Religion is about control or lack thereof

[JACK-2]

For most of human history man has not been in control. He's been subject to nature, disease, more powerful men, and so forth. So, in order to rationalize that control he created a being who was "In control of all thing". This helped him make sense of a world that was too big and too complex for him to understand. It makes the world more manageable.

[JACK-2]

That's difference between people with an external locus of control [weak people] and internal locus of control . One believes in his own ability and strength. While the other believes in luck, Society, God, Government, and some other external force.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 8, 2015 14:48:10 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

For most of human history man has not been in control. He's been subject to nature, disease, more powerful men, and so forth. So, in order to rationalize that control he created a being who was "In control of all thing". This helped him make sense of a world that was too big and too complex for him to understand. It makes the world more manageable.

In other words, religion is for losers, and people who get powerful brainwashing losers into giving them money and doing what they want by scaring them into obedience.

People use religion for things that they can't understand or explain. They need to believe in something to push them through the day instead of taking control of their own lives. They need to push the accountability for their actions onto a another entity so they can escape it and feel safe. It's for people who don't want to take care of their own lives. It's for losers.

This is why the less educated and poor tend to be religious and the more self sufficient start to shy away from it. People who are dumb don't plan things ahead. They just make stupid decisions and want to be bailed out. Normally nature would take care of them, but they have evolved to a new form of parasitism where they shame the productive into giving them money or just use hired theft in the hands of the government.

That explains why big government and big religion appeal to these types of people so much. They all offer an easy fix to life's problems instead of taking responsibility.


www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2008/05/10-reasons-you-should-never-have-a-religion/

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 8, 2015 14:56:56 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

That's difference between people with an external locus of control [weak people] and internal locus of control . One believes in his own ability and strength. While the other believes in luck, Society, God, Government, and some other external force.

Weak Men More Likely To Believe In Welfare State

Left Wingers Have Less Self Control

[JACK-2]

This is what communities and groups do. People use numbers to escape personal responsibility.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 8, 2015 15:08:07 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

This is what communities and groups do. People use numbers to escape personal responsibility.

When I think of the word "community" I think of stupid morons. It's just a catch all phrase for people who don't want to carry themselves. I'm an individual and I live on Earth. I'll move where I want and adapt there. I don't need to be part of some "group" to think for myself.

It always annoys me when politicians and others say things like "I'm speaking for the black community". I don't need a community to speak for me. I can speak for myself. I'm not a toddler.

Then there's this idea that if you become successful or want to do something else you're "betraying the community". Yea like I'm going to sit back and have people take from me and do nothing. If someone wanted to move to a better neighborhood for themselves nobody would say that was bad.

These marxist/religious groups are so intolerant and xenophobic for a reason. They don't want anybody challenging their thoughts.

[JACK-2]

Yeah, but weak people are always gonna be around. Either we kill them all or we control them with Religion:


For God walks among you and it is unclean. That a bunch of illiterate goat sodomizers could understand. Cholera, not so much.

Do not eat meat and cheese on the same plate for it angers God. Again goathumpers could understand that. Bacterial growth and interaction on unsealed wooden plates in the desert without anti-bactrial soap and hot water? Not so much.

Lent and a list of prohibited foods you can't eat because God commands it is something a bunch of shit in the teeth peasants can understand. Understanding expiration dates and food poisoning mixed with limited storage methods not so much. (Oh yeah, and group fasting? Food rationing)

No pork in deserts because pigs are unclean? Pffffft, try when you have limited arable land and crops, the destruction caused by feral pigs means everyone in the village starves.

As Richard pointed out, these things were known BEFORE it got wrapped up in mythology. They knew it worked, they just didn't know why. Because God walks among us was an explanation that peasants could understand -- even if they have no idea what was causing it, they knew do this and you die.


Democracy and Marxism on the otherhand galvanize the weak into destroying society.

[JACK-2]

I found a video of Schiff talking about monarchies

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 8, 2015 15:32:14 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Yeah, but weak people are always gonna be around. Either we kill them all or we control them with Religion:


For God walks among you and it is unclean. That a bunch of illiterate goat sodomizers could understand. Cholera, not so much.

Do not eat meat and cheese on the same plate for it angers God. Again goathumpers could understand that. Bacterial growth and interaction on unsealed wooden plates in the desert without anti-bactrial soap and hot water? Not so much.

Lent and a list of prohibited foods you can't eat because God commands it is something a bunch of shit in the teeth peasants can understand. Understanding expiration dates and food poisoning mixed with limited storage methods not so much. (Oh yeah, and group fasting? Food rationing)

No pork in deserts because pigs are unclean? Pffffft, try when you have limited arable land and crops, the destruction caused by feral pigs means everyone in the village starves.

As Richard pointed out, these things were known BEFORE it got wrapped up in mythology. They knew it worked, they just didn't know why. Because God walks among us was an explanation that peasants could understand -- even if they have no idea what was causing it, they knew do this and you die.


Democracy and Marxism on the otherhand galvanize the weak into destroying society.

In a free society the weakest and dumbest live the highest standards of living. They can be weak as long as they carry their own weight. If they can't steal then they'll have to work. I prefer to keep people away from altruistic brainwashing as it's the same thing government use, but MODERN religion is the lesser of both evils, although religion and government have been pretty much the same thing in some cases.

[JACK-2]

But, how do you stop the stealing? Monarchies work well, but dumb people will need to believe it's because of a higher power that a king has authority over them. If they're free to elect their leaders they'll just vote for more people to steal. Freedom only works for the productive.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 8, 2015 16:16:35 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

But, how do you stop the stealing? Monarchies work well, but dumb people will need to believe it's because of a higher power that a king has authority over them. If they're free to elect their leaders they'll just vote for more people to steal. Freedom only works for the productive.

That's why the vote should be restricted the way it once was. Eventually they still got in.

The problem is, how do you put the genie back in the bottle now? Anybody who tries to restrict the vote will never get elected. Religion still caters to entitled losers. Look at the vagina worship and some churches now have gay bars. Not that I care, but it's funny how they go against their "beliefs" when it's profitable.


I guess you have to leave and let nature run its course.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 8, 2015 16:07:29 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

I found a video of Schiff talking about monarchies

I know he's said that monarchy is better than a democracy, which is true. Good find though.

[JACK-2]

Maybe you're right. We can't put the genie back because the system isn't built for monarchy. Infact, monarchy had to be destroyed first before we had room for democracy. Things are just gonna have to run their course. Yes, religion isn't great but useful for controlling the masses. We just need God to say the right things: less altruism abd more personal responsibility. Then again, some societies manage to do that without God. So, yeah...

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 8, 2015 17:07:20 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Maybe you're right. We can't put the genie back because the system isn't built for monarchy. Infact, monarchy had to be destroyed first before we had room for democracy. Things are just gonna have to run their course. Yes, religion isn't great but useful for controlling the masses. We just need God to say the right things: less altruism abd more personal responsibility. Then again, some societies manage to do that without God. So, yeah...

Religion doesn't want people taking responsibility, because then they won't be there donating.

I can't change the world, but I can change myself and my circumstances. Hopefully this nonsense will be considered as obsolete as the world being flat.

Then again underestimating human stupidity is a dangerous flaws.

[JACK-2]

That's why I said if someone made a religion about responsibility. You can get people to believe whatever you want as long as you frame it in the context of belief.


Yes, but even if you leave world alone it won't necessarily leave you alone. If people were spouting nonesense on their own without bothering anyone. i wouldn't care. But they always try to force their beliefs on others through violence. It's killed or be killed.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 8, 2015 17:22:28 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

That's why I said if someone made a religion about responsibility. You can get people to believe whatever you want as long as you frame it in the context of belief.


Yes, but even if you leave world alone it won't necessarily leave you alone. If people were spouting nonesense on their own without bothering anyone. i wouldn't care. But they always try to force their beliefs on others through violence. It's killed or be killed.

In that case I'd rather just teach them reality and pass on common sense. It'll take generations for us to have those values though, too many people weaned on the system.

[JACK-2]

Well, we've seen how well teaching reality works with people. There's no easy solution. I'm personally bailing on western civilization.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 8, 2015 17:37:42 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Well, we've seen how well teaching reality works with people. There's no easy solution. I'm personally bailing on western civilization.

We haven't tried to teach reality. It has to start young and at the home. When these morons have been brainwashed their entire lives to give control up to something else and that they deserve something for nothing, that's where this mentality comes from. There's definitely a difference in a free society and a welfare society mentality wise.

[JACK-2]

People say the samething about poverty. That they don't kniw better and need to be taught it. Poor people act like that because they choose not because of lack of education. People in past had less education, but worked harder and saved more.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 8, 2015 18:18:17 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

People say the samething about poverty. That they don't kniw better and need to be taught it. Poor people act like that because they choose not because of lack of education. People in past had less education, but worked harder and saved more.

I don't think it's about being brilliant. I think it's about a lack of brainwashing. Religions and governments brainwash kids from a young age. That's why they value children and the youth so much. The US education system is based on the Prussian education system. This is based on teaching people to be a bunch of obedient drones.

That's why so many academics believe in big government. They're brainwashed government employees who are resentful of people who earn more than they do so they want to advocate stealing. It's all just people who've been trained something and are too scared to break out.

They don't always have to be dumb, just mentally weak. Hence weak. Social shaming also works against the dumb as they'll keep their mouth shut to avoid not fitting in. That's how socialist thoughts were treated, now we worry about being politically correct all of the time which is just stupid.

[JACK-2]

I keep hearing its brainwashing. But, I went through the same education system. I didn't comeout thinking that way. Neither did you, people aren't equal and education imo can't change that.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 8, 2015 18:29:21 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

I keep hearing its brainwashing. But, I went through the same education system. I didn't comeout thinking that way. Neither did you, people aren't equal and education imo can't change that.

Because they're weak willed. Most people don't stop drinking the kool aid because it's easy. Look at all the fools who say inflation is good and debt is good. They've been taught this their entire lives. It's not just a logical thing for them and just giving up their free stuff. It's that they've been fed something their whole lives and now they have to give it up. So they engage in denial and cognitive dissonance. They have to avoid the obvious truth no matter what because they're too weak mentally to handle it.

That's how brainwashing works. They take the weak minded and make them dependent so they can satisfy their emotional need. This isn't about logic, it's about mental weakness and emotional neediness. Just like the people who believe in "love" and "magic" instead of reality that people want something in exchange.

[JACK-2]

That's what I'm saying. It's not an issue of logic and education. People who are emotional don't react to reason and logic. You have to explain it to them in a way that involves feelings.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 8, 2015 18:49:42 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

That's what I'm saying. It's not an issue of logic and education. People who are emotional don't react to reason and logic. You have to explain it to them in a way that involves feelings.

Well the truth needs to also be said.

But morals are subjective and people won't give up easily. Look at how people justify anything. "Stealing isn't stealing if I say it is." It takes years and years of reprogramming from years of government brainwashing and parental brainwashing.

You even have "conservatives" who want Social Security and Medicare, and probably public schools.

People simply aren't going to give up their free money at this point. It could be cut and we could be down for a while and rebuild, but then the last politician will be blamed for that and it'll take a long time to take away that sense of entitlement.

It's like a chick who had men give her everything she wanted. She's not going to just get up and accept it after getting it her whole life nor will she want to.

You need to do both. Logical so people can understand, and emotionally so people can "feel" or whatever that means. The people making the laws "HAVE" to understand or else they'll just twist feelings into getting votes.

[JACK-2]

Well, that's what I'm sayong. Laws should be logical, but when being filteted down to the general idiots. It should be persuasive enough to keep them in check.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 8, 2015 19:17:19 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Well, that's what I'm sayong. Laws should be logical, but when being filteted down to the general idiots. It should be persuasive enough to keep them in check.

Well it'll take some time to teach values.

For example. Remember when having children out of wedlock was considered shameful at one point? Now it's seen as something to be glorified and rewarded. This didn't happen overnight. It took programs and brainwashing and a change in culture to have this effect. For people to get out of the entitlement mindset for one it will need to be banned. Eventually people will see the results and we need to get government and these groups away from the youth. The more they can influence them, the more brainwashed they become.

[JACK-2]

Agreed.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 8, 2015 20:24:19 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Agreed.

That's why I don't want to wait around for that to happen. That would take way too long.

[magicattack]

I agree about the brainwashing tactics.

Our education system is an utter failure. Religion is not much better.


People just need something to believe in, even if the truth is staring them right in the face.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 9, 2015 17:38:53 GMT -5 magicattack said:

I agree about the brainwashing tactics.

Our education system is an utter failure. Religion is not much better.


People just need something to believe in, even if the truth is staring them right in the face.

That's because people will always engage in cognitive dissonance whenever the truth hits them. They don't like people like me saying anything because the truth hurts and it's easy to believe in delusion.

Both of those ideas are failure which is why I believe in leading your own life and responsibility for it. People don't want that freedom so they give it up. It's sad.