that accepts nonsense.

Betas have unrealistic standards regarding women. But, at the sametime MSM pushes the Goddess myth and all sorts of idealistic and often marxist garbage. It's a bad combination of factors.

Well, as I said on the MGTOW site, I'm not for forced redistribution of anything, be it money or women. Less desirable men passing on their bad genes is a huge part of the problem (politicians love this because they're easy votes). However I don't think people should be forced to give up their assets to support someone else's bad decision making.

If a woman chooses to get knocked up and keep the kid, it's her responsibility. No forcing other men to pay for it (or some man who doesn't want to be involved). I believe in freedom, but responsibility.

Men have their behavior patterns too, but many laws make it so some of it has to be kept in check. Women still fear what others think about them, but the laws allow them to run rampant. It will all collapse sooner or later though.

[JACK-2]

How do you feel about no fault divorce coupled with alimony and child support?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jun 12, 2014 17:20:34 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

How do you feel about no fault divorce coupled with alimony and child support?

All of those laws are awful and greatly contribute to the number of single mothers we have in this country. It would be like quitting a job whenever you want and getting paid like you were still there for a very long time. Utter nonsense. You leave with what you came in with (unless you agreed to something else).

[JACK-2]

It's why I won't get married. Makes no sense.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jun 13, 2014 17:35:44 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

It's why I won't get married. Makes no sense.

I was talking to a female client about that yesterday. She's attractive and I was mentioning how the laws are so bad towards men that there would be no reason for me to take such a huge risk and lose everything I worked for.

She was like "It's good to live with your best friend."

My best friends live in their own place. That way I have the freedom to do what I want, when I want.