Post by kuwabara on Dec 24, 2006 4:17:37 GMT -5
First you clearly implied a croc would defeat a tiger which is false. Tiger win the majority of the fights. Firstly you clearly tried to imply a tiger would kill an elephant, and anyone here with over 5 braincells knows that’s baloney. We’re not arguing what can happen in the tiniest of possibilities, it is more or less a “who you would bet on” stipulation. Then I confronted your post and you contantly changed it instead of admitting you were wrong in the first place.
I never once implied or stated that a tiger would defeat an elephant a majority. I simply said it has happen though it an extremely rare case. Your argument was that a croc has killed a hippo more often then lose and that false. It actually highly unlikely for a croc to kill a hippo in a fight.
On the second topic at hand, I said a tiger would get the most wins on land (hell a human can wrestle a crocodile on land),
Ya trained experts with years of experience dealing with crocs. Most people would die quite fast. Crocs can run very very fast. There tail is able to break bones from even a little whip of it.
but not in water, because the Tiger loses most of it’s maneuverability in water and is at a disadvantage, while a Croc is at a major advantage, just like the Tiger has an advantage on land. I’m not the only one who realized this.
Again not true. Yes a tiger loses some of it advantage how ever they still take the majority in the water. If the water is not too deep that is which most of the water encounter are in water that is only a few feet deep.
When was I arguing just confronting them? I was arguing them not having a chance, and now you try to keep implying different meanings as you go along, hoping I don’t catch you.
Nope not at all. Trust me I not trying to be sneaky. Tiger ambush pray. They would never confront a elephant head up how ever they would ambush them. It very unlikely they will win. It has happen how ever, but there really only one case of it working. I thought there was more, but I was incorrect. I however never thought a tiger would take any majority. I never even thought a tiger would take it 1/10. I simply was saying a tiger could take an elephant not that it would.
Yes, I’m sure you’ve seen every piece of footage to date.
Nope how ever I never seen a croc win on a video have you? Do you have an evidence showing a croc defeating a tiger? I have evidence of a tiger defeating a croc in and out of wate . You have shown no such thing.
It is fact because you say so? The *fact * is that Tigers lose much of their maneurverability in power within deep waters, while a Crocodile has the advantage.
The fact is they don’t fight in that deep of water. There encounters are with in a few feet of water. Reason it fact is you have shown no evidence to prove your point while I have video footage to prove mine.
Actually I was going to take your word for it, but I always learned to do my own research and watching. The land scene is legit, but why did you post a movie scene? Common man, that is losing your credibility, I can’t even believe you did that, but I won’t insult you or anything like that.
What wrong with using it? The video footage is real. The fight is real. What wrong with it? Yes is in a movie how ever the two animals are the real deal not fake as you can tell. It was from the TV show “jungle jim”. They took footage of real fights and put it into a plot. It is said that non of the fights were forced and they just happen to have stumpled on to them. I am not sure I believe that. The fights are legit you can look it up if you wish. Not like it not a real fight since you can clearly see the two animals going at it. Also it was a pool full of crocs and one lone tiger fought and defeated them to the point were not a single croc would attack. If you were on a animal forum you would not have been surprised I sued that source. It used on most animal forums. Most of the lion vs tiger fights are in movies how ever that does not mean they were not an actual fight. The fights take place and the people edit the fight into the movie.
The deeper the water the more likely the Tiger loses.
They really only battle in a few feet of water. I have found not evidence of a croc ever defeating or killing a tiger I would not be surprised if it has happen how ever not often.
Also all the evidence I have seen ahs yet to say crocs have ever defeated or killed a tiger.
Only evidence I have seen states a tiger hunts crocs and will kill them. It says nothing about crocs ever beating them.
“They will kill whatever they can catch, including fish, crocodiles and fowl, with the most common larger prey being wild pigs and deer.”
www.honoluluzoo.org/tiger.htm
“The most common prey items are various species of deer and pig, but they will also take crocodiles, young elephants and rhinos, monkeys, birds, fish, leopards, bears, and even their own kind.”
www.bigcatrescue.org/tiger.htm
states tigers will hunt crocs.
www.oaklandzoo.org/atoz/azbentig.html
And strength is a big part of it, or else how would they kill anything?
True how ever you seem to think it the end all of every thing which is not true. Tigers kill bears which are much heavier then they are.
Do Tigers run around with guns now?
Not seeing why this was even said.
They can’t outstealth a Croc in water, it’s the contrary actually.
In a straight up fight there no stealthing really.
[/quote] Secondly Crocs aren’t “Fight to the death” type animals, they’ll even go so far as to avoid humans. That doesn’t mean they aren’t capable of killing them does it?
Same goes with a tiger. Not seeing why this was stated either.
Go and point exactly where I said you did that, I’ll be waiting.
Never said you said it. I was merely pointing out I never said it.
Weight plays a big advantage in any fight.
Yes and no. It important how ever it not one decides the win.
Weight means thicker build, more natural leverage, and that it’s harder to take down. Reduce a Tiger to the size of a kitten and it loses. A tiger would have a hard time getting a sufficient bite on most parts of an elephant because it is too thick. Do you know why they *have * Elephant guns?
Yes and I said it not common how ever it did happen before. Though like I said I would not even give a tiger 1/10 vs. a elephant.
Just as you can put low showings up for a croc,
I haven’t though
there have been times that Tigers have been killed by relatives of deer
Those are far larger then normal deer. Also tiger may die due to injury, because they can no longer hunt correctly however you be hard press to find a deer killing a tiger.
Also crocs have been killed by water buffalo.
or other cats.
That not really correct. There no big cats around that can kill a tiger unless you’re talking about fights that took place in zoo or coliseums. Also that would be lion and even then the lion loses far more then wins.
Tiger hunt leapords as stated in “Track Of The Tiger”
You seem to think Tigers are invincible.
Nope far from it. I just seem to think tigers take crocs which all the evidence suggests.
Of course they would only attack weaker and sicker creatures. That’s how most lone animals hunt. I’d have to see a Tiger pounce on a full grown African Elephant. Indian Elephants are much smaller.
I assumed we were talking about Indian elephants since tigers don’t live in Africa. Well actually two tigers live in Africa, but they live on a reservation.
