Religion is about control or lack thereof

[magicattack]

But we need an education system. Children are not going to educate themselves. We need a complete overhaul.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 9, 2015 18:20:27 GMT -5 magicattack said:

But we need an education system. Children are not going to educate themselves. We need a complete overhaul.

That can be done privately very easily and cheaply. Especially with internet and modern services. Nobody is going to let their kid go around dumb. Nowadays it's just a modern baby sitting system since we pay the taxes and both parties work so that someone else can watch the kids.

There have been some private schools able to do it much cheaper. If you had more competition the prices would go down. Just like everything else.

[magicattack]

Aug 9, 2015 18:52:50 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Aug 9, 2015 18:20:27 GMT -5 magicattack said:

But we need an education system. Children are not going to educate themselves. We need a complete overhaul.

That can be done privately very easily and cheaply. Especially with internet and modern services. Nobody is going to let their kid go around dumb. Nowadays it's just a modern baby sitting system since we pay the taxes and both parties work so that someone else can watch the kids.

There have been some private schools able to do it much cheaper. If you had more competition the prices would go down. Just like everything else.

I don't agree with your supply and demand theory with regards to an overall price decrease. But suffice to say only people that use the service should be forced to pay for it, which would lower my cost to 0. The government should cut me a check for all the years of paying into the system and never receiving anything in return. 

And I also don't agree that people won't let their kids sit around and be stupid. Parents don't make their kids do anything now to help educate their kids, have you talked to any young kids lately? The majority are lazy and stupid.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 9, 2015 22:32:44 GMT -5 magicattack said:

Aug 9, 2015 18:52:50 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

That can be done privately very easily and cheaply. Especially with internet and modern services. Nobody is going to let their kid go around dumb. Nowadays it's just a modern baby sitting system since we pay the taxes and both parties work so that someone else can watch the kids.

There have been some private schools able to do it much cheaper. If you had more competition the prices would go down. Just like everything else.

I don't agree with your supply and demand theory with regards to an overall price decrease. But suffice to say only people that use the service should be forced to pay for it, which would lower my cost to 0. The government should cut me a check for all the years of paying into the system and never receiving anything in return. 

And I also don't agree that people won't let their kids sit around and be stupid. Parents don't make their kids do anything now to help educate their kids, have you talked to any young kids lately? The majority are lazy and stupid.

Supply and demand affects the prices for everything, it's not a theory anymore than gravity is a theory. The reasons that college is so overpriced is because the price is artificially inflated because of guaranteed loans. When people have easy access to money they bid things up. Our education system is a waste because what incentive do they have to keep the price low? Then you have teachers milking the system. The price has to go down when different businesses compete because they need new customers. Not to mention the huge bulk of students going private means businesses can lower prices because they have more customers. It's the economics of supply.


Parents now don't take responsibility for their kids because they just drop them off at school like a government babysitter. If people felt themselves paying out of pocket directly in a society where people were more accountable you'd see a lot less of it. This has been shown by private school children having more involved parents. Some people are just going to be on the fringes though.

[magicattack]

Aug 9, 2015 23:58:12 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Aug 9, 2015 22:32:44 GMT -5 magicattack said:

I don't agree with your supply and demand theory with regards to an overall price decrease. But suffice to say only people that use the service should be forced to pay for it, which would lower my cost to 0. The government should cut me a check for all the years of paying into the system and never receiving anything in return. 

And I also don't agree that people won't let their kids sit around and be stupid. Parents don't make their kids do anything now to help educate their kids, have you talked to any young kids lately? The majority are lazy and stupid.

Supply and demand affects the prices for everything, it's not a theory anymore than gravity is a theory. The reasons that college is so overpriced is because the price is artificially inflated because of guaranteed loans. When people have easy access to money they bid things up. Our education system is a waste because what incentive do they have to keep the price low? Then you have teachers milking the system. The price has to go down when different businesses compete because they need new customers. Not to mention the huge bulk of students going private means businesses can lower prices because they have more customers. It's the economics of supply.


Parents now don't take responsibility for their kids because they just drop them off at school like a government babysitter. If people felt themselves paying out of pocket directly in a society where people were more accountable you'd see a lot less of it. This has been shown by private school children having more involved parents. Some people are just going to be on the fringes though.

I am going to just disagree. At this Point without any actual numbers there is no possible way for it to work. There is a lot of holes is your scenario and not having a sound business plan while just hoping for the best sounds an awful lot like Obamacare.

My point is the education that the children are receiving is subpar. That is not on the children, parents not teachers. They do not set the curriculum. That needs to be addressed. Forcing parents to pay out of pocket won't fix that.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 10, 2015 9:51:29 GMT -5 magicattack said:

Aug 9, 2015 23:58:12 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Supply and demand affects the prices for everything, it's not a theory anymore than gravity is a theory. The reasons that college is so overpriced is because the price is artificially inflated because of guaranteed loans. When people have easy access to money they bid things up. Our education system is a waste because what incentive do they have to keep the price low? Then you have teachers milking the system. The price has to go down when different businesses compete because they need new customers. Not to mention the huge bulk of students going private means businesses can lower prices because they have more customers. It's the economics of supply.


Parents now don't take responsibility for their kids because they just drop them off at school like a government babysitter. If people felt themselves paying out of pocket directly in a society where people were more accountable you'd see a lot less of it. This has been shown by private school children having more involved parents. Some people are just going to be on the fringes though.

I am going to just disagree. At this Point without any actual numbers there is no possible way for it to work. There is a lot of holes is your scenario and not having a sound business plan while just hoping for the best sounds an awful lot like Obamacare.

My point is the education that the children are receiving is subpar. That is not on the children, parents not teachers. They do not set the curriculum. That needs to be addressed. Forcing parents to pay out of pocket won't fix that.

Where are all of these holes in voluntary choice? It works in providing food and everything else. I don't believe in government central planning because it doesn't work. Anybody can cook up some quick numbers to sell to a lot of people. Private schools are already far better than government schools. That's a fact.

Private schools don't have the bureaucratic overhead that schools do so of course it will be cheaper. The most expensive stuff is free stuff.

Obamacare was based off of fallacy and lies. The idea that you can get insurance after the fact just destroys insurance since it is about pre existing conditions, and forcing others to get insurance doesn't work. It was just a wealth transfer from the young and healthy to the women, old, and sick. Of course government programs don't work which is why I don't like them. Whatever they try just ends up worse.

You think the government can provide education cheaper than private schools? Again what incentive do they have to keep the prices low when they have no profit and loss incentive? People can choose the best approach for their children.


They're receiving low quality and high costs due to a lack of competition. That's due to the government who runs the whole thing and we do have a lot of subpar teachers. Education majors are sought after by the least qualified people.

People who have to pay want the best quality for their price. How does forcing the government approach make it better? Voluntary choice is not force. Government in charge of housing and mail doesn't work either. Why would it work in education? We didn't have the government in education before and it was fine. It's not necessary. The quality declined the more we got government in. It's subpar and overpriced. We spend more than anybody else on education and we have the worst quality. Do you think that's a coincidence.