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Post by rbtd on Sept 23, 2011 13:49:46 GMT -5
"They engage in an all out battle to the death. The battle takes place in Manhattan prison" - You
So now it's no longer inside the prison as per the opening post and you're adjusting the conditions to suit whichever ridiculous current argument you've sharted out. Noted and not surprised.
Force team wins.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 23, 2011 13:54:58 GMT -5
From the OP: Two teams: Magic team: Voldemort and the four Death Eaters from OOTP Dumbledore Bellatrix Lestrange Sirius Black Mad Eye Moody Remus Lupin Nymphadora Tonks Kingsley Shacklebolt Harry Potter Hermione Granger Fenrir Greyback Filius Flitwick Severus Snape Minerva McGonagall Ginny Weasley Dolores Umbridge Force team: Darth Sidious Darth Vader (ROTS to ROTJ) Yoda Mace Windu Luke Skywalker (ROTJ) Darth Maul Qui Gon Jinn Obi Wan Kenobi (ROTS) Ki Adi Mundi Aayla Secura Plo Koon Saesee Tinn Sio Bibble Depe Billaba Eeth Koth Count Dooku Yaddle Yarael Poof Shaak Ti Kit Fisto 20 Elite HP wizards versus 20 Elite SW Sith/Jedi. They engage in an all out battle to the death. The battle takes place in Manhattan prison (Escape from NY), at night. Most of the prisoners are watching. The wizards know what the force users can do, and the Jedi know what the wizards can do. Each side has 30 minutes prep time. There is no felix felicis potion around. Harry has his invisibility cloak. The wizards who cannot apparate alone have firebolts that they can accio when they wish. EACH COMBATANT CAN USE ONLY WHAT POWERS THEY ARE SHOWN USING IN THEIR MOVIES. However, if one of the Jedi, for example, were never shown using force push/pull onscreen, they can still use it, because durh it is a basic Jedi power. On the other hand, if one of the wizards is never shown using a simple wizard spell (Protego, for example) they can use it, because again, durh, it is a basic wizard power. the Jedi/Sith/Wizard would not be where they are if they didn't know these simple powers. Morals are turned off here. It is kill or be killed.
They engage in an all out battle to the death. The battle takes place in Manhattan prison (Escape from NY), at night. Most of the prisoners are watching.Feel stupid yet? |
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 23, 2011 13:58:55 GMT -5
 It is 13.4 miles long, and 2.3 miles wide at its widest point. The total area of Manhattan is 33.77 square miles (87.5 square kilometers), of which 22.96 square miles (59.5 square kilometers) is land, and 10.81 square miles (28 kilometers) is water. Food for thought. |
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Post by rbtd on Sept 23, 2011 14:03:34 GMT -5
Says the guy who ruins his own points. Good job.
Wizards drop like flies from snapped necks. Force-reflexes + Battle-Precognition + Snapping of the necks = faster than anything the wizards can do. That easy.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 23, 2011 14:38:42 GMT -5
Says the guy who ruins his own points. Good job. Wizards drop like flies from snapped necks. Force-reflexes + Battle-Precognition + Snapping of the necks = faster than anything the wizards can do. That easy. Lulz, really? Targeting a wizard and force choking them is not instant. Apparition is instant. Instant>>>>Not instant. Lulz @ Jedi force snapping necks while fiendfyre is bearing down on them. Lulz @ Jedi force choking INTANGIBLE wizards. Try again. Try harder. |
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 23, 2011 14:50:06 GMT -5
Here's how the battle goes down: Voldemort and his Death Eaters emerge from the clouds, invisible, intangible, casting Fiendfyre as they go:  The force users find them surrounded by a huge wall of fiendfyre:  Mace Windu takes charge:  The force users try and force push away the wall of fiendfyre:  Aaaaaaaaand this is what happens:  And here are the force users after a few seconds:  The stragglers? Dumbledore utters one word from thousands of feet away. "Confundus." Here is the affect it has on the Force users, mind rape!!!:  The wizards then cast "Oppugno" on the prisoners of the island, and make them attack the Jedi:  Bellatrix lands and cleans up:  I'm here all week. |
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Post by rbtd on Sept 23, 2011 15:14:50 GMT -5
Another clown response and just how much of your day did you take in making those ridiculous pictures? I've seen children's pictures with better detail.
Should a wizard someone manage to apparate before the a Jedi/Sith attacks with the Force (won't happen, see: Faster reflexes and reaction-time do to The Force), The Jedi will be ready to break his/her neck the instant they reappear due to Force battle-precognition. The ability to "see" events right before they happen.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 23, 2011 15:41:02 GMT -5
Another clown response and just how much of your day did you take in making those ridiculous pictures? I've seen children's pictures with better detail. Clown response? Yes, meant for shits and giggles. Accurate response? Yes. Despite the childish nature of the pics, accurate as hell. Fail. Jedi precog is easily overwhelmed. I already covered this. With the sheer amount of attacks being thrown at the Jedi, Precog will fail. Yes, Vader force choked Ozzel from across space. BUT, he knew right where Ozzel was. Also it took like 20 seconds. You can preach all day and night that a force user can kill instantly with force choke, but in the end, it's just an assumption. Besides, Vader did not have a wall of fiendfyre hundreds of feet high bearing down on him. Try again? |
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Post by rbtd on Sept 23, 2011 15:55:30 GMT -5
Fail. Jedi precog is easily overwhelmed. I already covered this. With the sheer amount of attacks being thrown at the Jedi, Precog will fail. Yes, Vader force choked Ozzel from across space. BUT, he knew right where Ozzel was. Also it took like 20 seconds. You can preach all day and night that a force user can kill instantly with force choke, but in the end, it's just an assumption. Besides, Vader did not have a wall of fiendfyre hundreds of feet high bearing down on him. Try again? "Easily overwhelmed"... seriously, do you know ANYTHING about Star Wars? In EP2 the Jedi were outnumbered 50+ to 1 on Geonosis and they did extremely well at blocking/avoiding the rain-like blaster bolts that were directed at them for a considerable amount of time; while attacking in return no less. They're facing 1 to 1 in this fight; they're not being overwhelmed here, they'll be doing the overwhelming to their much slower enemies. Yeah, you know absolutely nothing about Star Wars. Vader slowly Force-Choked Ozzel to send a message and install fear, not because that's all he could do. Jedi/Sith had the power to apply tons and tons of pressure with the Force (eg Dooko bringing down the ceiling; Yoda lifting an X-Wing), so what happens when tons and tons of pressure is applied to a neck? It would snap, instantly. Please educate yourself on Star Wars (and Harry Potter) and then try again |
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 23, 2011 16:33:20 GMT -5
And what happened to the Jedi on Geonosis?
Wait for it........most died. There was too much going on at once for them to handle. Just like there will be here.
[/b][/quote]Fail. They will be facing equal numbers, yes, but said equal numbers are capable of instant teleportation, mind rape, changing the Jedi into ferrets, freezing them were they stand, summoning dementors......The list goes on. Check samz post on page one, he nailed it.
Even if this were true, you are ignoring the fact that the wizards can and will be intangible puffs of smoke, invisible and capable of apparating anywhere on the island, instantly. If the force team hits them with a force attack, it'll go right through them.
Lulz, K. Definitely what Robtard would say. What he DID say on KMC.
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Post by rbtd on Sept 23, 2011 16:47:12 GMT -5
Maybe because it was 50+ to 1 on Geonosis as I just told you. Did you not understand that? How many did they take down for every one Jedi they lost? Duh. It's 1 on 1 odds in this fight and they're faster than any wizard. Jedi/Sith won't be overwhelmed, their powers allow them to deal with much greater; they'll be snapping necks instantly. Couple seconds into the fight *snap* *snap* *snap* *snappity* *snap* *snap*, it will be 10 v 20, Jedi. *snap* *snap*
You think Vader could only choke someone to death slowly and not apply his maximum power should he want, it is clear to anyone you're an amateur with Star Wars at best. So If someone else told you this, that is why.
But if thinking I'm someone else you know acts as a safety blanket for you while your ridiculous arguments get obliterated, then sure, I don't care about convincing you otherwise.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 23, 2011 17:54:10 GMT -5
Maybe because it was 50+ to 1 on Geonosis as I just told you. Did you not understand that? How many did they take down for every one Jedi they lost? Duh. It was 50 on 1, and the droids had blasters. Here, it's 20 on 20 and the wizards have spells that will make it seem like 500 on 1. Why can't you understand that? So you're under the impression that the Jedi can evade the massive wall of fiendfyre, death spells, blasting spells, mind rape and hundreds of other spells AND perform force choke? That's some MAD multitasking. This coming from someone who sees force choke ending in death is faster than apparition. Imagine this: You are standing near a fire and a cloud of smoke comes at you. You reach out and try to grab it. What happens? Nothing. Why? Because it's a cloud of smoke. This is what a wizard becomes when they half apparate, they are intangible clouds of smoke. Lightsabers will pass right through them, as well as force powers. Nah, I know it's you, Rob. It's not even worth debating anymore. Obliterated? You've obliterated nothing. You've countered nothing. Think on it like this: Snape and Vader are standing back to back. They're gonna do the lulz ten paces, turn and duel thing. Vader has in mind to, as they turn,force choke Snape. Snape has in mind to, at the tenth pace, to instantly apparate into the sky, becoming an invisible, intangible cloud of smoke, then cast fiendfyre. What happens at the tenth pace? |
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Post by rbtd on Sept 23, 2011 18:45:32 GMT -5
Yeah, the wizards can't do all as you say and faster than the Jedi. You need to accept this and stop making the wizards more powerful with every post. The Jedi have the speed here, not the wizards. You won't ever grasp this, I know.
No, they don't have to "evade" all that, they'll be dying due to snaped necks faster than they can cast a spell, at least the majority of them.
Again, you don't know shit about Star Wars. Force-Choke doesn't have to be a slow drawn out process. Vader did it for theatrics, so scare officers and put them in line. He could snape a neck in an instant, just a matter of how much pressure he applies. Luke choked out two guards by casually waving his hand, he wanted them unconcious, not dead. Had he wanted them dead, he would have applied more pressure. Your reasoning that Yoda can exert the power to lift an X-Wing but not apply that level of force to a neck is incredibly dense.
Hug that safety blankie tighter. 'I know this guy!"
To be fair, you've obliterated many of your own points, so I can't take full credit. Your Vader V Snape scenario conveniently doesn't factor in Vader's battle-precognition, his Force enhanced reaction time and his ability to sense/see without his eyes. Nothing new from you.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 23, 2011 23:55:58 GMT -5
Yeah, the wizards can't do all as you say and faster than the Jedi. You need to accept this and stop making the wizards more powerful with every post. The Jedi have the speed here, not the wizards. You won't ever grasp this, I know. All the wizards have to do faster than the Jedi is apparate. Apparition is instant. Nothing you say can change this. You're still ignoring that the wizards will be intangible clouds of smoke. They will become intangible clouds of smoke faster than any force user can force choke them. Instant apparition>>>>>>>>>A force user targeting and executing force choke. This is fact and cannot be disputed, no matter how hard you try. Intangible clouds of smoke, dude. Force choke will have no affect on the wizards when they are intangible clouds of smoke. There you go again, ignoring that apparition is instant. A wizard will be off and to the races before any and all force attacks hit them. At that point, the force team is at their mercy. |
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 24, 2011 2:21:18 GMT -5
BTW, genius, not all Force users can do force choke. Dooku, Vader and Luke are the only ones shown doing so in the movies. But hey, if you wanna argue "ZOMG it's force TK, all force TKers can do it", fine, I won't challenge you on that. BUT, if that's the case, I'm gonna argue that all wizards can apparate and cast fiendfyre. That being the case, all it takes is ONE wizard phasing to intangible smoke and the Jedi cannot touch them. Now, you SURE the force team can target each wizard, all 20 of them, individually, and kill them instantly? Like in less than 1/1,00,000,000th of a second?
Now, precog. Here are some instances where Jedi/Sith precog failed miserably:
-Vader not sensing Leia being rescued in EP 4.
-Vader being ambushed by the Falcon in EP 4.
-Vader not sensing Ozzel coming out of lightspeed too soon in Ep 5.
--Vader almost decapping Luke in Ep 5.
-Luke being shot in the hand in Ep 6.
-Boba Fett almost shooting Luke in Ep 6.
-Maul not sensing Obi Wan's attack in Ep 1.
-Anakin getting his arm chopped off in Ep 2.
-None of the Jedi sensing being ambushed by the clones in Ep 3.
Just a few, brah. I could go one for days.
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Post by rbtd on Sept 26, 2011 12:08:12 GMT -5
Those you listed doesn't counter the hundreds of times the Jedi are able to block blaster-fire due to battle-precognition. The many > the few.
Already covered apparating, Jedi/Sith are faster due to the Force, if a wizard should apparate first, Jedi/Sith will know where he/she will appear/attack before they do and be ready with an attack, due to battle-precognition. I know you won't accept this and will continue to rant.
You're beyond hope with this "invincible intangible smoke" nonsense; you literally know nothing of Harry Potter.
If you paid attention while watching the films instead of just drooling over the special effects and bright lights you'd have realized that half-apparating wizards are solid to a degree. In the last film Voldermort is smashing into objects while he's an "intangible cloud of smoke" and it physically harms him. Snape also smashed through a window while half-apparating. Deatheater tossing a guy about etc. So they have mass and can be harmed while half-apparating.
Take a deep breath and deal that your argument has failed again because it's based on things you want the wizards to be able to do and not what they actually can do. Reality > your boyish fantasies.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 26, 2011 15:40:36 GMT -5
Those you listed doesn't counter the hundreds of times the Jedi are able to block blaster-fire due to battle-precognition. The many > the few. And they were overwhelmed and killed. Same as they will be here. Lul, sure, the Jedi will be able to do all this while fiendfyre is up their asses. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight........ Orly? Want me to post the youtube scenes that back up what I am saying? Hmm? Hmm? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? You're right. But, there are some scenes that show them as being intangible. They can do both. Thanks for playing!!! Nah, my argument is pure win. Hasn't been countered, not even a dent. |
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Post by rbtd on Sept 26, 2011 15:44:26 GMT -5
So as expected you go with what you want the wizards to be able to do instead of what they actually can.
Have you seen Deathly Hallows Pt2? It's super awesomely awesome. Not that it matter to you.
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 26, 2011 16:04:08 GMT -5
What they can actually do is my argument, it is what I have seen them doing onscreen.
Nope, I don't do theaters.
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Post by Blaze72 on Sept 27, 2011 7:38:37 GMT -5
Yeah your weird like that.....
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Sept 27, 2011 7:51:05 GMT -5
I have to say I hate theaters too. I'd rather watch it on my big-screen comp or my theater room. Theaters have a bunch of messy people, loud noises, and I like to watch things in the comfort of my home and rewind/replay them. Why pay 12-15 bucks, when I can get the movies much cheaper, and watch them very quietly?
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Post by Blaze72 on Sept 27, 2011 7:55:11 GMT -5
Its usually quiet when i go to the theater.
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Sept 27, 2011 7:56:56 GMT -5
Its usually quiet when i go to the theater. Must be different there, here it's exactly like I described. I like to cook my own food and do everything though. |
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Sept 27, 2011 9:15:36 GMT -5
I have to say I hate theaters too. I'd rather watch it on my big-screen comp or my theater room. Theaters have a bunch of messy people, loud noises, and I like to watch things in the comfort of my home and rewind/replay them. Why pay 12-15 bucks, when I can get the movies much cheaper, and watch them very quietly? yup. |
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Nov 9, 2011 12:35:59 GMT -5
Holt shit, I just realized a scene in TPM that proves that the Force cannot penetrate a protego shield charm!!!
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Nov 9, 2011 13:51:48 GMT -5
Holt shit, I just realized a scene in TPM that proves that the Force cannot penetrate a protego shield charm!!! What scene? |
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Nov 9, 2011 13:56:45 GMT -5
7:00 to 7:12
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Nov 10, 2011 3:57:25 GMT -5
Dammit, they already took it down?
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Post by Rogue Jedi on Nov 11, 2011 11:48:35 GMT -5
Hmm?
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Post by The Big Daddy C-Master on Nov 11, 2011 12:26:48 GMT -5
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