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Post by violent2dope on Oct 10, 2008 23:02:23 GMT -5
Wassup V2D  1. I think Nightmare could do more than just wipe out humanity. Maybe he could destroy the surface of the planet since in that ending his flames engulf the world. Jinpaichi is only stated to have the power to wipe out humanity at his highest form. As for Jin beating him, well who doesn't he beat? Jins Jobber Aura makes Superman jealous. 2.Which cutscene and I doubt Blindsiding wouldn't effect immortality. :\ 3. No, the level you fight Zasamael on: It isn't inside the blade. 4. Yeah, we discussed the dimension back at KMC. 5. Yeah, they definitely do which is why this fight is good in contrast too Ivy and Astaroth back in the Kmc thread. . .They stand no chance. I think you also have to consider it a question mark if you're going by a lack of them because it isn't a definite that either is stronger by that regard. Great point, I wish most versus forums realized this. Sup. @$$-copout-tard. (hope you get the reference).  1. Possibly, with alot of souls, a full power Soul Edge, and stuff. If it was that easy...Why trek continents fighting armies and eating souls? And don't get me wrong, I don't buy Sado's biased bullshit Jinpachi wanking, I think NM is stronger, but NM can't solo the whole field. 2. The one right before you fight him, when he fires his laza(Shoop Da Woop). No, it would not, but Zasalamel could not fight back either since he was blindsided. 3. You are talking about that same meteor going by in the distance right? Should we assume that Sephiroth can use his supernova and destroy a solar system and make a sun go supernova? The answer is no. If the full power of Soul Edge and Soul Calibur can do that...Why would Algol need to fight anyone? Considering he has the power of both the blades(more actually). And are you sure it was not in the blade? 4. Yeah I know. 5. ...Wut? |
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Post by JACK-2 on Oct 11, 2008 1:58:03 GMT -5
Sup. @$$-copout-tard. (hope you get the reference). 1. Possibly, with alot of souls, a full power Soul Edge, and stuff. If it was that easy...Why trek continents fighting armies and eating souls? And don't get me wrong, I don't buy Sado's biased bullshit Jinpachi wanking, I think NM is stronger, but NM can't solo the whole field. 2. The one right before you fight him, when he fires his laza(Shoop Da Woop). No, it would not, but Zasalamel could not fight back either since he was blindsided. 3. You are talking about that same meteor going by in the distance right? Should we assume that Sephiroth can use his supernova and destroy a solar system and make a sun go supernova? The answer is no. If the full power of Soul Edge and Soul Calibur can do that...Why would Algol need to fight anyone? Considering he has the power of both the blades(more actually). And are you sure it was not in the blade? 4. ...Wut? What references?! 1. You have a great point, I forgot he feeds on souls. I think it depends on how much shards of the fragmented Soul Edge and souls he collects. But, in his ending he wasn't even at full power when he destroys the world. That is to say he didn't have all the shards [seeing that if he had all the shards he would be Night Terror]. To be fair we've seen him display power that effects things on a planetary scale [seeding event]. I doubt he can do it casual, but I cannot say for sure how it works. I doubt he can solo the whole team of devils at full power. He can give them hell on his own, though. 2. Perhaps maybe not all his attacks could kill immortals, but the one that kills Zasamael for sure would kill a majority of people. Also, I see what your saying about being blindsided, but I was making a case for Night Terrors attack power and not his power over Zasamael. Your right about him being Blindsided. So, we cannot say for sure who is stronger and we definitely cannot use that as an example. [Though, I wasn't trying too] 3. I made another mistake about Algol. He absorbed some of the power of SC & SE. Which allowed him to revive a tad bit, but he needs more of it's power in order to be able to resurrect permanently. That's why he fights. But, we cannot say for sure if he succeeds or not until the epilogue is published And isn't Sephiroth summoning a meteor part of his ultimate plan . . .correct me if I'm wrong. I doubt Sephiroth can do it casually or even use it to his advantage. Seems more like a suicide attack that kills everyone. Also, Algol has done more impressive stuff than Abyss/ Zasamael like creating entire locations with his power: Tower of Remembrance and creating his replacement body, hell Nightmare has done more impressive stuff than that [Seeding event] and it caused natural disasters like storm clouds. I don't see it as a big deal at all. Honestly, there are tons of things I did not know on the soul series. Chaos is inferno's realm, but he is eventually banished to Tataros which is basically hell. It can't be inside the blade [Chaos] since it's just the scenery you fight Nightmare on, but in disarray. 4. I mean this fight is better than the KMC one. Which was a slaughter, since Nightmare had so many useless team members. |
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Post by violent2dope on Oct 12, 2008 9:43:48 GMT -5
Sup. @$$-copout-tard. (hope you get the reference). 1. Possibly, with alot of souls, a full power Soul Edge, and stuff. If it was that easy...Why trek continents fighting armies and eating souls? And don't get me wrong, I don't buy Sado's biased bullshit Jinpachi wanking, I think NM is stronger, but NM can't solo the whole field. 2. The one right before you fight him, when he fires his laza(Shoop Da Woop). No, it would not, but Zasalamel could not fight back either since he was blindsided. 3. You are talking about that same meteor going by in the distance right? Should we assume that Sephiroth can use his supernova and destroy a solar system and make a sun go supernova? The answer is no. If the full power of Soul Edge and Soul Calibur can do that...Why would Algol need to fight anyone? Considering he has the power of both the blades(more actually). And are you sure it was not in the blade? 4. ...Wut? What references?! 1. You have a great point, I forgot he feeds on souls. I think it depends on how much shards of the fragmented Soul Edge and souls he collects. But, in his ending he wasn't even at full power when he destroys the world. That is to say he didn't have all the shards [seeing that if he had all the shards he would be Night Terror]. To be fair we've seen him display power that effects things on a planetary scale [seeding event]. I doubt he can do it casual, but I cannot say for sure how it works. I doubt he can solo the whole team of devils at full power. He can give them hell on his own, though. 2. Perhaps maybe not all his attacks could kill immortals, but the one that kills Zasamael for sure would kill a majority of people. Also, I see what your saying about being blindsided, but I was making a case for Night Terrors attack power and not his power over Zasamael. Your right about him being Blindsided. So, we cannot say for sure who is stronger and we definitely cannot use that as an example. [Though, I wasn't trying too] 3. I made another mistake about Algol. He absorbed some of the power of SC & SE. Which allowed him to revive a tad bit, but he needs more of it's power in order to be able to resurrect permanently. That's why he fights. But, we cannot say for sure if he succeeds or not until the epilogue is published And isn't Sephiroth summoning a meteor part of his ultimate plan . . .correct me if I'm wrong. I doubt Sephiroth can do it casually or even use it to his advantage. Seems more like a suicide attack that kills everyone. Also, Algol has done more impressive stuff than Abyss/ Zasamael like creating entire locations with his power: Tower of Remembrance and creating his replacement body, hell Nightmare has done more impressive stuff than that [Seeding event] and it caused natural disasters like storm clouds. I don't see it as a big deal at all. Honestly, there are tons of things I did not know on the soul series. Chaos is inferno's realm, but he is eventually banished to Tataros which is basically hell. It can't be inside the blade [Chaos] since it's just the scenery you fight Nightmare on, but in disarray. 4. I mean this fight is better than the KMC one. Which was a slaughter, since Nightmare had so many useless team members. Aw you didn't get it...It was in the Pyron Respect thread, it was the insult Gears gave you when you pointed out his strawman argument. 1. Actually, in SC4 NM's SE is COMPLETE. When SC and SE clashed in 3, it sent NM into a warp that granted him a new, more powerful body, and it warped all of the SE shards around the world to NM(that's why Cervantes does not use the "female" SE in 4). And NT is formed by the combination of Soul Calibur and Soul Edge. The Seeding Event was indeed planetary and impressive, but I think that was mostly corruption, and the Devils are, you know, already like, corrupted and stuff. 2. It did kill Zasalamel, but Zas is not really an immortal, he is a reincarnate. He dies, but his soul does not pass on. So NT either ate Zas' soul, or just forced it to pass on. If someone has the durability they should still be able to take it. 3. Algol as a mere mortal was above Soul Edge. He shattered it while it was at full power with his bare hands. He blocked the most powerful weapon in the world and shattered it barehandedly while it was being used against him. No, Sephiroth was summoning meteor to wound the planet and then would absorb the lifestream which came out to heal it and become a God. 4. Oh lol. I truthfully am still not sure who is even in this thread.  |
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Post by JACK-2 on Oct 12, 2008 18:06:46 GMT -5
1. Actually, in SC4 NM's SE is COMPLETE. When SC and SE clashed in 3, it sent NM into a warp that granted him a new, more powerful body, and it warped all of the SE shards around the world to NM(that's why Cervantes does not use the "female" SE in 4). And NT is formed by the combination of Soul Calibur and Soul Edge. The Seeding Event was indeed planetary and impressive, but I think that was mostly corruption, and the Devils are, you know, already like, corrupted and stuff. 2. It did kill Zasalamel, but Zas is not really an immortal, he is a reincarnate. He dies, but his soul does not pass on. So NT either ate Zas' soul, or just forced it to pass on. If someone has the durability they should still be able to take it. 3. Algol as a mere mortal was above Soul Edge. He shattered it while it was at full power with his bare hands. He blocked the most powerful weapon in the world and shattered it barehandedly while it was being used against him. No, Sephiroth was summoning meteor to wound the planet and then would absorb the lifestream which came out to heal it and become a God. 4. Oh lol. I truthfully am still not sure who is even in this thread. 1. Well, I didn't know that he has a new body with a complete Soul Edge. Night Terror Wields a complete SE, but I think the original SE was always fused with SC. I'm not sure because I have not followed the story since it jumped shark. as for the seeding event I'm just saying that NM can effect things on a planatery level. But, since we agree that he most likely has to be at full power to destroy the world I guess we can move on. 2. Yeah, I just read up on Zas's reincarnation, I'm honestly oblivious to certain things in the soul series. Well, durability is definitely a factor in resisting. You have a point about Zas's Soul Being abosrbed, that would make sense. He might not even need Night Terror for that, since Nightmare can absorb souls as well. 3. But, was Soul Edge as powerful back then as it is now? As Sephiroth point, I was simply stating that Boss characters such as Abyss and Nightmare can cause natural disasters and disturbances with their powers: I don't know if they can control it and may just be an after effect of their powers. 4. Abyss and Nightmare. If things get too tough Nightmare can turn into Night Terror. I have too add more pics, but how do you think it goes. |
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Post by violent2dope on Oct 12, 2008 19:05:44 GMT -5
1. Actually, in SC4 NM's SE is COMPLETE. When SC and SE clashed in 3, it sent NM into a warp that granted him a new, more powerful body, and it warped all of the SE shards around the world to NM(that's why Cervantes does not use the "female" SE in 4). And NT is formed by the combination of Soul Calibur and Soul Edge. The Seeding Event was indeed planetary and impressive, but I think that was mostly corruption, and the Devils are, you know, already like, corrupted and stuff. 2. It did kill Zasalamel, but Zas is not really an immortal, he is a reincarnate. He dies, but his soul does not pass on. So NT either ate Zas' soul, or just forced it to pass on. If someone has the durability they should still be able to take it. 3. Algol as a mere mortal was above Soul Edge. He shattered it while it was at full power with his bare hands. He blocked the most powerful weapon in the world and shattered it barehandedly while it was being used against him. No, Sephiroth was summoning meteor to wound the planet and then would absorb the lifestream which came out to heal it and become a God. 4. Oh lol. I truthfully am still not sure who is even in this thread. 1. Well, I didn't know that he has a new body with a complete Soul Edge. Night Terror Wields a complete SE, but I think the original SE was always fused with SC. I'm not sure because I have not followed the story since it jumped shark. as for the seeding event I'm just saying that NM can effect things on a planatery level. But, since we agree that he most likely has to be at full power to destroy the world I guess we can move on. 2. Yeah, I just read up on Zas's reincarnation, I'm honestly oblivious to certain things in the soul series. Well, durability is definitely a factor in resisting. You have a point about Zas's Soul Being abosrbed, that would make sense. He might not even need Night Terror for that, since Nightmare can absorb souls as well. 3. But, was Soul Edge as powerful back then as it is now? As Sephiroth point, I was simply stating that Boss characters such as Abyss and Nightmare can cause natural disasters and disturbances with their powers: I don't know if they can control it and may just be an after effect of their powers. 4. Abyss and Nightmare. If things get too tough Nightmare can turn into Night Terror. I have too add more pics, but how do you think it goes. 1. Yes, yes he does lol. Not quite true, originally, when SE was complete, Algol shattered it, he then took a large piece of Soul Edge, and then used his own power to turn that piece into Soul Calibur, a holy sword just as powerful as Soul Edge. Soul Calibur did not exist until Algol created it. 2. Cool. Well that is true, but NM might not be powerful enough to eat Zas' soul. 3. Probably moreso, when a large shard of SE was used to make SC, that shard was lost forever. Algol is the REASON there are shards of SE. Yeah, I doubt they can really control it, it is probably in with the Seeding Event, just caused by a disturbance of power or some shit. 4. Well if the entire Mishima family is on the Mishima side, Mishima's win rather handily, Abyss is a featless wonder. |
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Post by JACK-2 on Oct 13, 2008 1:12:56 GMT -5
1. Yes, yes he does lol. Not quite true, originally, when SE was complete, Algol shattered it, he then took a large piece of Soul Edge, and then used his own power to turn that piece into Soul Calibur, a holy sword just as powerful as Soul Edge. Soul Calibur did not exist until Algol created it. 2. Cool. Well that is true, but NM might not be powerful enough to eat Zas' soul. 3. Probably moreso, when a large shard of SE was used to make SC, that shard was lost forever. Algol is the REASON there are shards of SE. Yeah, I doubt they can really control it, it is probably in with the Seeding Event, just caused by a disturbance of power or some shit. 4. Well if the entire Mishima family is on the Mishima side, Mishima's win rather handily, Abyss is a featless wonder. 1. Well, it was certainly bigger, but did it have as much souls like now? Remember Cervantes and Nightmare harvested alot of souls during their time with the blade. 2. Maybe, we cannot say for sure. 3. Wait a second, I thought it was because the original SE was broken up by Sophitia. We cannot say Alogol was a mere mortal, since he created SC and his original sword was responsible for SE. 4. What if I add Algol at full power as well? |
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Post by violent2dope on Oct 13, 2008 18:26:52 GMT -5
1. Yes, yes he does lol. Not quite true, originally, when SE was complete, Algol shattered it, he then took a large piece of Soul Edge, and then used his own power to turn that piece into Soul Calibur, a holy sword just as powerful as Soul Edge. Soul Calibur did not exist until Algol created it. 2. Cool. Well that is true, but NM might not be powerful enough to eat Zas' soul. 3. Probably moreso, when a large shard of SE was used to make SC, that shard was lost forever. Algol is the REASON there are shards of SE. Yeah, I doubt they can really control it, it is probably in with the Seeding Event, just caused by a disturbance of power or some shit. 4. Well if the entire Mishima family is on the Mishima side, Mishima's win rather handily, Abyss is a featless wonder. 1. Well, it was certainly bigger, but did it have as much souls like now? Remember Cervantes and Nightmare harvested alot of souls during their time with the blade. 2. Maybe, we cannot say for sure. 3. Wait a second, I thought it was because the original SE was broken up by Sophitia. We cannot say Alogol was a mere mortal, since he created SC and his original sword was responsible for SE. 4. What if I add Algol at full power as well? 1. In SC3, it was basically said that souls only provide a temporary boost in power, which is why they have to continue to do it. To sustain his life, NM had to constantly eat souls. 2. Sure I can.  3. Are you sure about that? Algol was a mortal with some spiritual power to be sure, but remember, creating Soul Calibur destroyed his body, he barely existed. And SE was a normal sword which came into existence by slaying hundreds upon hundreds of living beings, and the blood eventually tainted it and turned it into Soul Edge. Makes no sense, but whatever. And I do not think Algol was the first wielder of SE actually. 4. That changes alot actually. |
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Post by JACK-2 on Oct 13, 2008 20:31:31 GMT -5
1. In SC3, it was basically said that souls only provide a temporary boost in power, which is why they have to continue to do it. To sustain his life, NM had to constantly eat souls. 2. Sure I can. 3. Are you sure about that? Algol was a mortal with some spiritual power to be sure, but remember, creating Soul Calibur destroyed his body, he barely existed. And SE was a normal sword which came into existence by slaying hundreds upon hundreds of living beings, and the blood eventually tainted it and turned it into Soul Edge. Makes no sense, but whatever. And I do not think Algol was the first wielder of SE actually. 4. That changes alot actually. 1. But, did that boost make it stronger than the original which is my point. 2. O rly?!  3. Positive, since he shattered the blade and that's when this shard stuff started. Also, the fact that he has spiritual power and can create a blade that Rivals SE means he's more than a mere mortal. Besides what did destroying his body do besides weaken him. It couldn't kill since he came back by absorbing the ambient energy of SE/SC. I meant that SE was made from Algols sword 4. How many matches? Also, about Abyss being a featless wonder. . .we can speculate? |
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Post by JACK-2 on Oct 24, 2008 2:43:15 GMT -5
Sure, I can assume that Ivy, Astaroth, and Cervantes are stronger even though they lack feats, but I don't. Wait, no sorry. They do have feats. Astaroth was killed by Maxi, Ivy lost to Taki, and Cervantes at his strongest lost to Sophitia. Those are their feats. Whoa. I don't think C-master was talking about the thread on KMC.  |
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Post by Darkstorm Zero on Feb 1, 2009 4:27:09 GMT -5
I'll try to clear up a few things.
Night Terror is an amalgam of both the complete Soul Edge & Soul Calibur. This is due partially to Zasalamel's spell to reunite the two weapons and attempt to harness the combined energies to achieve true and final death. (This event didn't happen officially.)
The reason Algol didn't appear in this instance, is due to the Tower of Remembrance not being present, Algol hadn't made his temporary body yet.
Zasalamel had already tried to die using Soul Edge once beforehand, it didn't stop the cycle of resurrection, neither did being a victim of the cursed sword.
Zasalamel is also a decendant of Algol's kingdom. His people were charged with the protection of the spirit sword.
Algol's original sword is what became Soul Edge, when his son tried to take it, Algol had to disarm him, and in the processes, killed his son. At that point, Algol created the initial part of Soul Calibur by infusing his mind and soul into it, and infusing his power and physical might into Soul Edge.
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Post by Darkstorm Zero on Feb 1, 2009 4:37:23 GMT -5
(Curses, I only get limited post space using a PS3)
Algol only broke away that 1 peice that he used to make Soul Calibur. Astar is correct, Sophitia & Taki are the ones who shattered one of Cervantes' swords.
Algol was indeed Soul Edge's first wielder, in fact it was the royal sword of his kingdom that was gifted to him by Hephaistas, the Greek God of the Forge.
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Feb 1, 2009 9:10:55 GMT -5
Thanks for the clear up... and welcome back. |
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Post by Darkstorm Zero on Feb 8, 2009 10:39:36 GMT -5
As for how this match goes down, I'd have to say that Nightmare might actually lose his match without his Nght Terror transformation. The odds he has to face arn't very good in the face of 3 Mishima, 2 of who have Devil Powers, even the AOE attacks and Soul Edge can't curb that much disadvantage. But Nght Terror definitely trumps anything the Mishima can throw at him.
As for Abyss vs Devil Kazuya, well Kazuya is all alone here. Without backup, he falls to Abyss and his weapon/sorcery. Kazuya has no defences against those
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Post by JACK-2 on Feb 9, 2009 13:27:35 GMT -5
One questions that V2D was asking is what abilities does this socery provide for Zasamael? Same with NT, what can they do that allows them to defeat all the mishima's? Good to see you back, btw. |
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Post by Darkstorm Zero on Feb 9, 2009 17:44:15 GMT -5
Don't really know TBH. Save for the few spells we see in-game, we really don't see much of it exept in lore.
As for Night Terror, well he's got all the capabilities of both swords rolled into one package, equivalent, or very close to Algol's level. And that's a massive amount...
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Feb 22, 2009 20:49:07 GMT -5
As for how this match goes down, I'd have to say that Nightmare might actually lose his match without his Nght Terror transformation. The odds he has to face arn't very good in the face of 3 Mishima, 2 of who have Devil Powers, even the AOE attacks and Soul Edge can't curb that much disadvantage. But Nght Terror definitely trumps anything the Mishima can throw at him. As for Abyss vs Devil Kazuya, well Kazuya is all alone here. Without backup, he falls to Abyss and his weapon/sorcery. Kazuya has no defences against those I agree with him losing without being Night Terror, but I believe as Night Terror he should win a slight majority. |
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