Gill vs. Charlie.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

psyquis52 said:

I don't think Gill eats tacos.

I bet he's more of a Gyros type of guy.

Gill is far too pretty and metrosexual to be caught eating *any* of those foods. They'll ruin his body.

[JACK-2]

Nash is one of the strongest Street Fighters, and could give current Ryu & Ken problems in a Street Fight. But, as skilled as Nash was, he didn't reach a level of skill that would indicate he's a match for Gill before he was killed. Gill has too a great deal of Raw power since he's the symbios of the positive and Negative forces of the universe and can create miracles E.G. Split a sea in half by raising his hand and when he performs "The Ascension". Furthermore, he can create Fire& Ice with his mind. Charlie could give Gill a challenge, but I doubt he could flat out beat him.

-The Azure Dragon of Gales[/I]

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

thebluedragongales said:

Nash is one of the strongest Street Fighters, and could give current Ryu & Ken problems in a Street Fight. But, as skilled as Nash was, he didn't reach a level of skill that would indicate he's a match for Gill before he was killed. Gill has too a great deal of Raw power since he's the symbios of the positive and Negative forces of the universe and can create miracles E.G. Split a sea in half by raising his hand and when he performs "The Ascension". Furthermore, he can create Fire& Ice with his mind. Charlie could give Gill a challenge, but I doubt he could flat out beat him.

-The Azure Dragon of Gales

[/I][/quote]Great conclusion. It's hard to consistently guage Nash though, he has so very limited appearances. But he did kick that mountain in.

[JACK-2]

Well, according to Street Fighters canon. Nash was the one who created the Sonic Boom & Flash Kick techniques,Taught it to Air Force personal (But no one mastered it by Zero 3), and was the previous Pan American champion before Ken. So, it's fair to say that he's fairly skilled. Infact, he's a military hero. He could give Third Strike Ryu & Ken problems or flat out beat them, but not Gill. Oh,btw, when did he kick in a moutain?

-The Azure Dragon of Gales

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

thebluedragongales said:

Well, according to Street Fighters canon. Nash was the one who created the Sonic Boom & Flash Kick techniques,Taught it to Air Force personal (But no one mastered it by Zero 3), and was the previous Pan American champion before Ken. So, it's fair to say that he's fairly skilled. Infact, he's a military hero. He could give Third Strike Ryu & Ken problems or flat out beat them, but not Gill. Oh,btw, when did he kick in a moutain?

-The Azure Dragon of Gales

It was in a comic, I'll have to search for the image and/or info for that feat. If he is dead, I'm not sure that his latest version would easily beat or beat the latest versions of Ryu and Ken, but it's hard to say.

[Darkstorm Zero]

[glow=red,2,300]I don't think Charlie can beat 3rd strike Ryu, Ken is a possability, but Ryu is leagues ahead, simply because Charlie could never hope to stand against Alpha Akuma, which current Ryu has surpassed, it's A>B>C logic, but in this case, it does make sense.

Not to mention, that Ryu Smexploded Alpha 3 Boss Bison with a Shoryuken...[/glow]

[JACK-2]

darkstorm said:

[glow=red,2,300]I don't think Charlie can beat 3rd strike Ryu, Ken is a possability, but Ryu is leagues ahead, simply because Charlie could never hope to stand against Alpha Akuma, which current Ryu has surpassed, it's A>B>C logic, but in this case, it does make sense.

Not to mention, that Ryu Smexploded Alpha 3 Boss Bison with a Shoryuken...[/glow]

I doubt he can beat current Ryu as well, but he can give him one hell of a fight. Nash is way up there, but he does not get the recognition that heshould. As for Bison, Alpha Ryu should have never been able to make him retreat with one shoryuken.

-The Azure Dragon of Gales

[Darkstorm Zero]

I know I know... but Ryu has consistently managed to do the impossible, defeating the likes of Akuma is no mean feat.

[JACK-2]

darkstorm said:

I know I know... but Ryu has consistently managed to do the impossible, defeating the likes of Akuma is no mean feat.

When did he defeat Gouki?

-The Azure Dragon of Gales

[Darkstorm Zero]

Alpha 2

[JACK-2]

darkstorm said:

Alpha 2

Well, Gouki forfieted the fight because he wanted Ryu to unleash his "Evil Intent"

www.vgmuseum.com/end/arcade/a/sfa2ryu.htm

-The Azure Dragon of Gales

[Darkstorm Zero]

True, but thats still a pretty amazing accomplishment considering just how much stronger Akuma was at the time.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

darkstorm said:

True, but thats still a pretty amazing accomplishment considering just how much stronger Akuma was at the time.

As long as we're in agreement that Gill would most likely beat Charlie.

I say current Ryu *should* be able to beat Charlie (if he's considered really dead), but I want to research them better.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

thebluedragongales said:

darkstorm said:

Alpha 2

Well, Gouki forfieted the fight because he wanted Ryu to unleash his "Evil Intent"

www.vgmuseum.com/end/arcade/a/sfa2ryu.htm

-The Azure Dragon of Gales

That is a good point.

[Darkstorm Zero]

The only version of Charlie that should be contesting Ryu is Shadow... Unless regular charlie is now a match for Alpha Akuma like current Ryu is...

[JACK-2]

darkstorm said:

The only version of Charlie that should be contesting Ryu is Shadow... Unless regular charlie is now a match for Alpha Akuma like current Ryu is...

Well, put it this way, Nash has as much of a chance of beating Gouki as current Does. Maybe even more so.

-The Azure Dragon of Gales

[Darkstorm Zero]

Thats hard to say, Ryu is confirmed to be at Akuma's alpha levels, Charlie on the otherhand... we dunno, it seemed like he had loads of trouble with Bison... Even Guile managed to beat him in Alpha 3 (Since it's Guiles ending thats confirmed cannon in A3)

I've got to know what puts Charlie on par with Alpha Akuma.

[JACK-2]

Guile and Nash fought Bison together, they did not fight each other. Guiles ending is canon, but it doesn't suggest that Nash is weaker. I posted some of the reasons I believe that Nash stands a chance

[Darkstorm Zero]

He's the former pan, American champ, yes, but can thay really be used to guage 3rd Strike Ryu against him?

He has a good chance yes... but Ryu is now dealing with power levels that IMO are now out of Charlies reach... However, Nash does have Experience...

[JACK-2]

darkstorm said:

He's the former pan, American champ, yes, but can thay really be used to guage 3rd Strike Ryu against him?

He has a good chance yes... but Ryu is now dealing with power levels that IMO are now out of Charlies reach... However, Nash does have Experience...

I've admitted that current Ryu is too much, though.


-The Azure Dragon of Gales

[Darkstorm Zero]

I guess I misunderstood your point...

You'll have to forgive me, I'm still riled up with the shit I had to deal with on KMC.

[JACK-2]

I saw your debate in the Ryu vs KOS-MOS thread.

-The Azure Dragon of Gales

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

thebluedragongales said:

darkstorm said:

The only version of Charlie that should be contesting Ryu is Shadow... Unless regular charlie is now a match for Alpha Akuma like current Ryu is...

Well, put it this way, Nash has as much of a chance of beating Gouki as current Does. Maybe even more so.

-The Azure Dragon of Gales

So you see them equal in that regard?

P.S I must say it is nice to talk without any fanboyism and trolling around.

[Darkstorm Zero]

thebluedragongales said:

I saw your debate in the Ryu vs KOS-MOS thread.

-The Azure Dragon of Gales

Beleive me, that wasn't the only one... Try the Akuma vs Kyo and Iori thread...

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

darkstorm said:

thebluedragongales said:

I saw your debate in the Ryu vs KOS-MOS thread.

-The Azure Dragon of Gales

Beleive me, that wasn't the only one... Try the Akuma vs Kyo and Iori thread...

I remember *that* catastrophe.

[Darkstorm Zero]

It's absolute bullshit spewing like that that has finally convinced me to leave KMC... The place was good, but the last 6 months have been absolutely ratshit... all the "Old Skool" KMCers have left, Sado and Guilty literally filled the boards to the brim with fucking useless drivel they dredge up from the net, and nobody wants to go through quote for quote posts with them.

Sado accused ME of lying simply because I don't use net-based information, or provide links and puics and videos...

Tell me C-Master, has any of the info I've ever given out been bad? When I make mistakes, I fess up and correct it, but has anything I've used ever been bad info?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

darkstorm said:

It's absolute bullshit spewing like that that has finally convinced me to leave KMC... The place was good, but the last 6 months have been absolutely ratshit... all the "Old Skool" KMCers have left, Sado and Guilty literally filled the boards to the brim with fucking useless drivel they dredge up from the net, and nobody wants to go through quote for quote posts with them.

Sado accused ME of lying simply because I don't use net-based information, or provide links and puics and videos...

Tell me C-Master, has any of the info I've ever given out been bad? When I make mistakes, I fess up and correct it, but has anything I've used ever been bad info?

We've all had our mistakes before, but I've never known you to intentionally use bad sources to mislead other people.

[Darkstorm Zero]

All the information I have is found within the game... and as much as it would please me to post a working version of the games on KMC, it cannot be done...

I don't use net based sources, or fanmade FAQS... I use the games, the actual canon source that we where supposed to be using...

#comp03#

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

I do hate when people rely on those like they are the bible and accuse you of being an idiot for using the games.

[JACK-2]

Games don't tell us what's canon or not, because games are not the authority on story. The people who made the game are, problem is that unless you can get a conformation from them on whats canon. . .how do you decide whats canon and non-canon without confirmation from the company???

I know people have had problem with the use of Tiamats Faq, but until I see a better source that is properly sourced. I'm always going to use it, and if people don't want to debate because of it, that's fine.

-The Azure Dragon of Gales