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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Aug 17, 2008 23:43:04 GMT -5
Sorry about that, I won't bring up those ownings anymore.  Anyways, the challenging part is always bringing up game mechanics vs. story line. |
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Post by JACK-2 on Aug 18, 2008 12:47:49 GMT -5
We can do it, since we actually have brains mane.  |
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Aug 19, 2008 22:30:54 GMT -5
We can do it, since we actually have brains mane. Well at any rate I believe that Nightmare wins on gameplay aspects along, unless someone has something to add or begs to differ. |
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Post by JACK-2 on Aug 20, 2008 11:20:56 GMT -5
You don't think Mishima Ryu can cut it against Nightmare?
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Aug 21, 2008 17:23:36 GMT -5
You don't think Mishima Ryu can cut it against Nightmare? Gameplay wise? Am I missing something? |
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Post by JACK-2 on Aug 22, 2008 17:05:06 GMT -5
Gameplay wise? Am I missing something? I mean in general. |
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Aug 22, 2008 17:44:43 GMT -5
Gameplay wise? Am I missing something? I mean in general. Oh I was just talking in terms of gameplay that I thought Nightmare won. |
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Post by JACK-2 on Aug 24, 2008 16:59:16 GMT -5
WHAT?!?! *Lools around....* Well what? I dunno... Abyss is a monster, purely gameplay speaking he's faster and stronger than Zas, who can be a broken bastard at times in his own right... But Abyss with Unblockable Projectiles, Aura attacks and the like plus insane range is going to make it incredibly difficult for the Mishima's to close the gap. Same could be said for Nightmare, although a little slower, Nightmare's launchers and juggles are dangerous, plus his autocounters... I dunno... Nothing in the Mishima's arsenal short of lasers is going to get through the insane weapon range... Hm, The Mishima's have some pretty powerful projectile attacks. Devil's for instance could KO Heihachi with a force bolt, the same Heihachi that was conscious after being blasted by a nuke [ You can hear him screaming as he's blown away]. They can also use energy with Raijin or turn into devils and use their projectiles. |
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Post by Darkstorm Zero on Aug 25, 2008 1:08:30 GMT -5
Eh, it's still way out there... Have a look at Zas's magics, or Nightmare's overwhelming destructive presense.
Hypothetically, since this matchup does allow the option of using Night Terror... then Nightmare would have the full and complete Soul Edge (Soul Calubur included) Right?
Err... No, the sheer level of power both swords combined grant Nightmare a huge degree of power, even if we disreguard the Night Terror Transformation...
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Post by warmunger on Aug 25, 2008 13:14:12 GMT -5
Nightmare. He has them beat in almost every way, may-b except speed. But the again, I have never seen any of the Mishsimas pull off a real speed feat either.
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Aug 27, 2008 10:08:56 GMT -5
Eh, it's still way out there... Have a look at Zas's magics, or Nightmare's overwhelming destructive presense. Hypothetically, since this matchup does allow the option of using Night Terror... then Nightmare would have the full and complete Soul Edge (Soul Calubur included) Right? Err... No, the sheer level of power both swords combined grant Nightmare a huge degree of power, even if we disreguard the Night Terror Transformation... Which is why I at least give him the gameplay advantage. |
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Post by JACK-2 on Aug 27, 2008 18:01:20 GMT -5
Eh, it's still way out there... Have a look at Zas's magics, or Nightmare's overwhelming destructive presense. Hm, well we've seen Abyss destroy a country-side with meteors and other calamities simply by appearing. Nightmare has destroy an entire army using AOE attack. I see what your getting at. Hypothetically, since this matchup does allow the option of using Night Terror... then Nightmare would have the full and complete Soul Edge (Soul Calubur included) Right? Err... No, the sheer level of power both swords combined grant Nightmare a huge degree of power, even if we disreguard the Night Terror Transformation... Soul Calibur is only allowed during the Transformation of Night Terror. What about the hypothetical transformations when each Devil absorbs the others power? We've seen Devil Kazuya cause the entire Mishima compound and the entire area surrounding it to vanish after absorbing Jins power, Jinpaichi allegedly caused a dark age after reaching his final form power, and Devil Jin cause a AOE attack that possibly destroyed the entire area that Jinpaichi was residing after absorbing his power. Not to mention the Kazama power or Angel and the entire Tekken Force: All together are they at the very least a threat to Base Nightmare and Abyss? |
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Post by Darkstorm Zero on Aug 30, 2008 1:41:00 GMT -5
Base Nightmare maybe... (A pretty big maybe actually)
But Abyss? No chance... Because the very thing that enabled the Abyss transform was also the energy of both swords... *Shrug*
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Post by JACK-2 on Aug 30, 2008 13:55:25 GMT -5
So, how do you see this fight going down in detail?
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Post by warmunger on Aug 30, 2008 16:47:44 GMT -5
I would just like to no what Xactly can the Mishimas do 2 hurt Nightmare or Abyss? And is Night Terror in this?
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Post by Darkstorm Zero on Aug 30, 2008 16:54:02 GMT -5
I'll post a blow by blow later, sleep time...
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Post by JACK-2 on Aug 30, 2008 17:07:17 GMT -5
I would just like to no what Xactly can the Mishimas do 2 hurt Nightmare or Abyss? And is Night Terror in this? That's what we are trying to figure out. Mishima's have alot of power on their own, but it doesn't seem like it's on par with Soul Edge team. |
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Post by warmunger on Sept 9, 2008 11:31:49 GMT -5
Will 1 of their punches even hurt him? I don't think so, they don't have many REALLY powerful feats.
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Post by JACK-2 on Sept 9, 2008 11:50:14 GMT -5
If you mean in comparison to Soul Edge beings then I agree, but if you mean in general than I disagree. . .I posted their feats on the first page, have a look. |
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Sept 13, 2008 1:11:34 GMT -5
Will 1 of their punches even hurt him? I don't think so, they don't have many REALLY powerful feats. They do, but can they just do them casually? |
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Post by JACK-2 on Sept 13, 2008 17:32:19 GMT -5
They do, but can they just do them casually? Ignoring fanboy arguments, they need access to the full Devil Gene in order to release most of their High-end feats. |
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Sept 14, 2008 20:07:42 GMT -5
They do, but can they just do them casually? Ignoring fanboy arguments, they need access to the full Devil Gene in order to release their High-end feats. Which is what I figured. |
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Post by violent2dope on Sept 29, 2008 18:41:49 GMT -5
Feats over speculation.
Thing about SC is other than Nightmare, Siegfried, Algol, and a few others, none of them really have any feats.
The Mishimas trump them in that regard.
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Post by JACK-2 on Sept 29, 2008 19:10:53 GMT -5
Hey V2D True, but speculation is important in debates as well. Just looking for the biggest baddest feats doesn't put stuff into perspective. Thing about SC is other than Nightmare, Siegfried, Algol, and a few others, none of them really have any feats. The Mishimas trump them in that regard. I can't agree with that we've seen Nightmare send a shockwave that take down armies, Possibly destroying the world, Night terror destroy immortals, Abyss destroy a country-side with meteor's, clashes between SC and SE has destroyed a country, Soul Edge contain it's universe within the blade, and I think Alogl created duplicates of SC and SE plus a tower with his mind. |
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Post by violent2dope on Sept 29, 2008 19:48:49 GMT -5
NM took down a small army with a shockwave, true. Possibly destroying world? Never happened. Never even implied to, at least not in one shot. NT killed an immortal...K? And? That's not really a power feat to say he can kill the Mishimas. Abyss destroyed a country-side with meteors? When? A clash between NM and Siegfried wielding their weapons destroyed a castle, not a country, still impressive though. Containing a universe in a blade is not a battle feat.
But yeah, Algol is the shit, I agree. Dude blocked a full power Soul Edge with his bare hands and shattered it.
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Post by JACK-2 on Sept 29, 2008 19:58:27 GMT -5
Possibly destroying world? Never happened. Never even implied to, at least not in one shot. Well, if it happened the story would be over. I'm just saying in certain conditions he could. But, It's definitely not in one shot. I just remembered that he needs to destroy SC first in order to release that kind of power. NT killed an immortal...K? And? That's not really a power feat to say he can kill the Mishimas. Look at it this way, do you think anyone of them could survive Night Terrors assault if it can kill someone who cannot even die. Abyss destroyed a country-side with meteors? When? When he transforms we see the area being destroyed by meteors. . .Speculation BTW. Containing a universe in a blade is not a battle feat. I think it shows some sort of reality bending properties. Like how Algol can duplicate SC & SE or create that tower. . . I could be wrong. A clash between NM and Siegfried wielding their weapons destroyed a castle, not a country. Actually, it was the country I'll look for a source. Edit: My mistake I think the clash sent shockwaves around the world |
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Oct 1, 2008 0:40:14 GMT -5
Feats over speculation. Thing about SC is other than Nightmare, Siegfried, Algol, and a few others, none of them really have any feats. The Mishimas trump them in that regard. I think you also have to consider it a question mark if you're going by a lack of them because it isn't a definite that either is stronger by that regard. |
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Post by violent2dope on Oct 1, 2008 19:31:54 GMT -5
Possibly destroying world? Never happened. Never even implied to, at least not in one shot. Well, if it happened the story would be over. I'm just saying in certain conditions he could. But, It's definitely not in one shot. I just remembered that he needs to destroy SC first in order to release that kind of power. Look at it this way, do you think anyone of them could survive Night Terrors assault if it can kill someone who cannot even die. When he transforms we see the area being destroyed by meteors. . .Speculation BTW. I think it shows some sort of reality bending properties. Like how Algol can duplicate SC & SE or create that tower. . . I could be wrong. A clash between NM and Siegfried wielding their weapons destroyed a castle, not a country. Actually, it was the country I'll look for a source. Edit: My mistake I think the clash sent shockwaves around the world 1. ...Well it was stated that Jinpachi could too, and Jin beat him.  I mean...Being a powerful superhuman, and destroying all the normal people in a planet is not that impressive IMO to be honest... 2. Yeah. Considering that any character in SC can IN A CUTSCENE. Also, NT blindsided him. 3. ...You mean inside the dimension in Soul Edge? 4. Well, Algol is also canonically the single strongest character in SC, even while human he would at least be top tier. No one short of Olcadan can claim to be able to shatter Soul Edge physically, and Algol did it to a full power one. Also, the entire reason the dimension exists is to house Inferno. 5. I don't remember that, I remember the Evil Seed spread corruption on a planetary scale, but that is it. Although Siegfried and Nightmare are a rare breed in SC, they have quantifiable feats. |
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Post by JACK-2 on Oct 3, 2008 17:47:48 GMT -5
Wassup V2D 1. I think Nightmare could do more than just wipe out humanity. Maybe he could destroy the surface of the planet since in that ending his flames engulf the world. Jinpaichi is only stated to have the power to wipe out humanity at his highest form. As for Jin beating him, well who doesn't he beat? Jins Jobber Aura makes Superman jealous. 2.Which cutscene and I doubt Blindsiding wouldn't effect immortality. :\ 3. No, the level you fight Zasamael on: It isn't inside the blade. 4. Yeah, we discussed the dimension back at KMC. 5. Yeah, they definitely do which is why this fight is good in contrast too Ivy and Astaroth back in the Kmc thread. . .They stand no chance. I think you also have to consider it a question mark if you're going by a lack of them because it isn't a definite that either is stronger by that regard. Great point, I wish most versus forums realized this. |
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Post by violent2dope on Oct 10, 2008 22:55:01 GMT -5
Feats over speculation. Thing about SC is other than Nightmare, Siegfried, Algol, and a few others, none of them really have any feats. The Mishimas trump them in that regard. I think you also have to consider it a question mark if you're going by a lack of them because it isn't a definite that either is stronger by that regard. Sure, I can assume that Ivy, Astaroth, and Cervantes are stronger even though they lack feats, but I don't. Wait, no sorry. They do have feats. Astaroth was killed by Maxi, Ivy lost to Taki, and Cervantes at his strongest lost to Sophitia. Those are their feats. Whoa. |
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I mean...Being a powerful superhuman, and destroying all the normal people in a planet is not that impressive IMO to be honest...