Rap Music

[Yoshi]

That's one of the many problems with today's youth. Most of them are so shallow and gullible that you can get them to do almost anything you want by having the right stuff available. All you got to do is start a trend, then they'll follow it in order to be "cool". Since most teens lack wisdom, common sense, and experience, then it's very easy to take advantage of them.

[JACK-2]

Can't really blame the media when you have an all encompassing media. I mean people are responsible for themselves, but the media often get's in the way of things alot.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

But honestly do we ever expect it to get "better" for our age group? I'm sure our kids will love the stuff we think is garbage and then hate the next-gen music, because it's what they grew up with.

[Dja Majista]

I've wondered about that for a while now. Will there be a trend of music the little people will be listening to that we generally think is crap, and basically we'd follow the model of our parents, just liking the old stuff? I am of the opinion now that that is not what's going to happen. Over the past hundred or so years, particularly in the past 20 or so, the very definition of "music" (in america) has become broader and broader. All sorts of genres have popped up and our musical ears are only growing more and more tolerant. For example, this may come as a surprise to some of you, but this right here is actually music:

Free jazz baby. Believe it or not there are methods to the madness... at least that's what I've been told.

It's part of our culture nowadays to try and accept things that are different, and not only that, but to embrace them. Whether that's good thing or bad thing, I'm not sure. But I'm pretty sure it's an ideal that has such far reaching influence that can even affect our musical tastes.

[Magic attack]

Nothing is wrong with Free Jazz. That is Evan Parker on Saxophone and Paul Lovens on drums. They are legends.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Jan 20, 2009 23:16:23 GMT -5 Magic attack said:

Nothing is wrong with Free Jazz. That is Evan Parker on Saxophone and Paul Lovens on drums. They are legends.

A little of everything is what it's all about really. Kinda why I might be making a change soon in some tech...

But yea it moves in time at a pace, so what's wrong with it?

I think the definition of music is broader but *most* people will like what they grew up with vs. the music in 20 years. Just like anything else really. Nothing wrong with that though, I just try to be open. The funny thing is the more our society is built on "freedom" the more people try to fit into a mold.

[Dja Majista]

Jan 20, 2009 23:16:23 GMT -5 Magic attack said:

Nothing is wrong with Free Jazz. That is Evan Parker on Saxophone and Paul Lovens on drums. They are legends.

And that just shows that you have to be a god with your instrument to get away with it in the first place. I never said it was bad; I'm just saying it's an acquired taste.

Jan 21, 2009 2:08:15 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Jan 20, 2009 23:16:23 GMT -5 Magic attack said:

Nothing is wrong with Free Jazz. That is Evan Parker on Saxophone and Paul Lovens on drums. They are legends.

A little of everything is what it's all about really. Kinda why I might be making a change soon in some tech...

But yea it moves in time at a pace, so what's wrong with it?

I think the definition of music is broader but *most* people will like what they grew up with vs. the music in 20 years. Just like anything else really. Nothing wrong with that though, I just try to be open. The funny thing is the more our society is built on "freedom" the more people try to fit into a mold.

I don't know, but moving in time at a pace seems pretty vague to me. If you hear any kind of beat or consistent rhythm in there, I would ask you to point it out, because I don't see any foot tapping.

I should note that right now, I'm assuming people will generally like what they grew up with 20 years later. That much is understood. The point is to say it won't be an exclusive kind of "like" in the sense that liking the old stuff will involve disliking the new. We're exposed to various genres all the time. People sometimes like soundtracks from a movie, and often soundtracks with mixed genres serve as samplers for genres a person has never heard, or rarely listens to. This is only an example though all sorts of media have the same effect i.e. tv shows, video games.

Here's a more specific example, a lot of anime fans usually tend to lean toward rock and metal. Cowboy Bebop is recognized as one of the greatest animes of all time, and it's soundtrack is almost exclusively jazz. Since cowboy bebop, the jazz genre has received a lot more respect from anime fans. The soundtrack was awesome, and even those who listen almost exclusively to metal and rock, have this in their libraries.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

I think in that case that the appreciation for the show is what got them into the music later. Many video game players are like that. Even the ones that like rap have to end up listening to some rock or metal and eventually develop some sort of taste for it.

[Yoshi]

I came across this video of Chris Rock talking about rap music. The language is pretty harsh, but he makes a very good point.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

I'm too late I guess ( I might have seen it already., Chris Rock has some funny stuff about black people.

[Saikyo Kid]

Best kind of music there is, imo. Kinda weak today but it's the only genre I know that has clear points and meanins' no matter how shallow they are, you almost always know what the song is about. Can't say the same for all that other shit.

[Dja Majista]

heh, I'm just the opposite. Half the time I don't really even care what a musician has to say. I used to listen to exclusively instrumental stuff. (I know it sounds more like an aversion, but it was really just a habit of mine to find instrumental stuff.)

[Yoshi]

You and I are alike.

My main genres are gospel and instrumentals. I grew up listening to gospel music since my parents always had it playing in the house, and I was fond of the positive messages. I like instrumentals the most because I can pay attention to the sound that's being created rather than the lyrics that can be said. Some of those instrumentals range from classical music to video game music.

May 18, 2009 10:43:07 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

I'm too late I guess ( I might have seen it already., Chris Rock has some funny stuff about black people.

What's sad is that most of that stuff he says is true, but I still think he's very funny.

May 18, 2009 17:50:51 GMT -5 Saikyo Kid said:

Best kind of music there is, imo. Kinda weak today but it's the only genre I know that has clear points and meanins' no matter how shallow they are, you almost always know what the song is about. Can't say the same for all that other shit.

Wouldn't the title of a song give us a huge hint of what the song's about?

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

May 19, 2009 2:10:41 GMT -5 Dja Majista said:

heh, I'm just the opposite. Half the time I don't really even care what a musician has to say. I used to listen to exclusively instrumental stuff. (I know it sounds more like an aversion, but it was really just a habit of mine to find instrumental stuff.)

I love instrumental stuff, but I like a little of everything all around ultimately.