Superman vs. Goku

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Hotly debated topic. Who wins & why?

[Psyquis52]

Superman because he's not going to wait for Goku to power up all the way.







Just Kidding. If what they say about Goku is correct in the Anime then he's too powerful for Darkseid.

He's deflected blows or blasts that would destroy the planet and he moves incredibly fast although it's not really possible to track just how fast.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

psyquis52 said:

Superman because he's not going to wait for Goku to power up all the way.







Just Kidding. If what they say about Goku is correct in the Anime then he's too powerful for Darkseid.

He's deflected blows or blasts that would destroy the planet and he moves incredibly fast although it's not really possible to track just how fast.

Well I keep reading Superman Supporters saying he can outrun a blackhole over and over, but I guess a Goku blended with the wish giving dragon is too much- he can do anything he wants! So I guess I'd have it at SSJ3 or something. I don't see someone like Superman being too hard for Goku to beat (if I were to watch his copy on the show), but then again Supes fans would say Goku is just a tool.

[Psyquis52]

That's why Superman fanboys are all eunichs.

[priest]

goku wins this quite easilly.. The DBZ fighter are can travel light speeds easilly, while fighting, even before goku fought freeza, they were capable of traveling at vast speeds.. I see Goku at a level of at least a high end herald. Goku kicks his supermans as.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

priest said:

goku wins this quite easilly.. The DBZ fighter are can travel light speeds easilly, while fighting, even before goku fought freeza, they were capable of traveling at vast speeds.. I see Goku at a level of at least a high end herald. Goku kicks his supermans as.

But Superman did escape a double black hole. ;D

[priest]

admin said:

priest said:

goku wins this quite easilly.. The DBZ fighter are can travel light speeds easilly, while fighting, even before goku fought freeza, they were capable of traveling at vast speeds.. I see Goku at a level of at least a high end herald. Goku kicks his supermans as.

But Superman did escape a double black hole. ;D

Superman duribility is impressive, but gokus abilities do out weigh superman. Lazer vission is not stopping goku from blowing him up with consecutive planet busting shots of energy.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

priest said:

admin said:

But Superman did escape a double black hole. ;D

Superman duribility is impressive, but gokus abilities do out weigh superman. Lazer vission is not stopping goku from blowing him up with consecutive planet busting shots of energy.

A counter-argument for that would be that those blasts were aimed at the Earth's core.

[Psyquis52]

I love those arguements. They are so bogus.

[newjak]

Well to be fair DB is often labeled inconsistenly in its feats and I firmly believe that DBZ characters have always been lacking in strength.

Let me point out that in the series Goku's fastest mode of moving is his Instant Transmission which he only described as going light speed while superman goes in multiudes of lightspeed.

Goku was once training with King Kai when the other Kai showed up with a guy in a funny chef's hat. Goku at the time was stated as only containing 40 tons on each limb and had to go Super Saiyan to move at normal speeds with the weight. Superman is a planet mover.

Durability wise DB characters have some good feats but Superman has taken planet busting shots before with ease.

So physically I always give Superman the big advantage because DB characters just never have to show that level of ability.

Energy ability wise the DB guys have Superman in Spades although I don't see their attacks hurting someone who has held a miniture black hole in his hands before.

Superman has also hurled Moosized ships lightyears away before.

I would say Superman takes it more foten than not if not a 10/10 because I really don't see a way for Goku to hurt the Man of Steel.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

This is more of a fanboy thread to me, the Supes supporters claim Goku can do nothing, and DB characters claim Superman can do nothing. Superman is way more inconsistent, but the fanboys just use the most ridiculous feats to make the character skyfather, when he loses to someone like Surfer. Planet destroying blasts hurt him if characters like Doomsday hurt him. Holding a black hole makes no kind of sense whatsoever. And DBZ characters WERE recorded to go light speed, but Superman has crazy feats as well, even though he's not even supposed to be truly past lightspeed, people make him thousands of times that. But couldn't Goku at the end of the series just wish him away? It's a cheap victory but one nonetheless.

I could see myself mentioning that at the other forum and Batdude saying, "no that won't work" lol.

My views change, sometimes I want to say Superman, and other times Goku.

[newjak]

admin said:

This is more of a fanboy thread to me, the Supes supporters claim Goku can do nothing, and DB characters claim Superman can do nothing. Superman is way more inconsistent, but the fanboys just use the most ridiculous feats to make the character skyfather, when he loses to someone like Surfer. Planet destroying blasts hurt him if characters like Doomsday hurt him. Holding a black hole makes no kind of sense whatsoever. And DBZ characters WERE recorded to go light speed, but Superman has crazy feats as well, even though he's not even supposed to be truly past lightspeed, people make him thousands of times that. But couldn't Goku at the end of the series just wish him away? It's a cheap victory but one nonetheless.

I could see myself mentioning that at the other forum and Batdude saying, "no that won't work" lol.

My views change, sometimes I want to say Superman, and other times Goku.

Doomsday is a bonna fide team wrecker.

Superman has also flown through and busted up moon sized objects with ease Doomsday just can't fly otherwise he would be able to do more.

I've always found DB characters to be more inconsistent then Supes because translation errors occur and some stuff is added to make their feats sound good. Like when Goku fought his brother Piccilo avoided an attack and said he had to move lightspeed to do that. Many people have told me that this is a translation error and that wasn't what was said especially when Goku has admitted his fastest mode of transport much later in the series was instant transimission that only goes lightspeed.

Goku has struggled past the frieza series with having only 40 tons on each limb but he has moved a small mountain sized object that probably weighed thousands of pounds.

Supes ha s normal leve which is far above this but then again he also has his way out there feats that take him far pas that.

The wishing idea could work

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

newjak said:

admin said:

This is more of a fanboy thread to me, the Supes supporters claim Goku can do nothing, and DB characters claim Superman can do nothing. Superman is way more inconsistent, but the fanboys just use the most ridiculous feats to make the character skyfather, when he loses to someone like Surfer. Planet destroying blasts hurt him if characters like Doomsday hurt him. Holding a black hole makes no kind of sense whatsoever. And DBZ characters WERE recorded to go light speed, but Superman has crazy feats as well, even though he's not even supposed to be truly past lightspeed, people make him thousands of times that. But couldn't Goku at the end of the series just wish him away? It's a cheap victory but one nonetheless.

I could see myself mentioning that at the other forum and Batdude saying, "no that won't work" lol.

My views change, sometimes I want to say Superman, and other times Goku.

Doomsday is a bonna fide team wrecker.

Superman has also flown through and busted up moon sized objects with ease Doomsday just can't fly otherwise he would be able to do more.

I've always found DB characters to be more inconsistent then Supes because translation errors occur and some stuff is added to make their feats sound good. Like when Goku fought his brother Piccilo avoided an attack and said he had to move lightspeed to do that. Many people have told me that this is a translation error and that wasn't what was said especially when Goku has admitted his fastest mode of transport much later in the series was instant transimission that only goes lightspeed.

Goku has struggled past the frieza series with having only 40 tons on each limb but he has moved a small mountain sized object that probably weighed thousands of pounds.

Supes ha s normal leve which is far above this but then again he also has his way out there feats that take him far pas that.

The wishing idea could work

And Superman getting owned by Batman? Goku would have no problem with him. DBZ IS inconsistent making it a pain to argue, but the guy shook the earth by moving. That would be like listing all of Superman's low feats. Alot of his feats just don't make sense, especially post crisis, you can't just move atmosphere's with your hand, you'd need tactical telekinesis. Characters like Buu destroyed much of the Solar System with no problem, aside from the wishing trick, I just really can't put my finger on one side.

[newjak]

admin said:

newjak said:

Doomsday is a bonna fide team wrecker.

Superman has also flown through and busted up moon sized objects with ease Doomsday just can't fly otherwise he would be able to do more.

I've always found DB characters to be more inconsistent then Supes because translation errors occur and some stuff is added to make their feats sound good. Like when Goku fought his brother Piccilo avoided an attack and said he had to move lightspeed to do that. Many people have told me that this is a translation error and that wasn't what was said especially when Goku has admitted his fastest mode of transport much later in the series was instant transimission that only goes lightspeed.

Goku has struggled past the frieza series with having only 40 tons on each limb but he has moved a small mountain sized object that probably weighed thousands of pounds.

Supes ha s normal leve which is far above this but then again he also has his way out there feats that take him far pas that.

The wishing idea could work

And Superman getting owned by Batman? Goku would have no problem with him. DBZ IS inconsistent making it a pain to argue, but the guy shook the earth by moving. That would be like listing all of Superman's low feats. Alot of his feats just don't make sense, especially post crisis, you can't just move atmosphere's with your hand, you'd need tactical telekinesis. Characters like Buu destroyed much of the Solar System with no problem, aside from the wishing trick, I just really can't put my finger on one side.

Cause he's Batman

Plus there is the whole K-Nite thing Batman has going for him. I know Goku has some good feats but none really surpass Superman's high end feats and most don't even really pass his normal showings either for physical power. Now yes Goku's energy powers are outstanding far exceding Superman's variety but Supes HV and Ice Breath have been shown to still be quite powerful.

Plus by stated speeds Supes is still a good deal faster and by stated strength feats Supes is still a ton stronger.

Believe me I know good deal about both characters but even with incosistent writings on Goku the high showings aren't enough to really give him any physical advantage over Supes

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

I wouldn't give him a regular physical advantage over supes because he doesn't use all of it anyways, Goku is by far the more skilled fighter. Superman uses brute strength because he's a flying brick.

Fanboys would even argue Kryptonite not working. Supes has his high and low showings, as well as Goku.

[newjak]

admin said:

I wouldn't give him a regular physical advantage over supes because he doesn't use all of it anyways, Goku is by far the more skilled fighter. Superman uses brute strength because he's a flying brick.

Fanboys would even argue Kryptonite not working. Supes has his high and low showings, as well as Goku.

I agree Goku is by far the better fighter but normal showings have Supes the better physically and even Goku's high showings barely go past Supes Normal showings and none of them go past his high showings.

That and Supes doesn't tire from using to much energy so he doesn't get drained he may tire but he isn't drained to the point where he looses the ability to do feats unlike Goku who can only be going full go for so long without loosing tons of energy

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

newjak said:

admin said:

I wouldn't give him a regular physical advantage over supes because he doesn't use all of it anyways, Goku is by far the more skilled fighter. Superman uses brute strength because he's a flying brick.

Fanboys would even argue Kryptonite not working. Supes has his high and low showings, as well as Goku.

I agree Goku is by far the better fighter but normal showings have Supes the better physically and even Goku's high showings barely go past Supes Normal showings and none of them go past his high showings.

That and Supes doesn't tire from using to much energy so he doesn't get drained he may tire but he isn't drained to the point where he looses the ability to do feats unlike Goku who can only be going full go for so long without loosing tons of energy

His later incarnations usually allow him to fight longer without expending so much, this match shouldn't last long, unless it's in the DBZ universe.

[newjak]

admin said:

newjak said:

I agree Goku is by far the better fighter but normal showings have Supes the better physically and even Goku's high showings barely go past Supes Normal showings and none of them go past his high showings.

That and Supes doesn't tire from using to much energy so he doesn't get drained he may tire but he isn't drained to the point where he looses the ability to do feats unlike Goku who can only be going full go for so long without loosing tons of energy

His later incarnations usually allow him to fight longer without expending so much, this match shouldn't last long, unless it's in the DBZ universe.

I could see this match going a pretty good distance. Even though I think Supes outclasses Goku physically Goku still has a lot of powerful energy attacks to keep Supes at bay although I don't see any of them actually beating them and Goku should be able to take the abuse Supes dishes out until he bgeins to tire

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

newjak said:

admin said:

His later incarnations usually allow him to fight longer without expending so much, this match shouldn't last long, unless it's in the DBZ universe.

I could see this match going a pretty good distance. Even though I think Supes outclasses Goku physically Goku still has a lot of powerful energy attacks to keep Supes at bay although I don't see any of them actually beating them and Goku should be able to take the abuse Supes dishes out until he bgeins to tire

Hmm, perhaps. But who would cut loose first? They are both pretty similar in morals.

[newjak]

admin said:

newjak said:

I could see this match going a pretty good distance. Even though I think Supes outclasses Goku physically Goku still has a lot of powerful energy attacks to keep Supes at bay although I don't see any of them actually beating them and Goku should be able to take the abuse Supes dishes out until he bgeins to tire

Hmm, perhaps. But who would cut loose first? They are both pretty similar in morals.

I would say Goku would go all out first just because he has a more warrior mentality to him so the idea of going all out a against someone closer isn't to far off for him while Supes always holds back even if the person is close to him.

[kuwabara]

it was 40tons on each arm and leg. That was with out king kia planet which ways 10 times that of earths whcih means it was 400 tons + 400 tons + 400 tons +400 tons =1600 tons in sayin form.

[newjak]

kuwabara said:

it was 40tons on each arm and leg. That was with out king kia planet which ways 10 times that of earths whcih means it was 400 tons + 400 tons + 400 tons +400 tons =1600 tons in sayin form.

I thought King Kia's planet was only three times Earth's gravity I could be wrong tho?

Anyway the point is that the weight that you mentioned is still just chump weight to Superman on a bad day espeically since he commonly can lift air-craft carriers or Jumbo Jets with ease. And he has moved the moon and he has moved Earth before

[kuwabara]

newjak said:

kuwabara said:

I thought King Kia's planet was only three times Earth's gravity I could be wrong tho?

No it 10 times it I pretty positive.

newjak said:

kuwabara said:

Anyway the point is that the weight that you mentioned is still just chump weight to Superman on a bad day espeically since he commonly can lift air-craft carriers or Jumbo Jets with ease. And he has moved the moon and he has moved Earth before

Yes how ever in super sayin form he aleast double his original strength so that what 3200tons.

Now that was back when he was only able to go super sayin level 1. Now he is at least 3 times his original sayin strength in sayin form which would now be 4800tons in sayin form. Super sayin in double to 9600tons. In super sayin level two it double to 19200tons which would double again when level 3 which put him at 38400tons. That is me giving far less credit then I should it likely he many times that strength.


Not to mention instant transmission is far beyond light speed he go to to the farthest planet in a mere second.

[newjak]

kuwabara said:

newjak said:

No it 10 times it I pretty positive.

newjak said:

kuwabara said:

Anyway the point is that the weight that you mentioned is still just chump weight to Superman on a bad day espeically since he commonly can lift air-craft carriers or Jumbo Jets with ease. And he has moved the moon and he has moved Earth before

Yes how ever in super sayin form he aleast double his original strength so that what 3200tons.

Now that was back when he was only able to go super sayin level 1. Now he is at least 3 times his original sayin strength in sayin form which would now be 4800tons in sayin form. Super sayin in double to 9600tons. In super sayin level two it double to 19200tons which would double again when level 3 which put him at 38400tons. That is me giving far less credit then I should it likely he many times that strength.


Not to mention instant transmission is far beyond light speed he go to to the farthest planet in a mere second.

And that is still far below Superman average showing wise. Instant Transmission by Goku's word of mouth is only lightspeed and even if you want to look at the mechanics Superman has flown from the sun back to Earth in a few seconds and has traversed to the end of the Galaxy which puts at many many times the multiple of lightspeed

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

kuwabara said:

newjak said:

No it 10 times it I pretty positive.

newjak said:

kuwabara said:

Anyway the point is that the weight that you mentioned is still just chump weight to Superman on a bad day espeically since he commonly can lift air-craft carriers or Jumbo Jets with ease. And he has moved the moon and he has moved Earth before

Yes how ever in super sayin form he aleast double his original strength so that what 3200tons.

Now that was back when he was only able to go super sayin level 1. Now he is at least 3 times his original sayin strength in sayin form which would now be 4800tons in sayin form. Super sayin in double to 9600tons. In super sayin level two it double to 19200tons which would double again when level 3 which put him at 38400tons. That is me giving far less credit then I should it likely he many times that strength.


Not to mention instant transmission is far beyond light speed he go to to the farthest planet in a mere second.

I actually agree on plenty of this information, why the writers don't follow what they say on their own characters is absurd. But DBZ wasn't the level of the comic that the others are and probably don't worry about consistency as much.

[nikkolas]

Superman...hm. The guy who can sneeze away solar systems and travel from the Earth to another galaxy, save a planet, then get back to Earth in the middle of a conversation with Lois so fast that she did not even perceive him to have moved, who can time travel at will, travel at an infinite velocity, drag a chain of hundreds of planets from one galaxy to another, hear things in other galaxies and phase through red sunlight

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

nikkolas said:

Superman...hm. The guy who can sneeze away solar systems and travel from the Earth to another galaxy, save a planet, then get back to Earth in the middle of a conversation with Lois so fast that she did not even perceive him to have moved, who can time travel at will, travel at an infinite velocity, drag a chain of hundreds of planets from one galaxy to another, hear things in other galaxies and phase through red sunlight

You're not bringing up anything precrisis are you?

[nikkolas]

That is all PC but the opening post did not say which Supes this is.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

nikkolas said:

That is all PC but the opening post did not say which Supes this is.

Well precrisis isn't usually canon or in use unless specified otherwise.

[darthrevan]

Doesn't Superman get his powers because the color of the sun? So if there were on a different planet in a different solar system, Superman would be a weakling. I'm not sure because I do not like Superman. Plus, if Superman is so tuff how come in the old show he took all the bullets, but dodged the gun the bad guys tossed?

I would think the planet would be a lot harder to move than a train. Why does he struggle to stop a train, but he is still able to move the planet.?