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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Nov 13, 2006 23:26:40 GMT -5
Who wins between the two if Wolverine doesn't get any of his healing or skeleton, just claws?
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Post by kuwabara on Nov 13, 2006 23:29:06 GMT -5
Who wins between the two if Wolverine doesn't get any of his healing or skeleton, just claws? Logan wins he more skilled and far far more experiences in combat |
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Nov 13, 2006 23:37:07 GMT -5
Who wins between the two if Wolverine doesn't get any of his healing or skeleton, just claws? Logan wins he more skilled and far far more experiences in combat Experience doesn't matter as much when you don't use it all the time. I don't see logan with claws alone standing up a decent fight against Shredder or an elite foot ninja at all.  |
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Post by darthrevan on Nov 14, 2006 20:32:55 GMT -5
The TMNT Michelangelo would lose, but Michelangelo di Lodovico Buonarroti Simoni would win (Those artistry skills will instantly kill Wolverine).
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Post by kuwabara on Nov 15, 2006 0:28:15 GMT -5
Logan wins he more skilled and far far more experiences in combat Experience doesn't matter as much when you don't use it all the time. I don't see logan with claws alone standing up a decent fight against Shredder or an elite foot ninja at all. elite foot ninjas are no more skilled then elite hand ninjas and logan has taken 1000's of them. Mikie skilled, but next to logan he got nothing. Logan would win I know you are not a fan and for some reason think logan does not show skills, but he does and he has taken it too some of the best martial artist in marvel. He beat DD in a fist fight in 3 pannels, he beat shang-chi in 5 pannels. He beat razor fist in 10 pannels. He has shown up capt. He done more martial art skills then many give me credit. He has taken it to a guy who stomped IF. He taken it to Black Panther. He taken it to many very very skilled martial artist |
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Nov 15, 2006 5:02:54 GMT -5
Experience doesn't matter as much when you don't use it all the time. I don't see logan with claws alone standing up a decent fight against Shredder or an elite foot ninja at all. elite foot ninjas are no more skilled then elite hand ninjas and logan has taken 1000's of them. Mikie skilled, but next to logan he got nothing. Logan would win I know you are not a fan and for some reason think logan does not show skills, but he does and he has taken it too some of the best martial artist in marvel. He beat DD in a fist fight in 3 pannels, he beat shang-chi in 5 pannels. He beat razor fist in 10 pannels. He has shown up capt. He done more martial art skills then many give me credit. He has taken it to a guy who stomped IF. He taken it to Black Panther. He taken it to many very very skilled martial artist That's not true, Elite hand ninja's are very skilled and can even Teleport. Shredder kicks Wolverine's ass. Shang Chi losing to Logan in 5 panels is crap. Cyclops has beaten him, DD has taken it to him, all these characters have given him trouble as well, and none of these matches matter because they don't go with the thread. The thread is "How would Wolverine fare with just his claws and nothing else. Michaelangelo can dodge and he is a very skilled MA as well, taking on the robots and the Triceratons who were armed. Now, do I think he wins all of them? No, but I think he can definately win some, I'd give Mikey at least 3/10 (without his potential). Logan is skilled but how often does he use it? Very little, you'd be hard pressed to find me Logan's "fighting skill" outside of using descriptive reference. Oh, and I don't hate Wolverine, I like him alot, but I don't see him as a god with his abilities, I don't see him beating every brawler like people want him to, I don't see him beating Namor either. I don't see him beating those people you listed with only claws. I don't see him beating Captain America with only claws either. Even in the old shows the turtles have shown superhuman feats such as lifting heavy things, jumping great heights, and hitting things accurately from very far away. I've seen them actually use their abilities. Logan is a Samurai/Ninja, and just because he's fought longer doesn't automatically make him better. How many people in Battle Nexus fought for hundreds or thousands of years and lost to Mikey as champ (though alot of them were BS). Stone Soldiers, people who can't even be harmed easily along with others were taken out with nothing but normal weapons and no healing... Mikey's stronger and faster than a human as well. Living longer=winning is a flawed argument because that would imply Logan could beat Ryu and Ken, which is utter, utter crap. "Taking it to them" because he's durable is a different matter entirely. |
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Post by kuwabara on Nov 16, 2006 19:30:14 GMT -5
elite foot ninjas are no more skilled then elite hand ninjas and logan has taken 1000's of them. Mikie skilled, but next to logan he got nothing. Logan would win I know you are not a fan and for some reason think logan does not show skills, but he does and he has taken it too some of the best martial artist in marvel. He beat DD in a fist fight in 3 pannels, he beat shang-chi in 5 pannels. He beat razor fist in 10 pannels. He has shown up capt. He done more martial art skills then many give me credit. He has taken it to a guy who stomped IF. He taken it to Black Panther. He taken it to many very very skilled martial artist That's not true, Elite hand ninja's are very skilled. Did I say they were not skilled? No I said they are no more skilled then elite hand ninjas which is true. I have never seen that and if that the case they must job hard since there really know way the turtles could be a teleporter. Shredder kicks Wolverine's ass. Maybe maybe not. How ever it does not matter since were not talking about shredder and that was kind of random to bring up. Shang Chi losing to Logan in 5 panels is crap. Why it crap? Because the more skilled more experience better trained fighter came out on top? LOL you say logan beating shang-chi is crap yet you have no problems with Cyclopes beating logan in h2h? Ya if that happen it be the biggest PIS event ever. I no what issue your referring to and no Logan never lost and logan was all fucked in the head at the time. Not really the only real fight they had was a fist fight in which logan dominated DD. all these characters have given him trouble as well, such as who ? and none of these matches matter because they don't go with the thread. The thread is "How would Wolverine fare with just his claws and nothing else. Ya and all the fights I listed ecpt one logan never needed his healing factor. post=1163568495Michaelangelo can dodge and he is a very skilled MA as well, taking on the robots and the Triceratons who were armed. I know I read ninja turtle comics. Now, do I think he wins all of them? No, but I think he can definately win some, I'd give Mikey at least 3/10 (without his potential). What was the point of this post if you agreed with me on the out come? I think mikie takes some wins just not the majority. Logan is skilled but how often does he use it? Very little, you'd be hard pressed to find me Logan's "fighting skill" outside of using descriptive reference. Not really he uses it a lot more then you would think. Oh, and I don't hate Wolverine, I like him alot, but I don't see him as a god with his abilities, I don't see him beating every brawler like people want him to, Who says this? I have no heard this once. I don't see him beating Namor either. That’s your opinion and your welcome to think what ever you want. I don't see him beating those people you listed with only claws. I don't see him beating Captain America with only claws either. I do I find logan more skilled then most all of them. Even in the old shows the turtles have shown superhuman feats such as lifting heavy things, jumping great heights, and hitting things accurately from very far away. I know I am one of the people who have listed feats before. Logan is a Samurai/Ninja, Your forgetting a few like martial artist, soldier, black ops., secret agent ect. and just because he's fought longer doesn't automatically make him better. No how ever it gives him an advantage. "Taking it to them" because he's durable is a different matter entirely. Most of the fights I listed logan took one hit or not a hit at all |
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Nov 16, 2006 20:17:28 GMT -5
You want to take the long route, that is fine by me. But you know my thought on the outcome, so you can choose to post or not as it will just get redundant. You didn’t have to say anything, anyone who reads comics knows that hand ninjas have the lethality of pop tarts, they are jobbers and nothing more, they do nothing but pile up, and rush at an enemy. Hardly even worth a mention in a serious no PIS match. Seeing as elite foot ninja’s give the Turtles some trouble in decent number and can teleport and use mystical elemental abilities I don’t think so. You’d have to be seriously overestimating hand ninja’s to support Logan or seriously underestimating the Elite Foot ninjas to support Logan. Why is that? Nightcrawler teleports and I bet you’d be the first person to argue Logan could beat him, wouldn’t you? The Turtles, unlike Logan have tuned their inner senses to vast superhuman levels that allow them a special sort of detection to beat their enemies. No, Shredder definitely kicks Logan’s ass 10/10, give him any sword and he does it. He’s taken ancient demons and most of the turtles at once, he’s way out of Logan’s league for him to begin thinking about taking, he even knows mystical assaults. No need to give Logan the benefit of the doubt. Healing and fighting skills don’t= a win. So how is that any better than you bringing up a list of people that Logan has beaten, especially when the conditions don’t apply in this fight and they are inaccurate crossovers anyways? This is why I don’t like feat wars because it’s perfectly ok for the person defending Wolverine to bring up everyone he has no business beating, (Hulk, Namor, etc.) but if a person brings up a low feat it gets ignored, or if a person brings a feat in for their character it gets ignored to. I didn’t hear how Logan even won. The question of the thread and the specifics of it imply this is a hypothetical match where it has never happened. Logan is himself with claws and nothing else, and Mikey is himself with his weapons. Mikey has faced worse than claws before and he isn’t slow, so something better will have to come up other than the fact that Logan has lived longer. Yea, Shang Chi definitely is less skilled than Logan, I believe not. Shang relies on nothing BUT his martial abilities and is raised from birth to be the perfect weapon. Plus his spirit abilities? He’s even considered the best in the Ultimate Universe, that’s why it’s crap. Most of Logan’s wins against these people stem off of his popularity no different than Namor, and anyone who just looked objectively could see why the fights are so unfairly written. Logan gets a speed, strength, or whatever advantage to stand against many of his crossover opponents. Crossovers are crap, they should not be used. They are just for sales. Comic debaters know that as common knowledge. I never argued that he would best Logan in h2h alone, but you brought up all of these Logan Feats that didn’t apply to the match and I brought up how Cyclops has and will pretty much always own Logan’s ass in a fair, logical fight. Logan isn’t “dodging all of his hits and then getting one in to win” like some would like him to believe. Which reminds me, Mikey has a ranged attack as well. Another advantage for him. It’s a real fight because Logan was winning? You need to requote this, I’m not sure what you mean. Unless it’s simply quoting what I said above, which is redundant. Very opinion based, and subjective. Cap beats Logan without healing, Cyke definitely beats him in a match like that with his powers, as does Chang, and DD as well. DD is more agile and suited to avoid attacks than Logan, but that’s getting off topic. So do I. You didn’t list an outcome, you said Logan wins because of the usual that he’s older and etc etc. I think Mikie can definitely win more based on circumstances. He does have a ranged weapon as well. You made it look like Mikey hadn’t ever taken on anyone like Logan and Logan is this “undisputed master of fighting” in which noone can prove in consistent comic continuity without using descriptive reference. Not really, he is underwritten in that aspect. The writers would rather crank up his healing and be lazy. Against the recent Namor battle he didn’t, he doesn’t often in Xmen, he usually just pounces and charges forward, mostly because he can afford to get hit. That’s not to say he never uses it, but just not more consistently than he doesn’t. I sure have. As are you. Cap, no. Shang Chi, no. Shredder, no. Turtles, maybe debateable with Leo. Spliner, I’m doubting it. Living longer isn’t skill along. Skill is the application of whatever you do to the degree that you do it depending on what you mean, skill is a very vague term. Logan doesn’t apply his as much because he usually doesn’t need to. So if they cut through large things, and even beat tanks and whatnot, why is it so hard to believe he can’t beat a fighter with claws and nothing else in this matchup? Logically speaking. Martial arts, isn’t a fighting style, none of those are, those are careers. I know semantics well my friend.  Debateable again. Depends on the capacity and potential of the person in question. Ryu hasn’t fought half as long as Logan, and would kick his ass up and down the street, he is a much better fighter as well, different universes have different applications of fighing in fiction. A 20 year old could fight like someone who has done it for 200 years. The Turtles fought several people who had fought for a very long time in the battle nexus tournament. No. |
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Post by kuwabara on Nov 16, 2006 20:54:33 GMT -5
You want to take the long route, that is fine by me. But you know my thought on the outcome, so you can choose to post or not as it will just get redundant. You didn’t have to say anything, anyone who reads comics knows that hand ninjas have the lethality of pop tarts, they are jobbers and nothing more, they do nothing but pile up, and rush at an enemy. Hardly even worth a mention in a serious no PIS match. Seeing as elite foot ninja’s give the Turtles some trouble in decent number and can teleport and use mystical elemental abilities I don’t think so. You’d have to be seriously overestimating hand ninja’s to support Logan or seriously underestimating the Elite Foot ninjas to support Logan. Why is that? Nightcrawler teleports and I bet you’d be the first person to argue Logan could beat him, wouldn’t you? The Turtles, unlike Logan have tuned their inner senses to vast superhuman levels that allow them a special sort of detection to beat their enemies. No, Shredder definitely kicks Logan’s ass 10/10, give him any sword and he does it. He’s taken ancient demons and most of the turtles at once, he’s way out of Logan’s league for him to begin thinking about taking, he even knows mystical assaults. No need to give Logan the benefit of the doubt. Healing and fighting skills don’t= a win. So how is that any better than you bringing up a list of people that Logan has beaten, especially when the conditions don’t apply in this fight and they are inaccurate crossovers anyways? This is why I don’t like feat wars because it’s perfectly ok for the person defending Wolverine to bring up everyone he has no business beating, (Hulk, Namor, etc.) but if a person brings up a low feat it gets ignored, or if a person brings a feat in for their character it gets ignored to. I didn’t hear how Logan even won. The question of the thread and the specifics of it imply this is a hypothetical match where it has never happened. Logan is himself with claws and nothing else, and Mikey is himself with his weapons. Mikey has faced worse than claws before and he isn’t slow, so something better will have to come up other than the fact that Logan has lived longer. Yea, Shang Chi definitely is less skilled than Logan, I believe not. Shang relies on nothing BUT his martial abilities and is raised from birth to be the perfect weapon. Plus his spirit abilities? He’s even considered the best in the Ultimate Universe, that’s why it’s crap. Most of Logan’s wins against these people stem off of his popularity no different than Namor, and anyone who just looked objectively could see why the fights are so unfairly written. Logan gets a speed, strength, or whatever advantage to stand against many of his crossover opponents. Crossovers are crap, they should not be used. They are just for sales. Comic debaters know that as common knowledge. I never argued that he would best Logan in h2h alone, but you brought up all of these Logan Feats that didn’t apply to the match and I brought up how Cyclops has and will pretty much always own Logan’s ass in a fair, logical fight. Logan isn’t “dodging all of his hits and then getting one in to win” like some would like him to believe. Which reminds me, Mikey has a ranged attack as well. Another advantage for him. It’s a real fight because Logan was winning? You need to requote this, I’m not sure what you mean. Unless it’s simply quoting what I said above, which is redundant. Very opinion based, and subjective. Cap beats Logan without healing, Cyke definitely beats him in a match like that with his powers, as does Chang, and DD as well. DD is more agile and suited to avoid attacks than Logan, but that’s getting off topic. So do I. You didn’t list an outcome, you said Logan wins because of the usual that he’s older and etc etc. I think Mikie can definitely win more based on circumstances. He does have a ranged weapon as well. You made it look like Mikey hadn’t ever taken on anyone like Logan and Logan is this “undisputed master of fighting” in which noone can prove in consistent comic continuity without using descriptive reference. Not really, he is underwritten in that aspect. The writers would rather crank up his healing and be lazy. Against the recent Namor battle he didn’t, he doesn’t often in Xmen, he usually just pounces and charges forward, mostly because he can afford to get hit. That’s not to say he never uses it, but just not more consistently than he doesn’t. I sure have. As are you. Cap, no. Shang Chi, no. Shredder, no. Turtles, maybe debateable with Leo. Spliner, I’m doubting it. Living longer isn’t skill along. Skill is the application of whatever you do to the degree that you do it depending on what you mean, skill is a very vague term. Logan doesn’t apply his as much because he usually doesn’t need to. So if they cut through large things, and even beat tanks and whatnot, why is it so hard to believe he can’t beat a fighter with claws and nothing else in this matchup? Logically speaking. Martial arts, isn’t a fighting style, none of those are, those are careers. I know semantics well my friend. Debateable again. Depends on the capacity and potential of the person in question. Ryu hasn’t fought half as long as Logan, and would kick his ass up and down the street, he is a much better fighter as well, different universes have different applications of fighing in fiction. A 20 year old could fight like someone who has done it for 200 years. The Turtles fought several people who had fought for a very long time in the battle nexus tournament. No. \ that was a little harsh. 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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Nov 16, 2006 20:59:26 GMT -5
Dude, sorry if that came off harsh. I hate featwars with friends for that reason online, something always gets taken the wrong way. I think I've made my point and it's getting redundant. |
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Post by Psyquis52 on Nov 17, 2006 0:51:49 GMT -5
I thought I already posted here but I guess not.
I backup Mikey.
He can take Wolvie-boy.
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Post by kuwabara on Nov 21, 2006 19:47:02 GMT -5
I thought I already posted here but I guess not. I backup Mikey. He can take Wolvie-boy. not for the majority and certainly not if logan had his healing factor |
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Post by Psyquis52 on Nov 21, 2006 23:30:04 GMT -5
I thought I already posted here but I guess not. I backup Mikey. He can take Wolvie-boy. not for the majority and certainly not if logan had his healing factor WE DISAGREE!!!! #pumpfist# |
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Nov 22, 2006 8:37:00 GMT -5
Logan doesn't have his healing factor...  |
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Post by Psyquis52 on Nov 23, 2006 1:20:14 GMT -5
It doesn't matter.
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Nov 23, 2006 2:21:12 GMT -5
You think he beats him even with it?
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Post by Psyquis52 on Nov 23, 2006 2:33:13 GMT -5
Wolverine sans claws + healing factor should not be able to defeat Mikey.
My reason?
I believe Mikey to be stronger, more agile, and harder to hurt.
I'm not sure how much of a skill difference is between them but it shouldn't be significant enough to make much of a difference.
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Nov 23, 2006 8:55:14 GMT -5
Wolverine sans claws + healing factor should not be able to defeat Mikey. My reason? I believe Mikey to be stronger, more agile, and harder to hurt. I'm not sure how much of a skill difference is between them but it shouldn't be significant enough to make much of a difference. I thought you meant with them, if that was the case I would argue the opposite...  |
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Post by Magic attack on Nov 27, 2006 19:09:02 GMT -5
I dont understand the feat wars that was going on earlier, as most of the feats are contrary to the specifics of this thread.
So bascally this is just a skilled warrior with six protruding knives from his hands?
Hmmmm. I havent read anything from the more recent TMNT series, so if the Turtles have had some major upgrade that I dont know about... I am sorry, but I tend to give it to Wolverine 6/10.
I dont put Wolverine on Shredder's skill level, but Wolverine is more skilled than 1 Turtle.
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Nov 28, 2006 11:15:24 GMT -5
I can go with that.... I would give him more skill than Mikey, but Leo has taken on the Shredder himself and won. But I can agree on average, the Turtles have taken guys that would chump Wolverine and vice versa, but that's why I hate feat wars anyways.
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