Rumor: SEGA to bring games like Vanquish and others to pc.

[WarMachineRhodey]

Once again had to butcher the title

segabits.com/blog/2016/01/01/rumor-sega-to-bring-games-like-vanquish-hatsune-miku-and-virtua-fighter-5-to-pc/


"Over at TSSZ News, site owner Tristan Oliver got himself cozy with a SEGA inside source who tells him that SEGA will continue to port to PC. Not that its a secret, considering that SEGA Europe openly tweeted as such but the interesting bit was what games SEGA is considering porting.



According to TSSZ’s source, the lineup of upcoming PC ports will be extensive. One of the bigger titles that surprised me was the mention of Yakuza 0, but according to the source its just a idea the team has shot around and isn’t finalized.



According to TSSZ the following titles are ‘high priority’ PC ports:



Vanquish

Resonance of Fate

Hatsune Miku: Project Diva franchise

Virtua Fighter 5

Valkyria: Azure Revolution

Seems that SEGA won’t stop there as their source also talked about them wanting to port several Atlus games. So far SEGA has put out at least one PC port a year, so it might be quite awhile before we see all these titles."


Dont know how reputable tssz news is but you never know.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 2, 2016 1:36:22 GMT -5 WarMachineRhodey said:

Once again had to butcher the title

segabits.com/blog/2016/01/01/rumor-sega-to-bring-games-like-vanquish-hatsune-miku-and-virtua-fighter-5-to-pc/


"Over at TSSZ News, site owner Tristan Oliver got himself cozy with a SEGA inside source who tells him that SEGA will continue to port to PC. Not that its a secret, considering that SEGA Europe openly tweeted as such but the interesting bit was what games SEGA is considering porting.



According to TSSZ’s source, the lineup of upcoming PC ports will be extensive. One of the bigger titles that surprised me was the mention of Yakuza 0, but according to the source its just a idea the team has shot around and isn’t finalized.



According to TSSZ the following titles are ‘high priority’ PC ports:



Vanquish

Resonance of Fate

Hatsune Miku: Project Diva franchise

Virtua Fighter 5

Valkyria: Azure Revolution

Seems that SEGA won’t stop there as their source also talked about them wanting to port several Atlus games. So far SEGA has put out at least one PC port a year, so it might be quite awhile before we see all these titles."


Dont know how reputable tssz news is but you never know.

Virtua Fighter 5 on PC? Hell yea. I can jump on board with that!

[spliffybaz]

If they did port it may not have online, because SEGA.

[JACK-2]

Nice.

Hopefully, Anarchy Reigns makes it too.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 2, 2016 21:50:07 GMT -5 spliffybaz said:

If they did port it may not have online, because SEGA.

Doubtful, it would be pointless to release a fighting game in 2016 or beyond with no online play. Instant failure. I can't complain about their PC releases and dedication. They've been solid on this end.

[spliffybaz]

This PC article was posted on the largest western VF site full of VF players and not one single player commented on it. in fact it got double posted and utterly ignored. VF players have no faith in SEGA at all and no netcode is something they've done before, along with outright skipping any western release of VF5R, FT, etc. But please feel free to get your hopes up, the VF community wont.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

VFDC? Never saw it there. If it was ignored it could be because it's a rumor that hasn't been validated. I would never give a rumor 100% credit. My point is if they were to release a modern fighting game on PC they would be dumb not to add netcode to it. Sega has done some pretty solid work with their PC releases as of late with the other games they have brought over. Which recent VF game did they release with no netcode? FS had it, unless you mean an older game.

Keep in mind that the cost of updating games on PC is far cheaper than on consoles which would allow them to do stuff like this cheaper. This is why Aksys and SNK have been releasing PC ports of their games with better netcode than the console games. It's much cheaper for these smaller companies which makes PC releases appealing to them.

I never said I was putting 100% faith behind it, but if they did it I would certainly be glad.

Let's say they end up releasing it on PC with netcode? Will you buy me a free copy if the rumor was vindicated?

[WarMachineRhodey]

Jan 3, 2016 21:47:46 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

VFDC? Never saw it there. If it was ignored it could be because it's a rumor that hasn't been validated. I would never give a rumor 100% credit. My point is if they were to release a modern fighting game on PC they would be dumb not to add netcode to it. Sega has done some pretty solid work with their PC releases as of late with the other games they have brought over. Which recent VF game did they release with no netcode? FS had it, unless you mean an older game.

Keep in mind that the cost of updating games on PC is far cheaper than on consoles which would allow them to do stuff like this cheaper. This is why Aksys and SNK have been releasing PC ports of their games with better netcode than the console games. It's much cheaper for these smaller companies which makes PC releases appealing to them.

I never said I was putting 100% faith behind it, but if they did it I would certainly be glad.

Let's say they end up releasing it on PC with netcode? Will you buy me a free copy if the rumor was vindicated?

That and since a PC can never become discontinued like a console can old titles on steam are still bringing in some kind of income for the companies. 

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

PC releases are the best move these companies can make and I'm glad they are starting to realize it. The future is looking bright. Especially the smaller companies who can make a good profit from small costs.

[spliffybaz]

VF5 Vanilla had no online they said it was impossible only to have the 360 version come out a year later with online. As for the possible PC release I can basically tell you how it will go if it happens and we will assume online. People will buy the game and there will be modestly large activity in ranked and rooms in the first month or so, but the skill gap between new PC players and all the current western VF players who have 4 years of experience in the system and know much of the frame data will be massive. Asian players have over 6 years with the game as they had it several years before it hit consoles in the west, so the skill gap is even higher with them given the longer playing time and the one time large offline scene which the west never had. You can only ever reach a certain level with purely online play in VF or any game and it will never be as high as constant offline play where there are no missing frames eaten away by latency. What always happens with VF is people say they want VF and want to play VF, but Final Showdown isn't really VF (much more like Tekken) and there is tons of bullshit in the game and now there is a massive gap in skill because most VF players have been grinding this game on PS3 or 360 for 4 years now. I am fairly certain I can make most PC players quit the game or dodge me in ranked within a day or two because there is tons of cheesy abusable things in Final Showdown and I doubt they'll enjoy being humiliated by them over and over again for years..

The one upside is that many western VF players are still really bad at the game, so after about 2 years of grinding PC players could be equal or better than many of them. If they could really be dedicated to this game for 2 whole years when SF5, Tekken 7 and KOF14 are out that is (I personally wont be dedicated to FS like that any longer and have already dropped the game). I also believe the likelihood that PC players will want to play this game offline is almost ZERO, so that basically makes the release a non factor for me personally as online VF is really fraudulent given the supreme ease of executing massive damage combos and if even 1 frame is missing due to latency you go from getting a guaranteed 75 damage on your opponent to losing 100 damage to them because lag + EZ mode FS combos ruin the experience completely. This game doesn't have KOF or USF4 execution so bad players can win readily online whereas they are complete trash offline. A good example of online vs offline in FS even with a good player is my friend, who is quite good offline and use to play a lot online. He could really destroy me badly online with Goh, who he doesn't really use. We played offline last month and I completely blew his Goh up to a degree that had never happened to him online before and he is an offline tournament player and is very good with his main Pai and rock solid with his old main Jeff (but Jeff is trash tier in FS). He wasn't pleased with his Goh being clowned, but like I told him offline it's a non issue, just lag + Final Showdown makes the experience fraudulent trash and thus his Goh was demolished 3-0 offline and was too free to warrant any money match, which I originally had wanted to do before playing that match and seeing it was too free. His Pai beat my Sarah 5-2 offline tho!! Nobody wanted to play FS anymore at all even when there was cash to be made in offline matches. The game really isn't very good and is utterly dead outside of 20 or so players across the U.S. and Europe who still play it online.

The only upside to a PC release for VF5FS is that online warriors will have a very temporary influx of new players to play for a month or two until the game drops off again due to lack of competitive offline and no actual money or interest in the offline scene and no new game aka VF6. The online for VF5FS on PC should look even more bleak than KOF does in terms of an active player base after a few months. This is another reason nobody is really overjoyed with the idea of a PC release of an old game everyone is tired of. I mean I would buy the game and play you and some others, but there is no way i'd be playing FS over Tekken 7 or KOF14, SF5 seems terrible but i'll play that more than FS as well because it's new and the community support for SF games is amazing, whereas the community support for VF is beyond pathetic. Online only and casuals forever isn't what i'm interested in for VF, so while I would purchase a PC release because I support PC as a platform I will no longer be dedicated to the game unless offline money matches become a factor. There really are better games to play than this one and 4 years of FS is quite enough. Bring on KOF14, SF5, Tekken 7, and maybe one day a VF6.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 4, 2016 11:39:13 GMT -5 spliffybaz said:

VF5 Vanilla had no online they said it was impossible only to have the 360 version come out a year later with online. As for the possible PC release I can basically tell you how it will go if it happens and we will assume online. People will buy the game and there will be modestly large activity in ranked and rooms in the first month or so, but the skill gap between new PC players and all the current western VF players who have 4 years of experience in the system and know much of the frame data will be massive. Asian players have over 6 years with the game as they had it several years before it hit consoles in the west, so the skill gap is even higher with them given the longer playing time and the one time large offline scene which the west never had. You can only ever reach a certain level with purely online play in VF or any game and it will never be as high as constant offline play where there are no missing frames eaten away by latency. What always happens with VF is people say they want VF and want to play VF, but Final Showdown isn't really VF (much more like Tekken) and there is tons of bullshit in the game and now there is a massive gap in skill because most VF players have been grinding this game on PS3 or 360 for 4 years now. I am fairly certain I can make most PC players quit the game or dodge me in ranked within a day or two because there is tons of cheesy abusable things in Final Showdown and I doubt they'll enjoy being humiliated by them over and over again for years..

Yea the 2007 version didn't have netcode which was bad, but that still happened at the time and we've had old PC fighters with no online play.  Companies have been stepping it up in this regard since multiplayer games with no online are inexcusable.

That said the same thing will happen with any old fighter that's released on a new system. An influx of experienced players will jump on along with some new players.  I don't think it will be that bad.  Kof 2002. 98, and XIII came on here years later (and even over a decade for the old games) and people played it despite the gap. Of course people like you will beat 99% of the players but there are dedicated fans like me who have no other option to play it.  We'll be satisfied if they can do it and I'll just play people my own skill level and play you when I want some tips or something lol.

Jan 4, 2016 11:39:13 GMT -5 spliffybaz said:

The one upside is that many western VF players are still really bad at the game, so after about 2 years of grinding PC players could be equal or better than many of them. If they could really be dedicated to this game for 2 whole years when SF5, Tekken 7 and KOF14 are out that is (I personally wont be dedicated to FS like that any longer and have already dropped the game). I also believe the likelihood that PC players will want to play this game offline is almost ZERO, so that basically makes the release a non factor for me personally as online VF is really fraudulent given the supreme ease of executing massive damage combos and if even 1 frame is missing due to latency you go from getting a guaranteed 75 damage on your opponent to losing 100 damage to them because lag + EZ mode FS combos ruin the experience completely. This game doesn't have KOF or USF4 execution so bad players can win readily online whereas they are complete trash offline. A good example of online vs offline in FS even with a good player is my friend, who is quite good offline and use to play a lot online. He could really destroy me badly online with Goh, who he doesn't really use. We played offline last month and I completely blew his Goh up to a degree that had never happened to him online before and he is an offline tournament player and is very good with his main Pai and rock solid with his old main Jeff (but Jeff is trash tier in FS). He wasn't pleased with his Goh being clowned, but like I told him offline it's a non issue, just lag + Final Showdown makes the experience fraudulent trash and thus his Goh was demolished 3-0 offline and was too free to warrant any money match, which I originally had wanted to do before playing that match and seeing it was too free. His Pai beat my Sarah 5-2 offline tho!! Nobody wanted to play FS anymore at all even when there was cash to be made in offline matches. The game really isn't very good and is utterly dead outside of 20 or so players across the U.S. and Europe who still play it online.

Online fighters all have issues when they lag, but we have other small fanbase games on PC.  Kof games, Guilty Gear, Blazblue, and Skullgirls are on the PC and are solid.  Since PC's don't discontinue  you might have a popular place for VF play... relatively.  It won't be SF, MK, or Smash but it'll have its place.

Jan 4, 2016 11:39:13 GMT -5 spliffybaz said:

The only upside to a PC release for VF5FS is that online warriors will have a very temporary influx of new players to play for a month or two until the game drops off again due to lack of competitive offline and no actual money or interest in the offline scene and no new game aka VF6. The online for VF5FS on PC should look even more bleak than KOF does in terms of an active player base after a few months. This is another reason nobody is really overjoyed with the idea of a PC release of an old game everyone is tired of. I mean I would buy the game and play you and some others, but there is no way i'd be playing FS over Tekken 7 or KOF14, SF5 seems terrible but i'll play that more than FS as well because it's new and the community support for SF games is amazing, whereas the community support for VF is beyond pathetic. Online only and casuals forever isn't what i'm interested in for VF, so while I would purchase a PC release because I support PC as a platform I will no longer be dedicated much time if any to the game, unless offline money matches become a factor. There really are better games to play than this one.

Well all games have their influx of new players that drop off after a while.  Most players (like 99%) are not competitive and have no interest in going to a "scene".  Especially for a game like this where the fanbase is small and most areas don't have scenes. This is why online is important and that's why crappy online really hurt Kof XIII on the console.  There were hardcore players but people like me aren't driving 2+ hours just to play someone in person. I'm also not trying to "go pro" or money match people for $30 or anything like that. I just want to relax in between my other activities or endeavors.

Keep in mind the only other 3d fighter we have on here is DoA and that game is fun but it is only decent online at best.  This will scratch that itch until we get a Tekken or Soul Calibur down the line.  I play everything just about so I don't mind.  VF players are hardcore and you'll have that small base that will play it on here assuming it has online.


If they release VF6 on PC that would be excellent too.  I'm not saying they should forget about VF6, but if VF5 comes out I'll be a happy man and I'm sure some others would.

The super hardcore offline players will still do your thing regardless so it satisfies us online warriors and more importantly PC gamers who have no other choice atm.

[spliffybaz]

The issue with FS is the offline players all dodge money matches and actually don't do what you suggest, it's just casuals or over priced entry fee tournies with a $50 payout for 1st place, that require $1,000 worth of travel expenses to attend... A new Canadian 2D player offered Tricky an offline MM in Vf recently and it was of coarse dodged. My friends and I are the only ones in Europe or America that actually ran a few money matches for fun and in good spirit in the last several years of VF. So unfortunately no there wont be a hardcore offline scene for this game and like I said I do support PC releases so I would buy this game, but both me on the daily when I played, or even if I turn the game on right now (nobody will be online playing it though), and my friend get dodged online non stop in ranked. The few players that want games from me or him are trash still after 4 years and aren't worth playing to be perfectly honest with you and the online warriors are just dodgers. PC will bring in more players but most will be dodgers just like they are on consoles and there will never be solid offline for this game. The western VF community isn't about competitive play or getting better it's just forever casuals in a bad, boring, old game. Sure it's more fundamentally sound and better than Tekken Tag 2 or DOA5, but a VF6 needs to happen. VF5FS is a 6 year old game and SEGA needs to do better than just porting old games to PC, where is VF5R on PC, we'd be more excited for that game over FS, they still have never released VF5R. But yes a PC release would be ok for the few online warriors that want to grind this game until Tekken 7 comes out I suppose, but Tekken 7 is more likely to hit PS4 and or X1/PC long before VF5FS ever hits PC.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

All the more reason to have it online if a large part of the community are just dodgers. Those people are lame but represent a small percentage of the gamer population. Most are just your typical Joe Blow players who aren't part of the hardcore or even the "fake" hardcore community. They probably don't even know that VFDC exists.

The game is old so I'm sure there's nobody online. When I had it on PS3 I damn sure couldn't find anybody. Which is why I wouldn't mind seeing and updated release.

Now would I like a new game? Sure. Keep in mind though they may need money from these PC releases to fund new projects. SNK specifically said the reason they're able to stop doing pachinko machines and go back to being a gaming company was because of the money they made from PC sales. I personally would like a VF collection on PC and a new VF if all goes well.

It's not just for the online warriors, there is literally no PC option for VF except for VF2 which was designed for like Windows 95. I'd rather have more options than fewer. Hoping Tekken shows up but there's still no confirmation and hopefully we get a new Soul Calibur and even a SC collection and we'd be all set.

Tekken 7 is already being console made so I have no doubt it will be there first outside of a miracle.

[spliffybaz]

SEGA is really dishonorable I don't have any faith in them, a PC release of any Vf seems like an impossibility to me, but it'd be nice if they did it. Good enws on SNK that means the timed exclusive KOF14 will be on PC, one less reason to snag a PS4!

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

How did they dishonor you?

I agree that the fewer reasons to buy a console the better. Master Race!

[spliffybaz]

No FT, no VF5R, no support for VF5FS, no updates to the netcode or game, no VF6, SEGA CD was abandoned not long after it's launch in the 90's, i can go on for days. I have been a sega player for a long time and they aren't an honorable company and never support their products, they haven't fully supported any of their products since Sega Genesis.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

All companies want to make money so I don't think it's about anything other than that. I was big into Sega back in the 90's and they shot themselves in the foot with a lot of their bad business decisions. I think the lack of constant updates to VF5 have to do with it being financially unfeasable especially on consoles as they have high costs and VF has a small base. This stuff is much cheaper and easier to do on the PC.

[WarMachineRhodey]

Jan 4, 2016 13:37:16 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

All companies want to make money so I don't think it's about anything other than that. I was big into Sega back in the 90's and they shot themselves in the foot with a lot of their bad business decisions. I think the lack of constant updates to VF5 have to do with it being financially unfeasable especially on consoles as they have high costs and VF has a small base. This stuff is much cheaper and easier to do on the PC.

Sony and Microsoft during the ps3 and xbox 360 era used to charge about 40k for developers to release patches for their games www.technobuffalo.com/2012/02/15/it-costs-40000-to-patch-a-game-on-home-consoles/ . That would most certainly kill post release support for most non AAA titles on consoles.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 4, 2016 15:20:44 GMT -5 WarMachineRhodey said:

Jan 4, 2016 13:37:16 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

All companies want to make money so I don't think it's about anything other than that. I was big into Sega back in the 90's and they shot themselves in the foot with a lot of their bad business decisions. I think the lack of constant updates to VF5 have to do with it being financially unfeasable especially on consoles as they have high costs and VF has a small base. This stuff is much cheaper and easier to do on the PC.

Sony and Microsoft during the ps3 and xbox 360 era used to charge about 40k for developers to release patches for their games www.technobuffalo.com/2012/02/15/it-costs-40000-to-patch-a-game-on-home-consoles/ . That would most certainly kill post release support for most non AAA titles on consoles.

You're exactly right. From what I understand the first was free and the rest cost that much. Small developers can't afford it which is why indies are popular on PC. Not to mention why bother updating a small game with a super niche base? Not financially prudent.