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[JACK-2]

Jan 9, 2016 18:59:48 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Do you guys feel that DMC3 is more like Kirby and that the challenge comes from the bosses?

Well, yeah. It can't come from the basic enemies all it has left is the bosses.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

I'm reading some stuff and I want to interject on a few things.

I think a game can have a different style of play and have its own challenges. For instance when it comes to old school Beat Em Ups, Streets of Rage 3 had a lot of enemies on high difficulties that did a lot of damage. You had meter to manage, but you also had some very powerful attacks to wipe a ton of them out. You could also hit multiple enemies at once.

One hidden gem of a Beat Em Up fighter most don't know about is Cyborg Justice. In this game you have the moveset of a fighting game but you moved on a typical beat em up type of plane with multiple levels where it made fighting more unique. You had a lot of moves and could even drain health from your opponents. In this game you could take your opponents body parts and use them as your own, while also customizing your character.

Streets of Rage was more basic but emphasized health management and dealing with a high amount of enemies, especially on high difficulty settings.

In Cyborg Justice you had only one continue and one life on the highest setting but you could get health and lives from your enemies by draining them. In this game you can lose all of your lives by losing your torso (which the boss can do) which causes you to lose a continue (or game over on brutal). This game had much more of a focus of using the right move at the right time and knowing the tools.

Is one deeper than the other? What do you think?

Cyborg Justice can be seen here:



Ah the good ol' days...

[JACK-2]

Different approaches, but what my issue is when one enemy set is objectively weaker than another game in order to facilitate one type of gameplay. What's your opinion on that?

[MGNoxa]

JACK-2 The enemies in DMC3 die quicker than DMC1. Frosts aren't really that special, neither are blades both can be taken out with little no thought and incredibly quickly. I'm trying to use facts, I think of something and I look it up to make sure I'm right, the problem is your opinion of DMC1 means that everything in DMC1 is better than DMC3. My opinion is what's serving my side of the argument, I've presented facts you've presented facts then you discount my opinions but I haven't discounted any of your opinions, I've questioned some of them because I don't understand why you think one thing is better than the other but I've tried not to present it in a way where I'm telling you you're wrong.

I've agreed with some of your points because you listed facts that can't be refuted but the facts I list are suddenly my opinion or my opinions don't count but your opinion of depth does count? Your opinion that not including Shadows, Frosts, Blades or Plasmas suddenly makes DMC3 worse in terms of variety counts? My opinion that it doesn't make it worse even when I back it up with facts to show why I have this opinion suddenly doesn't count? I'm done. I'm not having an argument over Devil May Cry, especially when it's over something so silly..

I wanted to stop a few posts ago because I could tell this was getting salty. I just can't be bothered with this discussion anymore, you can take this as a win or you can take it whatever way you want I just really can't be bothered.

I feel bad saying this final thing but I'm going to say it because I can't believe someone like you said this about Devil May Cry

You don't understand because you're making the assumption that they are both focused on stylish combat.

This isn't an assumption, it's the truth. The gameplay in DMC1 is based around stylish combat. It's a fact. It's slower and more deliberate than later titles in the franchise but the whole point of the game is to pull Stylish combos.

You get ranked in Combat -
Dull
Cool!
Bravo!
Absolute!
Stylish!

If you want the best rank at the end of the mission there's two things you need a quick time and lots of red orbs. How do you get the quick time and lots of red orbs? Stylish Combos. DMC1 gameplay is based on Stylish Combos just like DMC3.

Not an assumption. Fact. Not opinion. Fact.

Now I feel like a dick.

[JACK-2]

Jan 9, 2016 19:39:07 GMT -5 MGNoxa said:

JACK-2 The enemies in DMC3 die quicker than DMC1. Frosts aren't really that special, neither are blades both can be taken out with little no thought and incredibly quickly. I'm trying to use facts, I think of something and I look it up to make sure I'm right, the problem is your opinion of DMC1 means that everything in DMC1 is better than DMC3.

This is getting ridiculous now and now I'm going to have to be harsh. Where the hell did In say the bolded? Where?!

What is with you and asserting something and then claiming it is just cause? Frost aren't special compared to what exactly? What enemy in DMC 3 is comparable to frost? Go ahead and post a video.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Streets of Rage has weaker enemies by far individually. The Cyborg Justice enemies are far more interactive but Streets of Rage has more of them and you have to manage them differently. I think they promote different gameplay styles by design. Is one better or worse than another? Depends on the preference really.

I do agree that Devil May Cry is a stylish game compared to others. That's part of the appeal. They cranked it up more in later entries but it still has that essence early on. It's like the difference between a game with long combos vs a game with shorter ones.

I don't think MGN is saying you said DMC1 is better in every way. He probably feels that you're biased towards it. He just exaggerated somewhat.

Either way I think it's getting too heated for no real reason so I'll lock the thread until things cool off somewhat. It's no big deal.