C’mon Capt, your argument is constantly going into the “no he can’t, yes he can” route without any explanation, any argument I give you and you don’t prove or explain you are simply disregarding, and you are the one making the first claims and you say you have proof for them, like at KMC, but you always say you will post scans and I don’t see them. Don’t blame it on me, I’m not trying to be mean, but c’mon now. You’re better than that.
Do you understand however that we are at a forum? You see that right? Comic fights are much different because forum fights are meant to be fair. They are meant to be theoretical matches that have NOT happened, in which you use the characters abilities (fairly displayed) to achieve the best result. However in a comic match, things like popularity and the other character can’t die off start to apply. That’s why Logan is shown holding his own against Hulk in one crossover, but DD giving him problems in another, it’s horribly inconsistent and it’s a crossover match meant to appeal to the fans. That means that one side will never be a clear winner, which is why they are faulty and just not good evidence not around. Pretty much all of these are “non-fights” because they did not end with a clear winner, and they don’t go by the rules. This is not a training session, this is not where Spiderman thinks Logan is an imposter, this is Spiderman trying to beat the tar out of Logan to the best of his abilities. Nothing else, so how would Logan win against a superior opponent?
I notice a distinct pattern in these arguments here and at KMC. Anything that makes Logan look bad is a non-fight while anything that makes him look good (like a training session, or Spiderman thinking he’s an imposter) is all fair grabs. Any situation with Logan (even though most of the story are left out by Wolverine fans) are good for some reason, so we are left with claims to the contrary and nothing else. They were fights, Logan was ready and on defense, and he failed to defend himself. If logan had overcame Spiderman in these situations, it would have been “Logan took him out here” but when it’s the opposite, it doesn’t work. There’s a big problem with that.
Please, Spiderman saw the guy as an imposter and holds back even more. Don’t try to fool the fans into thinking he started to fight his best. Spiderman almost never fights to his fullest, and that includes Morlun who he was fighting for days, his sense didn’t go off, he didn’t bother using his abilities, he just threw a few swings, that is not Spiderman being written to the best of his abilities like he would be in this forum. So it’s a poor example.
Spiderman thinks before he does anything, he is a thinker, he doesn’t just run into situations unless someone else’s life is in danger, you have him mixed up with Wolverine. Wolverine is the one who runs into situations without using his “godly fighting” skills I hear so much of.
Logan had his claws out and threatened Spiderman, Spiderman saw it and made the faster move. He threatened him and even trailed with ellipses, Logan was unable to back up said threat.
You are using a training scene Spiderman and a Spiderman who thinks he’s an imposter as evidence. If Logan was so damned fast, he could have done something by the time he was fully webbed up, which just goes to show he can be webbed up in a very short time anyways, despite what you said at the end of this post.
No, I actually hate feat wars. But fanboys just persist in using one-sided evidence. They have no problem using feats which make their character look good, but they consistently disregard anything else, which is why logic backed with common and logical statistical showings are better. You will always see Wolverine able to lift 3 tons and other things, while most objective debaters will not, so comparing high and low feats never get anywhere.
That couldn’t be farther from the truth, fanboys misinterpret things all the time to their liking, they lie and they mix up evidence. They try to use a training session, they try to use SS getting stabbed in the chest. They try to ignore Namor ko’ing logan but they have no problem with a Namor fight with Logan winning. Jinzin, Cresh, Riceroost and all the others are quite guilty of it, which makes it frustrating. All of these people gave Logan a bad name because they defend him against almost anyone and use ridiculous showings in which Logan has no business doing. That is why Logan is a joke character on the forum in many debates. People will defend him against anyone. And masterbruce just makes it worse. Surviving from a Nuke? WTF? Wolverine didn’t have the same bad rep at the beginning of KMC, but the truth is his fans are just that bad.
You mean like a training scene? Or Spiderman thinking he’s an imposter. It was a non-fight, because he was clearly outmatched in these situations. But like I said featwars are just pointless circular arguments anyways.
Like clumsily stabbing Spiderman in a joke fight? Or fighting Spiderman who thought he was an imposter. It’s funny that the claws don’t count, but when Spiderman’s precog doesn’t go off that’s fine.
And the bottom line is: if Logan wasn’t ready for an attack, why did he threaten Spiderman or ignore his constant warnings? Sounds like an excuse to get out of evidence. There is no excuse of why he couldn’t get out of Spidemran’s hold from the time he went to the window, or remove the webbing, besides the fact that he well, can’t.
And oddly enough in both of those situations he was threatening someone. Wolverine supporters make up more things as they go along. Wolverine is supposedly a low level empathy now, Wolverine doesn’t have precog, and hopefully never will.
No he doesn’t, not always. He didn’t in his fight with Wolverine himself. But to be honest there isn’t anything Nightcrawler can do to Spiderman in character and secondly it has nothing to do with Wolverine.
1. Colossus wasn’t 100 tons then, nice try. It’s still argued whether he is or not.
2. Have you ever had webbing all over your face? You are much stronger than it, but it still takes awhile to get off. Spiderman’s webbing isn’t like a Spider’s it’s a stream that has held bridges together. It has held 100 tonners before, but I admit that he wouldn’t be able to web his body if he was on guard unless he was weakened.
Which shows you aren’t familiar with the tensile strength of his webbing. It is 120,000 lb per meter strength. That is extremely strong and definitely enough to hold a brick. If their leverage is removed. Which is another thing, if I tie you in rope well enough you won’t be able to remove it, regardless how strong you are, because you would have lost your leverage. The same thing with a properly tied bull. It isn’t just how much they can lift, isometric strength counts as well.
It was a fight to me between Logan and Spiderman, which is what this debate is about. Logan lounged at Spiderman with his claws out, and got knocked back like shit. The only reason they don’t write that anymore is because Logan got popular, and so did his crap victories increase.
Of course that same group of Xmen would kill Spiderman, but he can avoid them for awhile, nothing outside of his abilities really.
I guess the only way that Logan will look Superior will be in training sessions and not in the fight or comics.
No, Spiderman is still one of the more consistent characters around, period. Spiderman loses often but finds a way to win. 90% of objective comic readers, and pretty much all of them, agree that Logan is inconsistent and a PIS character. He does crap feats all the time, like taking punches from namor with no problem, but going down from namor, a deer, or DD in the same month. He wins matches he has no business winning, just because he is popular. Take the same Wolverine from ages ago when he was getting knocked out by thing and other characters, and he was a more interesting read, not when writers keep giving him abilities. We’ve seen people unanimously agree here and at KMC and other forums about this. Logan was better when he was more realistic, but the writers make him godly. Taking hits from nukes and fanboys saying it’s good. The ONLY people who think Logan is written consistently and accurately tend to be the people who think he beats anyone, and those people tend to hate on Spiderman as well. Funny no?
And here it begins, the endless “no he didn’t, yes he can” claims. You just a second ago didn’t have the issue. So prove they didn’t. Spiderman told Logan he would release him again if he promise not to kill the men who captured him. They didn’t directly fight in it but he did get webbed, and while beserk.
It makes perfect sense, why the hell would Spiderman have problems dodging a short Canadian with claws when he has dodged guys like Ock who have faster, longer, and smarter weapons, it makes perfect sense. Logan will only look good in a training session (in which he didn’t he looked clumsy because someone so skilled wouldn’t have seriously injured someone in a training session) because it’s all he has. Spidreman trying to face logan would have webbed him with claws to his head, which, owait he has.
But he was screaming in pain during it, and could do nothing about it. Spiderman bleeds and passed out from that and exertion, big whoop. This is twisting things around to make it valid.
Spiderman dodges a lot more than Logan, Logan chooses to take his hits head on, Logan dodging as much as Spiderman when Spiderman has precog (which oddly enough didn’t go off) says a lot about that example anyways.
It was quite clear Spiderman was playing around and his spider sense was going off, it sounds like you are trying so hard to validate this fight because you have no other evidence or explanation of how Logan would actually beat Spiderman. Spiderman doesn’t have to do anything but stay on the ceiling if he wanted to, and Logan can do guess what? Nothing.
Because they are crossover battles and characters are written to match the other character to make the fight look good. Spiderman showing his stats and his career outside of those fights have been portrayed better and his senses has gone off, but in those fights he fights head on like a two year old. Then DD gives Logan fights of his life as well. But then Logan matches Hulk, do you understand that crossovers are overall just bad evidence to go by? Crossovers had batman beating Hulk with a simple kick! And nothing else.
It shows that he has dodged a much faster and deadlier character, so he can dodge one inferior to the one mentioned.
Carnage is faster and deadlier than Venom for starters. Secondly Logan has no business beating Venom and you know it, so the entire example you used is disregarded. Spiderman beat Venom before and you don’t see me using it.
Yes, because we all know how much of a hardened killer Peter is. If Spiderman didn’t hold back his enemies would be dead a long time ago. Logan does NOT hold back to the degree of Spiderman, he has less to actually use and he uses it more. Wolverine is shown angry and aggressive quite often, he doesn’t casually stroll in and beat everything. Spidemran fights to disable his opponents and nothing more, even to the point where he fought for days to find a weakness. To say this shows little knowledge of Spiderman and makes this debate seem pointless.
And Logan admitted Spiderman could kill him if he really wanted to, I guess even Logan knows he’s screwed. Only his fans are supporting him at this point.
You made the first claim so now you must prove.
You also said that Thor is only 3x a dense as a human despite taking hits from cosmic beings.
Logan beating herc says nothing about speed in a match where Gambit beat Gladiator with a pack of cards.
But they have the feats to prove them, oh but that doesn’t count now does it?
Hulk is huge, and Northstar’s abilitiy is speed so therefore we do not dispute that, however everything else is open for grabs. Hulk IS faster than Spiderman and Wolverine.
Yes it does if he jumps that high Logan wont’ touch him. Logan jumping that high is bull because he doesn’t even have the strength to get his mass that high, I’ll wait for you to calculate that.
It’s your claim so you do it first.
You’ve made claims and disclaims for the entire debate, and like at KMC I haven’t seen these scans, but I’d definitely like to someday.
Does it take a genius to realize that he threw him out a window, why couldn’t he get out of that grab? He’s so strong and skilled right?
I’m not saying he isn’t, I’m saying it was useless when Spiderman got pissed at him and threw him out of a window, he knew Spiderman was mad, but still looked like a chump.
Did you read what I wrote, the webbing is like a stream of water, he can’t cut all of it. And he isn’t dodging something that is faster than him from someone who is faster than him.
Logan beating herc says nothing about speed in a match where Gambit beat Gladiator with a pack of cards.
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