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Post by JACK-2 on Feb 15, 2015 4:54:00 GMT -5
First versus thread in my new home  Conditions: No prior knowledge and standard equipment. Everyone is in-character Location:
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Feb 15, 2015 5:05:21 GMT -5
First versus thread in my new home Conditions: No prior knowledge and standard equipment. Everyone is in-character Location:
I want to say Robocop on default, but Captain America was pretty impressive. I'll have to watch that movie again. What do you think? |
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Post by JACK-2 on Feb 15, 2015 5:10:09 GMT -5
Man it's been a while since I've been in a level headed debate. So, you took me off guard lol. Robocop can run simulations from CCTV feeds and select the best option. If his human side is switched off and his machine side takes over. He'll make the "best" decision 10/10 times.
Rogers has better defense due to his invulnerable shield. Plus Robocop will run out of bullets even if I arm him to the teeth. S.T.R.I.K.E. was much better armed than Robocop and Rogers held out well. So, right now I'm gonna say Cap.
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Feb 15, 2015 5:18:13 GMT -5
Man it's been a while since I've been in a level headed debate. So, you took me off guard lol. Robocop can run simulations from CCTV feeds and select the best option. If his human side is switched off and his machine side takes over. He'll make the "best" decision 10/10 times. Rogers has better defense due to his invulnerable shield. Plus Robocop will run out of bullets even if I arm him to the teeth. S.T.R.I.K.E. was much better armed than Robocop and Rogers held out well. So, right now I'm gonna say Cap. I think Cap is definitely higher than Robocop going by his comic version. Robocop is tougher all around, but you're right about his shield. The bottom line is can Robocop shoot him better can he deflect? I actually just realized that this is New Robocop. He's weaker but faster. How do you think he'd fare up close against Cap? |
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Post by JACK-2 on Feb 15, 2015 5:21:39 GMT -5
Winter Soldiers mechanical arm gave cap alot of trouble. Not trying to make equivalency, but close it might be a problem. But, Cap was holding back because he didn't wanna hurt Bucky. Cap is really REALLY good in close-quarters. He'd kick ass imo, but what do you think:
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Feb 15, 2015 5:27:37 GMT -5
Winter Soldiers mechanical arm gave cap alot of trouble. Not trying to make equivalency, but close it might be a problem. But, Cap was holding back because he didn't wanna hurt Bucky. Cap is really REALLY good in close-quarters. He'd kick ass imo, but what do you think: It seemed like he was shocked that he was fighting bucky. I think Cap is screwed if he loses that shield. That's for sure. |
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Post by JACK-2 on Feb 15, 2015 5:30:17 GMT -5
Here's Robocop when he's fully automated:
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Feb 15, 2015 6:45:16 GMT -5
Here's Robocop when he's fully automated: Sorry, had to shower, wash clothes, cut hair. I think he'd beat Cap up close if he gets past his shield. His shield can do some damage, but did Cap display enough strength in the movie to fully kill Robocop instantly? Cutting off an arm won't do it. |
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Post by JACK-2 on Feb 15, 2015 8:48:33 GMT -5
Sorry, had to shower, wash clothes, cut hair. I think he'd beat Cap up close if he gets past his shield. His shield can do some damage, but did Cap display enough strength in the movie to fully kill Robocop instantly? Cutting off an arm won't do it. No need to apologize. Well, Cap can crash through metal doors and windows easily. He seems to have super strength to a noticable degree. I can see him slicing through Robocop's head with his shield. |
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Feb 15, 2015 8:59:58 GMT -5
Sorry, had to shower, wash clothes, cut hair. I think he'd beat Cap up close if he gets past his shield. His shield can do some damage, but did Cap display enough strength in the movie to fully kill Robocop instantly? Cutting off an arm won't do it. No need to apologize. Well, Cap can crash through metal doors and windows easily. He seems to have super strength to a noticable degree. I can see him slicing through Robocop's head with his shield. What about the classic version? I remember the "Cap isn't superhuman" thing being argued because he used to be "at the peak of human potential". Now they seem to want him to be a very mild level superhuman. |
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Post by JACK-2 on Feb 15, 2015 17:20:10 GMT -5
What about the classic version? I remember the "Cap isn't superhuman" thing being argued because he used to be "at the peak of human potential". Now they seem to want him to be a very mild level superhuman. Classic Cap could dodge a shotgun blast from pointblank. What exactly is peak human about that? He's always been Superhuman to me. Most "skilled" fighters are in the sense that they can do things that are impossible. Like taking on a platoon of armed guys barehanded or with a single piece. Then again, firearms job alot in action movies and in comics. Law enforcement too. |
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Feb 15, 2015 17:41:46 GMT -5
What about the classic version? I remember the "Cap isn't superhuman" thing being argued because he used to be "at the peak of human potential". Now they seem to want him to be a very mild level superhuman. Classic Cap could dodge a shotgun blast from pointblank. What exactly is peak human about that? He's always been Superhuman to me. Most "skilled" fighters are in the sense that they can do things that are impossible. Like taking on a platoon of armed guys barehanded or with a single piece. Then again, firearms job alot in action movies and in comics. Law enforcement too. Yea although as you just said, guns are the biggest jobbers in comics. Batgirl dodged a sniper bullet up close. I thought I made a thread on that. Comic peak humans do a bit more than real world humans do naturally, they just don't cross the suspension of belief as much. I mean people saw Cap as the peak of human potential with long lasting endurance since he doesn't build lactic acid the same way. I have no problem with him outrunning or lifting the best olympian, but if he throws a firetruck I'm calling bs on it. |
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Post by JACK-2 on Feb 15, 2015 17:58:50 GMT -5
]Yea although as you just said, guns are the biggest jobbers in comics. Batgirl dodged a sniper bullet up close. I thought I made a thread on that. Comic peak humans do a bit more than real world humans do naturally, they just don't cross the suspension of belief as much. I mean people saw Cap as the peak of human potential with long lasting endurance since he doesn't build lactic acid the same way. I have no problem with him outrunning or lifting the best olympian, but if he throws a firetruck I'm calling bs on it. In the movie he seems more superhuman. He can break/dent heavy metal doors and kick people 10 feet across the room. He doesn't dodge bullets, though. Hell, he's stronger than Deathlok in the cinematic universe. |
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Feb 15, 2015 18:41:49 GMT -5
]Yea although as you just said, guns are the biggest jobbers in comics. Batgirl dodged a sniper bullet up close. I thought I made a thread on that. Comic peak humans do a bit more than real world humans do naturally, they just don't cross the suspension of belief as much. I mean people saw Cap as the peak of human potential with long lasting endurance since he doesn't build lactic acid the same way. I have no problem with him outrunning or lifting the best olympian, but if he throws a firetruck I'm calling bs on it. In the movie he seems more superhuman. He can break/dent heavy metal doors and kick people 10 feet across the room. He doesn't dodge bullets, though. Hell, he's stronger than Deathlok in the cinematic universe. It's funny because most "human" like characters are weakened because of movie physics. Yet he actually ended up solid. Kind of like Blade did. |
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Post by JACK-2 on Feb 16, 2015 5:02:27 GMT -5
I think Blade would be a good match for him too. All in all, I think he convincingly beats Robocop with marginal difficulty. His defense is too good, he has better hand 2 hand and considerably good strength. Robocops big advantage seems to be speed and reflexe's.
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Feb 16, 2015 5:23:38 GMT -5
I think Blade would be a good match for him too. All in all, I think he convincingly beats Robocop with marginal difficulty. His defense is too good, he has better hand 2 hand and considerably good strength. Robocops big advantage seems to be speed and reflexe's. Speed, reflexes, and his gun. I think he'd win if Cap lost his shield but with it he should win. The older Robocop was tougher but slower. |
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Post by JACK-2 on Feb 16, 2015 5:26:34 GMT -5
Do you think he'd still lose without his shield in close-quarters?
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Feb 16, 2015 5:38:22 GMT -5
I'm not sure on Robocop's strength level but with his gun, speed, and durability I think he could manage their pretty decently despite Caps h2h skills. From a distance he'd own. If Cap didn't have his shield.
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Post by JACK-2 on Feb 16, 2015 6:12:32 GMT -5
I can see cap disarming him, he can also use his shield to "slice" almost like a blade. So, dismemberment is on the table. There's just too much versatility on Caps side. I'd have to arm Robocop with much better equipment.
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Feb 16, 2015 6:29:50 GMT -5
I can see cap disarming him, he can also use his shield to "slice" almost like a blade. So, dismemberment is on the table. There's just too much versatility on Caps side. I'd have to arm Robocop with much better equipment. What equipment do you have in mind for him? |
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Post by JACK-2 on Feb 16, 2015 6:31:26 GMT -5
His standard gun, but I'll allow dual-wield if things get heated.
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Feb 16, 2015 6:32:14 GMT -5
His standard gun, but I'll allow dual-wield if things get heated. Well I don't think Robocop needs spam. He does have a strong targeting system that's beyond human. Could Cap really avoid all of the bullets? His shield doesn't cover his whole body. |
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Post by JACK-2 on Feb 16, 2015 6:39:35 GMT -5
Crouching it does cover his entire body. But, no he's not dodging all the bullets as far as standard bullet jobbing goes. The thing is he can wait it out, unless robocop snipes him.
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Feb 16, 2015 6:45:38 GMT -5
Crouching it does cover his entire body. But, no he's not dodging all the bullets as far as standard bullet jobbing goes. The thing is he can wait it out, unless robocop snipes him. Well if he sits still he loses his mobility. I wonder how good Robocop is at ricocheting his bullets? I don't know how strong Robocop is though, I'd like to imagine he has more strength than Cap. |
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Post by JACK-2 on Feb 16, 2015 6:59:26 GMT -5
He doesn't have more strength then Cap. Centipede soldiers in Agents of Shield use a formula similar to, but weaker than Cap's serum. They can do this:
He doesn't have much cover in that environment. So, yeah. His mobility would be cut down. I mean I can see him outrunning the bullets. But, jobber aura off he would get tagged.
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Feb 16, 2015 7:02:21 GMT -5
He doesn't have more strength then Cap. Centipede soldiers in Agents of Shield use a formula similar to, but weaker than Cap's serum. They can do this: He doesn't have much cover in that environment. So, yeah. His mobility would be cut down. I mean I can see him outrunning the bullets. But, jobber aura off he would get tagged. Not quite the same medium but I get the idea. I don't think that's anything that's out of the range of the new Robocop, but I can't honestly say as his strength wasn't really used much. I'm sure it's higher than a human's though. |
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Post by JACK-2 on Feb 16, 2015 7:06:38 GMT -5
Those guys are much weaker than Cap, btw. The serum they used [Centipede] is a weaker variation add the combat skills and Invulnerable Shield. You get the idea, but yeah. Robocop is stronger than a human. But, he hasn't demonstrated much.
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Feb 16, 2015 7:22:51 GMT -5
Those guys are much weaker than Cap, btw. The serum they used [Centipede] is a weaker variation add the combat skills and Invulnerable Shield. You get the idea, but yeah. Robocop is stronger than a human. But, he hasn't demonstrated much. We'll leave strength out for now since I can't conclude based on lack of feats. Lack of feats doesn't mean worse mind you. Just inconclusive. |
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Post by JACK-2 on Feb 16, 2015 7:40:28 GMT -5
Usually, I give the inconclusive showings as an F. A bit different then how I do it.
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Feb 16, 2015 8:00:57 GMT -5
Yea. That's how they do it at KMC. The problem with that argument is you have people who use characters with tons of feats like Superman, and pick the very best stuff while characters who have more limited showings do worse, even if they're equal or better than the character they're facing. In my opinion I don't think that stuff in the video is anything that Robocop can't do. Hitting people and making them "fly" can be done in real life as well with the right momentum and physics.
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