The Fallacies of Modern Thinking.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Just pointing out some of the many fallacies of modern thinking. (There are many.)

First is the argument: "If people don't get welfare, they'd steal."

This is dumb for many reasons I'll get into shortly.

[magicattack]

May 20, 2015 3:39:57 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Just pointing out some of the many fallacies of socialism. (There are many.)

First is the argument: "If people don't get welfare, they'd steal."

This is dumb for many reasons I'll get into shortly.

I eagerly await this.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

May 24, 2015 17:03:04 GMT -5 magicattack said:

May 20, 2015 3:39:57 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Just pointing out some of the many fallacies of socialism. (There are many.)

First is the argument: "If people don't get welfare, they'd steal."

This is dumb for many reasons I'll get into shortly.

I eagerly await this.

Oh yes, I forgot all about this. Busy and all of that.

This is a fallacy for many reasons.

1. If welfare programs were so effective in preventing theft, then the areas that are steeped in welfare would have very low crime rates. The highest crime rates in the US are areas that are loaded with welfare. They also have high rates of out of wedlock childbirths, crime, and people who live off of the system for life and then their children do it. Many of these people often resort to crime to extend some of their expendable income. They're entitled to it from their point of view so why not?

2. If simply redistributing income to people who didn't earn it worked so well, then why don't we all get a free living? There is a cost to this that comes from the productive part of society. In other words: money that comes from the private and productive sector to welfare programs is money that would have went to job creation via savings and investment.  People would have been productive and society would have benefited from their labor vs having them steal and learn no valuable skills.

3. This should be obvious but welfare programs are all about buying votes and have nothing to do with helping the poor. We have more people dependent on these systems than we have ever before when they first started. Charity is a far more effective way of distributing money and it's done voluntarily. Around 90% of the money that is used for welfare goes to the government, and 10% goes the person they're trying to "help" (aka buy votes from). On the other hand with charity about 90% of the money goes to the recipient. This isn't better than people working, but people are far less likely to abuse this system and they don't stay on it for life. If rampant fraud happened within an organization, people could go somewhere else and not bother. The government doesn't care how it's allocated because it's not their money.

4. If this method works so well, then why does it fail in every country that tries it? Stealing money to prevent stealing has never worked and many countries have meet their destruction under socialism. Once you advocate theft you enter a moral slippery slope. Why not have government commit any other illicit acts like rape or murder, under the justification that others would do it unless they did it? That shows how dumb this logic is.

5. The police is there to prevent theft and people have weapons to defend their own property. The government spends more time and resources stealing (and other things) instead of preventing crime in the first place.  Crime prevention is cheap if they stuck to it.  They want to throw people in jail for smoking weed and productive people in jail for not paying taxes, while giving people money not to work?  It's simply absurd.

6. Why do people who say they're for the poor assume so little of them? The majority of us work and don't steal. So why can't the poor? Are we saying they're wild animals an useless parasites who will only resort to theft without their stolen money? There will always be that small percentage of society that steals, but that's what the law is there for (as well as defense). People who don't get this free money won't take the means to abuse it and will work and improve their lives instead of being trapped in a life of poverty and enslaving the rest of us to it. There is a very large moral hazard to welfare and it should be obvious that a very significant percentage of people on it can work and just choose to abuse it anyways. They use welfare, bogus disability, etc. People would rather be paid to not work than work and the more you reward something the more you get, if people weren't taxed so much they'd be more willing to work, but they're punished for it.

7. People on welfare are on a very high tax bracket to work because not only do they lose their benefits; they also pay taxes. So if you can have a free living and then you go and take a job, not only do you lose all of your money, you're paying on top of that, it's often effectively a 100%+ tax to get off of welfare.

8. The government prints the money out of nowhere; this is inflation. This makes the cost of living higher which hurts the poor more than anybody. Which shows they don't really care about helping anybody at all but themselves. They want to help themselves into office.


It's all very insidious and I really hate the argument that we should "steal to prevent stealing" because it doesn't make sense and it's not what America's about. Or should be about rather. It's not what we were founded on, that's for sure.