Best Spell

[Pyrotic Blaziken]

Best Spell of any game.
Rules
1. Must be a spell; no sword techniques etc.
2. No Summons

To Post:
Spell Name
Game
Effect/ Description

Fortune's Arc
Tales of the Abyss Tear Grants
about 1:04 in

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

pyroticblaziken said:

Best Spell of any game.
Rules
1. Must be a spell; no sword techniques etc.
2. No Summons

To Post:
Spell Name
Game
Effect/ Description

Fortune's Arc
Tales of the Abyss Tear Grants
about 1:04 in

Time stop, greater restoration, etc.

[Dja Majista]

I would throw in some of the FF ultima spells but I know next to nothing about FF.
But Tales of Symphonia has Indignation Judgement. That's pretty strong.
Oh and with DnD spells, don't those vary a bunch based on the caster's level? With that, it's hard to say how powerful they are.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

damasta said:

I would throw in some of the FF ultima spells but I know next to nothing about FF.
But Tales of Symphonia has Indignation Judgement. That's pretty strong.
Oh and with DnD spells, don't those vary a bunch based on the caster's level? With that, it's hard to say how powerful they are.

Yea with 50 plus some normal spells do hundreds of damage in an area. Plus instant immunity, time freeze, and instant death spells make it sweet. End game, those characters are demigods fighting angels and demon princes.

[Pyrotic Blaziken]

Scourge or Ultima or Giga Flare From FF games
Don't do DnD it's just to complex based on situations

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

pyroticblaziken said:

Scourge or Ultima or Giga Flare From FF games
Don't do DnD it's just to complex based on situations

Bah, no it isn't... FF is just too simple...

[Dja Majista]

admin said:

pyroticblaziken said:

Scourge or Ultima or Giga Flare From FF games
Don't do DnD it's just to complex based on situations

Bah, no it isn't... FF is just too simple...

nuh uh. They actually do certain amounts of damage. DnD is like 20d30 garbage. and time stop has situational potency. why don't we let the topic creater define what makes a spell powerful.
Mr. Pyro if you will?
(I need a better nick name for you)

Oh right and psi storm, can't forget that.
and death and decay from WC2
...and death and decay from WC3!

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

damasta said:

admin said:

Bah, no it isn't... FF is just too simple...

nuh uh. They actually do certain amounts of damage. DnD is like 20d30 garbage. and time stop has situational potency. why don't we let the topic creater define what makes a spell powerful.
Mr. Pyro if you will?
(I need a better nick name for you)

Oh right and psi storm, can't forget that.
and death and decay from WC2
...and death and decay from WC3!

That's bs. Dnd spells do damage as well, it is just more realistic in the fact that it doesn't do the EXACT same damage each and every time. (what spell is 20d30)?

All it means is it is doing up to 30 damage twenty times, which averages to about 300 or so.

Time stop does the same thing every time. It is just more realistic than the blizzard and ff crap where you cast spells without interruption that do the same damage over and over again. The spells generally don't advance the same. And they are basically damage spells mixed with a few defense and utterly cheap ones. Dnd irons it out so it's fair towards different spellcasters and more realistic between levels.

Bottom line is DnD spellcasting is man's spellcasting, the other spellcasting is watered down for kids and anime watching teens. (It is actually true, and I don't necessarily disagree with it). Most people are too stupid to understand Dnd affects, but it isn't hard. Sometimes that spell may be more effective than at other times and should therefore have different effects from different casters.

[Dja Majista]

admin said:

damasta said:

nuh uh. They actually do certain amounts of damage. DnD is like 20d30 garbage. and time stop has situational potency. why don't we let the topic creater define what makes a spell powerful.
Mr. Pyro if you will?
(I need a better nick name for you)

Oh right and psi storm, can't forget that.
and death and decay from WC2
...and death and decay from WC3!

That's bs. Dnd spells do damage as well, it is just more realistic in the fact that it doesn't do the EXACT same damage each and every time. (what spell is 20d30)?

My personal siege tank does about that much. It has a 15 minute recharge though.[/quote]

All it means is it is doing up to 30 damage twenty times, which averages to about 300 or so.

Time stop does the same thing every time. It is just more realistic than the blizzard and ff crap where you cast spells without interruption that do the same damage over and over again. The spells generally don't advance the same. And they are basically damage spells mixed with a few defense and utterly cheap ones. Dnd irons it out so it's fair towards different spellcasters and more realistic between levels.

Bottom line is DnD spellcasting is man's spellcasting, the other spellcasting is watered down for kids and anime watching teens. (It is actually true, and I don't necessarily disagree with it). Most people are too stupid to understand Dnd affects, but it isn't hard. Sometimes that spell may be more effective than at other times and should therefore have different effects from different casters.

huh. you feel strongly about this don't you? yeah I'll just let you take it to alex...
and I'm not saying the DnD spells aren't any good. I actually prefer them to the typical console RPG. I just meant it's hard to measure in terms of other games. you know how damage points are much heavier in DnD than in other RPGs. And you could use averages I suppose, I forgot about that.
we need to specify the standards of what makes a spell the best anyway.
oh and for the record polymorph is the best spell ever. And I'm talking about the one from WC2. where you can do it to anybody including dragons and it's permanant, unlike stupid WC3 which doesn't work on my equally stupid computer, which is stupid.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

damasta said:

admin said:

That's bs. Dnd spells do damage as well, it is just more realistic in the fact that it doesn't do the EXACT same damage each and every time. (what spell is 20d30)?

My personal siege tank does about that much. It has a 15 minute recharge though.

All it means is it is doing up to 30 damage twenty times, which averages to about 300 or so.

Time stop does the same thing every time. It is just more realistic than the blizzard and ff crap where you cast spells without interruption that do the same damage over and over again. The spells generally don't advance the same. And they are basically damage spells mixed with a few defense and utterly cheap ones. Dnd irons it out so it's fair towards different spellcasters and more realistic between levels.

Bottom line is DnD spellcasting is man's spellcasting, the other spellcasting is watered down for kids and anime watching teens. (It is actually true, and I don't necessarily disagree with it). Most people are too stupid to understand Dnd affects, but it isn't hard. Sometimes that spell may be more effective than at other times and should therefore have different effects from different casters.

huh. you feel strongly about this don't you? yeah I'll just let you take it to alex...
and I'm not saying the DnD spells aren't any good. I actually prefer them to the typical console RPG. I just meant it's hard to measure in terms of other games. you know how damage points are much heavier in DnD than in other RPGs. And you could use averages I suppose, I forgot about that.
we need to specify the standards of what makes a spell the best anyway.
oh and for the record polymorph is the best spell ever. And I'm talking about the one from WC2. where you can do it to anybody including dragons and it's permanant, unlike stupid WC3 which doesn't work on my equally stupid computer, which is stupid.[/quote]Personal siege tank? The average doesn't do that much. (I'm not sure if you meant that).

Nah I'm cool, generally the discussion of what should be accepted is what makes the discussion in the first place. I was just talking how you guys were. But Dnd is complex I agree, but the spells are just more powerful at the end of things. So they win in the power category. Other than that, "best" is subjective. I just like the complex, the hard, you know me. ;D

I'm a fan of all of these games for the most part.

[Dja Majista]

admin said:

damasta said:

My personal siege tank does about that much. It has a 15 minute recharge though.

huh. you feel strongly about this don't you? yeah I'll just let you take it to alex...
and I'm not saying the DnD spells aren't any good. I actually prefer them to the typical console RPG. I just meant it's hard to measure in terms of other games. you know how damage points are much heavier in DnD than in other RPGs. And you could use averages I suppose, I forgot about that.
we need to specify the standards of what makes a spell the best anyway.
oh and for the record polymorph is the best spell ever. And I'm talking about the one from WC2. where you can do it to anybody including dragons and it's permanant, unlike stupid WC3 which doesn't work on my equally stupid computer, which is stupid.

Personal siege tank? The average doesn't do that much. (I'm not sure if you meant that).

Nah I'm cool, generally the discussion of what should be accepted is what makes the discussion in the first place. I was just talking how you guys were. But Dnd is complex I agree, but the spells are just more powerful at the end of things. So they win in the power category. Other than that, "best" is subjective. I just like the complex, the hard, you know me. ;D

I'm a fan of all of these games for the most part.[/quote]
which is why we may have to categorize them. Like healing spells have a different kind of power. Of course, it'll be hard to say that one healing spell is the best since I'm sure many games have the mass elixir type. and you can't really get better than that.

oh I seriously remember the most powerful spell now. Ice-9 from 8-bit theatre. Theoretically it freezes everything in the universe. They used it and froze the inside of an entire big of holding which has infinite storage capacity.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

damasta said:

admin said:

huh. you feel strongly about this don't you? yeah I'll just let you take it to alex...
and I'm not saying the DnD spells aren't any good. I actually prefer them to the typical console RPG. I just meant it's hard to measure in terms of other games. you know how damage points are much heavier in DnD than in other RPGs. And you could use averages I suppose, I forgot about that.
we need to specify the standards of what makes a spell the best anyway.
oh and for the record polymorph is the best spell ever. And I'm talking about the one from WC2. where you can do it to anybody including dragons and it's permanant, unlike stupid WC3 which doesn't work on my equally stupid computer, which is stupid.

Personal siege tank? The average doesn't do that much. (I'm not sure if you meant that).

Nah I'm cool, generally the discussion of what should be accepted is what makes the discussion in the first place. I was just talking how you guys were. But Dnd is complex I agree, but the spells are just more powerful at the end of things. So they win in the power category. Other than that, "best" is subjective. I just like the complex, the hard, you know me. ;D

I'm a fan of all of these games for the most part.

which is why we may have to categorize them. Like healing spells have a different kind of power. Of course, it'll be hard to say that one healing spell is the best since I'm sure many games have the mass elixir type. and you can't really get better than that.

oh I seriously remember the most powerful spell now. Ice-9 from 8-bit theatre. Theoretically it freezes everything in the universe. They used it and froze the inside of an entire big of holding which has infinite storage capacity.[/quote]Nah, they have mass ressurrection which would beat a mass elixir out...

[Pyrotic Blaziken]

1) DnD is not really a video game
2) Who give a rat's ... if ff is simple
3) Were really only doing non-elemental spells
4) Time Stop is in a Tales of game
5)The new DnD game uses a random damage multiplier rather than the stock Dnd calculator apparently so it more closely corelates to the FF games any way

[darthrevan]

pyroticblaziken said:

1) DnD is not really a video game

but there are DnD video games.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

pyroticblaziken said:

1) DnD is not really a video game
2) Who give a rat's ... if ff is simple
3) Were really only doing non-elemental spells
4) Time Stop is in a Tales of game
5)The new DnD game uses a random damage multiplier rather than the stock Dnd calculator apparently so it more closely corelates to the FF games any way

1) You asked for best spell.
2) Certainly not a ff fanboy. But I wasn't dissing it on being simple, actually some people just prefer it that way.
3.) What elemental spells had I used, weren't you guys using them?
4) It ain't the same. But I also like improved alacrity.
5) I hope it adds up faster.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

darthrevan said:

pyroticblaziken said:

1) DnD is not really a video game

but there are DnD video games.

Two David's owning you... come on man, show some spirit...

[Pyrotic Blaziken]

The DnD VG's sucked eggs. I don't count them. Thanks for bringing up that repressed memory. I'm in Disney Land! Disney Land!!!

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

pyroticblaziken said:

The DnD VG's sucked eggs. I don't count them. Thanks for bringing up that repressed memory. I'm in Disney Land! Disney Land!!!

You haven't played any good ones then. BG rated game of the year for it AND it's sequel... some people just like flashes and kiddie spells.

[Magic attack]

admin said:

pyroticblaziken said:

The DnD VG's sucked eggs. I don't count them. Thanks for bringing up that repressed memory. I'm in Disney Land! Disney Land!!!

You haven't played any good ones then. BG rated game of the year for it AND it's sequel... some people just like flashes and kiddie spells.

Baldur's Gate I and II, Icewind Dale I and II. All great games. Baldur's Gate had more story, while Icewind Dale had more hack and slash.

Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2. Very good games in their own rights. Good story, and plenty of fighting.

Dungeons and Dragons: The Temple of Elemental Evil. This game was really good, but a bit short to my liking.

Bard's Tale for PS2 was a decent game. This one had quite a bit of humor to it as well.


Old School games-

Phantasia 1,2, and 3 were pretty good games for the time. They had decent plots and lots of monsters to fight.

SSI's gold box series helped to bring decent stories to D&D games.

Ultima 4,5,6. This game set the tone for large scale adventures.


While Phantasia, Ultima and Bard's Tale were not D&D authorized games, they do fit the genre and style of gameplay.


All of these were successful games that were enjoyable to play. At least for those of us that enjoy that style of game.

[Magic attack]

As for my most used spell in D&D Video games... it would be Magic Missile.


Not the most powerful, but always useful.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

shakezula said:

admin said:

You haven't played any good ones then. BG rated game of the year for it AND it's sequel... some people just like flashes and kiddie spells.

Baldur's Gate I and II, Icewind Dale I and II. All great games. Baldur's Gate had more story, while Icewind Dale had more hack and slash.

Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2. Very good games in their own rights. Good story, and plenty of fighting.

Dungeons and Dragons: The Temple of Elemental Evil. This game was really good, but a bit short to my liking.

Bard's Tale for PS2 was a decent game. This one had quite a bit of humor to it as well.


Old School games-

Phantasia 1,2, and 3 were pretty good games for the time. They had decent plots and lots of monsters to fight.

SSI's gold box series helped to bring decent stories to D&D games.

Ultima 4,5,6. This game set the tone for large scale adventures.


While Phantasia, Ultima and Bard's Tale were not D&D authorized games, they do fit the genre and style of gameplay.


All of these were successful games that were enjoyable to play. At least for those of us that enjoy that style of game.

I liked the console counter part to BG as well, basic but enjoyable.

Neverwinter Nights is excellent as is Icewind dale. I love Kingdom Hearts and I still haven't played the second one, even though my friend let me borrow it for months. Just wasn't in a console mood.

FF is good, but I like real time, unless it's Poke'mon.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

shakezula said:

As for my most used spell in D&D Video games... it would be Magic Missile.


Not the most powerful, but always useful.

Yea it's good non-elemental damage.

I wonder what I use the most. Probably some healing spell or something, with the good mods out, it changed the way I play with my spells.

How are you lately Ron?

[Pyrotic Blaziken]

The have been games specifically title D'n'D. BG is good, and alot of people associate it saying it is a D'n'D game. It's just based on the D'n'D system.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

pyroticblaziken said:

The have been games specifically title D'n'D. BG is good, and alot of people associate it saying it is a D'n'D game. It's just based on the D'n'D system.

It is an DnD game, it says so right on the game seal. It uses creatures, weapons, and even heroes from the DnD world. Drizzt and Elminster are straight from the manuals, are many of the DnD creatures.


But my point was that it was a working system anyways, and that you agree with.

[Magic attack]

admin said:

shakezula said:

As for my most used spell in D&D Video games... it would be Magic Missile.


Not the most powerful, but always useful.

Yea it's good non-elemental damage.

I wonder what I use the most. Probably some healing spell or something, with the good mods out, it changed the way I play with my spells.

How are you lately Ron?

Doing well my friend. I have to reply to that PM you sent me a few days ago. I get so absent minded.

admin said:

pyroticblaziken said:

The have been games specifically title D'n'D. BG is good, and alot of people associate it saying it is a D'n'D game. It's just based on the D'n'D system.

It is an DnD game, it says so right on the game seal. It uses creatures, weapons, and even heroes from the DnD world. Drizzt and Elminster are straight from the manuals, are many of the DnD creatures.


But my point was that it was a working system anyways, and that you agree with.

You are correct my friend. Here is a pic of the front of the box-

www.mobygames.com/images/covers/large/1057429884-00.jpg


As can be seen it is a DnD product. I wouldn't have lied about that.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

shakezula said:

admin said:

Yea it's good non-elemental damage.

I wonder what I use the most. Probably some healing spell or something, with the good mods out, it changed the way I play with my spells.

How are you lately Ron?

Doing well my friend. I have to reply to that PM you sent me a few days ago. I get so absent minded.

admin said:

It is an DnD game, it says so right on the game seal. It uses creatures, weapons, and even heroes from the DnD world. Drizzt and Elminster are straight from the manuals, are many of the DnD creatures.


But my point was that it was a working system anyways, and that you agree with.

You are correct my friend. Here is a pic of the front of the box-

www.mobygames.com/images/covers/large/1057429884-00.jpg


As can be seen it is a DnD product. I wouldn't have lied about that.

That's good! I see you have an Akuma sig... welcome to the dark side... Oh and that pic won't show... I'll try to find another...

[Magic attack]

admin said:

shakezula said:

Doing well my friend. I have to reply to that PM you sent me a few days ago. I get so absent minded.






You are correct my friend. Here is a pic of the front of the box-

www.mobygames.com/images/covers/large/1057429884-00.jpg


As can be seen it is a DnD product. I wouldn't have lied about that.

That's good! I see you have an Akuma sig... welcome to the dark side... Oh and that pic won't show... I'll try to find another...

here is the image.

[Pyrotic Blaziken]

Wow. a decent D'n'D game. There is a God, and he made the platypus.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

shakezula said:

admin said:

That's good! I see you have an Akuma sig... welcome to the dark side... Oh and that pic won't show... I'll try to find another...

here is the image.

That's a big one, did you scan that
?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

pyroticblaziken said:

Wow. a decent D'n'D game. There is a God, and he made the platypus.

Some people just can't say they're wrong.