Marxist Themes In Comics.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Does anybody else notice the marxist themes that exist in our comics? The very principles of "the greater good" and "with great responsibility" seem to be steeped in this. My guess is that it's not only wish fulfillment in the traditional sense but also a way to make others feel better about their lives. Like another super being will come in and solve all of their problems. It seems to go with some of the other worship we talk about on here.

Thoughts?

[JACK-2]

Oh boy, you have no idea. It's not even subtle anymore

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 24, 2015 14:08:38 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Oh boy, you have no idea. It's not even subtle anymore

Comics have always been machines for propaganda. Perhaps they are adjusting with the modern times?

[JACK-2]

I still love comics but there's no denying that the zietgeist is leftist and Marxist. If you can get around there are good stories.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 24, 2015 22:44:03 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

I still love comics but there's no denying that the zietgeist is leftist and Marxist. If you can get around there are good stories.

Well comics and other art mediums have always shot their propaganda. Recall Hollywood actors weren't even liberal in the past. Comics had anti Japanese and Hitler propaganda. It's annoying now but they're with the times of PC garbage it seems.

[JACK-2]

With any luck it will pass.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 25, 2015 9:47:23 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

With any luck it will pass.

Well comics have always sprouted propaganda. What gets me is this idea of "heroism" is based on marxist principles. If you're strong you're enslaved to taking care of the weak. Heroes are breaking whatever rules they choose for the "greater good", while doing illogical things. Are these good traits to have? Sound sociopathic to me.

[JACK-2]

I've always preferred the villains like Doom and Magneto, anyway. But, heroes have to be on the side of society in order for people to like them and buy their comics. So, there's that.

Speaking of PC:

"Let me ask you one simple question: if, say, Donald Glover were cast as Peter Parker tomorrow, what do you think Stan would say about it?" ... Don't you think that's a double standard, Tom? What if Jessica Biel got cast as Storm? People would go crazy about it, even though Storm being black is not as culturally important as Black Panther or Luke Cage being black in the movies. Perry White was black in the movies. Imagine a black Perry White in comics in the 30s...
Anonymous

This might be a valid argument if the sides were equal. But they are in no way near to being. There are literally thousands of white super heroes, and comparatively few black super heroes. So casting a white actress as Storm is not the same thing as casting a black actor as Spider-Man. If you cast, say, one of the Fantastic Four with a black actor, there are still three white super heroes, 75%, in your film. And it’s really an obvious lack of understanding or empathy among people who make this argument. You have no conception of what it is like to look over the comic book racks and to not be able to find a character who resembles you on the most basic level. And what’s more, you don’t really care.

As for your ridiculous Perry White analogy, I had no idea that MAN OF STEEL was set in the 1930s.

brevoortformspring.tumblr.com/post/122419443048/let-me-ask-you-one-simple-question-if-say

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 25, 2015 11:34:04 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

I've always preferred the villains like Doom and Magneto, anyway. But, heroes have to be on the side of society in order for people to like them and buy their comics. So, there's that.

Speaking of PC:

"Let me ask you one simple question: if, say, Donald Glover were cast as Peter Parker tomorrow, what do you think Stan would say about it?" ... Don't you think that's a double standard, Tom? What if Jessica Biel got cast as Storm? People would go crazy about it, even though Storm being black is not as culturally important as Black Panther or Luke Cage being black in the movies. Perry White was black in the movies. Imagine a black Perry White in comics in the 30s...
Anonymous

This might be a valid argument if the sides were equal. But they are in no way near to being. There are literally thousands of white super heroes, and comparatively few black super heroes. So casting a white actress as Storm is not the same thing as casting a black actor as Spider-Man. If you cast, say, one of the Fantastic Four with a black actor, there are still three white super heroes, 75%, in your film. And it’s really an obvious lack of understanding or empathy among people who make this argument. You have no conception of what it is like to look over the comic book racks and to not be able to find a character who resembles you on the most basic level. And what’s more, you don’t really care.

As for your ridiculous Perry White analogy, I had no idea that MAN OF STEEL was set in the 1930s.

brevoortformspring.tumblr.com/post/122419443048/let-me-ask-you-one-simple-question-if-say

That's a dumb argument since comics are largely made by white males for white males, so of course the characters will be male. It's also racist because it assumes that black people will only buy a comic if a black person in it.


Even "edgy" badass characters who go against the grain (which is popular nowadays) are still doing "the right thing". Anime and manga tend to take the more pragmatic approach which is what I like. There's no doubt that culture has an influence on entertainment.

[JACK-2]

Japanese culture has less black and white morality. Outside of childish things such as Power Rangers and Kamen Rider. Most characters tend to be pragmatic and morally gray. We're too "Progressive" and it shows in our media.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Haha, yea the most childish stuff still has that. Funny though since "altruism" is a really large grey. Superheroes breaking all kinds of laws when it's convenient is never questioned. It's quite disturbing to be honest.

10 years ago we weren't obsessed with being politically correct. It seems to have came about with Obama.

[JACK-2]

I so love that japanese anime and works gives me alot of breathing room away from the PC garbage:

But what about Japanese games? If you look at the enduring, iconic characters from the Japanese game industry — Mario, Link, Solid Snake, Samus, Chris Redfield, Leon Kennedy — are either white and/or have European features and names. Some would argue that characters in the Final Fantasy series look white to us but look Japanese to Asian people. I don’t want to impose Western views of race on the world — but at the same time, I don’t think we can ignore the significance of characters with blonde hair and blue eyes inhabiting worlds with a heavily European-based fantasy aesthetic, coming from the imagination of a people who are predominantly dark haired and dark eyed.

thenerdsofcolor.org/2014/02/24/missing-polygons-asians-race-and-video-games/

Otherwise we'd be swimming in it.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Aug 25, 2015 15:17:19 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

I so love that japanese anime and works gives me alot of breathing room away from the PC garbage:

But what about Japanese games? If you look at the enduring, iconic characters from the Japanese game industry — Mario, Link, Solid Snake, Samus, Chris Redfield, Leon Kennedy — are either white and/or have European features and names. Some would argue that characters in the Final Fantasy series look white to us but look Japanese to Asian people. I don’t want to impose Western views of race on the world — but at the same time, I don’t think we can ignore the significance of characters with blonde hair and blue eyes inhabiting worlds with a heavily European-based fantasy aesthetic, coming from the imagination of a people who are predominantly dark haired and dark eyed.

thenerdsofcolor.org/2014/02/24/missing-polygons-asians-race-and-video-games/

Otherwise we'd be swimming in it.

Yea, as far as I was concerned anime/manga characters never looked quite white or asian to me. More like a mix. Unless they were blond.

They still have their white obsession there, which is ironic.