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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 12, 2011 19:41:15 GMT -5
Two teams:
Magic team:
Voldemort and the four Death Eaters from OOTP Dumbledore Bellatrix Lestrange Sirius Black Mad Eye Moody Remus Lupin Nymphadora Tonks Kingsley Shacklebolt Harry Potter Hermione Granger Fenrir Greyback Filius Flitwick Severus Snape Minerva McGonagall Ginny Weasley Dolores Umbridge
Force team:
Darth Sidious Darth Vader (ROTS to ROTJ) Yoda Mace Windu Luke Skywalker (ROTJ) Darth Maul Qui Gon Jinn Obi Wan Kenobi (ROTS) Ki Adi Mundi Aayla Secura Plo Koon Saesee Tinn Sio Bibble Depe Billaba Eeth Koth Count Dooku Yaddle Yarael Poof Shaak Ti Kit Fisto
20 Elite HP wizards versus 20 Elite SW Sith/Jedi.
They engage in an all out battle to the death. The battle takes place in Manhattan prison (Escape from NY), at night. Most of the prisoners are watching.
The wizards know what the force users can do, and the Jedi know what the wizards can do. Each side has 30 minutes prep time. There is no felix felicis potion around. Harry has his invisibility cloak. The wizards who cannot apparate alone have firebolts that they can accio when they wish.
EACH COMBATANT CAN USE ONLY WHAT POWERS THEY ARE SHOWN USING IN THEIR MOVIES. However, if one of the Jedi, for example, were never shown using force push/pull onscreen, they can still use it, because durh it is a basic Jedi power. On the other hand, if one of the wizards is never shown using a simple wizard spell (Protego, for example) they can use it, because again, durh, it is a basic wizard power. the Jedi/Sith/Wizard would not be where they are if they didn't know these simple powers.
Morals are turned off here. It is kill or be killed.
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Post by samz on Sept 13, 2011 2:08:07 GMT -5
Hmm that's a tough one. Most of the time jedis use the force to laucnh something at their oppoentns or just blast one another. Then there are the siths with the lightnings... Team 2 has better speed/reflexes too.
But... I give it to team 1. They are waaay more versatile. Instant teleportation, magical protecting fields and anything can be either used or turned into a weapon. If they choose so team 2 wont be even able to get close to them. The good guys wont be as effective because of their CIS, but imagine Voldemort casting hellfire all over the place and causng omnidirectional blasts, Moody turning jedis into animals and Bellatrix casting Avada Kedavra left and right while giggling hysterically.
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Sept 13, 2011 7:43:49 GMT -5
Hmm that's a tough one. Most of the time jedis use the force to laucnh something at their oppoentns or just blast one another. Then there are the siths with the lightnings... Team 2 has better speed/reflexes too. But... I give it to team 1. They are waaay more versatile. Instant teleportation, magical protecting fields and anything can be either used or turned into a weapon. If they choose so team 2 wont be even able to get close to them. The good guys wont be as effective because of their CIS, but imagine Voldemort casting hellfire all over the place and causng omnidirectional blasts, Moody turning jedis into animals and Bellatrix casting Avada Kedavra left and right while giggling hysterically. Well this question can't really be answered because of the two different universes, but could the force use their ability to offer some protection against the spells?
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 13, 2011 9:02:38 GMT -5
Voldemort can simply half apparate and fly around in a cloud of intangible smoke, cast fiendfyre, then sit back as the force users are consumed.
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Post by samz on Sept 13, 2011 9:57:03 GMT -5
Hmm that's a tough one. Most of the time jedis use the force to laucnh something at their oppoentns or just blast one another. Then there are the siths with the lightnings... Team 2 has better speed/reflexes too. But... I give it to team 1. They are waaay more versatile. Instant teleportation, magical protecting fields and anything can be either used or turned into a weapon. If they choose so team 2 wont be even able to get close to them. The good guys wont be as effective because of their CIS, but imagine Voldemort casting hellfire all over the place and causng omnidirectional blasts, Moody turning jedis into animals and Bellatrix casting Avada Kedavra left and right while giggling hysterically. Well this question can't really be answered because of the two different universes, but could the force use their ability to offer some protection against the spells? Hmm.. dunno. With magic its hard to tell. Maybe common spells but there's a number of "unforgivable curses" that cant be blocked even by magic, so I doubt jedis can. Voldemort can simply half apparate and fly around in a cloud of intangible smoke, cast fiendfyre, then sit back as the force users are consumed. Wait, we're talking movie versions? Dont recall Voldemort turn into mist in the books.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 13, 2011 12:19:01 GMT -5
Well this question can't really be answered because of the two different universes, but could the force use their ability to offer some protection against the spells? Hmm.. dunno. With magic its hard to tell. Maybe common spells but there's a number of "unforgivable curses" that cant be blocked even by magic, so I doubt jedis can. Voldemort can simply half apparate and fly around in a cloud of intangible smoke, cast fiendfyre, then sit back as the force users are consumed. Wait, we're talking movie versions? Dont recall Voldemort turn into mist in the books. Movie, as stated in the OP.
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Post by samz on Sept 13, 2011 12:31:10 GMT -5
And in capital letters. How the hell did I miss that...
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Post by rbtd on Sept 13, 2011 13:21:22 GMT -5
Jedi/Sith win this.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 13, 2011 13:25:51 GMT -5
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. Sup Robtard!!! samz nailed it one post in.
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Post by rbtd on Sept 13, 2011 13:33:12 GMT -5
My name is RBTD, so, yeah.
No, he did not. While he had a few good points, he failed to factor in a few things:
Force speed Force senses Force precognition Force push Force Pull Force choke Force crush etc.
Clearly, the magicians are outclassed and doomed in the end. Though the Jedi/Sith would lose numbers before it's over; it'd be a fight.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 13, 2011 13:37:17 GMT -5
Force speed? Countered by Immobulus. Force senses? So they can sense the wall of fire that is gonna fry their asses, big deal. Force precognition? Easily overwhelmed from the sheer amount of attacks thrown at them, as seen in the SW movies. Force push? Apparition. Force Pull? Apparition. Force choke? Takes a while to kill. Dumb move to use here. Force crush etc.? Confundus. Sithzheimers ensues. Then fiendfyre makes Jedi crispy critters.
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Post by rbtd on Sept 13, 2011 13:43:20 GMT -5
Force speed? Countered by Immobulus. Force senses? So they can sense the wall of fire that is gonna fry their asses, big deal. Force precognition? Easily overwhelmed from the sheer amount of attacks thrown at them, as seen in the SW movies. Force push? Apparition. Force Pull? Apparition. Force choke? Takes a while to kill. Dumb move to use here. Force crush etc.? Confundus. Sithzheimers ensues. Then fiendfyre makes Jedi crispy critters. Can counter when your opponent is so much faster they attack before you can react. IE The dead can't counter, only [possibly] bleed. Force senses are still better in a fight than normal 'human' senses. Overwhelmed by about an equal number of foes? Nope. Again, speed means they attack first, so they're push/pushed and need a mere moment to recover; by then it's probably too late. See above. Takes a while if the Sith wishes, just a matter of applying more force. ie broken neck is an instant death. Again, speed means they attack first and a crushed throat or skull is instant death. Also forgot Force Lightning, could be very useful here. So back to full circle, magicians are overwhelmed by their faster opponents and dispatched. /the end
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Post by samz on Sept 13, 2011 13:55:26 GMT -5
My name is RBTD, so, yeah. No, he did not. While he had a few good points, he failed to factor in a few things: Force speed Force senses Force precognition Force push Force Pull Force choke Force crush etc. Clearly, the magicians are outclassed and doomed in the end. Though the Jedi/Sith would lose numbers before it's over; it'd be a fight. Didnt really fail to factor those. Know all about it. Team 1 is still much more versatility and the few advantages team 2 has are either useless here or can be overcome by simpliest spells. Actually now that I think of it, Jedis/Siths are still muggles by potterverse standarts, so one muggle repelling spell and Team 2 selfBFRs from the battlefield thinking they left an oven on or something.
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Post by rbtd on Sept 13, 2011 14:03:34 GMT -5
Few advantages? Hahahahaaaa. Trying to downplay the obvious superiority of one side, good tactic.
So now the magicians get to place charms around the prison before the fight starts? Otherwise they're going to be dying while trying to place the repello-spells during the fight.
The "prep time" is only useful to the magicians and doesn't really favor the Force-users at all/as much. Clearly this was done on purpose to give a favorite side the advantage. Also telling is the "Harry Potter has his invisibility cloak", I see we're desperate to have him not die here, mustn't have that, Harry's the hero, damn it! This thread was made with an obvious agenda to have one side win, given the many advantages (prep time, invisibility cloak, firebolts for those that can't apparate ) specifically picked from the magician's side.
So if you can't find a way to have your favorite win fairly, force a win with underhanded tactics? Such is the way of fanboyism. You two enjoy your "clever" tactics.
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Post by samz on Sept 13, 2011 14:18:40 GMT -5
Few advantages? Hahahahaaaa. Trying to downplay the obvious superiority of one side, good tactic. So now the magicians get to place charms around the prison before the fight starts? Otherwise they're going to be dying while trying to place the repello-spells during the fight. The "prep time" is only useful to the magicians and doesn't really favor the Force-users at all. Clearly this was done on purpose to give a favorite side the advantage. So if you can't find a way to have your favorite win fairly, force a win with underhanded tactics? Such is the way of fanboyism. You two enjoy your "clever" tactics. Muggle repelling spell is a basic spell anyone on the team can do. Takes less than a second. So even if by your theory team 2 starts chocking team 1 the second the battle begins (which wont work btw but ill play along) they're still not killing ALL of them within a second unless you think they get prep time and beforehand get to deside who's gonna choke whom. So you just assume team 1 is gonna stand there and do nothing. That's "clever tactics" in your book? This is my first response to and you're already being a dick. How about we just debate without the bs accusations? Force speed - Protego. Force senses - See above. Force precognition - Dont see how it matters at all. Its not a h2h fight. Force push - Again, magical barriers. Force Pull - see above Force choke - Teleportation. Beats superspeed any day. Force crush - see above. So as I said, the few advantages they have are useless or can be easilly countered. And one simple spell is all it takes to wint the battle.
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Post by rbtd on Sept 13, 2011 14:20:17 GMT -5
I'm being a dick now? Okay... apologies, mate.
I went back and read the opening post/stipulations; why I edited this in, clearly you can see the agenda here and any outcome of a fight can be forced. ie Superman Vs Aunt May, with proper stipulations, Aunt May could win. Such is the case and clear magician-love bias here.
[repost] The "prep time" is only useful to the magicians and doesn't really favor the Force-users at all/as much. Clearly this was done on purpose to give a favorite side the advantage. Also telling is the "Harry Potter has his invisibility cloak", I see we're desperate to have him not die here, mustn't have that, Harry's the hero, damn it! This thread was made with an obvious agenda to have one side win, given the many advantages (prep time, invisibility cloak, firebolts for those that can't apparate ) specifically picked from the magician's side.
Thoughts on this clear bias?
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Post by samz on Sept 13, 2011 14:26:38 GMT -5
I'm being a dick now? Okay... I went back and read the opening post/stipulations; why I edited this in, clearly you can see the agenda here and any outcome of a fight can be forced. ie Superman Vs Aunt May, with proper stipulations, Aunt May could win. Such is the case and clear magician-love bias here. [repost] The "prep time" is only useful to the magicians and doesn't really favor the Force-users at all/as much. Clearly this was done on purpose to give a favorite side the advantage. Also telling is the "Harry Potter has his invisibility cloak", I see we're desperate to have him not die here, mustn't have that, Harry's the hero, damn it! This thread was made with an obvious agenda to have one side win, given the many advantages (prep time, invisibility cloak, firebolts for those that can't apparate ) specifically picked from the magician's side. Yes you were being a dick. I simply stated my opinion and backed it up with evidence. I was nothing but polite. Your response was "Hahahahaaaa" and "way of fanboyism". So yes you were. A simple "I disagree" and a counterargument usually works better for a debate. EDIT: Prep no prep cloak no cloak doesnt change a thing. My point stands.
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Post by rbtd on Sept 13, 2011 14:27:57 GMT -5
I apologized, sir. Not sure what else to do.
So your thoughts on the clear bias and agenda of the thread starter?
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Post by samz on Sept 13, 2011 14:32:12 GMT -5
Didnt see the edit. Sorry. We're cool.
You mean the stips? Harry is next to useless here anyway next to the big guns. And cloak wont do him much good, they'll sense him easilly.
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Post by rbtd on Sept 13, 2011 14:37:29 GMT -5
Didnt see the edit. Sorry. We're cool. You mean the stips? Harry is next to useless here anyway next to the big guns. And cloak wont do him much good, they'll sense him easilly. Cool. More to the point: the "prep time", the Jedi/Sith can't do much with prep time unless they're allowed to radio in reinforcements such as Clones and ships or possibly Force Precognition(from the stronger ones) to see exactly what lays in the future and take counter measures. The invisibility cloak and firebolts for those who can't apparate is just another added advantage, piled onto a huge one. So clearly, the prep time was given to give the magicians a clear and strong advantage, as they can lay charms and such while the Jedi/Sith wait. Clear bias and agenda in this thread; what's the point in making a thread where an outcome is forced? Threads should be objective, no?
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Post by samz on Sept 13, 2011 14:46:48 GMT -5
Didnt see the edit. Sorry. We're cool. You mean the stips? Harry is next to useless here anyway next to the big guns. And cloak wont do him much good, they'll sense him easilly. Cool. More to the point: the "prep time", the Jedi/Sith can't do much with prep time unless they're allowed to radio in reinforcements such as Clones and ships or possibly Force Precognition(from the stronger ones) to see exactly what lays in the future and take counter measures. So clearly, the prep time was given to give the magicians a clear and strong advantage, as they can lay charms and such while the Jedi/Sith wait. Clear bias and agenda in this thread, what's the point in making a thread where an outcome is forced? Threads should be objective, no? Maybe RJ thought team 2 has a default advantage and wanted to even the odds by givving wizards the prep? If he wanted it to be a stomp he wouldnt have banned the "felix felicis". But yeah, cant think of anything team 2 could do with the prep time. Except maybe call Starkiller and have him solo everyone heh.
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Post by rbtd on Sept 13, 2011 15:49:25 GMT -5
Jedi/Sith do have the default advantage as they're a better breed of fighter.
What the thread starter did was to ensure a magician victory, if it was just the "prep time", I might say it might have been a simple oversight, but the desperation in having Harry Potter survive and the firebolts, it's clear Harry Potter fanboyism; possibly coupled with Star Wars hatred from him.
There's really no debating in threads such as these, the bias dictates the outcome.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 13, 2011 16:35:18 GMT -5
Jedi/Sith do have the default advantage as they're a better breed of fighter. What the thread starter did was to ensure a magician victory, if it was just the "prep time", I might say it might have been a simple oversight, but the desperation in having Harry Potter survive and the firebolts, it's clear Harry Potter fanboyism; possibly coupled with Star Wars hatred from him. There's really no debating in threads such as these, the bias dictates the outcome. Both sides have prep time, ass. Both sides have knowledge of each other, ass. What we have here is two teams. Team wizard has their wands and their magic. Team Force has their lightsabers and the force. Both sides have equal knowledge of each other and equal prep time. The battle is on a neutral site. What is not equal about it? Star Wars hatred? Dude, dont start that shit again. You know I love SW above anything else. The moment you say "RJ hates SW", you've lost the debate.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 13, 2011 16:41:25 GMT -5
Didnt see the edit. Sorry. We're cool. You mean the stips? Harry is next to useless here anyway next to the big guns. And cloak wont do him much good, they'll sense him easilly. Cool. More to the point: the "prep time", the Jedi/Sith can't do much with prep time unless they're allowed to radio in reinforcements such as Clones and ships or possibly Force Precognition(from the stronger ones) to see exactly what lays in the future and take counter measures. The invisibility cloak and firebolts for those who can't apparate is just another added advantage, piled onto a huge one. So clearly, the prep time was given to give the magicians a clear and strong advantage, as they can lay charms and such while the Jedi/Sith wait. Clear bias and agenda in this thread; what's the point in making a thread where an outcome is forced? Threads should be objective, no? Aahahahahahaha there you go again, bringing in ships, Clones and Death stars. You literally admitted that a force user cannot go toe to toe with a wizard and win. No ships here. No Clones. No Death stars. Just dead force users. Accept it. Ah, so with both sides having prep, the wizards can utilize it, but the Jedi cannot? Guess we see right there which side is more versatile. Takes like two seconds to lay down a charm, champ. Prep or no prep, the force users are screwed. Tell me this: Voldemort and his team apparate into the sky, fly around the perimeter of the prison and cast fiendfyre. They then float into the clouds and watch as the fiendfyre converges on the force users. What then? Go ahead, say "precog." Bow out, duder, you got nothing. You were beaten on KMC, and the spanking continues.
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Post by rbtd on Sept 13, 2011 16:42:37 GMT -5
Jedi/Sith do have the default advantage as they're a better breed of fighter. What the thread starter did was to ensure a magician victory, if it was just the "prep time", I might say it might have been a simple oversight, but the desperation in having Harry Potter survive and the firebolts, it's clear Harry Potter fanboyism; possibly coupled with Star Wars hatred from him. There's really no debating in threads such as these, the bias dictates the outcome. Both sides have prep time, ass. Both sides have knowledge of each other, ass. What we have here is two teams. Team wizard has their wands and their magic. Team Force has their lightsabers and the force. Both sides have equal knowledge of each other and equal prep time. The battle is on a neutral site. What is not equal about it? Star Wars hatred? Dude, dont start that shit again. You know I love SW above anything else. The moment you say "RJ hates SW", you've lost the debate. Rage because your clear bias and agenda has been called out? Hahahaha, excellent. Don't be mad at me, next time don't make your thread so obvious; it's your fault, guy. I've dealt with your kind before, nothing new. Fanboys. -"Prep time" clearly only benefits the magicians' side, as told. -Ensuring Harry Potter has the best chance to survive because he's your favorite. -Giving the magician's extra items besides their wands is another indicator. You have a clear bias to have the magicians win; I assumed it's Harry Potter fanboyism and possibly Star Wars hate. Now there's no arguing that you didn't have a biased agenda here, but I'm willing to hear your reason(s) if you insist it's not fanboyism and hate, if you tone the rage down and conduct yourself like a normal person.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 13, 2011 16:44:43 GMT -5
Both sides have prep time, ass. Both sides have knowledge of each other, ass. What we have here is two teams. Team wizard has their wands and their magic. Team Force has their lightsabers and the force. Both sides have equal knowledge of each other and equal prep time. The battle is on a neutral site. What is not equal about it? Star Wars hatred? Dude, dont start that shit again. You know I love SW above anything else. The moment you say "RJ hates SW", you've lost the debate. Rage because your clear bias and agenda has been called out? Hahahaha, excellent. Don't be mad at me, next time don't make your thread so obvious; it's your fault, guy. -"Prep time" clearly only benefits the magicians' side, as told. -Ensuring Harry Potter has the best chance to survive because he's your favorite. -Giving the magician's extra items besides their wands is another indicator. You have clear bias to have the magicians win; I assumed it's Harry Potter fanboyism and possibly Star Wars hate. Now there's no arguing that you didn't have a biased agenda, but I'm willing to here your reason(s) if you insist it's not fanboyism and hate. OK then, if you are butthurt about the prep time, consider it removed from the thread. Both teams have knowledge of each other and are on opposite ends of the prison. They are told that in ten seconds the fight begins. Better?
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Post by rbtd on Sept 13, 2011 16:47:32 GMT -5
So instead of being a man (you're male, right?) and admitting that you created this thread with a bias and agenda to have the magicians win, you just dodge my questions and play the "fine" game?
Sad tactics and not fun at all.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 13, 2011 16:53:14 GMT -5
So instead of being a man (you're male, right?) and admitting that you created this thread with a bias and agenda to have the magicians win, you just dodge my questions and play the "fine" game? Sad tactics and not fun at all. There's no bias. Both sides have equal prep. Not my fault that the wizards take advantage, the Jedi not. This is what makes wizzrds far more versatile. What did I dodge? Tell me this: Voldemort and his team apparate into the sky, fly around the perimeter of the prison and cast fiendfyre. They then float into the clouds and watch as the fiendfyre converges on the force users. What then? Go ahead, say "precog."
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Post by rbtd on Sept 13, 2011 16:59:30 GMT -5
So instead of being a man (you're male, right?) and admitting that you created this thread with a bias and agenda to have the magicians win, you just dodge my questions and play the "fine" game? Sad tactics and not fun at all. There's no bias. Both sides have equal prep. Not my fault that the wizards take advantage, the Jedi not. This is what makes wizzrds far more versatile. What did I dodge? Tell me this: Voldemort and his team apparate into the sky, fly around the perimeter of the prison and cast fiendfyre. They then float into the clouds and watch as the fiendfyre converges on the force users. What then? Go ahead, say "precog." Considering you knew ahead of time the "prep time" would only benefit one side, it does. You have an agenda and any outcome can be reached with one. Superman Vs Aunt May, Aunt May could win with a biased agenda. My question.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 13, 2011 17:03:54 GMT -5
There's no bias. Both sides have equal prep. Not my fault that the wizards take advantage, the Jedi not. This is what makes wizzrds far more versatile. What did I dodge? Tell me this: Voldemort and his team apparate into the sky, fly around the perimeter of the prison and cast fiendfyre. They then float into the clouds and watch as the fiendfyre converges on the force users. What then? Go ahead, say "precog." Considering you knew ahead of time the "prep time" would only benefit one side, it does. You have an agenda and any outcome can be reached with one. Superman Vs Aunt May, Aunt May could win with a biased agenda. My question. So with prep the wizards win because they are far more versatile. K. Prep time is out, as I said. Both teams have knowledge of each other and are on opposite ends of the prison. They are told that in ten seconds the fight begins. And again, third time: Tell me this: Voldemort and his team apparate into the sky, fly around the perimeter of the prison and cast fiendfyre. They then float into the clouds and watch as the fiendfyre converges on the force users. What then?
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