What's Worse? PUA's or MGTOW's?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

I'm at a loss here? What do you think?

PUA's have betas who are trying to act "alpha" by learning a bunch of over-complicated tricks to get women by people milking them for money instead of just working on themselves and letting it happen naturally.

MGTOW's say they're about freedom but just sit around whining about their own failures and how they can't get women.

What do you think?

[JACK-2]

I say mgtow is wrst only because if the whining. While most pua is bullshit, because you're still working unnecessarily hard to get sex in a market where women are overvalued. There's at least an attempt to do something. Mgtow is a bunch of men crying over pussy.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 14, 2015 16:27:09 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

I say mgtow is wrst only because if the whining. While most pua is bullshit, because you're still working unnecessarily hard to get sex in a market where women are overvalued. There's at least an attempt to do something. Mgtow is a bunch of men crying over pussy.

I see your point. Better to at least try something than to sit around and whine. It just seems the PUA's would be better improving themselves for themselves all around (work out, dress better, learn some social skills, improve their careers, etc.) and be guaranteed more success all around *and* with women versus the overly complicated nonsense that PUA's do.

MGTOW's are just bitter whiners. They seem more honest in some ways though, despite their incel whining.

[JACK-2]

One thing I disagree about pua is that they think that the current situation with women benefit them. It doesn't, western women are like 1 frame links. Just because courting women has become harder doesn't mean dominant men are benefiting from this. You're essentially getting less good looking women but with more effort. How is that good?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 14, 2015 16:44:47 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

One thing I disagree about pua is that they think that the current situation with women benefit them. It doesn't, western women are like 1 frame links. Just because courting women has become harder doesn't mean dominant men are benefiting from this. You're essentially getting less good looking women but with more effort. How is that good?

Well PUA's aren't really desirable in the natural sense anyways. For men who can get women easily and don't want to commit, you can find many girls who are all about a quick fling in their early years while they're still celebrating their "independence". Use them and use them while they're desperate to compete for the top percent of men. The one good thing about the USA is that the girls have a good variety in looks. They're bad long term partners but great for a quick lay if you're into that.


The men who don't pay attention to them and know how to not worship them end up being MORE desirable. With all the pussy boys it makes these guys look better. It's almost like I'm cutting my nose to spite my face sometimes to tell these men to grow balls.

[JACK-2]

That's true, I just wish the laws weren't so bad.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 14, 2015 17:09:33 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

That's true, I just wish the laws weren't so bad.

Yea, that's my issue. People wouldn't be as stupid if they couldn't force others to take the cost of their bad decisions. We wouldn't see these issues sexually or financially.

Should we have "forced monogamy" or hear men whine about not getting any? No.

[magicattack]

Is this the thread for me to complain about lack of sex?

Because I can go on for days n days.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 15, 2015 13:09:13 GMT -5 magicattack said:

Is this the thread for me to complain about lack of sex?

Because I can go on for days n days.

Are you familiar with what these groups are? Just making sure so it'll make sense.

[magicattack]

I know it's pick up artists. And men going their own way?

I probably don't fit into either category. My pick up game is weak. But that is ok.

And I don't mind having a girlfriend. And that is ok.

But I am single now, so I am currently not having sex.


Can I still complain here? Lol

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 15, 2015 14:00:46 GMT -5 magicattack said:

I know it's pick up artists. And men going their own way?

I probably don't fit into either category. My pick up game is weak. But that is ok.

And I don't mind having a girlfriend. And that is ok.

But I am single now, so I am currently not having sex.


Can I still complain here? Lol

Lol sure. Knock yourself out.

Pick Up Artists are just guys who follow silly routines to get laid. There's some good red pill stuff in there, but some of them cross over into HBD stuff. Most are betas trying to be alpha.


MGTOW just want to abstain from traditional roles. They have a point too, but they tend to whine about being betas and not getting laid. So they're frauds too.