Wolverine v. Batman v. Capt. America

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Dec 13, 2008 19:27:54 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

You don't?

Some of the things he's done are so silly it's hard to take him seriously.

Yea, but I guess I've given the fanboys the ben of the doubt for a while. He has great potential but they wank him so much.

What do you think are some of the silly things?

[JACK-2]

Being immortal, Surviving Nukes, Surviving getting his soul punched, Catching bullets from a sniper. . .I can go on. He is a great character if he is written how he was back in the 80's and 90's as opposed to the kinda of writing now which is reminiscent of superman.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Dec 13, 2008 22:38:05 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Being immortal, Surviving Nukes, Surviving getting his soul punched, Catching bullets from a sniper. . .I can go on. He is a great character if he is written how he was back in the 80's and 90's as opposed to the kinda of writing now which is reminiscent of superman.

And the fact people think he is un ko-able and is faster than Spiderman. It just gets painful to read.

[JACK-2]

Who isn't he faster than with his "Claw Blitz"?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Dec 14, 2008 19:29:56 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Who isn't he faster than with his "Claw Blitz"?

Reality?

Reminds me of the fanboy thread I made a while back (like 05) those were the days, I'll have to fetch that.

[JACK-2]

Man fan(boy)s are funny, but they ruin things if taken seriously. You should see the Batman Vs Captain America thread

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Dec 14, 2008 20:53:41 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Man fan(boy)s are funny, but they ruin things if taken seriously. You should see the Batman Vs Captain America thread

I think Cap fanboys are almost as bad as Wolverine fanboys, just less biased. Really Batman has one of the best jobber auras in comics, he makes Superman job. But then again his fanboys aren't rabid the same way.

[JACK-2]

I've seen your run in with Cap Fan[boy]s, but that particular thread had some real rabid people. There people claiming that Batman could expand people's minds. . .lol. I'm a Cap fan myself, the character seems to have a lot of controversy surrounding him.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Dec 15, 2008 19:19:09 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

I've seen your run in with Cap Fan[boy]s, but that particular thread had some real rabid people. There people claiming that Batman could expand people's minds. . .lol. I'm a Cap fan myself, the character seems to have a lot of controversy surrounding him.

Because people job to him, I don't dislike the character, or Wolverine for that matter, but people just don't know the difference between a forum debate or a comic debate, and they do when it goes in their characters favor. I almost cringe at my run in with fanboys. You don't seem too fanboyish to me. But Cap fanboys weren't hostile, bad spelling morons the same way, they were just die hard. Same thing with Batman, people will argue him taking hits from an "enraged" Superman or Darkseid, which we know wouldn't happen on a forum, so why use it.

They both have big jobber auras though. Batman is omnipotent unless he's around Joker. Cap is always omnipotent lol. They are both great characters though, and I don't pay attention to all of that when I'm reading a comic.

[JACK-2]

I used to be a big Fanboy though. I changed because I wanted to get an accurate answer, As for Cap well from what I've heard he's got massive jobbing feats. I haven't seen to much thus far because I've recently began delving heavily into his comic. I've seen one PIS moment where his kick broke Hulks grip on him and I've seen other moments where I wonder if he it's PIS or not. Like when he hit Goliath in a certain pressure point breaking his grip or his first fight with the scorpion which might of had a PIS finish [He K.O.'ed him with the tension of a Tree branch] or even when he was hanging with Prof Hulk in a fight by knock him of balance with pressure points. At time I dunno when feats are because of Fighting skills [not just H2H] or jobbing. But, I'm more than willing to find out.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Sometimes it just takes simple logic. The world's most skilled figther can't beat the world's largest elephant. Hell even a skilled child will have a hard time against a NFL player. Cap's general thing is that he "finds a way", much like Batman. Batman just has the plot device utility belt on him at all times, so he always "pulls something out". I think Cap is cool though, I think it's more of the American thing that keeps him where he is oft times.

[JACK-2]

Fair enough, but Cap is more liken to the most skilled fighter in the world carrying a weapon versus an elephant or a skilled child with a weapon vs an NFL athlete. I think people have the impression that being skilled Martial skills means beating strong people with H2H only. A real fighter is more than a pair of fist, Cap's battle savvy encompasses far more than H2H. . . He's closer to a real fighter more so than many characters I've seen in fiction. Strength =/= power, because there are infinite methods to taking people who surpass one in strength. It's something that Cap does all the time, because it's something that can be done. Not saying it justifies his fights against the Rhino. Just that if Cap does beat people who dwarf him in strength because he dwarfs them in skill. . Cap has an invincible shield, which allows him to hang with foes that outclass him physically and it buys him time to come up with a way to combat said foes. I think Cap can only win fights against super humans under a special circumstances. Otherwise he can hang with them for a while, but will not beat them under normal circumstances.

I call PIS on Cap when he does things like hitting Hulk and breaking his grip or punching out Rhino, or many of his pretty recent horrible jobber feats like beating Iron Spider-man or beating Onslaught or Beating Rhino & Hulk at the sametime. . .

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Right it's his tactics as well. But there comes a reasonable limit. A person with a stick vs an elephant, or even a small child with a knife vs an NFL player is approaching that limit. But at least you think that doing a little too well against Iron Spiderman was pushing it.

Honestly it's not even the "moves" you use, it's how you use them, which is why characters like Spiderman can benefit from the training. He won't need to do the certain "moves" but he could use the alternate thinking that he is used to. He can fight and he IS experienced which is most important, but his intelligence and physical ability would give him great potential.

The thing is Cap can do a lot more in a comic than in a forum, like Wolverine, but I think people should draw the line. With Wolverine people started making him faster than Spiderman, and unkoable, and he wasn't like that when I joined, he got like that after I left. They think he beats any brawler, and that's ridiculous to say the least when it's been proven otherwise numerous times.

[JACK-2]

Dec 18, 2008 3:54:15 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Right it's his tactics as well. But there comes a reasonable limit. A person with a stick vs an elephant, or even a small child with a knife vs an NFL player is approaching that limit. But at least you think that doing a little too well against Iron Spiderman was pushing it.

That fight was horrible, how exactly can cap hurt Iron Spidey with punches when he's taken bullets casually? I caught a glimpse of Jinzin trying to use that as a feat in support of Cap in the old Cap Vs Spidey thread. That fight is a horrible, HORRIBLE low showing for Spider-man. Why anyone would try to use it respectably is beyond me.

The most Cap can do is hang with Spidey going all out.

Dec 18, 2008 3:54:15 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Honestly it's not even the "moves" you use, it's how you use them, which is why characters like Spiderman can benefit from the training. He won't need to do the certain "moves" but he could use the alternate thinking that he is used to. He can fight and he IS experienced which is most important, but his intelligence and physical ability would give him great potential.

I always hear people claiming that Spider-man is an inferior fighter to so many other heroes simply because he doesn't have any formal training. I always scratch my head in amazement regarding comments like that. Fighting at it's core isn't about fancy combat styles or military strategy's. Those are just tools that gives one leverage. The core principle of fighting is survival which is something Spider-man is already good at right off the bat. His fighting style of relying on his Danger radar, speed, super-strength, webbing and agility IMO is just as good if not better than any MA in Marvel U. . .even Caps. After all he has: Much better reflexes, better use of Tech, better use of prep, much better cardiovascular strength, and is just as resourceful if not more so than Cap let alone Wolverine. The only thing I think people like cap and Wolvie have over him is Hand speed and Experience which is negligible anyway because he has a lot of experience and never stands still. The only way I could give Cap a win is if I have one-sided circumstances where I limit Spidey use of his environment and give cap nigh-full use. . .Which of course would not be fair. Cap can at best hang, he's not gonna beats Spidey going all-out.

Furthermore, Spider-mans physiology puts his potential above any MA in marvel U. Hell, he's already above most MA's anyway. With training I think he would just be unbeatable.

Dec 18, 2008 3:54:15 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

The thing is Cap can do a lot more in a comic than in a forum, like Wolverine, but I think people should draw the line. With Wolverine people started making him faster than Spiderman, and unkoable, and he wasn't like that when I joined, he got like that after I left. They think he beats any brawler, and that's ridiculous to say the least when it's been proven otherwise numerous times.

The funny thing is that Beast is much faster and agile then Wolverine. . .Yet, he's inferior to spider-man in those respects. I don't see how wolverine fanboys can have the audacity to mention wolverines speed when they speak of Spider-man.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Dec 18, 2008 5:30:42 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Dec 18, 2008 3:54:15 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Right it's his tactics as well. But there comes a reasonable limit. A person with a stick vs an elephant, or even a small child with a knife vs an NFL player is approaching that limit. But at least you think that doing a little too well against Iron Spiderman was pushing it.

That fight was horrible, how exactly can cap hurt Iron Spidey with punches when he's taken bullets casually? I caught a glimpse of Jinzin trying to use that as a feat in support of Cap in the old Cap Vs Spidey thread. That fight is a horrible, HORRIBLE low showing for Spider-man. Why anyone would try to use it respectably is beyond me.

The most Cap can do is hang with Spidey going all out.



I always hear people claiming that Spider-man is an inferior fighter to so many other heroes simply because he doesn't have any formal training. I always scratch my head in amazement regarding comments like that. Fighting at it's core isn't about fancy combat styles or military strategy's. Those are just tools that gives one leverage. The core principle of fighting is survival which is something Spider-man is already good at right off the bat. His fighting style of relying on his Danger radar, speed, super-strength, webbing and agility IMO is just as good if not better than any MA in Marvel U. . .even Caps. After all he has: Much better reflexes, better use of Tech, better use of prep, much better cardiovascular strength, and is just as resourceful if not more so than Cap let alone Wolverine. The only thing I think people like cap and Wolvie have over him is Hand speed and Experience which is negligible anyway because he has a lot of experience and never stands still. The only way I could give Cap a win is if I have one-sided circumstances where I limit Spidey use of his environment and give cap nigh-full use. . .Which of course would not be fair. Cap can at best hang, he's not gonna beats Spidey going all-out.

Furthermore, Spider-mans physiology puts his potential above any MA in marvel U. Hell, he's already above most MA's anyway. With training I think he would just be unbeatable.

Dec 18, 2008 3:54:15 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

The thing is Cap can do a lot more in a comic than in a forum, like Wolverine, but I think people should draw the line. With Wolverine people started making him faster than Spiderman, and unkoable, and he wasn't like that when I joined, he got like that after I left. They think he beats any brawler, and that's ridiculous to say the least when it's been proven otherwise numerous times.

The funny thing is that Beast is much faster and agile then Wolverine. . .Yet, he's inferior to spider-man in those respects. I don't see how wolverine fanboys can have the audacity to mention wolverines speed when they speak of Spider-man.

Wow, where were you in those threads when I was owning those fanboys, we could have used more sanity.

But yea, the problem is that most people on the boards masquerade like they are all high black belts when most of them are quite the opposite. There's an efficiency in fighting, if I constantly get beat up by someone who has no "training", how can I say I'm a better fighter? Training helps you move your body, it doesn't make you good at "fighting" people. That takes a whole different mind and experience. Spiderman has his own style so he won't be doing traditional moves, he could use the training to apply it better, but everyone can learn something from someone else. Wolverine hardly uses his skill but fanboys always use MA as a crutch. I remember explaining this in Spiderman vs Batman.

I'm not sure if they have more handspeed than Spiderman, they just use it more, Spiderman said he's 40x faster than a human going all out. Even at half that, he's much faster, and given how he has to use his webs, (which is different than his full body strikes he uses in fights) I'll say he has that too. But they have experience, which is almost negligible because he does too. People never really proved any of these points when I asked them, but they kept saying the same thing. I even made a Spiderman vs Wolverine speed thread and they proved nothing, but they got it closed (Battlehammer did) because of fighting.

That "Wolverine is faster than Spiderman" thing didn't happen until a fanboy named riceroost started that myth. Just like the "Spiderman can't hang with skilled fighters" myth, when in reality he could just web them up, hell even ultimate Spiderman can do that.

[JACK-2]

Dec 18, 2008 6:02:50 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Wow, where were you in those threads when I was owning those fanboys, we could have used more sanity.

That thread was. . .man.

Dec 18, 2008 6:02:50 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

But yea, the problem is that most people on the boards masquerade like they are all high black belts when most of them are quite the opposite.

Many people online are, even though I don't have much fighting experience it's easy to tell who is full of it when it comes to fighting.

Dec 18, 2008 6:02:50 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

There's an efficiency in fighting, if I constantly get beat up by someone who has no "training", how can I say I'm a better fighter? Training helps you move your body, it doesn't make you good at "fighting" people. That takes a whole different mind and experience. Spiderman has his own style so he won't be doing traditional moves, he could use the training to apply it better, but everyone can learn something from someone else. Wolverine hardly uses his skill but fanboys always use MA as a crutch. I remember explaining this in Spiderman vs Batman.

Well said, Martial arts training is just teaches you tools and helps you learn how to use your body in a combat situation. It gives you an edge, but that's it. To win a fight is a whole different ball game. This biggest misconception are people who somehow think they are fighting guru's because they take a course or fight in a few matches in a ring. There's always some "Internet Master" who thinks they are the end all of all martial arts. Arguments that claim spidey cannot beat MA because he doesn't have formal training are hilarious. It's like they completely ignore the massive cardiovascular advantage and borderline psychic pre-cognotion Spider-man has.

I second that notion, which is why I gave the match to Cap. What real fighting skills has wolverine demonstrated that allegedly make him on par with Cap? Most of his fights revolve around him attacking like a wild animal. The most tactical thing I see him do is use his stealth and stalking skills. Besides, aren't many of his memories false anyway. . .The only one being legit is his training with the CIA? Not that it matters because he rarely uses this "training" anyway.

Dec 18, 2008 6:02:50 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

I'm not sure if they have more handspeed than Spiderman, they just use it more, Spiderman said he's 40x faster than a human going all out. Even at half that, he's much faster, and given how he has to use his webs, (which is different than his full body strikes he uses in fights) I'll say he has that too. But they have experience, which is almost negligible because he does too. People never really proved any of these points when I asked them, but they kept saying the same thing. I even made a Spiderman vs Wolverine speed thread and they proved nothing, but they got it closed (Battlehammer did) because of fighting.

I meant in the sense that they use there hands better than he does. [wrong word, my bad] But, I doubt it's gonna be too much of an issue because his reflexes outclasses theirs so much that it more than makes up for it. I always see different stats for spidey's reflexes. . .15-20-40 and even 50. Where can I get an up to date profile on him?

Dec 18, 2008 6:02:50 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

That "Wolverine is faster than Spiderman" thing didn't happen until a fanboy named riceroost started that myth. Just like the "Spiderman can't hang with skilled fighters" myth, when in reality he could just web them up, hell even ultimate Spiderman can do that.

Or just KTFO.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Dec 18, 2008 6:31:07 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Dec 18, 2008 6:02:50 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Wow, where were you in those threads when I was owning those fanboys, we could have used more sanity.

That thread was. . .man.




Many people online are, even though I don't have much fighting experience it's easy to tell who is full of it when it comes to fighting.




Well said, Martial arts training is just teaches you tools and helps you learn how to use your body in a combat situation. It gives you an edge, but that's it. To win a fight is a whole different ball game. This biggest misconception are people who somehow think they are fighting guru's because they take a course or fight in a few matches in a ring. There's always some "Internet Master" who thinks they are the end all of all martial arts. Arguments that claim spidey cannot beat MA because he doesn't have formal training are hilarious. It's like they completely ignore the massive cardiovascular advantage and borderline psychic pre-cognotion Spider-man has.

I second that notion, which is why I gave the match to Cap. What real fighting skills has wolverine demonstrated that allegedly make him on par with Cap? Most of his fights revolve around him attacking like a wild animal. The most tactical thing I see him do is use his stealth and stalking skills. Besides, aren't many of his memories false anyway. . .The only one being legit is his training with the CIA? Not that it matters because he rarely uses this "training" anyway.







I meant in the sense that they use there hands better than he does. [wrong word, my bad] But, I doubt it's gonna be too much of an issue because his reflexes outclasses theirs so much that it more than makes up for it. I always see different stats for spidey's reflexes. . .15-20-40 and even 50. Where can I get an up to date profile on him?

Dec 18, 2008 6:02:50 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

That "Wolverine is faster than Spiderman" thing didn't happen until a fanboy named riceroost started that myth. Just like the "Spiderman can't hang with skilled fighters" myth, when in reality he could just web them up, hell even ultimate Spiderman can do that.

Or just KTFO.

Wow I guess your sanity kept you out of that thread then, unlike me. . Someone made a very good point, "The majority of people arguing against Spiderman in any given thread are almost ALWAYS Wolverine fanboys." Or any MA fanboy really.

I'm glad someone knows what they're talking about. You don't even have to be a black belt super master to know the basics of how fighting works in application of movement. You'd have to be pretty dense to negate such huge advantages. I would take Spiderman's physique vs. a trained person anyday, and I could always train anyways. Being trained and not ever fighting is even worse, you see that all the time with soccer mom dojos everywhere.

Another thing you brought up I argued too. Wolverine fanboys seem to think that Spiderman can't ko him when others have done it many times. Wolverine takes damage at the rate of a human in great shape. He can be hurt by glass etc. He gets knocked out at that rate, and the adamantium is hard metal which absorbs less impact. But people don't realize that being ko'ed is your like your brain temporarily shutting a switch off to your body, you can be healed of "damage" to your tissues and whatnot and still be ko'ed. So how Wolvigod got into play is beyond me as well.

[JACK-2]

Dec 18, 2008 6:47:36 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Wow I guess your sanity kept you out of that thread then, unlike me. . Someone made a very good point, "The majority of people arguing against Spiderman in any given thread are almost ALWAYS Wolverine fanboys." Or any MA fanboy really.

Two things I find funny about that is Wolverines MA isn't even that great. He's supposedly well trained, but even if accept this he's been handled by Cyclops before and he isn't even the best. So, how do fanboys figure he will hang with Cap and Spidey who are even better? Second, I find it funny that these Fan[boy]s are defending wolverine as if MA and Wolverine are synonymous.

Dec 18, 2008 6:47:36 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

I'm glad someone knows what they're talking about. You don't even have to be a black belt super master to know the basics of how fighting works in application of movement. You'd have to be pretty dense to negate such huge advantages. I would take Spiderman's physique vs. a trained person anyday, and I could always train anyways. Being trained and not ever fighting is even worse, you see that all the time with soccer mom dojos everywhere.

Many so called "Black Belt Super Masters" do not even know these things and yet they are somehow qualified to teach. They are to pre-occupied with learning how shoot energy from their hands. I second that, His reflexes are superior to any fighter because he perceives and reacts to threats before they ever happen. Which shaves his response time considerably. His reaction time is several that of a regular human and is potentially more, He has Super Strength, Speed, and Agility of a man sized spider. Nevermind that his fighting style which rely's only mostly on instinct is superior to most MA's. So, much raw untapped potential and somehow Wolverine is more powerful? The same wolverine who is inferior to beast. [Fanboys will never admitt this]

Dec 18, 2008 6:47:36 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Another thing you brought up I argued too. Wolverine fanboys seem to think that Spiderman can't ko him when others have done it many times. Wolverine takes damage at the rate of a human in great shape. He can be hurt by glass etc. He gets knocked out at that rate, and the adamantium is hard metal which absorbs less impact. But people don't realize that being ko'ed is your like your brain temporarily shutting a switch off to your body, you can be healed of "damage" to your tissues and whatnot and still be ko'ed. So how Wolvigod got into play is beyond me as well.

I really don't see how his healing factor can help him after being knocked out? If wolverine takes damage like a regular human than being K.O.ed is easily within Spideys reach. A knockout isn't about healing wounds, it's when your brain shuts of due to trauma.How his healing factor some how will prevent this is a mystery.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Dec 18, 2008 7:34:38 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Dec 18, 2008 6:47:36 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Wow I guess your sanity kept you out of that thread then, unlike me. . Someone made a very good point, "The majority of people arguing against Spiderman in any given thread are almost ALWAYS Wolverine fanboys." Or any MA fanboy really.

Two things I find funny about that is Wolverines MA isn't even that great. He's supposedly well trained, but even if accept this he's been handled by Cyclops before and he isn't even the best. So, how do fanboys figure he will hang with Cap and Spidey who are even better? Second, I find it funny that these Fan[boy]s are defending wolverine as if MA and Wolverine are synonymous.




Many so called "Black Belt Super Masters" do not even know these things and yet they are somehow qualified to teach. They are to pre-occupied with learning how shoot energy from their hands. I second that, His reflexes are superior to any fighter because he perceives and reacts to threats before they ever happen. Which shaves his response time considerably. His reaction time is several that of a regular human and is potentially more, He has Super Strength, Speed, and Agility of a man sized spider. Nevermind that his fighting style which rely's only mostly on instinct is superior to most MA's. So, much raw untapped potential and somehow Wolverine is more powerful? The same wolverine who is inferior to beast. [Fanboys will never admitt this]

Dec 18, 2008 6:47:36 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Another thing you brought up I argued too. Wolverine fanboys seem to think that Spiderman can't ko him when others have done it many times. Wolverine takes damage at the rate of a human in great shape. He can be hurt by glass etc. He gets knocked out at that rate, and the adamantium is hard metal which absorbs less impact. But people don't realize that being ko'ed is your like your brain temporarily shutting a switch off to your body, you can be healed of "damage" to your tissues and whatnot and still be ko'ed. So how Wolvigod got into play is beyond me as well.

I really don't see how his healing factor can help him after being knocked out? If wolverine takes damage like a regular human than being K.O.ed is easily within Spideys reach. A knockout isn't about healing wounds, it's when your brain shuts of due to trauma.How his healing factor some how will prevent this is a mystery.

Well I have no problem with him knowing how to fight. I guess it's just he doesn't "need" it because of his ability, but then again it's the writers making it so he doesn't need it which is hurting his character. If Wolverine wasn't using claws, or skeleton, or healing, he would lose to Beast.

On the blackbelt thing there is a wonderful site called nononsenseselfdefense.com very good site, and I did a paper on "Martial Arts" based on my service and teaching and learning, the author of that site is real and I enjoyed talking to him.

Spiderman also has other tools at his disposal such as an instant stalemate via wall crawling (some fanboy said Wolverine gets a tank if that happens), and he has webbing with 1200 lb per meter tensile strength (maybe more now), he webbed up a mob of melee MA's, twice! Fanboys look past that though. It's a shame, watching your sanity gave me hope though and I had a passing urge to drill it into them but that is pointless. There was someone who said Wolverine's reaction time is equal to Spiderman's. And then there was Wolverine vs. Godzilla.

[JACK-2]

That's the thing about him that confuses me. He's a so-called fighting expert, but displays none and I mean none of his fighting expertise? I mean I know he's worked for several governments such as: The Canadian and American Gov. Also, he's a considered a secret weapon. I'm not trying to knock him, but why is is so rare to see him display anything? Can he really beat beast, I mean really when he's: Faster, Stronger, and more agile? Never mind Dark Beast.

I'll check the site out, sounds interesting . . .Thanks.

Well, Wolverine can climb walls too with his claws. But, bringing a tank. . .Well:

SPOILER: Click to show

Good luck with that, LOL.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Dec 18, 2008 17:10:58 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

That's the thing about him that confuses me. He's a so-called fighting expert, but displays none and I mean none of his fighting expertise? I mean I know he's worked for several governments such as: The Canadian and American Gov. Also, he's a considered a secret weapon. I'm not trying to knock him, but why is is so rare to see him display anything? Can he really beat beast, I mean really when he's: Faster, Stronger, and more agile? Never mind Dark Beast.

I'll check the site out, sounds interesting . . .Thanks.

Well, Wolverine can climb walls too with his claws. But, bringing a tank. . .Well:

SPOILER: Click to show

Good luck with that, LOL.

Yea look at it on your free time, there's a lot of material to it.

Well they said the tank would be adamantium, but even then if it's on it's head it won't matter. Nevertheless I was always trying to find him lift a tank. Never could remember where I saw it, good job. Wolverine can climb, but he'd wouldn't be as maneuverable and he'd be much more vulnerable.

I was reading the Cap vs. Spiderman thread and they're saying things like "strength doesn't matter in a fight" typical fanboys. They even brought up Beast, but does any person truly believe that they would have Beast beat Cap in a comic?

[JACK-2]

Where would he even get a tank, let alone one constructed of Adamantium to use in a fight? On a vertical Surface Spidey out classes him even more if that's even possible. Just web him up and Blanket party.

Well, Cap lost to scorpion in his own comic in one hit. Cap doesn't win unless he has one sided circumstances, but he isn't as bad as many heroes. Or how fanboys make him out with bias scans.

It depends on which version of Beast, he's gotten stronger over the years. I dunno if he would be able to beat Cap, he has a chance to. . .A much better chance than wolverine.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Dec 19, 2008 3:33:41 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Where would he even get a tank, let alone one constructed of Adamantium to use in a fight? On a vertical Surface Spidey out classes him even more if that's even possible. Just web him up and Blanket party.

Well, Cap lost to scorpion in his own comic in one hit. Cap doesn't win unless he has one sided circumstances, but he isn't as bad as many heroes. Or how fanboys make him out with bias scans.

It depends on which version of Beast, he's gotten stronger over the years. I dunno if he would be able to beat Cap, he has a chance to. . .A much better chance than wolverine.

It is fanboy logic. Kinda like posting their characters high end feats and ignoring the low ones and complaining about others. Which is again why I hate feat wars. The point isn't even if I agree with the feat, but I'm beating them at their own game.

Spiderman beats the XMen, "That doesn't count".

Spiderman beats Firelord, "That doesn't count".

"Wolverine took a nuke".
"Wolverine can move faster than the eye can see"
"Cap can take 100 class hits and shrug them off".

That kind of stuff gets on mynerves.

The only time where I'll use fighting skill as my sole argument is if all things are pretty much equal, that or they do advanced chi tech, lilke SF characters.

[JACK-2]

What's said is that's how most debates go down in pretty much all the forums I go too. Main reason why I got jaded an dleft debating all together. No one is really accurate and cares to be.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Dec 19, 2008 16:18:37 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

What's said is that's how most debates go down in pretty much all the forums I go too. Main reason why I got jaded an dleft debating all together. No one is really accurate and cares to be.

It's almost like they are laughing at you. I've had people post scans from characters having dreams, and say it counted.

[JACK-2]

I've seen that in the onslaught respected. I've also seen people count death as a durability feat for a character when they were revived by an outside source. Btw, I've checked out the super girl respect thread. Your right, she's a great character. . .Super Cute as well.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Yea, they shouldn't do that, but they do anyways.

I love her, hence the skin... if you've seen it. I'm still working on fixing them up.

[JACK-2]

I wonder why?

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I dunno who to pick between her an Cassandra Cain.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Lol, I don't *hate* girl on girl, but I probably wouldn't make it out to be what most do.

[JACK-2]

Kinda hard and tempting not too.