Why do black people tend to be Marxist?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

I've noticed in my time there's an extremely high percentage of black people who hold Marxist beliefs. What do you think the reason behind this is? I have my own thoughts, but I wonder the point of view of others on this issue.

[JACK-2]

You have to remember that Marxism operates in a perpetual victim paradigm. The entire rhetoric which is built on warfare between two groups: The proletariat i.e the victims, poor people, black people, minorities, etc. vs the bourgeoisie I.e the privilege, the rich, corporations, white people, whatever. Needs victims in order to sell it's myth. It also uses blame which is popular among the morally cripple.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jul 4, 2015 15:12:42 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

You have to remember that Marxism operates in a perpetual victim paradigm. The entire rhetoric which is built on warfare between two groups: The proletariat i.e the victims, poor people, black people, minorities, etc. vs the bourgeoisie I.e the privilege, the rich, corporations, white people, whatever. Needs victims in order to sell it's myth. It also uses blame which is popular among the morally cripple.

Well what I find interesting is that black people are on the very extreme end. They tend to be religiously "conservative" as in they believe in God, but they also are very liberal when it comes to economic things.

In other words, they believe completely in the victim mentality and not taking responsibility in their lives. They also rely on lots of taking. Which is natural for these groups. They either believe God is going to take care of them or the government is going to take care of them. This is all a mindset of surrendering control because they feel they're entitled to free stuff. They also commit lots of theft and crime.

I just find that interesting. The groups that "care" the most tend to be the biggest thieves.

[JACK-2]

Well, marxism is a religion. So, it's not surprising that they can be both Marxist and Religious. Mass Religious movements like most mass movements in general tend to be giant hive-minds. Capitalism and Individualism is unappealing because it isn't as romantic or makes any utopian promises like heaven or Government taking care of you. It just says you'll have the freedom to live how you want and be who you truly are. If you're a loser than that message isn't as appealing as being taken care of by some higher authority: God or The government or whatever.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jul 4, 2015 18:14:05 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Well, marxism is a religion. So, it's not surprising that they can be both Marxist and Religious. Mass Religious movements like most mass movements in general tend to be giant hive-minds. Capitalism and Individualism is unappealing because it isn't as romantic or makes any utopian promises like heaven or Government taking care of you. It just says you'll have the freedom to live how you want and be who you truly are. If you're a loser than that message isn't as appealing as being taken care of by some higher authority: God or The government or whatever.

Exactly. The black community has a strong sense of being followers. You always see these groups headed by some figurehead "speaking for the black community". Why do black people need someone to speak on behalf of all of them like some giant hivemind? Why can't they speak for themselves.

As you said, promising losers free stuff is easy. The thing is Capitalism and Individualism lead to the highest standards of living and made us a utopia compared to the rest of the world at one point we live in a utopia compared to people in the distant past. It's hard work but it's effective. This waiting for others to take care of you is just a fairy tale.

[JACK-2]

Well, the figure head has to appeal to whatever is popular otherwise he's not gonna get the votes. Remember when Obama was a senator? He often talked about real problems facing the black community such as the absence of fathers. People didn't want to hear that so he "Marxed up" his campaign.

Capitalism leads to improved standard of livings, but it's not utopian in the sense that there are always problems in society. Utopia is ultimately a Marxist ideal. There's no such thing as a perfect society where everyone is living with no problems. Because capitalism doesn't promise utopia or some perfect society. Marxist dislike it, even when it creates a much better life than Marxist hell-holes.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

This is the problem with democracy. People want to buy votes and they have to appeal to the morons. If they didn't need to do that they could focus on actually being effective leaders. No need to do that when they can just buy votes from morons.

I remember when people were mad at Obama saying that. I recall when he said that we need to cut back on spending. Look at what he's doing now. Running up more debt than anybody else, lol. It's a shame.

There's definitely no utopia like "heaven". People want to be "taken" care of so they don't have to take responsibility for their own lives. They want to live like children and then say they're all equal. I've seen animals held more accountable for their actions.

That said who knows the kind of progress we could have had with much less government. You can never see the damage on the things we could have had if it weren't for all the socialism. Like Peter Schiff said we could work two days a week and have such good technology that we could live 150 years, but since so many morons are voting we end up destroying progress. If we stayed on track the past 100 years or so we would have had a world we couldn't imagine. Look how fast capitalism improved us in the past to the first megapower.

[JACK-2]

Yeah, life extension technology, and automation that eliminates dangerous or dirty jobs are a big thing for me as well. But, even if we lived in a society where people stopped growing sick or old. People would still want government to wipe their asses for them because they cannot be bothered.

People don't want to be accountable for what they do or say nor do they want to be held to a standard. It's all about feelings these days.


There's a saying goes: Republicans are the party of the Europeans who founded this country [Anglo] while Democrats represent the values of Europeans who immigrated here in the 19th and 20th centuries [Continentals]. Regardless of race most immigrants are Marxist generally in America. Outside of W.A.S.P [White Anglo Saxon Protestant] and a few exceptions. On average: Catholics, Jews, Continental Europeans and immigrants from the early 20th century, Latino's, Asians, and the aforementioned Blacks are largely left leaning on average. Continental Europeans are the most Marxist people on earth. Marxism is also big in Latin america [Venezuela in particular] and Asia.

In America the two coast are insanely liberal/Marxist. Same with the universities and media. It's hard to avoid.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jul 6, 2015 10:22:09 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Yeah, life extension technology, and automation that eliminates dangerous or dirty jobs are a big thing for me as well. But, even if we lived in a society where people stopped growing sick or old. People would still want government to wipe their asses for them because they cannot be bothered.

People don't want to be accountable for what they do or say nor do they want to be held to a standard. It's all about feelings these days.


There's a saying goes: Republicans are the party of the Europeans who founded this country [Anglo] while Democrats represent the values of Europeans who immigrated here in the 19th and 20th centuries [Continentals]. Regardless of race most immigrants are Marxist generally in America. Outside of W.A.S.P [White Anglo Saxon Protestant] and a few exceptions. On average: Catholics, Jews, Continental Europeans and immigrants from the early 20th century, Latino's, Asians, and the aforementioned Blacks are largely left leaning on average. Continental Europeans are the most Marxist people on earth. Marxism is also big in Latin america [Venezuela in particular] and Asia.

In America the two coast are insanely liberal/Marxist. Same with the universities and media. It's hard to avoid.

Yea, well Marxism has reared it's head time and time again. Honestly where you have democracy you'll have socialism. They go hand in hand. If Singapore or Switzerland devolved into mob rule, all of their progress would be broken and they'd be instantly poor like we are in America.

Southeast is OK like Florida (which doesn't have state taxes) but it's funny that the places with good weather tend to be Marxist paradises. Why can't they take their stupid social experiments elsewhere?

[JACK-2]

Democracy is the biggest mistake in politically history. As long as people can vote themselves what they want then we will never have freedom. Because freedom is what works everything else failed.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jul 6, 2015 13:05:48 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Democracy is the biggest mistake in politically history. As long as people can vote themselves what they want then we will never have freedom. Because freedom is what works everything else failed.

It's funny because if you ask blacks if they believe in slavery almost 100% say no, and they tend to bring up slavery for the reasons why they "deserve" free stuff.

However if you ask them why they're entitled to take someone's productivity if they don't believe in slavery and the hamster spins. You can't be against slavery and be for entitlements at the expense of someone else or be for theft. That's why what MisterLC said was crazy to me when he said people have a right to steal what they "need". People will say they need all kinds of things if they could get it for free.

[JACK-2]

It's one of the reasons why I don't hang out with Black people. I know other people can be Marxist too, but when you have 90% of a population voting for obunga and the Dems. Then you have yourself a case of loseritis, bad case too. I find non-blacks to be more pleasant as well .

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jul 27, 2015 13:23:18 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

It's one of the reasons why I don't hang out with Black people. I know other people can be Marxist too, but when you have 90% of a population voting for obunga and the Dems. Then you have yourself a case of loseritis, bad case too. I find non-blacks to be more pleasant as well .

Yea black people are like 95-99% socialist. It's fucking pathetic. They're very uneducated in many things and don't have any idea what's going on. They just expect to be taken care of by some other group and they vote in a monolithic way. It's like they're some type of hive mind. If the Democrats didn't have victimhood votes, they'd have nothing.

I hang around people who are successful and ambitious. It's just that VERY FEW are black and the ones that are all say the same thing and all say don't hire black people.

[JACK-2]

Jul 27, 2015 13:55:48 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

It's just that VERY FEW are black and the ones that are all say the same thing and all say don't hire black people.

LMFAO. The sad thing is it's true. Whenever I go downtown and take the bus to Uni it's even more apparent. Everyone looks so unsightly and awful. Don't even get me started on the women.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jul 27, 2015 13:58:24 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Jul 27, 2015 13:55:48 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

It's just that VERY FEW are black and the ones that are all say the same thing and all say don't hire black people.

LMFAO. The sad thing is it's true. Whenever I go downtown and take the bus to Uni it's even more apparent. Everyone looks so unsightly and awful. Don't even get me started on the women.

Lazy and unmotivated, and the ones that do well are called sell outs. I look at Larry Elder and people will complain that he "sold out on his people". What the hell is it with this "people" talk? I'm an individual.

You don't think black women are quality?

[JACK-2]

You follow Larry Elder too? Yeah, dude is smart and accomplished. But, because he doesn't tow the line he's a "sell out". Bunch of losers.

I don't think I have a racial preference, but I dislike the stereotypical hood-rat and overall divaesque attitude Black Women tend to have. What about you? Do you think they're quality?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jul 27, 2015 14:12:13 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

You follow Larry Elder too? Yeah, dude is smart and accomplished. But, because he doesn't tow the line he's a "sell out". Bunch of losers.

I don't think I have a racial preference, but I dislike the stereotypical hood-rat and overall divaesque attitude Black Women tend to have. What about you? Do you think they're quality?

Lol they said the same thing about Stacey Dash because she didn't vote democrat and all people should vote democrat.

There are some rare ones. Black 10's are rare but they are some of the most beautiful women on the planet. There just aren't very few of them. Much easier to find white and latina 10's.

[JACK-2]

So, I take it you prefer White's and Latina's on average?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jul 27, 2015 14:43:19 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

So, I take it you prefer White's and Latina's on average?

I prefer hot women.

[JACK-2]

Jul 27, 2015 14:53:57 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

I prefer hot women.

I feel you and combined with what you said before. I see where you're coming from. What I was asking is you generally see more 10's with Whites and Latina's then?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Yea, that's what I was saying before. Black 10's are relatively rare outside of the entertainment industry. Don't know why but that's the way it is.

[misterlc]

@ C-master

Why is it shocking that I stated that people have a right to pursue their needs? You act as though you would be above self preservation in the face of starvation. I sincerely doubt that you would refrain from stealing food if it were the ONLY means of you acquiring it. Please understand the difference between the idea of "need" vs the idea of "think that they need". You inserted "think that they need" after I responded to the specific question that asked about behaviors concerning "needs". Technically speaking unless you suggest a moral code exists, humans have every right that animals have. I believe that a moral code exists so taking "what you think you need" could be wrong in a myriad of different ways as what people "think" varies significantly however what people absolutely need is common 100% of the time. These are the things that a person will die without 100% of the time.

Now I will commend your iron will if you will dehydrate to death if hypothetically some psycho had you chained somewhere and left water in your reach but told you not to drink it because it's his and drinking it would be stealing. I have a difficult time thinking that you would rather die than steal what you need. Correct me if I am wrong.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 3, 2015 13:09:44 GMT -5 misterlc said:

@ C-master

Why is it shocking that I stated that people have a right to pursue their needs? You act as though you would be above self preservation in the face of starvation. I sincerely doubt that you would refrain from stealing food if it were the ONLY means of you acquiring it. Please understand the difference between the idea of "need" vs the idea of "think that they need". You inserted "think that they need" after I responded to the specific question the asked about behaviors concerning "needs". Technically speaking unless you suggest a moral code exists, humans have every right that animals have. I believe that a moral code exists so taking "what you think you need" could be wrong in a myriad of different ways as what people "think" varies significantly however what people absolutely need is common 100% of the time. These are the things that a person will die without 100% of the time.

Now I will commend your iron will if you will dehydrate to death if hypothetically some psycho had you chained somewhere and left water in your reach but told you not to drink it because it's his and drinking it would be stealing. I have a difficult time thinking that you would rather die than steal what you need. Correct me if I am wrong.

This has already been answered. This is like the argument that you shouldn't be able to kill someone in self defense because killing is wrong 100% of the time no matter what. If someone has deprived you of your freedom and you stole the key to free yourself why would that be any more wrong than killing in self defense?

The problem with "needs" is who defines a need? The government? They'll say people need whatever they can get to get elected. People "need" healthcare, people "need" education, people "need" affordable housing. The problem is that stealing in a civilized society is wrong and it simply doesn't work in a free society.

If we allow individuals to determine what they can steal, they'll just justify it too. We have lazy workers saying they "need" a living wage for doing no skill work. People "need" cell phones, people "need" laptops, people "need" many things. Also people die whether or not they get those things regardless. It's simply not a practical way to approach anything. If dumb animals can provide for their needs, then why can't humans in a society?

Morals are subjective which is why it's a pain to argue them. Everyone has different morals and what they consider right and wrong and marxism just proves it. The fact that black people overwhelmingly think that people have a right to steal when it benefits them all while saying slavery is wrong is just a joke. Why is slavery wrong but stealing ok? It's just a roundabout way of doing the same thing. You take ownership of what someone else produced against their will.


I believe in a limited government free society that we were founded on. The things I'm against have to do with them being ineffective and not working. Not based on "feelings" and some odd "morals". If stealing works so well, could you point out the societies that became prosperous for it.

People can give to charity voluntarily, but theft is wrong. A person being held prisoner is a bad argument because nobody is held prisoner in a free society (unless they are criminals) so they have the ability to pursue a way to earn that food or find someone willing to give it to them, not just steal it and provide zero value. It doesn't work.

[misterlc]

Tangible needs= Food and water.

[JACK-2]

Hate to barge in but. You can claim whatever right you want. But, rights can only function properly when your right to somethng does not obligate someone else to do whatever for you.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 3, 2015 13:21:46 GMT -5 misterlc said:

Tangible needs= Food and water.

No medicine or housing? What about clothes? What if a person steals a television to sell it for food? Sex is tangible. Do people get to force that on others too?

How do you account for all of this and how can a person say they believe in capitalism allow this?

Why can't people get off of their ass and earn money so they can buy food? People all over the world do it, why can't they?

Why is stealing ok but slavery bad? I want a black person to seriously explain this to me. Why is owning someone's productivity ok in one scenario and not the other?

Nobody has the right to live at the expense of others. They have a right to not be killed or deprived of their property. There's a difference.

[JACK-2]

Well, according to Marxist logic: since black people were slaves they are therefore entitled to welfre forever.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 3, 2015 13:44:40 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Well, according to Marxist logic: since black people were slaves they are therefore entitled to welfre forever.

Which is dumb for several reasons:

1. Slavery existed around the world and just about every place has had slaves. The western countries fought to get rid of it but it would have died out because it's unproductive for the same reason that marxism is unproductive: people have no incentive to work hard when they can't keep what they earned.

2. Nobody alive in America has been a slave so enslaving others is just hypocritical and wrong and shows that people always do what's in their own self interest and then use "morality" as an excuse to cover it up.

3. If someone murders your kid, do you just murder someone else's kid to make up for it? Black people commit lots of crime and get lots of free stuff, what if white people decided it was their turn?

It's sad because these people are so stupid they literally can't see the consequences of their dumb voting and bad decisions. It's just like immigrants who flee from socialist hellholes and then come here and say "In my country we had free xxx", not realizing that the "free stuff" is why they were in the position they're in; nothing is more expensive than free.

This all just shows you can't fix stupid and people have no right voting. Socialism has *destroyed* the black family yet they still vote for it almost 99% of the time. Just dumb.

Get up and carry yourselves. Take responsibility for your own life.

[JACK-2]

Yep, voting is a mistake. Socialism and democracy are not anathema. Most of the time the two go along.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 3, 2015 14:02:17 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Yep, voting is a mistake. Socialism and democracy are not anathema. Most of the time the two go along.

That's because they're pretty much the same.

More dumb people than smart people and more losers than winners. The losers resent the winners and want to steal. The problem is just like you can't remove gravity, you can't remove nature. The shit sinks to the bottom. That's why marxism fails, that's why lottery winners go broke, and that's why you can't fix poverty by throwing money at it. If you could it would died off long ago.

The problem isn't the money. People are too unproductive or consume too much. The weak, dumb, and lazy don't want to earn. They want to steal and they ruin society in the process.