When Will PC Be The Tournament Standard In Fighting Games

[JACK-2]

Youtube is good for things like archive, see: Theshend for a good example. Butm then all these shitty combovids from new comers came out and it was the pits. Youtube as a platform makes it easy to propagate that garbage.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 17, 2014 10:27:08 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Youtube is good for things like archive, see: Theshend for a good example. Butm then all these shitty combovids from new comers came out and it was the pits. Youtube as a platform makes it easy to propagate that garbage.

The good news is you can separate the good from the bad.

[gurpwnder]

Well, another problem with PC is that they're treated as second class by developers. Look how long it takes for the same update to hit Steam as it does consoles. I'm pretty sure X Tekken players were about a year late with their 2013 patch.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 17, 2014 12:31:39 GMT -5 gurpwnder said:

Well, another problem with PC is that they're treated as second class by developers. Look how long it takes for the same update to hit Steam as it does consoles. I'm pretty sure X Tekken players were about a year late with their 2013 patch.

Yea, Capcom treats PC like trash when it should be the master class from what I understand they make the PC version after console is out so they essnetially port it.

It's funny because PC games can update very quickly at no cost. This is why Kof steam is so much better than console, they can keep the game updated constantly.

What is your steam btw?

[gurpwnder]

Yeah, but no developer is going to release a fighting game exclusively on PC until PC becomes the standard. So devs just have to deal with limited patches and PC'll continue to get sloppy seconds.

SteamID is the same as my handle everywhere: 'Gurpwnder' (no quotation marks)

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 17, 2014 12:47:23 GMT -5 gurpwnder said:

Yeah, but no developer is going to release a fighting game exclusively on PC until PC becomes the standard. So devs just have to deal with limited patches and PC'll continue to get sloppy seconds.

SteamID is the same as my handle everywhere: 'Gurpwnder' (no quotation marks)

Invite sent. Didn't know you were Canadian. I think you might have said it before, or I might be thinking of someone else.

Aug 17, 2014 12:47:23 GMT -5 gurpwnder said:

Yeah, but no developer is going to release a fighting game exclusively on PC until PC becomes the standard. So devs just have to deal with limited patches and PC'll continue to get sloppy seconds.

SteamID is the same as my handle everywhere: 'Gurpwnder' (no quotation marks)

There might be hope though. Tekken for instance is supposed to be released simultaneously with the consoles. I have faith that the PC community for fighting games will pick up and be much better as they see the profit potential.

[gurpwnder]

Aug 17, 2014 12:58:26 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Aug 17, 2014 12:47:23 GMT -5 gurpwnder said:

Invite sent. Didn't know you were Canadian. I think you might have said it before, or I might be thinking of someone else.

Aug 17, 2014 12:47:23 GMT -5 gurpwnder said:

There might be hope though. Tekken for instance is supposed to be released simultaneously with the consoles. I have faith that the PC community for fighting games will pick up and be much better as they see the profit potential.

Hopefully soon. A universal platform for gaming would be pretty cool, though I guess everything needs competition. Still, no more of that "Oh, you're on PS3? Guess we can't play each other" 

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 17, 2014 14:11:24 GMT -5 gurpwnder said:

Aug 17, 2014 12:58:26 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Invite sent. Didn't know you were Canadian. I think you might have said it before, or I might be thinking of someone else.There might be hope though. Tekken for instance is supposed to be released simultaneously with the consoles. I have faith that the PC community for fighting games will pick up and be much better as they see the profit potential.

Hopefully soon. A universal platform for gaming would be pretty cool, though I guess everything needs competition. Still, no more of that "Oh, you're on PS3? Guess we can't play each other" 

PC's compete on universal functionality. Having different systems that you need to play different games blows. I'd love to play everything I want to play on one unit without needing to buy anything else. With competition consoles have only gotten more bloated compared to the PC market which has gotten stronger by the day.

[gurpwnder]

Of course. PC has been doing everything consoles have been doing, but better for a long time. I guess the average consumer doesn't realize this, because many don't know how well PC's can game and instead stick to typical 'gaming consoles' for their games (or their smartphones). I just don't want PC to become the ONLY source of games, because competition is REALLY important.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 17, 2014 16:15:35 GMT -5 gurpwnder said:

Of course. PC has been doing everything consoles have been doing, but better for a long time. I guess the average consumer doesn't realize this, because many don't know how well PC's can game and instead stick to typical 'gaming consoles' for their games (or their smartphones). I just don't want PC to become the ONLY source of games, because competition is REALLY important.

Yes, but competition is good when it leads to good results. Competition for the sake of competition is useless. I mean consoles are competitors and their quality is garbage. That said computers aren't like consoles because they aren't just for gaming. People buy computers for a variety of reasons. Developing on PC's uniformly would mean you'd have much better games coming out faster, that aren't ports.

I think the competition will come from the mobile market, since developing games on those devices are cheap. I think people either think that consoles are what you use for gaming since PC doesn't have much stuff or they think you have to be a king to afford one, neither which are true.

You will always have competition on PC, you'll have different distributors selling games for different prices, like here:

www.cheapshark.com/

Not to mention the other ways to get games. That's why gaming is so cheap, while on the console it's godly expensive. Too many middleman.

[gurpwnder]

Yeah, you're right, there's no need to force competition. It's just that a company needs to be pushed so that it will innovate more and try their best to appeal to the consumers. Before SF4, Hori was producing the same old sticks for the longest time, only changing the artwork for certain new games like Tekken. Then SF4 became popular and MadCatz entered the scene and then Hori had very direct competition. They then innovated their sticks with things like the fighting EDGE, desk mountable arcade sticks, etc.

I guess PC can't really have a direct competitor other than itself since it's a jack of all trades, master of all.
Also, Steam has competition from GoG, UPlay (fuck UPlay), that EA one and others, so it's okay.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 17, 2014 20:13:48 GMT -5 gurpwnder said:

Yeah, you're right, there's no need to force competition. It's just that a company needs to be pushed so that it will innovate more and try their best to appeal to the consumers. Before SF4, Hori was producing the same old sticks for the longest time, only changing the artwork for certain new games like Tekken. Then SF4 became popular and MadCatz entered the scene and then Hori had very direct competition. They then innovated their sticks with things like the fighting EDGE, desk mountable arcade sticks, etc.

I guess PC can't really have a direct competitor other than itself since it's a jack of all trades, master of all.
Also, Steam has competition from GoG, UPlay (fuck UPlay), that EA one and others, so it's okay.

Companies are pushed because they have to satisfy customers, if they don't then the customers will go elsewhere or a competitor will in and saturate the market.

Sega came in long ago and competed with Nintendo for instance. Android competes with other smart devices. Free markets always allow quality.

Consoles don't really help the quality of the PC though, they kind of undermine the quality and raise the price because they're really just crappy PC's.

[gurpwnder]

Hmm, yeah. Almost every new feature announced with the PS4 / X1 made me think 'I could do this more comfortably on a PC'. Skype is loads more comfortable on a PC, gaming is excellent on PC, you can watch most TV shows on the internet now, even netflix over on a computer, and you can do them all whenever you please, combining as many as you like.

I also don't get the argument that PC's are more cumbersome and don't give you the same 'experience' as consoles. Most TV's nowadays have a VGA port, so you can get a 'couch and TV' experience if you're so willing. With 4 USB ports, you can plug whatever types of controllers you wish and use them to play games.

At the end of the day though, I guess PC's aren't as accessible as consoles, so PC's will never be the tournament standard. I can buy a console, and be confident that every game I throw in there will work and I don't have to change a single setting. With a powerful enough rig, this may also be true, but you have so much more to adjust, like v-sync, anti-aliasing, particle effects, etc.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 17, 2014 21:14:42 GMT -5 gurpwnder said:

Hmm, yeah. Almost every new feature announced with the PS4 / X1 made me think 'I could do this more comfortably on a PC'. Skype is loads more comfortable on a PC, gaming is excellent on PC, you can watch most TV shows on the internet now, even netflix over on a computer, and you can do them all whenever you please, combining as many as you like.

I also don't get the argument that PC's are more cumbersome and don't give you the same 'experience' as consoles. Most TV's nowadays have a VGA port, so you can get a 'couch and TV' experience if you're so willing. With 4 USB ports, you can plug whatever types of controllers you wish and use them to play games.

At the end of the day though, I guess PC's aren't as accessible as consoles, so PC's will never be the tournament standard. I can buy a console, and be confident that every game I throw in there will work and I don't have to change a single setting. With a powerful enough rig, this may also be true, but you have so much more to adjust, like v-sync, anti-aliasing, particle effects, etc.

Yep. PC does all of those things plus I can do business, artwork, edit videos, and everything else. I always multi task. I'm working and watching a movie and I'm also doing this new background at the same time. I like being able to do multiple things at once without being "trapped".

If I want portability I get a laptop and do everything on the go, something you have to trade down to a handheld to do. The couch argument is lame as most people have cpu setups or play online anyways.

PC's are harder to use, but you don't have to be a genius to use a console. PC games have tournaments and arcades are just pc's behind a cabinet, I'm sure it's not hard to set one up for a gaming tournament.

That said you can't fix stupid and ignorant. I had a member here who was just die hard on consoles but it was more to do with the fact that he couldn't afford a gaming pc. But as we've said you don't have to be rich to do that if you just research it.

[gurpwnder]

I'm definitely with you, PC's would be awesome for tournaments. I don't know how Steam works, but if you could open the same account on multiple PC's simultaneously, you would only need one copy of the game (which would be dirt cheap anyways with Steam Sales). That would be radical.

I'm just playing devil's advocate (as I have been doing a lot on this site).

However, people see the initial price of PC's and decide to go for consoles, not knowing that the games themselves are much cheaper on PC. In the long run, PC's are actually much cheaper than consoles if you own a lot of games. Shelling out 39.99 for SSF4 AE, then roughly 20-30 bucks on every costume is a lot more expensive than just getting ALL of that for about $15 on a Steam sale (which I did).

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 17, 2014 21:31:54 GMT -5 gurpwnder said:

I'm definitely with you, PC's would be awesome for tournaments. I don't know how Steam works, but if you could open the same account on multiple PC's simultaneously, you would only need one copy of the game (which would be dirt cheap anyways with Steam Sales). That would be radical.

I'm just playing devil's advocate (as I have been doing a lot on this site).

However, people see the initial price of PC's and decide to go for consoles, not knowing that the games themselves are much cheaper on PC. In the long run, PC's are actually much cheaper than consoles if you own a lot of games. Shelling out 39.99 for SSF4 AE, then roughly 20-30 bucks on every costume is a lot more expensive than just getting ALL of that for about $15 on a Steam sale (which I did).

I've played the same game on my desktop and laptop by using offline mode.

As War Machine pointed out, you can build a pc that is cheaper than modern consoles with much more power, so they can't even use that excuse anymore lol.

Check his link at the top.

[gurpwnder]

Well, if we can inform others, then hopefully we can make a change for the better.

However, I've seen you debate with a guy on EHubs about gaming on PC and how he claimed his PC couldn't handle KOF13 and how the guy just claimed several times that he couldn't run it and that PC's are difficult to use. Those people are a majority, methinks.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 17, 2014 22:08:19 GMT -5 gurpwnder said:

Well, if we can inform others, then hopefully we can make a change for the better.

However, I've seen you debate with a guy on EHubs about gaming on PC and how he claimed his PC couldn't handle KOF13 and how the guy just claimed several times that he couldn't run it and that PC's are difficult to use. Those people are a majority, methinks.

That guy was a moron. Kof XIII far more demanding than SF4? Really? I can run that agme on my system and it does just about nothing lol. He had to be in a dream land. He eventually dropped it though. All the more reason I avoid places like Eventhubs, Gfaqs, and SRK. Too many morons and I'm tired of them. Large places like that suck for intelligent discussion. Eventhubs is good at news as long as you avoid the comment section.

[gurpwnder]

I honestly think EHubs should've stayed an SF site. They're trying to do too much, none of the games are getting attention outside of SF4, some SF4 guides are still in vanilla status, and all of their other 'guides' are just movelists.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 18, 2014 16:02:12 GMT -5 gurpwnder said:

I honestly think EHubs should've stayed an SF site. They're trying to do too much, none of the games are getting attention outside of SF4, some SF4 guides are still in vanilla status, and all of their other 'guides' are just movelists.

It's basically 95% SF with a taste of everything else anyways. They are good with news.

[WarMachineRhodey]

here we go. I was wondering when capcom was going to jump on this nesica system with older titles shoryuken.com/2014/08/23/hyper-street-fighter-ii-street-fighter-iii-3rd-strike-street-fighter-zero-3-and-vampire-savior-heading-to-taitos-nesicaxlive-network/ . I want to hear feedback from the players to see just to see how accurately they games are run on the taito board which is a pc.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

It's nice to see them take the next step forward.

I don't think it will be any real problem. I'm hoping this pushes us into more PC gaming, which is the way it should be.

[gurpwnder]

Since we're all here, lemme ask:

Games like SF4 and SFXT on PC have screen tearing, which stinks. I've tried a couple things, but I can't get rid of it.

I've tried using the in-game V-Sync
I've tried going to the NVidea GForce Control panel and turning 'Vertical Sync' to 'Adaptive'

However, games like KOF run just fine without me needing to do a thing.
Is this just a Capcom thing?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Sept 24, 2014 0:07:08 GMT -5 gurpwnder said:

Since we're all here, lemme ask:

Games like SF4 and SFXT on PC have screen tearing, which stinks. I've tried a couple things, but I can't get rid of it.

I've tried using the in-game V-Sync
I've tried going to the NVidea GForce Control panel and turning 'Vertical Sync' to 'Adaptive'

However, games like KOF run just fine without me needing to do a thing.
Is this just a Capcom thing?

I use v sync in Nvidia, just turn it on.

Max Pre rendered frames set to 1.

Triple buffering enabled.

Causes me no problems.

Those games have it bad with that issue, but it can be solved.

[gurpwnder]

So it's more of a Capcom thing then? Giving us poor ports of their games for PC?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Sept 25, 2014 13:02:06 GMT -5 gurpwnder said:

So it's more of a Capcom thing then? Giving us poor ports of their games for PC?

Could just be the way the game was programmed. They have all kinds of issues in this series with lag and whatnot I'm not even sure what they were thinking.

[WarMachineRhodey]

sfxt in game vsynch is bad?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Sept 26, 2014 10:36:28 GMT -5 WarMachineRhodey said:

sfxt in game vsynch is bad?

I don't play it very often so I'm not sure if I had my in game settings exactly like SF4 or not, but that said I don't remember hearing any complaints about SFxT like SF4. I'll look into that for you.

[magicattack]

Couple of things as to why PC's aren't going to become the center of the gaming world.

1st is the PC build. Its not finished. The build would require an operating system and peripherals. That would push that build to over $600.

2nd is most people want simplicity. They want to buy a system, take it home, plug it in and play. As simple as building a PC is, some people don't want to put forth the effort.

3rd is piracy. PC games released are usually followed within days of a hacked version to download for free. Sometimes even prior to the official release. That's not to say that the newer consoles won't get hacked, but its safe to say we are a long time off from ps4 and xbox1 being hacked.

I do agree that pc is the way to go. That gives one platform for everyone to use, and everyone is on an even playing field. Simpler to program games. It would save money to the customer.

I just don't seen it happening since the gaming industry is so huge, and everyone wants a piece of the profits.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Sept 26, 2014 12:26:00 GMT -5 magicattack said:

Couple of things as to why PC's aren't going to become the center of the gaming world.

1st is the PC build. Its not finished. The build would require an operating system and peripherals. That would push that build to over $600.

2nd is most people want simplicity. They want to buy a system, take it home, plug it in and play. As simple as building a PC is, some people don't want to put forth the effort.

3rd is piracy. PC games released are usually followed within days of a hacked version to download for free. Sometimes even prior to the official release. That's not to say that the newer consoles won't get hacked, but its safe to say we are a long time off from ps4 and xbox1 being hacked.

I do agree that pc is the way to go. That gives one platform for everyone to use, and everyone is on an even playing field. Simpler to program games. It would save money to the customer.

I just don't seen it happening since the gaming industry is so huge, and everyone wants a piece of the profits.

I find that gaming on the PC is actually cheaper though. When you get a console you need peripherals, expensive games and a tv, etc. Nowadays I actually recommend gaming laptops just because you can replace so many items. People often have consoles, tv, video player, desktop, handheld, and a tablet and/or weak laptop. Once you look at the price of all of those you could have simply bought a gaming desktop or particularly a laptop and be far more mobile and have more gaming power than you would get with a console at a much more efficient price. Especially when you look at the $60 games, not to mention you can play old and new stuff on one system.


The second point is the part you are most correct on and definitely the main reason to get a console outside of exclusives. People want to just plug it in and not have to think much, plus you don't have to worry about different hardware/software conflicts across multiple systems. It isn't that hard and people are using more of these devices anyways, but I imagine one day they can dumb it down even more (without making everything auto like they do now, I hate when my device decides what it's going to do without me doing it). This could help a lot.

Console games have a lot of pirates too actually, many games have more console pirates than PC games, considering you can buy them sooooooo cheap. I find games on sale for like 20 for $10, or 5 for $5. These are big name games too, not the budget games.

I bought the entire GTA series for only $7. There are sales all of the time on sites like www.cheapshark.com. No real need to pirate anything when the prices are super low. There's even a site with voluntary donations where you can get a game for $1. Much better than paying $65 for a game like most console players do.


I think the mobile market is where many developers are going to look to cut down costs. Console gaming just isn't price friendly in many ways even though it is simple and "mainstream". I see people doing cheap gaming on fast and small devices. They aren't going to be basement dwelling PC enthusiasts, but they'll have what works for them.