Myriad Colors Phantom World and Fanservice

[MGNoxa]

I've watched the first two episodes of this and it annoyed me. (Anime is great and worth a watch)

So the fanservice in the first episode was purely comedic and over the top, there was a uniformity to it.

You had one of my favourite jokes which made me laugh out loud when Haruhiko tries to stop Reina from falling but realises he's going to accidentally grab her boobs so he turns himself around so she will land on his back but his little pal Ruru grabs the girl and flips her over to save her and she ends up landing right in front of his face giving him the perfect view of her ass.



This was hilarious, it's gotta be one of the funniest moments in Anime for me. It made fun of an overused joke in Anime and Anime games like "dating sims" and one upped it creating something truly unique.

Then you have the Limbo scene in Episode 1 which is pure genius.



This was amazing. Again more fanservice comedy, Mai was sexy, badass and the visual comedy was spot on.

Then you have all the scenes in Episode 1 where Mai feels herself up to use her magic, they don't need to explain this because the end result is something badass and it's so bizarre it just fits into this odd world.



So I really liked the first episode and the fanservice was awesome because it wasn't just there for sex appeal, it's main purpose was comedy which is hard with fanservice, it's hard to make it funny because a lot of the time it's lets look at sexy girls and that's fine I love looking at sexy girls but this is where my problem with the fanservice in episode 2 starts.

You see Episode 1 set this expectation of comedy fanservice and it was some of the funniest I've ever seen, so to see episode 2 become like every other anime and the fanservice just be there for us to stare at sexy girls... It was disappointing.



The fanservice in episode 2 was just sexy girls, I don't want to complain about this because I like sexy girls, I love anime fanservice but I feel I have to complain about it because I'm annoyed. I'm annoyed because it should've been better, there was nothing even remotely on the same level and they just shoehorned in regular fanservice. That's not fanservice it's lazy.

I've mentioned this before but this is an example of when fanservice can get in the way, there's many places in episode 2 where Mai is the focus and it's meant to be sexy but just throwing in fanservice really watered down the experience and sort of undid the brilliance of the first episode.

I hope they can bring it back with the third episode. I didn't hate the second episode it was still entertaining and don't get me wrong watching Mai stretch in all those positions was entertaining, I just want the fanservice comedy to matter and if they just keep throwing in random fanservice it won't be funny anymore. This isn't High School of the Dead where the humour comes from how ridiculous it gets, this has the chance to be something unique and I hope the third episode rectifies that.

New Waifu?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Give it some time and see how it turns out lol. Only two episodes.

[MGNoxa]

Jan 16, 2016 6:08:11 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Give it some time and see how it turns out lol. Only two episodes.

It's a good show I'm just annoyed that they had some truly brilliant stuff in the first episode and to swap it out for watching Mai stretch or a UFO take pics of the girls in towels. It conflicted with what they established.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 16, 2016 19:59:35 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

Jan 16, 2016 6:08:11 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Give it some time and see how it turns out lol. Only two episodes.

It's a good show I'm just annoyed that they had some truly brilliant stuff in the first episode and to swap it out for watching Mai stretch or a UFO take pics of the girls in towels. It conflicted with what they established.

Many shows go from beach episodes to weird stuff and back to something else. It's nothing unusual.

[MGNoxa]

Jan 16, 2016 23:29:05 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Jan 16, 2016 19:59:35 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

It's a good show I'm just annoyed that they had some truly brilliant stuff in the first episode and to swap it out for watching Mai stretch or a UFO take pics of the girls in towels. It conflicted with what they established.

Many shows go from beach episodes to weird stuff and back to something else. It's nothing unusual.

Yeah but usually the beach/fanservice is in the middle of the series this was the second episode.

The fact there was fanservice isn't my problem, the whole gym stretching scene and UFO pervy photos could've been in it, it's just the first episode came up with really funny stuff like the limbo scene and there was nothing like that in the second episode, it was absent. They didn't try with the second episode and just went "Lets have Mai stretch in a bunch of sexy positions."

I still really enjoyed it, it's just really annoyed me that they swapped the comedic fanservice for just normal anime fanservice.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 16, 2016 23:39:22 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

Jan 16, 2016 23:29:05 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Many shows go from beach episodes to weird stuff and back to something else. It's nothing unusual.

Yeah but usually the beach/fanservice is in the middle of the series this was the second episode.

The fact there was fanservice isn't my problem, the whole gym stretching scene and UFO pervy photos could've been in it, it's just the first episode came up with really funny stuff like the limbo scene and there was nothing like that in the second episode, it was absent. They didn't try with the second episode and just went "Lets have Mai stretch in a bunch of sexy positions."

I still really enjoyed it, it's just really annoyed me that they swapped the comedic fanservice for just normal anime fanservice.

Yea, but if you're going to make an episode to remember it very well be the first.

I think you're overlooking it too much. Many other shows have episodes that are different in tone than the next.

[MGNoxa]

Jan 16, 2016 23:48:33 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

I think you're overlooking it too much. Many other shows have episodes that are different in tone than the next.

Have you watched the second episode yet? Just wondering because it'll make discussing it easier.

The second episode is very similar to the first it's just the fanservice in the first was some of funniest things I've ever seen. Then in the second episode the fanservice was just "Watch sexy girls." Nothing wrong with the latter version of fanservice, I'm just worried that the creators thought it was good enough. In series there's always episodes that aren't as good as the rest or have stuff that lacks when compared to other episodes so there's a good chance future episodes will pick it back up.

It's just annoyed me that they didn't even attempt to do something with it, if they attempted it and missed the mark then it would've been no different than a joke not landing but to have no attempts... it got to me.

I'm blowing this out of proportion, but man... if it wasn't for how good the first episode was I wouldn't be this annoyed. The Limbo scene man! That was genius!

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 16, 2016 23:55:30 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

Jan 16, 2016 23:48:33 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

I think you're overlooking it too much. Many other shows have episodes that are different in tone than the next.

Have you watched the second episode yet? Just wondering because it'll make discussing it easier.

The second episode is very similar to the first it's just the fanservice in the first was some of funniest things I've ever seen. Then in the second episode the fanservice was just "Watch sexy girls." Nothing wrong with the latter version of fanservice, I'm just worried that the creators thought it was good enough. In series there's always episodes that aren't as good as the rest or have stuff that lacks when compared to other episodes so there's a good chance future episodes will pick it back up.

It's just annoyed me that they didn't even attempt to do something with it, if they attempted it and missed the mark then it would've been no different than a joke not landing but to have no attempts... it got to me.

I'm blowing this out of proportion, but man... if it wasn't for how good the first episode was I wouldn't be this annoyed. The Limbo scene man! That was genius!

Every episode won't do that. I'm also concerned about the plot as well. Don't want it to be the same old harem stuff. My point is you should watch more episodes to get a feel. Two isn't enough. I don't mind fanservice but it's not the end all and be all for me. You definitely care about it much more than I do. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[MGNoxa]

Jan 17, 2016 0:27:15 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Every episode won't do that. I'm also concerned about the plot as well. Don't want it to be the same old harem stuff. My point is you should watch more episodes to get a feel. Two isn't enough. I don't mind fanservice but it's not the end all and be all for me. You definitely care about it much more than I do. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I only care because the Limbo scene impressed me so much... I find a lot of boob jokes in anime don't make me laugh, there just there for me to say "Boobs" every time they ridiculously bounce, it's entertaining but that's all it is, just jiggling or cleavage or stuff, something to stare at. Then Myriad Colors Phantom World shows up and I'm laughing out loud, the comedy is on point, there's stuff that I've never seen before and they even make fun of the dumb accidental anime boob grab. It was perfect.

I want to watch Mai be sexy but not at the sacrifice of another scene like the limbo dance.

The only Harem anime I've watched is High School of the Dead so I can't really comment on the Harem stuff in anime but this isn't annoying me the same way HotD did. As for the plot i'm worried about Haruhiko's character, he's really useless they even acknowledge that at the end of the first episode and the second episode doesn't even change much because Reina is still eating them all and Mai is beating them up.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 17, 2016 0:43:36 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

Jan 17, 2016 0:27:15 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Every episode won't do that. I'm also concerned about the plot as well. Don't want it to be the same old harem stuff. My point is you should watch more episodes to get a feel. Two isn't enough. I don't mind fanservice but it's not the end all and be all for me. You definitely care about it much more than I do. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I only care because the Limbo scene impressed me so much... I find a lot of boob jokes in anime don't make me laugh, there just there for me to say "Boobs" every time they ridiculously bounce, it's entertaining but that's all it is, just jiggling or cleavage or stuff, something to stare at. Then Myriad Colors Phantom World shows up and I'm laughing out loud, the comedy is on point, there's stuff that I've never seen before and they even make fun of the dumb accidental anime boob grab. It was perfect.

I want to watch Mai be sexy but not at the sacrifice of another scene like the limbo dance.

The only Harem anime I've watched is High School of the Dead so I can't really comment on the Harem stuff in anime but this isn't annoying me the same way HotD did. As for the plot i'm worried about Haruhiko's character, he's really useless they even acknowledge that at the end of the first episode and the second episode doesn't even change much because Reina is still eating them all and Mai is beating them up.

That's how many harem shows are. Rosario+Vampire had a stronger male lead later on though.

Many shows put their best stuff up front. I wouldn't expect every episode to compete with one of the best scenes. You'll just have to see if the show works for you. It's very important to you though. You definitely talk about it enough for me to know that.

Some shows do it better than others, but I'll give anything a try.

Just watched the episode. Don't think it's worse than the first. The plot still moved and the UFO scene was funny. I guess you prefer the first. That limbo scene will be what most people are talking about.

[MGNoxa]

Jan 17, 2016 0:50:16 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Just watched the episode. Don't think it's worse than the first. The plot still moved and the UFO scene was funny. I guess you prefer the first. That limbo scene will be what most people are talking about.

The UFO scene was just alright, it was the dog that I thought was the funniest part, I was just disappointed because the fanservice in the UFO scene was typical anime stuff, like I said before nothing wrong with typical fanservice I like it, but this is why it annoyed me so much. The first episode put it's own spin on the anime boob grab trope, well pervy pictures and upskirt shots are another trope so this should've been the anime's time to shine and do it's own thing but it didn't it was just a UFO taking pervy pictures with the girls getting annoyed at the guy because he saw them in a revealing position.

When Haruhiko saw up Reina's skirt in the first episode what led to that moment is what made it so funny, so for him to just land in between her legs off camera and then get kicked out of window... missed opportunity.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 17, 2016 1:17:52 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

Jan 17, 2016 0:50:16 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Just watched the episode. Don't think it's worse than the first. The plot still moved and the UFO scene was funny. I guess you prefer the first. That limbo scene will be what most people are talking about.

The UFO scene was just alright, it was the dog that I thought was the funniest part, I was just disappointed because the fanservice in the UFO scene was typical anime stuff, like I said before nothing wrong with typical fanservice I like it, but this is why it annoyed me so much. The first episode put it's own spin on the anime boob grab trope, well pervy pictures and upskirt shots are another trope so this should've been the anime's time to shine and do it's own thing but it didn't it was just a UFO taking pervy pictures with the girls getting annoyed at the guy because he saw them in a revealing position.

When Haruhiko saw up Reina's skirt in the first episode what led to that moment is what made it so funny, so for him to just land in between her legs off camera and then get kicked out of window... missed opportunity.

It was the comedy aspect that was funny. If I had any gripe it's due to the usual "female hits male" stuff.

Nothing about the episode was "bad" at all. If you prefer the first that's fine but I don't see how it made the second bad. You could argue the inconveniently bouncing boob stuff in the limbo scene has been done before. While I do think the first episode was more unique I don't think every one will be like the first.

[MGNoxa]

Jan 17, 2016 1:21:15 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

It was the comedy aspect that was funny. If I had any gripe it's due to the usual "female hits male" stuff.

Nothing about the episode was "bad" at all. If you prefer the first that's fine but I don't see how it made the second bad. You could argue the inconveniently bouncing boob stuff in the limbo scene has been done before. While I do think the first episode was more unique I don't think every one will be like the first.

Talking about the female hitting males part or rather Haruhiko hitting Ruru I saw some people, respectable people, not SJW's, not PC, just genuine anime lovers complain about Haruhiko's treatment of Ruru in the second episode, basically they said "Once or twice of him hitting her is fine, she feels no pain and she's kicking him and annoying him, but it gets to the point of abuse because he's no longer swatting her away, he's really laying into her over and over." that was the big complaint they had.

Do you think Haruhiko took it too far? Or do you think people are being sensitive because it's a little fairy girl? I will admit for me I kinda was like, "Okay you've hit her too much now, it's no longer funny."but it wasn't a major complaint of mine, probably not even something I would bring up if I didn't see others complaining.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 17, 2016 1:26:25 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

Jan 17, 2016 1:21:15 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

It was the comedy aspect that was funny. If I had any gripe it's due to the usual "female hits male" stuff.

Nothing about the episode was "bad" at all. If you prefer the first that's fine but I don't see how it made the second bad. You could argue the inconveniently bouncing boob stuff in the limbo scene has been done before. While I do think the first episode was more unique I don't think every one will be like the first.

Talking about the female hitting males part or rather Haruhiko hitting Ruru I saw some people, respectable people, not SJW's, not PC, just genuine anime lovers complain about Haruhiko's treatment of Ruru in the second episode, basically they said "Once or twice of him hitting her is fine, she feels no pain and she's kicking him and annoying him, but it gets to the point of abuse because he's no longer swatting her away, he's really laying into her over and over." that was the big complaint they had.

Do you think Haruhiko took it too far? Or do you think people are being sensitive because it's a little fairy girl? I will admit for me I kinda was like, "Okay you've hit her too much now, it's no longer funny."but it wasn't a major complaint of mine, probably not even something I would bring up if I didn't see others complaining.

I'm annoyed with the double standard. It's ok to hit guys even when they've done nothing wrong and it's played for laughs, but not the other way around. One thing that makes most of this harem stuff so annoying. They may not be PC like western stuff but it can be bad at times.

Guys complain about it one way but not the other and this episode just proves that point. My guess the only reason he was even allowed to that is because she's seen as some sort of Phantom creature.

[MGNoxa]

Jan 17, 2016 1:40:14 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

I'm annoyed with the double standard. It's ok to hit guys even when they've done nothing wrong and it's played for laughs, but not the other way around. One thing that makes most of this harem stuff so annoying. They may not be PC like western stuff but it can be bad at times.

The double standard is annoying but a man getting hit because he said something dumb is funnier than a little cheeky fairy girl getting hit for misbehaving. The biggest example of double standards though was in Buffy and Angel.

In the Angel spin off, he was trying to defend an innocent person from Buffy and Buffy tries to fight past Angel, so he grabs her arm and punches her, Buffy is way stronger than him and could easily beat him up in a fight but the show portrayed it as "Oh my god he hit a woman! He hit buffy! What a monster!" and I was like "He was protecting an innocent person and he had to punch someone who was stronger than him! Why is that bad!?"

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 17, 2016 1:45:47 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

Jan 17, 2016 1:40:14 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

I'm annoyed with the double standard. It's ok to hit guys even when they've done nothing wrong and it's played for laughs, but not the other way around. One thing that makes most of this harem stuff so annoying. They may not be PC like western stuff but it can be bad at times.

The double standard is annoying but a man getting hit because he said something dumb is funnier than a little cheeky fairy girl getting hit for misbehaving.

Well see that mindset is part of the problem. Why is ok for a man to be hit but not a female? You say you aren't PC but that was a PC statement.

He was hit and he didn't do anything wrong whatsoever. Which happens frequently in these types of series. I don't care either way but to say one is ok and the other isn't is a double standard.

How is that any different than "Male characters wearing little is ok, but female characters wearing little is sexism?"

Do you think it's unfair because in one scenario you happen to like scantily clad females?

Be careful what you wish for, eventually fighting games will be removed of female characters because "violence against women is wrong". Female leads in games will be next.

[MGNoxa]

Jan 17, 2016 1:48:58 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Well see that mindset is part of the problem. Why is ok for a man to be hit but not a female? You say you aren't PC but you say a lot of PC stuff.

He was hit and he didn't do anything wrong whatsoever. Which happens frequently in these types of series. I don't care either way but to say one is ok and the other isn't is a double standard.

How is that any different than "Male characters wearing little is ok, but female characters wearing little is sexism?"

Why is one double standard ok, but the other isn't because you happen to like scantily clad females?

Is it a double standard when my friend falls and I laugh because he hurt himself but when a friend who is a girl falls I don't laugh because she hurt herself? Girls are weaker and more frail on average so it's just male instinct to look out for them. It's not a double standard it's evolution.

We don't like to see women get hurt. It's just built into us. A man can punch another man and fight could break out but if a man were to punch a woman there's a good chance she's being sent to the floor.

I can do something stupid and someone can hit me in a playful but rough manner, I might bruised, I might even get hurt but it's something that gets laughed off. For women it's a bit different, not many were one of the guys, they can't take the hit and laugh about it and then you've got some that just aren't strong enough, then you've got biology that takes into account of the woman's need to be protected and the man's need to protect.

It's a double standard in terms of saying one is ok and the other isn't when it's the same thing but it's not a double standard because it's just the way things are. Men will happily get into a rough tumble with one another and laugh about it while bleeding on the floor, women will not. Obviously some men hate this and can't take a hit and some women enjoy it and want to get into the fights and want to fall out of trees or slip on ice without anyone caring.

The example I used from Buffy and Angel should be more than enough for you to see that I don't care about a man hitting a woman, it just depends on the circumstances. In a fight or defense a man should be able to hit a woman without feeling guilty, that's why it annoyed me in Angel because he punches Buffy and he's like "I'm so sorry!" and she's like "You hit me!" and them I'm like "You're stronger and you just tried to hit him!"

I love women in fight scenes that can take a beating and cause massive damage, one of my favourite fights in Agents of Shield is a Man fighting a Woman not at any point did I once think "Ooh he's hitting a lady!" if I was truly PC I would be saying the fight was terrible because it advocates violence against women or I could be sexist and say it was unrealistic because she wouldn't be able to fight him in real life. When it comes to comedy it's a bit different because women are more frail and there's no way around it, men are always going to want to protect the pretty girl.

A man accidentally hitting a woman can be funny if played right like Tucker and Dale vs Evil (funny movie) but a man hitting a woman on purpose even if she's a little invincible fairy isn't going to be funny to a lot of people. I was fine with it at first because she was doing stuff and all he was doing was shutting her up but it did get to the point where I was like "What are you achieving now? the moment has passed and all I'm watching is a man beat up a fairy." I didn't think it was a true negative in the show, it was something that I just questioned because it was overused and no longer funny but others shared my opinion in a more extreme way.

I'm not going to lie and say I would of questioned it if it was a little fairy man, I probably would've found it funnier. It's just evolution, we laugh at things we find funny and we laugh at men getting hurt because we know they aren't really hurt.

So I don't think it's as simple as calling this a double standard and comparing it to me liking scantily clad women. Every now and then you say I'm PC but my opinions on this are clearly not PC, they are far far removed from the land of PC.

EDIT - responding to your edit.

Fighting games are a different story, they are all of equal strength and fight to win. There's no comedy in it and they tend to be light hearted. Mortal Kombat has really gruesome deaths but watching Cassie get her face cut off doesn't make me wince because it's a woman, or watching her get punched in the groin... Fighting games don't deserve a place in this discussion. It's as stupid as saying the deaths in Tomb Raider 2013 are too graphic because it's a woman, well look at Dead Space and tell me how TR2013 is worse? It's not. The death scenes in MK, DS and TR are meant to be graphic and violent, if they make you feel uneasy, then good.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 17, 2016 2:35:09 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

Jan 17, 2016 1:48:58 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Well see that mindset is part of the problem. Why is ok for a man to be hit but not a female? You say you aren't PC but you say a lot of PC stuff.

He was hit and he didn't do anything wrong whatsoever. Which happens frequently in these types of series. I don't care either way but to say one is ok and the other isn't is a double standard.

How is that any different than "Male characters wearing little is ok, but female characters wearing little is sexism?"

Why is one double standard ok, but the other isn't because you happen to like scantily clad females?

Is it a double standard when my friend falls and I laugh because he hurt himself but when a friend who is a girl falls I don't laugh because she hurt herself? Girls are weaker and more frail on average so it's just male instinct to look out for them. It's not a double standard it's evolution.

We don't like to see women get hurt. It's just built into us. A man can punch another man and fight could break out but if a man were to punch a woman there's a good chance she's being sent to the floor.

I can do something stupid and someone can hit me in a playful but rough manner, I might bruised, I might even get hurt but it's something that gets laughed off. For women it's a bit different, not many were one of the guys, they can't take the hit and laugh about it and then you've got some that just aren't strong enough, then you've got biology that takes into account of the woman's need to be protected and the man's need to protect.

It's a double standard in terms of saying one is ok and the other isn't when it's the same thing but it's not a double standard because it's just the way things are. Men will happily get into a rough tumble with one another and laugh about it while bleeding on the floor, women will not. Obviously some men hate this and can't take a hit and some women enjoy it and want to get into the fights and want to fall out of trees or slip on ice without anyone caring.

The example I used from Buffy and Angel should be more than enough for you to see that I don't care about a man hitting a woman, it just depends on the circumstances. In a fight or defense a man should be able to hit a woman without feeling guilty, that's why it annoyed me in Angel because he punches Buffy and he's like "I'm so sorry!" and she's like "You hit me!" and them I'm like "You're stronger and you just tried to hit him!"

I love women in fight scenes that can take a beating and cause massive damage, one of my favourite fights in Agents of Shield is a Man fighting a Woman not at any point did I once think "Ooh he's hitting a lady!" if I was truly PC I would be saying the fight was terrible because it advocates violence against women or I could be sexist and say it was unrealistic because she wouldn't be able to fight him in real life. When it comes to comedy it's a bit different because women are more frail and there's no way around it, men are always going to want to protect the pretty girl.

A man accidentally hitting a woman can be funny if played right like Tucker and Dale vs Evil (funny movie) but a man hitting a woman on purpose even if she's a little invincible fairy isn't going to be funny to a lot of people. I was fine with it at first because she was doing stuff and all he was doing was shutting her up but it did get to the point where I was like "What are you achieving now? the moment has passed and all I'm watching is a man beat up a fairy." I didn't think it was a true negative in the show, it was something that I just questioned because it was overused and no longer funny but others shared my opinion in a more extreme way.

I'm not going to lie and say I would of questioned it if it was a little fairy man, I probably would've found it funnier. It's just evolution, we laugh at things we find funny and we laugh at men getting hurt because we know they aren't really hurt.

So I don't think it's as simple as calling this a double standard and comparing it to me liking scantily clad women. Every now and then you say I'm PC but my opinions on this are clearly not PC, they are far far removed from the land of PC.

EDIT - responding to your edit.

Fighting games are a different story, they are all of equal strength and fight to win. There's no comedy in it and they tend to be light hearted. Mortal Kombat has really gruesome deaths but watching Cassie get her face cut off doesn't make me wince because it's a woman, or watching her get punched in the groin... Fighting games don't deserve a place in this discussion. It's as stupid as saying the deaths in Tomb Raider 2013 are too graphic because it's a woman, well look at Dead Space and tell me how TR2013 is worse? It's not. The death scenes in MK, DS and TR are meant to be graphic and violent, if they make you feel uneasy, then good.

I'd say it is a double standard.  You can't have equality and then fall back on the "women are weaker therefore it's ok" argument.  It's sexist and promotes the unfair treatment against men that we get.

First some men are stronger than other men, is it ok for weaker men to hit stronger men?  So why is it ok for a woman to hit a man?  Why should a reasonable adult not have to keep her hands to herself but a man should?  If women are stupid and inferior creatures to you that's fine but they shouldn't have equal rights if that's the case.  No two people are equal and this idea that abusing men is somehow ok is simply disgusting and shouldn't be tolerated in society. Video games have you beat, kill, and murder countless men, but if it's a woman it's somehow different? You support one double standard but not another. When was female and male attraction equal?

I don't really care if society finds it funny.  I don't like double standards. I don't care if it's black against white.  I don't think black people should get special treatment just because they're black and I am black.  I'm consistent with my beliefs.  Society says it's ok for a black person to get away with certain things because they're black, then it's no different than a female.

A person tripping and falling isn't going to kill them in most cases so why is it funny if a man hurts himself?  Are you so male hating that you think it's ok for a man to lose at his expense but not a woman?  You find one funny but not the other? You think men don't need to protect even themselves from a female attacker when civilization is built on the backs of men?


I find your opinions to be very PC at times, you've said in other threads that women deserve special treatment in the gaming industry because they're women.  You've said many things to me that indicate you think women should have privileges that men do not even when it doesn't apply to men.  Women in our society get way more privileges then men do.  Especially in pussified countries like the US and the UK.  They get ridiculous divorce settlements, child settlements, they're not conscripted to the military, and receive way more aid than men do.  Why do women get all of this breast cancer support but men don't get support for prostate cancer?  It's because people have the opinion that you do that men are worth less and that women are privileged beings.

Women are just as aggressive as men are if not more.  This idea that they are helpless beings that need your protection is just nonsense in a modern society where we already have a functioning police.  This is just white knight mangina talk.  Domestic violence is mostly instigated by women yet the laws are unfair against men.

Speaking of weaker, women kill more children than men.  Is that ok?  Children are smaller and weaker than women.  You think that men should die for women and give up their lives, you think that women should be able to make false rape claims and get away with it because they're weaker?  This is the kind of stuff that I don't like to hear especially when you talk about social injustice in other areas.

It is the same thing.  You like scantily clad women so you're more than welcome to fight for things that you see as "sexist" when it applies to women, but you have no problem with male characters being portrayed as emasculated and useless for our entertainment?  Nor do you have a problem with characters being portrayed like Homer Simpson who is a complete imbecile while the female characters are perfect?

You can feel the way you want but "women are weaker but equal and deserve special treatment" is nonsense.  These are fictional characters and nobody's being hurt and it's slapstick anyways so it's all comedy.  Why is a woman being harmlessly slapped worse than a man being hit when he's done nothing wrong.

It's because our society is full of mangina, beta male white knight men who are self hating.  Our country is as anti-male as ever.

[MGNoxa]

Jan 17, 2016 3:06:05 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

I'd say it is a double standard.  You can't have equality and then fall back on the "women are weaker therefore it's ok" argument.  It's sexist and promotes the unfair treatment against men that we get.

It's not a double standard if we naturally want to protect women? It's in our genes, evolution has trained us to protect those weaker than ourselves. When we become Fathers our instincts change from self preservation to family preservation. Our children and loved ones become what we protect. Evolution trained us to protect the weaker. Even women have this instinct, they want to protect loved ones and children.

To say that women are generally weaker is not sexist because it's a fact, to say that men should be careful when being physical with a woman isn't sexist or unfair, because I'm bigger and stronger than the average woman so if I decided to shove one the same strength I would shove a friend... There's a good chance she's going to get really hurt.

Does it suck that sometimes women get special treatment because of this perception? Yes. It does. I'm not saying women should get special treatment, I'm just simply explaining why men and women could feel awkward when watching a female character get beaten up for comedy.

First some men are stronger than other men, is it ok for weaker men to hit stronger men?  So why is it ok for a woman to hit a man?  Why should a reasonable adult not have to keep her hands to herself but a man should?  If women are stupid and inferior creatures to you that's fine but they shouldn't have equal rights if that's the case.  No two people are equal and this idea that abusing men is somehow ok is simply disgusting and shouldn't be tolerated in society.

Yes some men are weaker is it ok to hit them? Or vice versa? As I said even weak men share evolutionary traits, they want to run around and get hurt, they laugh when they get hurt they laugh when others get hurt. We all have testosterone.

Why is it ok for a woman to hit a man? The same reason it's okay to hit men, play, funny and self defence. Why can't a man hit a woman? Well he can but if it's for play then you gotta make sure you don't go in too strong unless she can take it, obviously in terms of self defence men can hit women, there's no question about it.

I never said women are "inferior and stupid" I simply said the average woman is weaker than the average man. Women should have equal rights because they are human it doesn't matter if they are weaker or stupid. I never said that abusing men is ok, there's a difference between a woman attacking a man and a woman playfully shoving or slapping him.

I don't really care if society finds it funny.  I don't like double standards. I don't care if it's black against white.  I don't think black people should get special treatment just because they're black and I am black.  I'm consistent with my beliefs.  Society says it's ok for a black person to get away with certain things because they're black, then it's no different than a female.

A person tripping and falling isn't going to kill them in most cases so why is it funny if a man hurts himself?  Are you so male hating that you think it's ok for a man to lose at his expense but not a woman?  You find one funny but not the other.  You think men don't need to protect even themselves from a female attacker when civilization is built on the backs of men?

Society finds mens pain funny because it's funny. It can't be explained other than it makes us laugh, the only time we don't find it funny is when it's a serious injury. It's not double standards, Men tend to be able to take more pain and also tend to be harder to break, therefore a man falling over is funny and a woman falling over isn't immediately funny. It's a part of our need to protect, the same way some women (this has happened to me) get pissed when you laugh when they hurt themselves, they want you to check if they're ok. It's not double standards because it's evolution, it's how we've survived for hundreds of thousands of years.

Obviously in the court of law gender should have no place. A female criminal is the same as a male criminal and a male victim is the same as a female victim. It sucks that women are treated with favour by the police and government. I don't agree with this and you know I don't.

I'm not male hating, you're just throwing blind accusations around and of course men need to protect themselves from female attackers, they have the right to defend themselves as far as they need to. A woman with a knife is no different than a man with a knife and anyone that thinks any differently is wrong.

I find your opinions to be very PC at times, you've said in other threads that women deserve special treatment in the gaming industry because they're women.  You've said many things to me that indicate you think women should have privileges that men do not even when it doesn't apply to men.  Women in our society get way more privileges then men do.  Especially in pussified countries like the US and the UK.  They get ridiculous divorce settlements, child settlements, they're not conscripted to the military, and receive way more aid than men do.  Why do women get all of this breast cancer support but men don't get support for prostate cancer.  It's because people have the opinion that you do that men are worth less and that women are privileged beings.

Yes I have said women need special treatment in games but not the extent you make it sound. I just simply said sometimes women can have a hard time getting heard. There's no better example than SJW's most are male and the only women that get heard are SJW women, the women that disagree? They are largely ignored. I don't think they deserve any sort of reward for anything, I just think they should be heard, that doesn't mean anything needs to be done about what gets said. Video Games are a business and spending money on a small percentage of people is bad business, especially if it damages anything the rest of the fanbase likes.

Women are just as aggressive as men are if not more.  This idea that they are helpless beings that need your protection is just nonsense in a modern society where we already have a functioning police.  This is just white knight mangina talk.  Domestic violence is mostly instigated by women yet the laws are unfair against men.

Speaking of weaker, women kill more children than men.  Is that ok?  Children are smaller and weaker than women.  You think that men should die for women and give up their lives, you think that women should be able to make false rape claims and get away with it because they're weaker?  This is the kind of stuff that I don't like to hear especially when you talk about social injustice in other areas.

I don't want to get involved in this, if I did I would respond to the threads you set up on similar topics. Just in case you're wondering I agree with everything you said.

It is the same thing.  You like scantily clad women so you're more than welcome to fight for things that you see as "sexist" when it applies to women, but you have no problem with male characters being portrayed as emasculated and useless for our entertainment?  Nor do you have a problem with characters being portrayed like Homer Simpson who is a complete imbecile while the female characters are perfect?

I have no problem with the way male characters are portrayed because there's no problem to be had. I have no problem with the way female characters are portrayed because there's no problem to be had. In the Suicide Squad movie Harley Quinn is going to get beaten up and electrocuted by The Joker I have no problems with this.

The only problem I have with the portrayal of women is that so many are perfect. It's getting boring and I want a change.

I like scantily clad women because I like hot women, I like sexy women. It's not double standards on my end because I'm ultimately protecting artistic freedom. The same way I'm not saying Haruhiko shouldn't hit Ruru I'm simply questioning why it lasted for as long as it did because it stopped being a joke. Was this the writers not realising they overused the joke? Was this supposed to show that Haruhiko is a dick? Is there any meaning to it?

I'm not saying it shouldn't be in the anime, I just asked you what your thoughts were on it because other people also questioned it but they questioned it because it made them uncomfortable, I then explained why it makes people uncomfortable and why men are more likely to laugh at men getting hurt and be annoyed at women getting hurt.

You can feel the way you want but "women are weaker but equal and deserve special treatment" is nonsense.  These are fictional characters and nobody's being hurt and it's slapstick anyways so it's all comedy.  Why is a woman being harmlessly slapped worse than a man being hit when he's done nothing wrong.

I never said they deserve special treatment the way you are implying.

I know these are fictional characters I explain up above (two paragraphs up) why I questioned it.

It's because our society is full of mangina, beta male white knight men who are self hating.  Our country is as anti-male as ever.

I can't deny that our society is full of this bullshit right now, it's sickening and really annoys me.

[JACK-2]

Jan 16, 2016 23:29:05 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Many shows go from beach episodes to weird stuff and back to something else. It's nothing unusual.

Anime shows tend to change quality alot. You might start a sow and not end up with the same show.

Edit: I just responded to this and the next thing I know there's a multi-post debate going on lol.

[MGNoxa]

Jan 17, 2016 4:09:26 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Anime shows tend to change quality alot. You might start a sow and not end up with the same show.

Edit: I just responded to this and the next thing I know there's a multi-post debate going on lol.

Have you seen any of Myriad Colors Phantom World? That Limbo Scene was pretty badass right?

[JACK-2]

It's pretty good scene. No, I haven't seen it. Barely watch anime these days.

[MGNoxa]

Jan 17, 2016 4:56:17 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

It's pretty good scene. No, I haven't seen it. Barely watch anime these days.

I don't usually watch anime weekly but I'm heavily considering watching Myriad Colors weekly.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

I understand you're not being "mean" or anything, and don't take this as me bashing you. I'm just calling them as I see them to keep people honest.
It's a double standard and it's hypocritcal.

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www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/double-standard

noun
1. a set of principles that allows greater freedom to one person or group than to another
Translations for 'double standard'
• British English: double standard If you accuse a person or institution of applying double standards in their treatment of different groups of people, you mean that they unfairly allow more freedom of behaviour to one group than to another. NOUNShe accused the local police of operating double standards.

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Hypocritical:
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisy

• " Synonyms
• Examples
• Word Origin
noun, plural hypocrisies.
1.
a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs orprinciples, etc., that one does not really possess.
2.
a pretense of having some desirable or publicly approved attitude.
3.
an act or instance of hypocrisy.

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Jan 17, 2016 4:07:39 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

It's not a double standard if we naturally want to protect women? It's in our genes, evolution has trained us to protect those weaker than ourselves. When we become Fathers our instincts change from self preservation to family preservation. Our children and loved ones become what we protect. Evolution trained us to protect the weaker. Even women have this instinct, they want to protect loved ones and children.

Sure it is. You're just making an excuse for supporting a double standard because it falls into line with your behavior. Prove that this is some evolutionary trait. People have an evolutionary trait to survive, people have an evolutionary trait to protect their own kids. Where is it evolutionary for women to hit men and get away with it or for men to be expendable? It's nonsense.
People have lived in civilized societies for thousands of years and they're to protect the interests of everyone in them. You could argue that it's logical to look out for your community (to some extent) but to say that men should be expendable to women is silly. What makes you think men haven't evolved to care about other men but to care about women? It' s nonsense. Especially in the past where men were able to hit women and get away with it and had far less rights. A woman who cheated was stoned to death in the past. What about that?

This nonsense about it's ok for women to hit men is nothing but bs that pussified men have been brainwashed with in our culture. Other cultures in our world today have men hitting women and even executing women if they sleep around and many cultures in the past were like that so don't bring up evolution. This modern day "women get special privileges" is not evolutionary at all because women weren't seen as equal to men and they still aren't in ability.
You don't get to have your own cake and eat it too.
People have also evolved to survive by any means necessary including stealing and murder but that isn't ok. If a person is poorer do they have a right to steal because they are looking out for their own interests? Did you like when people stole from you? Maybe they were looking out for their own evolutionary advantage.
By the way monogamy is not evolutionary and catering to the weak is not evolutionary yet our society does this all the time with benefits to losers who can't compete.

This stuff is trained to us. It has nothing to do with evolution. If we protect the weak that includes weaker men so no hitting them.

Jan 17, 2016 4:07:39 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

To say that women are generally weaker is not sexist because it's a fact, to say that men should be careful when being physical with a woman isn't sexist or unfair, because I'm bigger and stronger than the average woman so if I decided to shove one the same strength I would shove a friend... There's a good chance she's going to get really hurt.

What the hell? No two people are equal and I'm stronger than the vast majority of people, so how is it ok to be physical with one and not the other? Who's talking about violence anyways? It's illegal and it should be punished. You can do whatever you want to do but it's a double standard. I don't care what's generally true as we're talking about individuals. No two people are equally strong.
How is a woman getting hurt on their own less funny than a man anyways if a man had nothing to do with it? If I slap a woman she won't die anymore than if I slap a man, so why is one funny and the other not? Even if the man is weaker than I am?
The truth is you feel that a man's life is worth less than a woman's which is where all of this stems from.
Both parties should be careful if they are physical but if a woman hits me I have the right to hit her back, period.

Jan 17, 2016 4:07:39 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

Does it suck that sometimes women get special treatment because of this perception? Yes. It does. I'm not saying women should get special treatment, I'm just simply explaining why men and women could feel awkward when watching a female character get beaten up for comedy.

SOMETIMES?
All the time, women get nothing but special treatment from men, including things paid for and above and beyond. Why do women deserve that if they're equal? You fail to recognize that this double standard is where they others come from. "A woman is weaker and can't look out for themselves so I need to be a white knight."

That argument is bs. First of all there MANY anime or manga type shows where the man is outright abused and has done nothing wrong. This is played for comedy.
Somehow a comedic situation where neither side is hurt is somehow different because it happens to the woman. It's absurd. Especially when the female characters in this series are STRONGER than the male characters, like pretty much every harem show from Love Hina to Rosario Vampire where the women often have super powers. So your argument goes against your own statement earlier.
You say it's ok if a woman can fend for themselves, but these women are capable of fighting better than the male characters.

I don't give a rats ass why people have double standards. It's still a double standard. People cringe when a white person says nigger but not when a black person uses a white slur. This has nothing to do with evolution, it has to do with brainwashing.

Jan 17, 2016 4:07:39 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

Yes some men are weaker is it ok to hit them? Or vice versa? As I said even weak men share evolutionary traits, they want to run around and get hurt, they laugh when they get hurt they laugh when others get hurt. We all have testosterone.

So now you've gotten really sexist here. So because you have testosterone it's ok for a man to be abused but it's hands off for women?
Women are aggressive in their own ways as well. Your argument is full of double standards. I want to know why it's bad to hit a woman but not a weaker man and truth is you have no answer, just "they have more testosterone". Many women are loud and obnoxious and start fights knowing they can get away with it. My female cousin tried to fight me over the holidays. Black women are notorious for this. Women initiate more domestic violence than men but your argument is, "Men have testosterone so it's different".

Well women and men find different things attractive so when they complain about women being scantily clad you don't have a problem with that right?

Jan 17, 2016 4:07:39 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

Why is it ok for a woman to hit a man? The same reason it's okay to hit men, play, funny and self defence. Why can't a man hit a woman? Well he can but if it's for play then you gotta make sure you don't go in too strong unless she can take it, obviously in terms of self defence men can hit women, there's no question about it.

Baloney. A light hit on the arm or head isn't going to kill a woman no more than it's going to kill a man. I can goof off with male family members half my size but a woman who's my age and closer to my size is going to snap in half if we wrestle or I put them in a fun headlock?
You can have your own standards but I don't agree. Who are these women dying from playful contact? The same females who want women in the military even when they can't keep up?

Jan 17, 2016 4:07:39 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

I never said women are "inferior and stupid" I simply said the average woman is weaker than the average man. Women should have equal rights because they are human it doesn't matter if they are weaker or stupid. I never said that abusing men is ok, there's a difference between a woman attacking a man and a woman playfully shoving or slapping him.

You didn't say it but you're implying it. Otherwise what other reason do you think a person deserves special treatment? Are they infants?
If they deserve equal rights too then the issue is closed. Women have no more of a right to attack men than the other way around. Nor do they deserve "special protection".
Many of these shows have women attacking and abusing men and it's played for LAUGHS. Even male pain is played for laughs. Male character like Homer gets hurt and it's funny but if it happens to a female like marge it's bad.

Jan 17, 2016 4:07:39 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

Society finds mens pain funny because it's funny. It can't be explained other than it makes us laugh, the only time we don't find it funny is when it's a serious injury. It's not double standards, Men tend to be able to take more pain and also tend to be harder to break, therefore a man falling over is funny and a woman falling over isn't immediately funny. It's a part of our need to protect, the same way some women (this has happened to me) get pissed when you laugh when they hurt themselves, they want you to check if they're ok. It's not double standards because it's evolution, it's how we've survived for hundreds of thousands of years.

Baloney. Men get killed and seriously injured all of the time and it's funny. It's a male hating culture and nothing more. Women can joke about castrating men and that's funny but men can't joke about hitting women. Woman can kill their own children and that's ok but a man would get the death penalty. Women can sleep with underage boys and get next to no sentence whereas men get long prison sentences despite naturally being attracted to younger females?
It IS a double standard . Stop making excuses for it and calling it what it's not. You're holding women and men at different standards therefore it's a double standard. Period.
It has nothing to do with a "need to protect" (a fictional character) it has to do with sexism.
People get grossed out by real life deaths but find it entertaining to watch on television and movies. Is that evolution too?
You don't think men survived by protecting other men? Really? Who do you think built society? If the men died off the women would die off or get invaded because they damn sure can't keep it going. Who the hell invents and creates and builds everything? Women?
By the way a man is FAR more likely to be attacked and killed in society than a woman is so why no special protection for him while women get special rights? Sexism of course.
We have a police and military for a reason. It's to protect society, not just women. Saying men don't have to look after men is just not true.

Jan 17, 2016 4:07:39 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

Obviously in the court of law gender should have no place. A female criminal is the same as a male criminal and a male victim is the same as a female victim. It sucks that women are treated with favour by the police and government. I don't agree with this and you know I don't.

Really? How is one double standard ok? I'm trying to get you to understand that your point of view is why we have these laws in the first place. The same people wanting equality want special rights for women.
Why? Because they need more protection according to you. So that's why women are valued more. It's all due to people who think the way you do. Don't you understand this?

Jan 17, 2016 4:07:39 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

I'm not male hating, you're just throwing blind accusations around and of course men need to protect themselves from female attackers, they have the right to defend themselves as far as they need to. A woman with a knife is no different than a man with a knife and anyone that thinks any differently is wrong.

Sure you are. Indirectly. These aren't blind accusations. When you say a man should give a woman special treatment, what you are actually saying is that a woman's life is worth more than a man's life. Women already get special treatment and protection by men, women, and the law and men are victims of violent crime far more often so why in the hell should we advocate for this?
You're just not realizing how hypocritical you are. Nothing personal, but I'm just keeping you honest.

Jan 17, 2016 4:07:39 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

Yes I have said women need special treatment in games but not the extent you make it sound. I just simply said sometimes women can have a hard time getting heard. There's no better example than SJW's most are male and the only women that get heard are SJW women, the women that disagree? They are largely ignored. I don't think they deserve any sort of reward for anything, I just think they should be heard, that doesn't mean anything needs to be done about what gets said. Video Games are a business and spending money on a small percentage of people is bad business, especially if it damages anything the rest of the fanbase likes.

This is just a load of crap. Women are heard FAR more easily than men in all areas of life. Anita Sarkeesan on down. All they have to do is have a pair of breasts and a bunch of pussified white knight beta males are ready to cater to them in order to get laid. Just a woman saying she's a gamer is enough to get attention; men don't get that.
Why don't men deserve special treatment in all of the areas that are female dominated? Again you give me no answer.

Jan 17, 2016 4:07:39 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

I don't want to get involved in this, if I did I would respond to the threads you set up on similar topics. Just in case you're wondering I agree with everything you said.

Ok, so if you agree, stop giving women special treatment. You want to have it both ways which is why I'm criticizing you.

Jan 17, 2016 4:07:39 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

I have no problem with the way male characters are portrayed because there's no problem to be had. I have no problem with the way female characters are portrayed because there's no problem to be had. In the Suicide Squad movie Harley Quinn is going to get beaten up and electrocuted by The Joker I have no problems with this.

Really? So all of the stupid, useless male characters and pussified men we have in our entertainment is no problem to you? The commercials which portray men and boys as stupid and girls are superior isn't sexist to you? This garbage about women outperforming men in everything when the reverse is usually the case is no problem.
You don't see how Marge is treated differently than Homer? You have no problem with the pussified men who are regularly beaten up in anime, especially Harem type shows?
You say stuff like this and then you wonder why I criticize you.
You have no problem with it because Joker is portrayed as an evil, vicious psychopath. There's no way a male would get away with it otherwise and be seen as "decent", not even an anti-hero.  If a woman hits a man it's fair game.

Jan 17, 2016 4:07:39 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

The only problem I have with the portrayal of women is that so many are perfect. It's getting boring and I want a change.

Why do they have this portrayal? Because people like you want to give them special treatment or else people get offended.

Jan 17, 2016 4:07:39 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

I like scantily clad women because I like hot women, I like sexy women. It's not double standards on my end because I'm ultimately protecting artistic freedom. The same way I'm not saying Haruhiko shouldn't hit Ruru I'm simply questioning why it lasted for as long as it did because it stopped being a joke. Was this the writers not realising they overused the joke? Was this supposed to show that Haruhiko is a dick? Is there any meaning to it?

You don't think shows don't deliberately cut down on male/female violence or play up female/male violence because of how fans might react to it? Inuyasha had fans criticizing how Kagome treated him and THAT was played for laughs. Even if she was wrong she would tell him to "Sit!" and it was funny, when it really was abusive.
Now, I have no problem with abuse, comedy, or anything else in any show, what I have a problem with is the double standard. If people like you complain about the male getting hit when he did nothing wrong and then complain about a comedy scene, you're a hypocrite.
You pound the table about stuff when you like it. You like MKX costumes and didn't want to admit the characters caved in to making women more "realistic" while leaving men the same. By the way an attack used against MK in the 90's was that there was only one female and she was abused by men. They attacked Duke for this too when it wasn't true. This is the kind of behavior that will be back if this keeps up.
You have a double standard for female on male violence but you complain when SJW's want to cover up women and leave men the same?
Male and female attraction isn't the same and IS portrayed differently so is the fact that women want to cover other women up justified because women and men are evolved to like different things here too?
You're against that because you like hot sexy women but you have no problem with the double standards of male and female violence? It's hypocritical.
Is a female a bitch for hitting a man? Well maybe she is but it's played for laughs.

Jan 17, 2016 4:07:39 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

I'm not saying it shouldn't be in the anime, I just asked you what your thoughts were on it because other people also questioned it but they questioned it because it made them uncomfortable, I then explained why it makes people uncomfortable and why men are more likely to laugh at men getting hurt and be annoyed at women getting hurt.

I know why people have double standards I just don't agree with them, especially when men are abused by women far more in these shows and nobody bats an eyelid.

Jan 17, 2016 4:07:39 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

I never said they deserve special treatment the way you are implying.

Sure you are. You don't have to directly say it but all of these double standards come from your way of thinking, and based on the many posts you make here you do white knight for women. Sure you might not want one to stab you to death (who would admit that anyways) but you think they're delicate flowers who need men to do things for them.

Jan 17, 2016 4:07:39 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

I know these are fictional characters I explain up above (two paragraphs up) why I questioned it.

You questioned it because you don't mind men being abused but you have a problem when a man jokingly hits a female.

Jan 17, 2016 4:07:39 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

I can't deny that our society is full of this bullshit right now, it's sickening and really annoys me.

Because of people who think the way you do. I'm not saying you're being mean, but a double standard is a double standard. This false rape accusation, domestic violence law, pro female garbage we have to put up with is all stemming from men constantly white knighting to women and I'm tired of it.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 17, 2016 4:09:26 GMT -5 JACK-2 said:

Jan 16, 2016 23:29:05 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Many shows go from beach episodes to weird stuff and back to something else. It's nothing unusual.

Anime shows tend to change quality alot. You might start a sow and not end up with the same show.

Edit: I just responded to this and the next thing I know there's a multi-post debate going on lol.

That's what I was getting at. Things change a lot, especially in long runners.

[MGNoxa]

The Big Daddy C-Master there's too much to quote and sift through. You don't understand what I'm saying because you keep saying things that I haven't said. You're looking too deep into what I'm saying and assuming a lot of stuff that I haven't even talked about. Accuse me of being certain things that I'm not based on assumptions and you keep saying you're not being mean but you keep accusing me of double standards and hypocrisy. Several days ago I could understand why you were harping on at me for MKX, I don't believe I was applying any sort of double standards there but I could see where you were coming from.

With this I think you're getting angry over stuff that I haven't said and the accusations are just really annoying me because they aren't true and when I give my reasons you're just coming back with the same stuff. I know your opinions on this subject matter, we agree on pretty much everything, we agree on this but it feels like you're taking me to war because I said you have to be careful with your strength around women, I understand why some might not like Haruhiko and Ruru's relationship and because I said sometimes women need help getting their voices heard in male dominated areas.

I don't want to have this discussion if it's just going to be salty but I want to clear things up on male and female strength.

In High School there was a game that went about, especially in winter, where we would hold our hands together and stick them out and the person in front will try and slap them as hard and quick as possible and you have to move your hands out of the way. If you dodged it you get to slap, if you get hit they get to slap again.

The girls would join in but you couldn't do a full strength slap on their hands because it hurts them too much, they would do a full strength slap because we can take it, the girls would even do full strength slaps on one another and the guys would do full strength slaps on one another despite size. Yes we were all teenagers but it's the same principal with women today, if you are messing around you can't hit the average woman as strong as you would your male friends. It's not double standards because it's the way it has to be otherwise they would have no fun.

I'm not treating women as delicate little flowers because it's still a case by case situation that's why i've been saying average and generally. I'm not going to sneak tackle a girl down to the ground unless I know she will find it amusing whereas my male friends I'm gonna do it whether they think it's funny or not because it'll end up being funny especially if other friends are about. I would pick my mates up and throw them to the ground it hurts them but they would hurt me back, if I did that to some of the girls I know even if they were trying to take me down... they would be in hospital. It's just a fact of life, the average woman is weaker than the average man so as a result you have to be careful, obviously if it's life or death and they are going to kill you, gender no longer matters.

It's not true double standards it's just the way it is when it comes to strength differences. The same way you treat small dogs differently than big dogs, a small one you aren't going to be rough with but a big one you can have a real good tug of war without worrying about injuring him. That's not double standards? So why is it when it's applied to humans?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Let's keep this short. You made a long post and then I got thorough.

1. I'm not mad. I'm just disagreeing with your logic and I tend to be blunt. Behind the screen I'm like "What? This doesn't make sense."

2. It's not about salt. I'm not saying you believe that women should kill men or their children. My point is this idea that women are special snowflakes are where these laws and ideas come from.

3. I don't agree. Personally when I was doing fight training I had to hold back against everybody because they were simply far weaker. It was annoying because they wanted me to be more explosive but even when I hit grown men they would go flying or say I hit them hard. So I had to practice alone at full strength. However I could play around with them, even with children and teens who liked to fight and be rough. Part of playing is that you aren't hitting at full strength. I have 6 sisters and I've play wrestled with them many times. A teenage boy is stronger than a teenage girl but as long as they don't hit me as hard as they can I wouldn't do the same thing back. There is no excuse for why a man being injured should be played for laughs. It also doesn't matter. Weaker is weaker no matter if it's a woman or a man. I'm not going to buy the logic that I should hit a weaker man hard but not a woman. Your defense is "They're a woman.". The weaker argument doesn't work if the man is weaker and in these shows the females have super powers while the men are wusses anyways. Not many harem shows where the male leads are strong.

4. You are treating them like flowers, and you have in many discussions. The video game discussion, this discussion, the topic where a guy kicked a girl out of their apartment in you felt bad. To be honest I don't think this white knighting is even about women being weaker it's about guys trying to get laid by catering to women.

5. We are talking about two individuals, groups don't matter. One individual is always going to be stronger or weaker or a worse fighter than another. Women often use weapons to make up the difference, and why should I allow someone to hit me because they're weaker even if it isn't life or death? I have a right to defend myself if it's death, a broken arm, or a swollen eye?

6. Women can help themselves get their voices heard. Women are not the majority of core gamers, it has nothing to do with that. Why do you keep denying this? Women are the majority of consumers in the majority of areas, they're plenty dominant. They're also the majority vote. Why don't men get this same treatment?

7. Tackling a friend or a brother is not the same as tackling a random stranger. How do you know the man could handle it? He could be frail or sick too. He might take it personally. If I know a girl who likes to roughouse then it's not a big deal. If I had a friend who didn't like that type of contact I wouldn't do it. Most people would be pissed off if you did that.


It's a double standard. I've proven that it's a double standard via definition but you simply won't admit it. This is just like the censorship debate when people said censorship is different. You keep making this argument about gender. Some people are weaker than others and some animals are. You are specifically saying women deserve special treatment even if men are weaker which is why I'm calling you hypocritical. Do you check and see if it's a male or female dog before you pull them?

You make it seem like the female character was dying in the show or something. It was light hearted. You can do whatever you want, but this idea that men should conform to it or men being hurt is funny is just ridiculous and expanding this by saying "women are weaker therefore it's ok" is just astounding to me.

If women deserve special treatment it comes at the expense of men. Who else is providing it? You're saying a woman's life is worth more. Not directly but indirectly.

[MGNoxa]

Jan 17, 2016 6:44:29 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Let's keep this short. You made a long post and then I got thorough.

1. I'm not mad. I'm just disagreeing with your logic and I tend to be blunt. Behind the screen I'm like "What? This doesn't make sense."

2. It's not about salt. I'm not saying you believe that women should kill men or their children. My point is this idea that women are special snowflakes are where these laws and ideas come from.

3. I don't agree. Personally when I was doing fight training I had to hold back against everybody because they were simply far weaker. It was annoying because they wanted me to be more explosive but even when I hit grown men they would go flying or say I hit them hard. So I had to practice alone at full strength. However I could play around with them, even with children and teens who liked to fight and be rough. Part of playing is that you aren't hitting at full strength. I have 6 sisters and I've play wrestled with them many times. A teenage boy is stronger than a teenage girl but as long as they don't hit me as hard as they can I wouldn't do the same thing back. There is no excuse for why a man being injured should be played for laughs. It also doesn't matter. Weaker is weaker no matter if it's a woman or a man. I'm not going to buy the logic that I should hit a weaker man hard but not a woman. Your defense is "They're a woman.". The weaker argument doesn't work if the man is weaker and in these shows the females have super powers while the men are wusses anyways. Not many harem shows where the male leads are strong.

4. You are treating them like flowers, and you have in many discussions. The video game discussion, this discussion, the topic where a guy kicked a girl out of their apartment in you felt bad. To be honest I don't think this white knighting is even about women being weaker it's about guys trying to get laid by catering to women.

5. We are talking about two individuals, groups don't matter. One individual is always going to be stronger or weaker or a worse fighter than another. Women often use weapons to make up the difference, and why should I allow someone to hit me because they're weaker even if it isn't life or death? I have a right to defend myself if it's death, a broken arm, or a swollen eye?

6. Women can help themselves get their voices heard. Women are not the majority of core gamers, it has nothing to do with that. Why do you keep denying this? Women are the majority of consumers in the majority of areas, they're plenty dominant. They're also the majority vote. Why don't men get this same treatment?

7. Tackling a friend or a brother is not the same as tackling a random stranger. How do you know the man could handle it? He could be frail or sick too. He might take it personally. If I know a girl who likes to roughouse then it's not a big deal. If I had a friend who didn't like that type of contact I wouldn't do it. Most people would be pissed off if you did that.


It's a double standard. I've proven that it's a double standard via definition but you simply won't admit it. This is just like the censorship debate when people said censorship is different. You keep making this argument about gender. Some people are weaker than others and some animals are. You are specifically saying women deserve special treatment even if men are weaker which is why I'm calling you hypocritical. Do you check and see if it's a male or female dog before you pull them?

You make it seem like the female character was dying in the show or something. It was light hearted. You can do whatever you want, but this idea that men should conform to it or men being hurt is funny is just ridiculous and expanding this by saying "women are weaker therefore it's ok" is just astounding to me.

If women deserve special treatment it comes at the expense of men. Who else is providing it? You're saying a woman's life is worth more. Not directly but indirectly.

My Numbers are responses to your Numbers.

1. Fair Enough.

2. Can you explain what you mean by special snowflakes? I treat women the same as men, I'm just more careful when things get physical because I could hurt them.

3. I'm talking in terms of averages and generalisations. Obviously some men will be weaker the same way some women will be stronger. The reason a man getting injured is played for laughs is because it's easier to digest for both genders. Some men don't want to watch women get hurt, some women don't want to watch women get hurt. I'm not saying that women can't get hurt in movies or that it can't be played for laughs, I'm just saying that in general both genders are more comfortable watching it happen to men. Sexist? Double Standards? It doesn't matter. Annoying? Maybe. It's not really something to get worked up over.

4. First off the story of that man kicking the woman out was gross and rapey, it was taking advantage of a woman that probably had some sort of confidence issues. It was disgusting. The other stuff I disagree, I'm not standing them on a pedestal I'm just simply saying "What about her?"

5. I said before there's a big difference between a woman shoving you or playfully slapping you and a woman coming at you with a baseball bat or a knife. Why do you feel the need to hit a woman because she can hit you? (mean remark but that's what it felt like you were doing to me in past posts.)

6. I've enver denied anything. I just want everyones opinions to be heard, right now in gaming you know what I'm going to write so I don't understand why you keep saying I'm wrong. SJW's are the only ones being heard right now in video games, especially if you're a woman, if you aren't an SJW and you're a woman good luck getting your voice out there to the developers and publishers because nobody cares about your opinion. It doesn't matter whether women are the majority or not because I'm not talking about business just simply getting peoples opinions heard.

7. I'm not going to tackle a random stranger... Everything else you just said is what I've been saying.

Example of Double Standards

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The ​governor is being ​accused of (having) ​double ​standards in being ​tough on ​law and ​order ​yet ​allowing his own ​cabinet ​members to ​escape ​prosecution for ​fraud.

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I treat everything case by case, it's impossible to have double standards when you look at everyone as an individual. I see one woman I make my mind up on the individual woman the same with men. I have never said women need more rights, I have never been harder on men and softer on women for the same thing. You need to provide an example of the double standards because as far as I know I don't have any.

Why would I need to check the gender of the dog for tug of war? It's a size thing when it comes to dogs.

I have never at any point made it seem the way you said I have when it comes to Haruhiko and Ruru's relationship. Never. All I've done is question why it happened so much, I never accused it of being anything more other than saying that the joke has overstayed it's welcome. I brought in other peoples opinions and asked you what you thought of it. Not done more than that.

Women are weaker (generally) that's why women are rarely used for slapstick physical comedy. It's always men because a man hitting his head on something isn't going to make people wonder if he's ok because it's assumed he'll be ok. It's easier to do. I don't understand why this is a problem. It's always been this way, it's not some sexist thing or a way to secretly make women look better or make them protected, the majority of audiences respond better to a man slipping on ice than a woman.

Yes, if women get special treatment it comes at the expense of men but I have never said they deserve special treatment? If you call being careful physically around a woman special treatment then I don't know what to say. I've never said a woman life is worth more than a mans, never implied it, unless you mean when I said men naturally want to protect women, that's not valuing one life over the other that's just evolution of us living together in groups, protecting the ones that will raise and care for children, it's our instinct. Doesn't mean women's lives are more important, we're all human beings, unless you're the scum of the earth your life is worth just as much as anyone else's.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 17, 2016 7:35:38 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

2. Can you explain what you mean by special snowflakes? I treat women the same as men, I'm just more careful when things get physical because I could hurt them.

It's easy to understand. You think women deserve special treatment largely for being women. You've been backpedaling and moving goalposts but the point is the same.

You can hurt anybody, you can hurt men as well. Do you think men are impervious to harm? A woman can very easily harm a man. I can hurt lots of people so do I give women this special treatment just because? It's sexist. This is part of the reason I stay away from most tv. It's just one big vagina fest now.

Jan 17, 2016 7:35:38 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

3. I'm talking in terms of averages and generalisations. Obviously some men will be weaker the same way some women will be stronger. The reason a man getting injured is played for laughs is because it's easier to digest for both genders. Some men don't want to watch women get hurt, some women don't want to watch women get hurt. I'm not saying that women can't get hurt in movies or that it can't be played for laughs, I'm just saying that in general both genders are more comfortable watching it happen to men. Sexist? Double Standards? It doesn't matter. Annoying? Maybe. It's not really something to get worked up over.

Well there's the bottom line and you finally admit it. It's more common because people find it "ok". That in and of itself is a double standard and our society and laws shouldn't be made around them.
People are more comfortable when black people make white jokes than the other way around, does that make it ok? Some people don't want to watch men get mistreated in various forms of mediums but they're forced to watch it. Just because many men are pussies and are scared to watch women get hurt but not men doesn't make the double standard ok. By the way these same people complained about the female character but not the male character, which proves my point.

It does matter, because you keep saying it's not one and no we find out it IS one and you want to deflect it. I'm going to give you several examples using your logic.

1. Women are used for visual sex appeal differently than men are and many women are eye candy. Women and men have an easier time looking at this than men portrayed the same way. SJW's complain about this and this is somehow you have a problem with it. Is it because you like looking at scantily clad women? When they tell you "Go get laid." Does that make their position ok? How is their complaining any more stupid than the double standard you believe in? You believe in a double standard when it comes to male and female violence and they want to cover up women and not men. How is the logic any different?

Sexualization vs power fantasy? This is bad but "Women need special protection." is not even when they come from the same principle?

2. People believed that slavery was ok in the past, or that women should have fewer rights. Men in the past were able to hit their wives. Does that make it ok because that's the way people view it?

3. People don't have a problem with teachers sleeping with underage boys so does that make that ok too because many more complain if a man does it?

4. Should a person who is poor be allowed to steal from someone who is rich? People feel that the rich stealing from the poor is far worse, but does it make it ok the other way around?

This is the kind of logic you're using and that's why I have a problem with it.

By the way people say that video game girls are no big deal and that R. Mika's butt shot is no big deal.  How is that argument any different?

Jan 17, 2016 7:35:38 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

4. First off the story of that man kicking the woman out was gross and rapey, it was taking advantage of a woman that probably had some sort of confidence issues. It was disgusting. The other stuff I disagree, I'm not standing them on a pedestal I'm just simply saying "What about her?"

Nothing about that story had ANYTHING to do with rape, you're just trying to portray it as worse because he didn't want to have her there if she wouldn't put out. Women take advantage of men all of the time to get free things, alimony and child support settlements, and everything in between. You're complaining about women being victims here? How many women take advantage of a man's lack of experience and confidence and commit things like paternity fraud? Somehow you have a problem with a guy kicking a woman out of his place when she came alone.

This is an example of white knighting. You're always concerned about the condition of a woman, even at the expense of a man. This is some westernized leftist stuff you've been indoctrinated with.

Jan 17, 2016 7:35:38 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

5. I said before there's a big difference between a woman shoving you or playfully slapping you and a woman coming at you with a baseball bat or a knife. Why do you feel the need to hit a woman because she can hit you? (mean remark but that's what it felt like you were doing to me in past posts.)

There's a big difference if a man does it, so why shouldn't it be treated the same? Your logic makes no sense. If nobody is hurting the other person it's irrelevant, and if they are they have a right to defend themselves. Nobody here is bullying you you're just being sensitive. At most I might have said "nonsense" to a part of your posts but I haven't even insulted you.

Are you a chick? You're very emotional and like to play victim. How's that for a joke?

Jan 17, 2016 7:35:38 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

6. I've enver denied anything. I just want everyones opinions to be heard, right now in gaming you know what I'm going to write so I don't understand why you keep saying I'm wrong. SJW's are the only ones being heard right now in video games, especially if you're a woman, if you aren't an SJW and you're a woman good luck getting your voice out there to the developers and publishers because nobody cares about your opinion. It doesn't matter whether women are the majority or not because I'm not talking about business just simply getting peoples opinions heard.

People can sign petitions, contact developers, and many other things if their opinions aren't heard. The females who are core gamers are satisfied with the content and therefore they're less likely to complain. Women who don't like it don't play it. You keep trying to make everything "female inclusive" when you don't do the same thing the other way around.

This idea that women aren't being heard is nonsense. Morgan Webb on down we've had women get easier access just because she's a woman where a man would get nowhere near the attention. A man has to earn his voice where a woman gets it because she's a woman.

Jan 17, 2016 7:35:38 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

Example of Double Standards

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The ​governor is being ​accused of (having) ​double ​standards in being ​tough on ​law and ​order ​yet ​allowing his own ​cabinet ​members to ​escape ​prosecution for ​fraud.

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I treat everything case by case, it's impossible to have double standards when you look at everyone as an individual. I see one woman I make my mind up on the individual woman the same with men. I have never said women need more rights, I have never been harder on men and softer on women for the same thing. You need to provide an example of the double standards because as far as I know I don't have any.

No two double standards are:

"A woman can hit a man but a man can't hit back or he has to go easy because it's a woman."

Another is:

"A woman scantily clad is sexualization and a man is a power fantasy."

You have a problem with one and not the other because one interferes with you viewing your hot gaming girls. This is what I'm addressing.

You're not going by a case by case basis, you're explicitly saying women deserve special treatment.

None of this SJW crap and this feminist crap would even exist if it weren't for men constantly white knighting for women.

Jan 17, 2016 7:35:38 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

Why would I need to check the gender of the dog for tug of war? It's a size thing when it comes to dogs.

So what? Some men are smaller than other men.

If a man picks on a much stronger man and gets the hell beaten out of him, people will say he got what he deserved.

If it's a woman the man is a bad guy.

Why? "It's a woman." That's your logic and it's a double standard. Just admit it.

Jan 17, 2016 7:35:38 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

I have never at any point made it seem the way you said I have when it comes to Haruhiko and Ruru's relationship. Never. All I've done is question why it happened so much, I never accused it of being anything more other than saying that the joke has overstayed it's welcome. I brought in other peoples opinions and asked you what you thought of it. Not done more than that.

Wait. Female on male violence is much more common even when the women are stronger than the men. This invalidates all of your points and you find this acceptable.

Did the joke of him being knocked out of the room over and over again overstay its welcome?

A man can joke about a woman being hit and even THAT is offensive even if nothing is shown. It's just sexist.

Jan 17, 2016 7:35:38 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

Women are weaker (generally) that's why women are rarely used for slapstick physical comedy. It's always men because a man hitting his head on something isn't going to make people wonder if he's ok because it's assumed he'll be ok. It's easier to do. I don't understand why this is a problem. It's always been this way, it's not some sexist thing or a way to secretly make women look better or make them protected, the majority of audiences respond better to a man slipping on ice than a woman.

No, it has nothing to do with it because even stuff with children has the males portrayed as different. You said it before, women are used less because "It's offensive". It's nothing but PC garbage. Nobody is hurt, it's fiction, and it's all comedy all the same. People think a man being hurt is ok because they see a man as expendable and not a woman.

You're joking right? So all of the shows where men are portrayed as stupid or inferior to women is just in my imagination? This crap has infested entertainment more than the "less sexy costumes" stuff you're always complaining about. It's universal, even in Japanese culture.  You complain that women are portrayed as "perfect" but fail to realize it's because if anything else is done, people will cry sexism.  That's sexist in and of itself.

This crap goes on in cultures where the men are pussified and effeminate. Like American men and Japanese men. Men in those countries tend to be very beta and worship even animated females and this is all wish fulfillment that they get off of. In other cultures this is not the case.

Many people don't care at all. By the way people have a problem with women being hurt, so should we remove women from fighting games or other games where females are the lead? Would you cosign with that?

Of course not. Since it's ok with you in that scenario because you like it when women are seen as "strong" but not when they're used as comedy props. Why are men so pussified they need to just be dominated by women in these forms of entertainment. It wasn't that way before.

Jan 17, 2016 7:35:38 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

Yes, if women get special treatment it comes at the expense of men but I have never said they deserve special treatment? If you call being careful physically around a woman special treatment then I don't know what to say. I've never said a woman life is worth more than a mans, never implied it, unless you mean when I said men naturally want to protect women, that's not valuing one life over the other that's just evolution of us living together in groups, protecting the ones that will raise and care for children, it's our instinct. Doesn't mean women's lives are more important, we're all human beings, unless you're the scum of the earth your life is worth just as much as anyone else's.

Sure you have, you've said it over and over again. You've put a bunch of obligations on men that women don't have. You want to value women's lives more, which is why you want to protect them. You still haven't proven where this is biology, because men have to look out for other men to. No men=no society.

Giving women special treatment while men are larger victims of violence does nothing for society. You show me a society where women have a higher mortality rate than men.

Your type of mindset is also another reason why female rape is seen as the "worst thing ever" but male rape is seen as "no big deal".

Do you believe in "Women and children first."?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Is this ok because it's a female?



This?



This?



This?




They play the victim then get back up for more. It must be ok though.