When Will PC Be The Tournament Standard In Fighting Games

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

So we've had discussions on here about the numerous advantages of using a PC over a console. With all of these significant advantages it's a wonder why fighting games that have PC releases don't simply use PC's for their tournament standard. What are the advantages and disadvantages of doing this, and how long do you think it will take for fighters to use PC's instead?

[Deleted]

Using PC's as the standard for fighting game tournaments would be very beneficial to the community as a whole. The problem is that there are so many myths surruounding pc gaming but im gonna just tackle one right now. Many people believe that in order to have a good gaming pc one would need to spend a large amount of money. This is only true for those looking to play super demanding titles such as the battlefield series and the crysis titles at MAX settings and at 1080p resolutions and above. For fighting games a 400$-500$ gaming pc would be able to play USf4 at 1080p max settings and constant 60fps on every stage. Here is a build for about 500$ pcpartpicker.com/p/7XYFZL. For now USF4 is the most demanding fighting game that is on pc at the time of this post so in order to run the other fighting games on pc then a 400$ gaming pc would be more than enough.
Now that i addressed one of the myths of pc gaming now its time to go into the advantages of running fighting game tournaments on pc.

If anyone has been keeping up with the arcade systems in japan you know that they are using the taito type x machines en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taito_Type_X inside the arcade cabinets now. This is what USF4, Kof 13, GGXrd, and a whole plethora of other fighting games run on nowadays. Even older titles like kof98umfe, kof 2002um etc have been ported over to this hardware with the Nesica X Live system. So in essence the arcade hardware is now a pc. Now one can see that the pc platform in fact is very versatile as long as the work is put in to take full advantage of the hardware and software capabilities of it. I believe that if capcom wanted to they could use the pc platform to successfully port an arcade perfect version of games notorious for having trouble with specific specials and normals like in all console ports of super turbo either having normals which were frames to fast or slow. By having fighting game tournaments being run on the pc you have the chance for there to be a truly arcade perfect experience withought having the huge cabs. Another advantage of fighting game tournaments being on pc's is that pc supports official xbox 360, xbox one, converters generic usb pads/pcbs ps4 and ps4(with drivers). There you have a wide range of controllers that the pc can use and you wont need to worry so much about dual modding or bringing 2 sticks if your games run on separate platforms. This will help players with less money who may not be fortunate enough to own a dual modded controller or multiple ones to be able to play at more events instead of them having alienated since they dont have a controller for a certain console.

If the fighting game community could get behind running tournaments on pc's then it also opens the doors to once unreachable sponsors. Im talking about pc hardware manufactures. They could have the opportunity to get intel,amd,nvidia corsair and others to help get the computers built that is needed for that tournament. This is only some of my reasons why fighting game tournaments should make the jump to pc and ill post more when i get the time. feel free to point me out on anything i was wrong on or that you disagree with.

[JACK-2]

The "Arcade only" bandwagon is too strong, even when people don't even play in arcade cabs. They think playing with an arcade joystick makes them l33t lol.

[Deleted]

I was just talking about in terms of getting the best port possible to the home user. I know games like mvc3 and the mk games didnt have an arcade release but for those games that do have one and have very different issues vs the original platform it was released on. i could careless what controller someone uses. Its well known that sf4 on ps3 and 360 have issues running on the consoles. the pc version is the only version that doesnt suffer from the same issues as the consoles do and is praised for being possibly the only home version true to the arcade release.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

I think he was replying to me and not you, it's just the posts were too close together.

Aug 17, 2014 2:52:55 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

The "Arcade only" bandwagon is too strong, even when people don't even play in arcade cabs. They think playing with an arcade joystick makes them l33t lol.

That's one thing that makes me laugh about the FGC "elitists" they talk about how playing on arcade makes them superior somehow, but then they don't want to play on a PC, which is what an arcade really is with a cabinet on top.

Just goes to show how brainwashed the FGC is. More worried about following trends and looking "cool" vs learning how to play and practicality. The consoles can barely run SF4 and it's garbage.

[JACK-2]

Aug 17, 2014 2:57:58 GMT -5 @warmachinerhodes said:

I was just talking about in terms of getting the best port possible to the home user. I know games like mvc3 and the mk games didnt have an arcade release but for those games that do have one and have very different issues vs the original platform it was released on. i could careless what controller someone uses.

That was directed at C, but what I was touching on something I've seen on SRK back in the days. Where the idea of playing on PC was deemed as Hersey.

[JACK-2]

Aug 17, 2014 3:00:20 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Just goes to show how brainwashed the FGC is. More worried about following trends and looking "cool" vs learning how to play and practicality. The consoles can barely run SF4 and it's garbage.

What's funny is that they don't even play on arcades. They just have an arcade stick and play on console. It's just a way of feeling "Cool:, remember how GGPO players were treated in SRK? Yet, one of them managed to beat Justin Wong in MVC 1 in an arcade cab.

[Deleted]

Aug 17, 2014 3:00:30 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Aug 17, 2014 2:57:58 GMT -5 @warmachinerhodes said:

I was just talking about in terms of getting the best port possible to the home user. I know games like mvc3 and the mk games didnt have an arcade release but for those games that do have one and have very different issues vs the original platform it was released on. i could careless what controller someone uses.

That was directed at C, but what I was touching on something I've seen on SRK back in the days. Where the idea of playing on PC was deemed as Hersey.

ah ok. well tbh the only 2 games i can think of where playing on stick could be a huge advantage vs a pad is st and vampire savior/darkstalkers. in st you have 1f reversals which are tough to do even if you are pianoing. same sceneraio in vampire savior where the window for tech hits i think is 1 frame also.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 17, 2014 2:52:04 GMT -5 @warmachinerhodes said:

Using PC's as the standard for fighting game tournaments would be very beneficial to the community as a whole. The problem is that there are so many myths surruounding pc gaming but im gonna just tackle one right now. Many people believe that in order to have a good gaming pc one would need to spend a large amount of money. This is only true for those looking to play super demanding titles such as the battlefield series and the crysis titles at MAX settings and at 1080p resolutions and above. For fighting games a 400$-500$ gaming pc would be able to play USf4 at 1080p max settings and constant 60fps on every stage. Here is a build for about 500$ pcpartpicker.com/p/7XYFZL. For now USF4 is the most demanding fighting game that is on pc at the time of this post so in order to run the other fighting games on pc then a 400$ gaming pc would be more than enough.
Now that i addressed one of the myths of pc gaming now its time to go into the advantages of running fighting game tournaments on pc.

The cost myth is a large lie, even when you talk about general use PC's are far cheaper. Not only do you have far more utility and use (since you'll have one anyways) but you pay a LOT less for games and now that consoles cost more and more, it becomes even more pointless when they can't compare. We touched on this at another thread a bit earlier. I imagine gaming consoles will eventually be obsolete due to this.

Aug 17, 2014 2:52:04 GMT -5 @warmachinerhodes said:

If anyone has been keeping up with the arcade systems in japan you know that they are using the taito type x machines en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taito_Type_X inside the arcade cabinets now. This is what USF4, Kof 13, GGXrd, and a whole plethora of other fighting games run on nowadays. Even older titles like kof98umfe, kof 2002um etc have been ported over to this hardware with the Nesica X Live system. So in essence the arcade hardware is now a pc. Now one can see that the pc platform in fact is very versatile as long as the work is put in to take full advantage of the hardware and software capabilities of it. I believe that if capcom wanted to they could use the pc platform to successfully port an arcade perfect version of games notorious for having trouble with specific specials and normals like in all console ports of super turbo either having normals which were frames to fast or slow. By having fighting game tournaments being run on the pc you have the chance for there to be a truly arcade perfect experience withought having the huge cabs. Another advantage of fighting game tournaments being on pc's is that pc supports official xbox 360, xbox one, converters generic usb pads/pcbs ps4 and ps4(with drivers). There you have a wide range of controllers that the pc can use and you wont need to worry so much about dual modding or bringing 2 sticks if your games run on separate platforms. This will help players with less money who may not be fortunate enough to own a dual modded controller or multiple ones to be able to play at more events instead of them having alienated since they dont have a controller for a certain console.

This is what I found interesting. The Nesica system. I also like that PC's allow you to use pretty much whatever controller you want, while playing an arcade perfect game. The console versions often have some serious differences compared to the arcade and SF4 is infamous for the lag between the versions, with the PS3 being especially bad. This hurts the game especially since it is very heavy on 1 frame linking, the most demanding link game I've seen in that department.

Aug 17, 2014 2:52:04 GMT -5 @warmachinerhodes said:

If the fighting game community could get behind running tournaments on pc's then it also opens the doors to once unreachable sponsors. Im talking about pc hardware manufactures. They could have the opportunity to get intel,amd,nvidia corsair and others to help get the computers built that is needed for that tournament. This is only some of my reasons why fighting game tournaments should make the jump to pc and ill post more when i get the time. feel free to point me out on anything i was wrong on or that you disagree with.

I think they would definitely make more money from sponsors. I think it's just getting the community to accept it and we know the FGC is a dinosaur when it comes to change.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 17, 2014 3:04:48 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Aug 17, 2014 3:00:20 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Just goes to show how brainwashed the FGC is. More worried about following trends and looking "cool" vs learning how to play and practicality. The consoles can barely run SF4 and it's garbage.

What's funny is that they don't even play on arcades. They just have an arcade stick and play on console. It's just a way of feeling "Cool:, remember how GGPO players were treated in SRK? Yet, one of them managed to beat Justin Wong in MVC 1 in an arcade cab.

GGPO tends to get more respect now, probably because of all of the only online players on SRK now. Like I said the FGC is a dinosaur and full of posers, even the new age jumps right into the same bandwagon line of thinking.

GGPO is really good and I hope future games try to use more rollback style netcode instead of the laggier stuff some of them use.

Aug 17, 2014 3:06:02 GMT -5 @warmachinerhodes said:

Aug 17, 2014 3:00:30 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

That was directed at C, but what I was touching on something I've seen on SRK back in the days. Where the idea of playing on PC was deemed as Hersey.

ah ok. well tbh the only 2 games i can think of where playing on stick could be a huge advantage vs a pad is st and vampire savior/darkstalkers. in st you have 1f reversals which are tough to do even if you are pianoing. same sceneraio in vampire savior where the window for tech hits i think is 1 frame also.

The biggest reason to use a stick over a pad honestly is having the buttons on the side that you can piano/plink. Otherwise you have to work harder for the motions. I use a hitbox myself because I get the buttons on the side while having fast inputs, so it's the best of both worlds. You still have people in the FGC who complain about that lol.

[JACK-2]

The bandwagons are why I avoid discussion about FGC in general. I would rather play, too much drama over stupid stuff.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 17, 2014 3:14:00 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

The bandwagons are why I avoid discussion about FGC in general. I would rather play, too much drama over stupid stuff.

Bandwagons exist in a lot of genres sadly, but yea FGC bandwagons are too hypocritical and contradictory. You have the old guard who can't accept anything new, all while having the "new blood" and the fanboys from that as well who think SF4 is the golden standard because "everyone plays it".

Then you have the tier bandwagon as well, in some ways the FGC community can be as bad as the FPS community.

[JACK-2]

Aug 17, 2014 3:19:11 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Aug 17, 2014 3:14:00 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

The bandwagons are why I avoid discussion about FGC in general. I would rather play, too much drama over stupid stuff.

Bandwagons exist in a lot of genres sadly, but yea FGC bandwagons are too hypocritical and contradictory. You have the old guard who can't accept anything new, all while having the "new blood" and the fanboys from that as well who think SF4 is the golden standard because "everyone plays it".

Then you have the tier bandwagon as well, in some ways the FGC community can be as bad as the FPS community.

The shift to PC makes more sense in North America as well. Because, let's be honest people don't play in arcades, they play on console which are just PC lite. So, why even resist?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 17, 2014 3:21:42 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Aug 17, 2014 3:19:11 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Bandwagons exist in a lot of genres sadly, but yea FGC bandwagons are too hypocritical and contradictory. You have the old guard who can't accept anything new, all while having the "new blood" and the fanboys from that as well who think SF4 is the golden standard because "everyone plays it".

Then you have the tier bandwagon as well, in some ways the FGC community can be as bad as the FPS community.

The shift to PC makes more sense in North America as well. Because, let's be honest people don't play in arcades, they play on console which are just PC lite. So, why even resist?

Yes. North America is very large and spread out where people can't always play locally, so PC gaming would help a lot especially as internet increases in connection quality for matches. Japan is much smaller in mass and more densely populated with great netcode so they're fine.

Speaking of the lack of accepting change in the FGC, people complain about the netcode getting better because it hurts the "local scene". I'm glad the netcode is improving, if I can have offline quality anywhere at anytime at some point it would be great for me since I'm mobile often and for the vast majority of people. Yet the .01% of players who go to locals regularly and feel "elite" will be threatened. Why not have something that everyone can do. You can always play offline if you want and there's nothing wrong with that but good online is critical nowadays, epsecially for fighters.

[JACK-2]

Aug 17, 2014 3:28:41 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Aug 17, 2014 3:21:42 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

The shift to PC makes more sense in North America as well. Because, let's be honest people don't play in arcades, they play on console which are just PC lite. So, why even resist?

Yes. North America is very large and spread out where people can't always play locally, so PC gaming would help a lot especially as internet increases in connection quality for matches. Japan is much smaller in mass and more densely populated with great netcode so they're fine.

Speaking of the lack of accepting change in the FGC, people complain about the netcode getting better because it hurts the "local scene". I'm glad the netcode is improving, if I can have offline quality anywhere at anytime at some point it would be great for me since I'm mobile often and for the vast majority of people. Yet the .01% of players who go to locals regularly and feel "elite" will be threatened. Why not have something that everyone can do. You can always play offline if you want and there's nothing wrong with that but good online is critical nowadays, epsecially for fighters.

Just a way for people to feel superior. I used to play at China Town fair with my cousin regularly when I lived in New York. But, after moving to Jersey it became harder and harder to go. So, I don't go anymore. It's much more convenient to use PC and it's not like Arcades are easy to find.

Consoles have always been where most of the players are on anyway. These guys don't even play SF4 at arcades, but on console. It's so pretentious.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 17, 2014 3:39:00 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Aug 17, 2014 3:28:41 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Yes. North America is very large and spread out where people can't always play locally, so PC gaming would help a lot especially as internet increases in connection quality for matches. Japan is much smaller in mass and more densely populated with great netcode so they're fine.

Speaking of the lack of accepting change in the FGC, people complain about the netcode getting better because it hurts the "local scene". I'm glad the netcode is improving, if I can have offline quality anywhere at anytime at some point it would be great for me since I'm mobile often and for the vast majority of people. Yet the .01% of players who go to locals regularly and feel "elite" will be threatened. Why not have something that everyone can do. You can always play offline if you want and there's nothing wrong with that but good online is critical nowadays, epsecially for fighters.

Just a way for people to feel superior. I used to play at China Town fair with my cousin regularly when I lived in New York. But, after moving to Jersey it became harder and harder to go. So, I don't go anymore. It's much more convenient to use PC and it's not like Arcades are easy to find.

Consoles have always been where most of the players are on anyway. These guys don't even play SF4 at arcades, but on console. It's so pretentious.

Yea. If you're in NY or SoCal or something you can do the arcade scene. If you live in most places, good luck. They're pretentious about nothing. They suck, the game they play kind of sucks, and their consoles aren't that great either. What's to brag about?

[JACK-2]

Aug 17, 2014 7:52:15 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Aug 17, 2014 3:39:00 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Just a way for people to feel superior. I used to play at China Town fair with my cousin regularly when I lived in New York. But, after moving to Jersey it became harder and harder to go. So, I don't go anymore. It's much more convenient to use PC and it's not like Arcades are easy to find.

Consoles have always been where most of the players are on anyway. These guys don't even play SF4 at arcades, but on console. It's so pretentious.

Yea. If you're in NY or SoCal or something you can do the arcade scene. If you live in most places, good luck. They're pretentious about nothing. They suck, the game they play kind of sucks, and their consoles aren't that great either. What's to brag about?

You gotta inflate your ego somehow? Alot of these internet folk are insecure anyway. They need something to bash in order to feel superior. Like how they bash mainstream movies [Which deserve criticism] to feel good about themselves. It's not criticism for them rather just ego inflation, this is why emotionalism is dumb. Ironically, they end up just as emotional as the masses they critique.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 17, 2014 8:01:12 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Aug 17, 2014 7:52:15 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Yea. If you're in NY or SoCal or something you can do the arcade scene. If you live in most places, good luck. They're pretentious about nothing. They suck, the game they play kind of sucks, and their consoles aren't that great either. What's to brag about?

You gotta inflate your ego somehow? Alot of these internet folk are insecure anyway. They need something to bash in order to feel superior. Like how they bash mainstream movies [Which deserve criticism] to feel good about themselves. It's not criticism for them rather just ego inflation, this is why emotionalism is dumb. Ironically, they end up just as emotional as the masses they critique.

Well you have the masses of morons who feel better because they're part of a group.

Then you have the pseudo smart people who try to be "different" on purpose to feel superior without actually knowing what they're talking about. It's a mess.

[JACK-2]

Aug 17, 2014 8:27:26 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Well you have the masses of morons who feel better because they're part of a group.

Then you have the pseudo smart people who try to be "different" on purpose to feel superior without actually knowing what they're talking about. It's a mess.

It boils down to people trying to feel good about themselves.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 17, 2014 8:34:59 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Aug 17, 2014 8:27:26 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Well you have the masses of morons who feel better because they're part of a group.

Then you have the pseudo smart people who try to be "different" on purpose to feel superior without actually knowing what they're talking about. It's a mess.

It boils down to people trying to feel good about themselves.

They should increase their skills and feel good about that.

[JACK-2]

Yes, but people don't attach self worth to task oriented skills. They value social oriented skills in terms of self worth. That's something we're losing in the west and it was what made us great.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 17, 2014 8:47:31 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Yes, but people don't attach self worth to task oriented skills. They value social oriented skills in terms of self worth. That's something we're losing in the west and it was what made us great.

People don't actually accomplish anything anymore here. They're too busy trying to get approval from others and having everything catered to them.

The irony of it is when people point out the advantages of the PC and it's undeniable they call those people "snobs". Instead of learning facts and trying to use the best tech for the job they want stay ignorant and with things they're used to. Why not take the FGC to the highest level? I recall them saying getting large sponsors was "selling out". Well if they want the community to flourish, it will need money.

[JACK-2]

It's ironic, "getting sponsors is selling out" all while defending a sell out game [Street Fighter 4].

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 17, 2014 9:15:50 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

It's ironic, "getting sponsors is selling out" all while defending a sell out game [Street Fighter 4].

I was about to laugh out loud on that one. The hypocrisy runs deep. When you criticize SF for selling out they just say things like "SF was genius by making the game more accessible by removing barriers". So selling out is ok when SF does it but when companies need to raise money to increase the scene all of the sudden they want to go into their "elitist" state and block off all newcomers. Just amazing.

[JACK-2]

That's why I don't bother, that game killed the FGC for me.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 17, 2014 9:28:51 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

That's why I don't bother, that game killed the FGC for me.

For you, or just the FGC period? When were you posting on SRK?

[JACK-2]

I think both, SF4 let the flood gates in. I started SRK in 2005 left in 2010-11. The 09ers were too much.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 17, 2014 9:34:56 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

I think both, SF4 let the flood gates in. I started SRK in 2005 left in 2010-11. The 09ers were too much.

Yea SRK back in the day was better. CvS2, SF3, SF Alpha, and SF2 was discussed. Now it's the crappy stuff with the 09'ers.

When did you notice the decline?

[JACK-2]

When SF4 cameout. I knew, can't explain how but something felt different. People started using youtube to stream all matches when back then I used to download from websites like Denjinvideo, Combovideos.com and Godweapon. If you wanna really go back there was Goukispageofwhatever and so forth.

Anyway, people kept making lame combo vids and being poseurs. Like some dude tried to say something about KOF, forgot what. He was wrong, that's all I remember. Then they got rid of the rep system because they wanted newer players to feel at home. And, all this other garbage. Little things that you begin to notice as they pile on.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 17, 2014 10:01:12 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

When SF4 cameout. I knew, can't explain how but something felt different. People started using youtube to stream all matches when back then I used to download from websites like Denjinvideo, Combovideos.com and Godweapon. If you wanna really go back there was Goukispageofwhatever and so forth.

Anyway, people kept making lame combo vids and being poseurs. Like some dude tried to say something about KOF, forgot what. He was wrong, that's all I remember. Then they got rid of the rep system because they wanted newer players to feel at home. And, all this other garbage. Little things that you begin to notice as they pile on.

Yea, Youtube can be good or bad. It has its good uses, but it's like Twitter and facebook, it's a home to morons.

Combos are always fun to look at but I prefer to make things that are practical and fun to watch instead of the same old stuff you see people post (unless it's a *very* difficult or rewarding combo) or somesuch.

I've always had a mixed feeling about those systems. I mean right now they have the "like, disagree, agree, lol, wtf, spam" buttons. The problem is people will just click "disagree" instead of intelligently arguing a point which was annoying and lame. Also more popular and known members would have more people backing them in arguments even if they were wrong, since nobody wanted to upset the balance.

I have that exalt/smite thing, but I guess I liked to discuss thing and never rely on the "buttons" to make a point, like I've seen at other forums, the exalt and smite are more for fun really. I tried to set mine at "-" but people kept bringing it up and I gave up lol.