Orochi Vs Akuma

[Saikyo Kid]

Who wins? I say Akuma, but what are your thoughts?

[JACK-2]

Orochi for me.

[warmunger]

Mar 14, 2009 0:47:55 GMT -5 Saikyo Kid said:

Who wins? I say Akuma, but what are your thoughts?

U no what I think. Orochi's underlings have almost as much power as Gouki.

[Saikyo Kid]

Which underlins? And how can you prove that they aint stronger than Orochi?

[JACK-2]

Because Orochi has control over them with Riot Blood and grants them those abilities. Orochi > Gouki

[Saikyo Kid]

Orochi has control over their blood. He didn't make those guys. And where does it say Orochi gave'em power? How do we know that they didn't have it already or learned how to use it on their own, And trained to become stronger wit it?

I find it hard to believe that Orochi can beat Akuma when Orochi has NO feats, showins, or ways to gauge his power. Dude showed up 1 time and got beat wit no proof that he didn't lose fair and square. Kyo and Iori can beat Orochi, but not Ash Crimson? While Akuma is blowin' up islands and splittin' mountains.

Until there are facts on the table, Akuma destroys.

[JACK-2]

All their powers come from making a pact with Orochi and gaining a portion of it's powers in their blood. Hell, even Akuma made a pact with Orochi in a crossover, it goes to show you how powerful he is. Akuma wouldn't even be able to lay a finger on him.

The Orochi has been considered an evil entity, and a messanger of the gods to purify the world of the human race. Many fight against it, and many fight for it. However, one thing is for sure: the Orochi posseses incredible power, capable of vanquishing the human race with it's incredible powers. The Orochi first appeared in the human world 1800 years ago, where it made it's power feel in the world, beginning to cause destruction and death. The world was enveloped in darkness until two clans, the Kusanagi (the sword that seals), and the Yagami (the shield that holds) faced the Orochi, ready to sacrifice their life to erradicate the entity. Despite the incredible and devastating power displayed by the Orochi, the Yagami managed to keep it under hold with their power, while the Kusanagi eliminated it by sending several crimson flame blasts. Once defeated the Orochi power, the Clan of the Yata imposed a seal on the Orochi power, never allowing it to be run amok in the world once again. However, Orochi planned it's revenge, and tempted the Yagami clan, which were the more problematic clan. The Yagami thought it would be a good idea if they had abit of the Orochi power, in order to have the upper hand on the Kusanagi, whom everybody considered to be the more powerful clan. Then, the Orochi and the Yagami dealed an unholy pact, and the Yagami were conceded a portion of Orochi power into their blood, turning their crimson flames into purple flames of destruction. Then, the Kusanagi objected, and then both clans engaged into a war. This happened 660 years ago, and the Orochi saw with glee how both clans, which had ruined it's plans, were now killing themselves. The Orochi was kept sealed up until the year of 1986. There, one of the Four Heavenly Kings of Orochi, Goenitz, killed the heir of the Clan of the Yata, and broke the seal which was imposed on the Orochi power. Still weak and unable to display it's full power, the Orochi seeked a new host for it's power, and found it in the figure of a little child, a young Heavenly King named Chris. Not long after the seal was broken, however, a man named Rugal Bernstein, who had the evil ambition of being the most powerful man in the world, seeked to claim the Orochi power for himself. Goenitz stopped him, however, and since Rugal was so willing to see how powerful the Orochi was, he granted him a tiny part of Orochi power. This, in 1995, was the reason why Rugal was destroyed: simple mortals such as him just can not aspire to control such power as the Orochi. However, Orochi was still awaiting to wake up, and Goenitz would take care of this, by gathering fighting energy to strengthen the Orochi power. This energy was taken from the battles in the King of Fighters tournament in 1996, but Goenitz did not live enough to gather enough energy. His task was taken on by the other three Heavenly Kings of Orochi by next year: Yashiro Nanakase, Shermie, and the Orochi host, Chris. They accomplished their task after fighting the warriors of the King of Fighters tournament. Then, Orochi awaked inside of Chris' body, and took his new form: that of a spirited young man which reflected the passionate battles that took place in the fights of the King of Fighters tournament. Once again, Orochi regained it's whole power, and the world was once again in grave danger. However, Orochi did not count on the union between the Kusanagi and Yagami clans once again, represented by Kyo and Iori, and once again managed to stop the Orochi, even when Orochi activated the Riot of Blood in Iori's blood. Orochi was once again banned from this world, but by now, the dimensions will remain pacific, as for Orochi every hundred years will be like ten years for human, until the next time...

*Fun fact = -Everybody and the cat must be of Orochi blood! As of last year, we found out many bloodline members of Orochi, even including Ryuji Yamazaki of the Fatal Fury series! Now, who will be an Orochi next year? Not Athena??!-The strange tattoo on Orochi's chest is an abstract drawing of the eight-headed Orochi dragon from the legend (count the number of extensions). Did
you know that a violent god known as Susano Orbatos was the one who did away with the Orochi in the original legend? He was the one who wielded the Kusanagi sword to kill the Orochi (there is also a manga drawn by Masamune Shirow called "Orion" which depicts such events, aside from the Blue Seed manga/anime series).

Appearances: The King of Fighters '97, The King of Fighters: Kyo, The King of Fighters R-1

[Saikyo Kid]

In all that, where does it say Orochi can bust a mountain? Or battle ship...

Where does it say Orochi is fast. Durable, or anything?

In a crossover Akuma blew up an earth bustin' comet. I'm gonna need some showin's of power. Hell, Gill is more divine then this guy.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Mar 16, 2009 17:50:24 GMT -5 Saikyo Kid said:

In all that, where does it say Orochi can bust a mountain? Or battle ship...

Where does it say Orochi is fast. Durable, or anything?

In a crossover Akuma blew up an earth bustin' comet. I'm gonna need some showin's of power. Hell, Gill is more divine then this guy.

I guess more people come to this conclusion due to his plot device power. If it were removed I'd probably go with Akuma.

[JACK-2]

Mar 16, 2009 17:50:24 GMT -5 Saikyo Kid said:

In all that, where does it say Orochi can bust a mountain? Or battle ship...

Where does it say Orochi is fast. Durable, or anything?

In a crossover Akuma blew up an earth bustin' comet. I'm gonna need some showin's of power. Hell, Gill is more divine then this guy.

A crossover that Capcom put no thought or real story elements in and Udon just drew up endings for fun. I don't see how that was relevant, those endings are crap.

The part where he gives people a portion of his power. You know, the same people that can open portals and destroy stadiums, Control the elements, Steal peoples powers?

[warmunger]

Mar 16, 2009 17:50:24 GMT -5 Saikyo Kid said:

In all that, where does it say Orochi can bust a mountain? Or battle ship...

Where does it say Orochi is fast. Durable, or anything?

In a crossover Akuma blew up an earth bustin' comet. I'm gonna need some showin's of power. Hell, Gill is more divine then this guy.

I'm not going 2 argue with U about this anymore. We have gone thru this N PERSON. And rather U like it or not, Ashtar is rite, U don't need feats or showings win U ALREADY NO of his power. His underlings can go toe 2 toe with Gouki, none will win, but they can give him a run.

Now, I will say I think Gill is SF's Orochi equivalent. The guy has got the evidence 2 back up his claims of divinity. And I'm not talking about the Japanese mythology type of divinity. Sumthing is going on with Gill and the Illuminati. He got that power from sum where.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Mar 18, 2009 2:11:22 GMT -5 @warmunger said:

Mar 16, 2009 17:50:24 GMT -5 Saikyo Kid said:

In all that, where does it say Orochi can bust a mountain? Or battle ship...

Where does it say Orochi is fast. Durable, or anything?

In a crossover Akuma blew up an earth bustin' comet. I'm gonna need some showin's of power. Hell, Gill is more divine then this guy.

I'm not going 2 argue with U about this anymore. We have gone thru this N PERSON. And rather U like it or not, Ashtar is rite, U don't need feats or showings win U ALREADY NO of his power. His underlings can go toe 2 toe with Gouki, none will win, but they can give him a run.

Now, I will say I think Gill is SF's Orochi equivalent. The guy has got the evidence 2 back up his claims of divinity. And I'm not talking about the Japanese mythology type of divinity. Sumthing is going on with Gill and the Illuminati. He got that power from sum where.

He had genetic manipulation didn't he?

[Dja Majista]

Nope. Male enhancement.

[warmunger]

Holy Divine Penis Pills!

He had genetic manipulation didn't he?

I read that on wiki B4. I haven't seen any proof 2 back that claim, so I personally don't B-leave it.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Well he doesn't look very "enhanced" if that's what he took. I read it on wiki too, but I'm not sure, that would probably mean Urien is too, it is possible. Let's ask capcom.

[Saikyo Kid]

You really can ask'em, they may not answer you, but you can.

Lol
capcom-unity.com/ask_capcom/go/forum/view/7371/17181/Ask_Capcom

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Mar 21, 2009 23:31:31 GMT -5 Saikyo Kid said:

You really can ask'em, they may not answer you, but you can.

Lol
capcom-unity.com/ask_capcom/go/forum/view/7371/17181/Ask_Capcom

Did you ask them?

[warmunger]

I just so happen 2 B a member and I can tell U that I'm 99% positive they wont answer a question like that.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Ah well. Back to the thread, I say with the plot device Orochi wins.

[JACK-2]

You think Gouki in some form stands a chance? I personally think he'd get wiped out in two seconds.

[warmunger]

I think Gouki will B D-feated but it wont B that E-Z. Gouki is very very powerful 4 a human.

[Saikyo Kid]

Until someone can prove that Orochi is stronger, faster, more durable, and powerful......I say Akuma blows the guy to bits in 1 punch.

I don't wanna hear any other side bar shit or implied power BS, just bring proof.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Apr 4, 2009 19:35:44 GMT -5 @warmunger said:

I think Gouki will B D-feated but it wont B that E-Z. Gouki is very very powerful 4 a human.

Yes he is, and he's also very ugly. Do you guys think he could win if he didn't have that plot device (Orochi)?

[Saikyo Kid]

Heh, I think Akuma winz either way, yo.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

So the Orochi plot device doesn't matter to you?

[Darkstorm Zero]

You would...

By story: Orochi

By feats: Gouki (Orochi was intended to be vague on purpose, to add mystery)

By gameplay: Orochi By far.

Overall: Orochi.

[Saikyo Kid]

Apr 14, 2009 12:09:56 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

So the Orochi plot device doesn't matter to you?

No one has ever proven it's a plot device. I think it's just somthin' peeps made up and I think Orochi just got his ass kicked.

[Darkstorm Zero]

But nobody has countered with anything better.

When Akuma 1st appeared, he was also featless, and Orochi has a grand total of ONE game to his name personally. I get the feeling your just venting because Orochi is vague rather than featless...

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

The only other thing I can think of would be to leave the match a question mark. It reminds me of when the DC fans say Superman or someone else automatically wins against a less known character because they are less known. Wouldn't it make more sense to just give it an unknown for the time?

[Saikyo Kid]

Apr 17, 2009 7:07:29 GMT -5 Darkstorm Zero said:

But nobody has countered with anything better.

When Akuma 1st appeared, he was also featless, and Orochi has a grand total of ONE game to his name personally. I get the feeling your just venting because Orochi is vague rather than featless...

You don't have to counter somthin' that's made up. Rather than make stuff up, which is the wrong way, imo. Peeps just have to come wit the realization that Orochi just got his ass kicked. He has no demonstration of power that puts'im over Kyo and Iori. So he loosed fair and square.

And when Akuma 1st appeared, I woulda said he lost pretty much er match against non SF characters wit well established backgrounds and displays of power and ability.

Orochi is vague AND featless and until his creators take the time to develop the character, he loses. But that's just me.

It's not fair that Akuma appears in most SF games and does all this outrageous shit while Orochi appears in 1 game wit no displays of power, but he beats Akuma simply cuz he's the best in his own game. Debates shouldn't work that way. And they actualy don't.