Gouki vs. Ganon

[violent2dope]

My first vs. thread here! Both at their primes. Gouki can go Shin, Ganon can go beast(tho I think that wouldn't be wise). I strip Ganon of his invincibility, but I give him durability to withstand a dragon breathing fire on him and having his fortress fall on him without damage, as that is his best durability feat. Fight takes place on the island Gouki trained at(and don't say "island busting ftw", keep in mind, unlike Gouki, Ganon can fly). I will be supporting Ganon(like I usually do), tho I want to know what you think. FIGHT!

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

violent2dope said:

My first vs. thread here! Both at their primes. Gouki can go Shin, Ganon can go beast(tho I think that wouldn't be wise). I strip Ganon of his invincibility, but I give him durability to withstand a dragon breathing fire on him and having his fortress fall on him without damage, as that is his best durability feat. Fight takes place on the island Gouki trained at(and don't say "island busting ftw", keep in mind, unlike Gouki, Ganon can fly). I will be supporting Ganon(like I usually do), tho I want to know what you think. FIGHT!

No invurnerability eh, but he's still very durable. Is there anything else I need to know about?

[Darkstorm Zero]

ISLAND BUSTING FTW!!!

j/k

Anywho, Gouki does fly, at least during his longer ranged teleports (In the Alpha Anime, he traversed landmasses instantly) and glides normally, besides, Flight isn't a very big issue, Gouki's leaps are phenominal.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

darkstorm said:

ISLAND BUSTING FTW!!!

j/k

Anywho, Gouki does fly, at least during his longer ranged teleports (In the Alpha Anime, he traversed landmasses instantly) and glides normally, besides, Flight isn't a very big issue, Gouki's leaps are phenominal.

So what are you trying to say?

[JACK-2]

I'm gouki can Levitate in a crude fashion, but Fly?
Which version of Ganon is this?

-Atom Ant Out

[violent2dope]

All versions. It's the same dude.

I'll do my take on their stats.

Strength: Ganon's strength is hard to gauge, feats would be breaking mystical bracers and chains that held him on a wall, easily crushing the Fused Shadows, powerful artifacts, with one hand, and killing a sage(powerful mystical entity) with a mere dashing punch. I can't think of one for Gouki right now, and btw, Gouki did use a specific technique, the Raging Demon in the island's case, to sink the island, same with hacky sacking the sub and splitting Ayers Rock. I can't think of an actual feat for him, enlighten me. ;D

Speed: When it somes to striking, Gouki, when it comes to traveling in fights, Ganon, he has shown to be exceptionally fast despite his massive size, can tele, and can also travel very quickly when he becomes intangible.

Durability: Gouki's best feat is withstanding great pressure from the bottom of the ocean, whereas Ganon's has already been mentioned. I would give Ganon a SLIGHT edge...

Powers: Gouki has overall more destructive powers, but Ganon has far more. He can teleport, become intangible, fire firebolts from his hands and mouth, destroy castles with an outburst of energy while near death, charge up firebolts and fire multiple ones that cannot be blocked and home on, cause earthquakes with punches(imagine if he hit Gouki instead of the ground hehe), can actually CREATE thinking beings, can possible create small pocket dimensions, and imprison and release his own creations from them, can revive the dead, and maybe more that I can't remember.

Reach: Ganon is a 9' tall giant with a sword.

Range: Gouki I would think.

Skill: Gouki is a better H2H combatant of course, however Ganon is a master swordsman with thousands of years of experience, his swordstyle appears to be defensive and power based while wielding the Sword of the Sages, he uses dodges and blocks to counter attacks, and uses single, but strong attacks. While using two swords he uses more combos, and is more aggressive, and uses some acrobatics to dodge and stuff. Ganon also is an immensly powerful sorcerer.

Experience: Ganon. Dur.

Intelligence: Ganon is a master manipulator and planner.

I say Ganon.

[Darkstorm Zero]

violent2dope said:

Strength: Ganon's strength is hard to gauge, feats would be breaking mystical bracers and chains that held him on a wall, easily crushing the Fused Shadows, powerful artifacts, with one hand, and killing a sage(powerful mystical entity) with a mere dashing punch. I can't think of one for Gouki right now, and btw, Gouki did use a specific technique, the Raging Demon in the island's case, to sink the island, same with hacky sacking the sub and splitting Ayers Rock. I can't think of an actual feat for him, enlighten me. ;D

The Raging Demon was not used to sink the island, the Demon is a grappling technique that works on people, not islands...

The one used to destroy Uluru was called Kongou Kokuretsu Zan, and don't let Gears lies get to you, this was the first time it was ever used, and not in Alpha 2.

And the blasting of the sunken ship and the submarine out of the oceans bottom, that one is called Tenshou Kaireki Jin.

violent2dope said:

Speed: When it somes to striking, Gouki, when it comes to traveling in fights, Ganon, he has shown to be exceptionally fast despite his massive size, can tele, and can also travel very quickly when he becomes intangible.

Akuma crosses landmasses instantly in Alpha. Teleports, and becomes intangible as well, also becomes invisible, and can cause his presence to warp... Anyone here seen the Alpha movie?

violent2dope said:

Durability: Gouki's best feat is withstanding great pressure from the bottom of the ocean, whereas Ganon's has already been mentioned. I would give Ganon a SLIGHT edge...

Where was Ganon's mentioned?

violent2dope said:

Powers: Gouki has overall more destructive powers, but Ganon has far more. He can teleport, become intangible, fire firebolts from his hands and mouth, destroy castles with an outburst of energy while near death, charge up firebolts and fire multiple ones that cannot be blocked and home on, cause earthquakes with punches(imagine if he hit Gouki instead of the ground hehe), can actually CREATE thinking beings, can possible create small pocket dimensions, and imprison and release his own creations from them, can revive the dead, and maybe more that I can't remember.

One toesn't need that many powers to win a one on one battle

violent2dope said:

Reach: Ganon is a 9' tall giant with a sword.

agreed

violent2dope said:

Range: Gouki I would think.

agreed, Gouki's range edges Ganon's out.

violent2dope said:

Skill: Gouki is a better H2H combatant of course, however Ganon is a master swordsman with thousands of years of experience, his swordstyle appears to be defensive and power based while wielding the Sword of the Sages, he uses dodges and blocks to counter attacks, and uses single, but strong attacks. While using two swords he uses more combos, and is more aggressive, and uses some acrobatics to dodge and stuff. Ganon also is an immensly powerful sorcerer.

The swords won't help too much against Gouki, who's dealt with armed opponents before, not to mention energy blades capable of cutting more effectively than any sword. (Adon's Jaguar Kick for example, cuts instead of causing blunt force trauma.)

violent2dope said:

Experience: Ganon. Dur.

I'm not too sure, I don't think I've ever heard of Ganon being that old, plus even if he is, his experience wouldn't be singularly focused like Gouki's is, Ganon has had to learn to fight, use sorcery, use swords, learn overal starategies and tactics.... Ect, Ect... Gouki has poured all his efforts into the art of Combat.

violent2dope said:

Intelligence: Ganon is a master manipulator and planner.

Questionable, Gouki's sole focus on his capability as a fighter makes him more powerful a warrior, Ganon may be more intelligent over all, but Gouki may be a more intelligent and cabale Fighter, which in a match like this, makes all the difference.

violent2dope said:

I say Ganon.

I would say draw, or a slight edge to Gouki actually...

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

darkstorm said:

violent2dope said:

Strength: Ganon's strength is hard to gauge, feats would be breaking mystical bracers and chains that held him on a wall, easily crushing the Fused Shadows, powerful artifacts, with one hand, and killing a sage(powerful mystical entity) with a mere dashing punch. I can't think of one for Gouki right now, and btw, Gouki did use a specific technique, the Raging Demon in the island's case, to sink the island, same with hacky sacking the sub and splitting Ayers Rock. I can't think of an actual feat for him, enlighten me. ;D

The Raging Demon was not used to sink the island, the Demon is a grappling technique that works on people, not islands...

The one used to destroy Uluru was called Kongou Kokuretsu Zan, and don't let Gears lies get to you, this was the first time it was ever used, and not in Alpha 2.

And the blasting of the sunken ship and the submarine out of the oceans bottom, that one is called Tenshou Kaireki Jin.



Akuma crosses landmasses instantly in Alpha. Teleports, and becomes intangible as well, also becomes invisible, and can cause his presence to warp... Anyone here seen the Alpha movie?



Where was Ganon's mentioned?



One toesn't need that many powers to win a one on one battle



agreed



agreed, Gouki's range edges Ganon's out.



The swords won't help too much against Gouki, who's dealt with armed opponents before, not to mention energy blades capable of cutting more effectively than any sword. (Adon's Jaguar Kick for example, cuts instead of causing blunt force trauma.)



I'm not too sure, I don't think I've ever heard of Ganon being that old, plus even if he is, his experience wouldn't be singularly focused like Gouki's is, Ganon has had to learn to fight, use sorcery, use swords, learn overal starategies and tactics.... Ect, Ect... Gouki has poured all his efforts into the art of Combat.



Questionable, Gouki's sole focus on his capability as a fighter makes him more powerful a warrior, Ganon may be more intelligent over all, but Gouki may be a more intelligent and cabale Fighter, which in a match like this, makes all the difference.

violent2dope said:

I say Ganon.

I would say draw, or a slight edge to Gouki actually...

I've seen the Alpha movie. I do believe Ganon more versatile overall, but that doesn't mean that it all applies to combat, if that makes sense.

[Darkstorm Zero]

Thats what i'm trying to get at... In a fight, I beleive Gouki wins the very slight majority due to his combat dedication.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

darkstorm said:

Thats what i'm trying to get at... In a fight, I beleive Gouki wins the very slight majority due to his combat dedication.

Like a 6/10?

[JACK-2]

violent2dope said:

t's the same dude.

Not really, each version ganon is generally different same with link.

-Atom Ant Out

[violent2dope]

darkstorm said:

violent2dope said:

Strength: Ganon's strength is hard to gauge, feats would be breaking mystical bracers and chains that held him on a wall, easily crushing the Fused Shadows, powerful artifacts, with one hand, and killing a sage(powerful mystical entity) with a mere dashing punch. I can't think of one for Gouki right now, and btw, Gouki did use a specific technique, the Raging Demon in the island's case, to sink the island, same with hacky sacking the sub and splitting Ayers Rock. I can't think of an actual feat for him, enlighten me. ;D

The Raging Demon was not used to sink the island, the Demon is a grappling technique that works on people, not islands...

The one used to destroy Uluru was called Kongou Kokuretsu Zan, and don't let Gears lies get to you, this was the first time it was ever used, and not in Alpha 2.

And the blasting of the sunken ship and the submarine out of the oceans bottom, that one is called Tenshou Kaireki Jin.



Akuma crosses landmasses instantly in Alpha. Teleports, and becomes intangible as well, also becomes invisible, and can cause his presence to warp... Anyone here seen the Alpha movie?



Where was Ganon's mentioned?



One toesn't need that many powers to win a one on one battle



agreed



agreed, Gouki's range edges Ganon's out.



The swords won't help too much against Gouki, who's dealt with armed opponents before, not to mention energy blades capable of cutting more effectively than any sword. (Adon's Jaguar Kick for example, cuts instead of causing blunt force trauma.)



I'm not too sure, I don't think I've ever heard of Ganon being that old, plus even if he is, his experience wouldn't be singularly focused like Gouki's is, Ganon has had to learn to fight, use sorcery, use swords, learn overal starategies and tactics.... Ect, Ect... Gouki has poured all his efforts into the art of Combat.



Questionable, Gouki's sole focus on his capability as a fighter makes him more powerful a warrior, Ganon may be more intelligent over all, but Gouki may be a more intelligent and cabale Fighter, which in a match like this, makes all the difference.

violent2dope said:

I say Ganon.

I would say draw, or a slight edge to Gouki actually...

Strength: Kay. Doesn't explain how he is stronger tho.

Speed: No I have actually never seen it. If by teleporting do you mean the Asura Senku I think it's called? I would put that as intangibility. Hmmm...I guess traveling speed will go to Gouki, combat speed is closer.

Durability: Already did. Read OP.

Powers: Ganon could instantly summon some monsters to use as cannon fodder to distract Gouki, and Ganon could tele behind him and cut him. I'm not saying he WILL, but it's a possibility. Be creative.

Skill: Ganon is a far more skilled person with weapons than anyone in SF, I would bet my soul on that. Also, the Sword of the Sages is no mere sword, it glows with a powerful energy and was made by the sages.

Experience: Ganon is thousands of years old. ???Also, sorcery, swordsmanship, and tactics are part of combat lol.

Intelligence: Hmmm...You DO have a good point.

I still give it to Ganon, tho I am still open to opinions, and AA, every Link has been different, but every Ganon is the same. The Ganon in OoT was actually classic Ganon reborn. TP Ganon and WW Ganon are the same as OoT.

[Darkstorm Zero]

violent2dope said:

Strength: Kay. Doesn't explain how he is stronger tho.

Who says I was challenging strengths? All I did was correct a flaw in your analysis

However, the island crushing, uluru splitting and ship destroying does actually put Gouki's strength in the triple digit megatonn range. I did the calculations of it in the Gouki vs Seph thread here.

violent2dope said:

Speed: No I have actually never seen it. If by teleporting do you mean the Asura Senku I think it's called? I would put that as intangibility. Hmmm...I guess traveling speed will go to Gouki, combat speed is closer.

It was actually teleporting, he became a huge shadow and traversed a huge distance within the time it takes to turn an eye...

violent2dope said:

Durability: Already did. Read OP.

With only that to go on... I can say that his durability won't help him much against multi megatonne level punches... a fortress or builting collapsing barely breaks a megatonne...

violent2dope said:

Powers: Ganon could instantly summon some monsters to use as cannon fodder to distract Gouki, and Ganon could tele behind him and cut him. I'm not saying he WILL, but it's a possibility. Be creative.

Gouki teleports as well, and his combat reflexes will be much sharper than Ganon's due to Gouki's training.

violent2dope said:

Skill: Ganon is a far more skilled person with weapons than anyone in SF, I would bet my soul on that. Also, the Sword of the Sages is no mere sword, it glows with a powerful energy and was made by the sages.

Ah, but is it enough to match Gouki's fighting skills? Remember, Akuma doesn't need the use of weapons and considers them cowardly.

violent2dope said:

Experience: Ganon is thousands of years old. ???Also, sorcery, swordsmanship, and tactics are part of combat lol.

Not for 1 on 1 fighting they arn't and sorcery is by no means a combat art, it's sorcery...

Also, Ganon has also been doing other things, like theivery, learning to play the organ, and a huge bunch of other things, Gouki's only non combat habbit seemed to be carving those wooden figures, which he uses for training anyway...

violent2dope said:

Intelligence: Hmmm...You DO have a good point.

Simgle minded focus and dedication babey!

violent2dope said:

I still give it to Ganon, tho I am still open to opinions, and AA, every Link has been different, but every Ganon is the same. The Ganon in OoT was actually classic Ganon reborn. TP Ganon and WW Ganon are the same as OoT.

Thats actually assumption, Classic Ganon is different all together, mostly because it's not the same Link

[violent2dope]

darkstorm said:

violent2dope said:

Strength: Kay. Doesn't explain how he is stronger tho.

Who says I was challenging strengths? All I did was correct a flaw in your analysis

However, the island crushing, uluru splitting and ship destroying does actually put Gouki's strength in the triple digit megatonn range. I did the calculations of it in the Gouki vs Seph thread here.



It was actually teleporting, he became a huge shadow and traversed a huge distance within the time it takes to turn an eye...



With only that to go on... I can say that his durability won't help him much against multi megatonne level punches... a fortress or builting collapsing barely breaks a megatonne...



Gouki teleports as well, and his combat reflexes will be much sharper than Ganon's due to Gouki's training.



Ah, but is it enough to match Gouki's fighting skills? Remember, Akuma doesn't need the use of weapons and considers them cowardly.



Not for 1 on 1 fighting they arn't and sorcery is by no means a combat art, it's sorcery...

Also, Ganon has also been doing other things, like theivery, learning to play the organ, and a huge bunch of other things, Gouki's only non combat habbit seemed to be carving those wooden figures, which he uses for training anyway...



Simgle minded focus and dedication babey!

violent2dope said:

I still give it to Ganon, tho I am still open to opinions, and AA, every Link has been different, but every Ganon is the same. The Ganon in OoT was actually classic Ganon reborn. TP Ganon and WW Ganon are the same as OoT.

Thats actually assumption, Classic Ganon is different all together, mostly because it's not the same Link

Strength: He needs to use techniques that require his Ki for that. I was talking about base strength. Ryu, the guy who gets cut by glass, does not have island durability.

Speed: Like I said, travel speed.

Durability: He was breathed on by fire, and had his whole fort collapse without injury, and Gouki cannot dish out that kinda damage every hit.

Powers: But Ganon still has the upperhand in versatility of powers, and Ganon is a defensive collossus, he easily blocks and dodges any attack Link does, and counters it. Link always has to rely on unconventional means to harm Ganon. Gouki's reflexes are not that superior.

Skills: Doesn't matter if he considers them cowardly, Ganon is a master with swords and magic. Ganon dwarfs every opponent in LoZ in every way, he is only defeated thru PIS/Plot Devices.

Experience: Get Gouki to tell Doctor Strange isn't a combat art. Sorcery is part of Ganon's arsenal. Ganon hasn't been a thieve in like...a long time, and it doesn't take hundreds of years to learn how to play the organ, Ganon has had thousands of years. Perfecting his sorcery and swordsmanship have been a big focus for Ganon as well, as has learning about the Triforce of Power to be able to use its full power. Ganon has mastered it.

Actually, Classic Ganon is an ancient demon, who was reborn as Ganondorf of OoT.

[JACK-2]

Gouki does not need a technique to bust islands, that's just slander posted by gears. If your claiming he uses a technique then prove it.

-Atom Ant Out[/I]

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

violent2dope said:

darkstorm said:

Who says I was challenging strengths? All I did was correct a flaw in your analysis

However, the island crushing, uluru splitting and ship destroying does actually put Gouki's strength in the triple digit megatonn range. I did the calculations of it in the Gouki vs Seph thread here.



It was actually teleporting, he became a huge shadow and traversed a huge distance within the time it takes to turn an eye...



With only that to go on... I can say that his durability won't help him much against multi megatonne level punches... a fortress or builting collapsing barely breaks a megatonne...



Gouki teleports as well, and his combat reflexes will be much sharper than Ganon's due to Gouki's training.



Ah, but is it enough to match Gouki's fighting skills? Remember, Akuma doesn't need the use of weapons and considers them cowardly.



Not for 1 on 1 fighting they arn't and sorcery is by no means a combat art, it's sorcery...

Also, Ganon has also been doing other things, like theivery, learning to play the organ, and a huge bunch of other things, Gouki's only non combat habbit seemed to be carving those wooden figures, which he uses for training anyway...



Simgle minded focus and dedication babey!



Thats actually assumption, Classic Ganon is different all together, mostly because it's not the same Link

Strength: He needs to use techniques that require his Ki for that. I was talking about base strength. Ryu, the guy who gets cut by glass, does not have island durability.

Speed: Like I said, travel speed.

Durability: He was breathed on by fire, and had his whole fort collapse without injury, and Gouki cannot dish out that kinda damage every hit.

Powers: But Ganon still has the upperhand in versatility of powers, and Ganon is a defensive collossus, he easily blocks and dodges any attack Link does, and counters it. Link always has to rely on unconventional means to harm Ganon. Gouki's reflexes are not that superior.

Skills: Doesn't matter if he considers them cowardly, Ganon is a master with swords and magic. Ganon dwarfs every opponent in LoZ in every way, he is only defeated thru PIS/Plot Devices.

Experience: Get Gouki to tell Doctor Strange isn't a combat art. Sorcery is part of Ganon's arsenal. Ganon hasn't been a thieve in like...a long time, and it doesn't take hundreds of years to learn how to play the organ, Ganon has had thousands of years. Perfecting his sorcery and swordsmanship have been a big focus for Ganon as well, as has learning about the Triforce of Power to be able to use its full power. Ganon has mastered it.

Actually, Classic Ganon is an ancient demon, who was reborn as Ganondorf of OoT.

Sorcery is a form of combat, it might be different and not on the wavelength that this thread will be on, but it can be considered a form of combat. Not direct combat or "fighting" but combat.

Yea, where is it that he used that technique on the island when he didn't learn it until 2nd impact?

[someoneelse]

Is this like h2h or does Ganon have his maig powers and stuff? Cuz if he does, Ganon surely takes it.

[violent2dope]

Of course Ganon has his powers, he also has a big sword.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

violent2dope said:

Of course Ganon has his powers, he also has a big sword.

That sounds nasty.

[Darkstorm Zero]

I don't know, Gouki has some very hefty powers, strength, speed and combat capability... I'm not sure if Ganon's combat powers can pluck him the way your thinking.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

darkstorm said:

I don't know, Gouki has some very hefty powers, strength, speed and combat capability... I'm not sure if Ganon's combat powers can pluck him the way your thinking.

With his big sword?

[violent2dope]

darkstorm said:

I don't know, Gouki has some very hefty powers, strength, speed and combat capability... I'm not sure if Ganon's combat powers can pluck him the way your thinking.

Ganon has powers, strength, speed, and combat capability as well. And nifty magic and a big sword. ;D I never said Ganon would curb him.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

violent2dope said:

darkstorm said:

I don't know, Gouki has some very hefty powers, strength, speed and combat capability... I'm not sure if Ganon's combat powers can pluck him the way your thinking.

Ganon has powers, strength, speed, and combat capability as well. And nifty magic and a big sword. ;D I never said Ganon would curb him.

What are you suggesting a 6/10 in his favor?

[violent2dope]

admin said:

violent2dope said:

Ganon has powers, strength, speed, and combat capability as well. And nifty magic and a big sword. ;D I never said Ganon would curb him.

What are you suggesting a 6/10 in his favor?

Yeah, about that.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

violent2dope said:

admin said:

What are you suggesting a 6/10 in his favor?

Yeah, about that.

And what about you Darkstorm?

[Darkstorm Zero]

Dunno.... Maybe a 50/50, or Ganon takes a slight edge.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

darkstorm said:

Dunno.... Maybe a 50/50, or Ganon takes a slight edge.

Oh, the way you were arguing I was convinced you would give the edge to Gouki.

[Darkstorm Zero]

No, I simply beleive in getting the accurate information correct in each debate is all...

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

darkstorm said:

No, I simply beleive in getting the accurate information correct in each debate is all...

As you should, that's what good debating is all about.

[violent2dope]

Yepperz. I do that too.