Sega vs. Nintendo

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

N64 itself was meh, the problem was Dreamcast was a bad business decision, I would say the console itself was much better. Rumble feature was outdone by analogs. They are innovative, that is true, but they are gimmicky as well. Most of Nintendo's fans were people who've owned pretty much all of their systems. I think the classic gameboy was the most revolutionary handheld, and the SNES was actually one of the greatest systems ever, probably only second to the classic Playstation, which is what made gaming into the popular culture instead of just a kids hobby.

Let's make an edit, I know I clarified this in later posts but I was talking about the impact it had on the industry. The PSone was still a great system for it's time, but that's a whole nother argument together.

[Psyquis52]

The Dreamcast is my favorite system of all time.

So far nothing has beaten it and I seriously doubt anything will. There's just too much for me to enjoy with the Dreamcast but it was a poor decision.

I think at one time most of Nintendo's fans are people who owned their previous systems but I think the Wii has broadened that market so much that it's hard to say exactly what the target market is. The DS hasn't exactly been hurting in sales either

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

I dunno, I find that Wii owners are generally Nintendo all around, but I'll say that the cheap price of the system helps make it a more first choice sell.

[Psyquis52]

You're kidding right?

Have you been watching the news? Checking the stats?
There are 40% more people gaming right now than ever heck even than 2006.
What is the #1 selling unit in the world currently?
The Wii.
It's all in the numbers.

Now when you say that they are previous Nintendo owners if you mean they owned a NES or an SNES at one time then it doesn't count. They have to have owned a Gamecube and a N64 to be considered fanboys.

Me? I own everything. I have a Dreamcast, Saturn, 3DO, SNES, N64, PSone, PS2, Wii, Xbox, NES, Genesis, Master System, GB Sp, DS, PSP, Atarii...I can't remember the number off hand.

[Dja Majista]

May 15, 2008 2:29:45 GMT -5 Psyquis52 said:

Now when you say that they are previous Nintendo owners if you mean they owned a NES or an SNES at one time then it doesn't count. They have to have owned a Gamecube and a N64 to be considered fanboys.

Me? I own everything. I have a Dreamcast, Saturn, 3DO, SNES, N64, PSone, PS2, Wii, Xbox, NES, Genesis, Master System, GB Sp, DS, PSP, Atarii...I can't remember the number off hand.

I see what you did there you sneaky bastard.
...
I guess I'm a Nintendo fanboy now. #sadwalk#
And somehow, you're not. hmmmmm...

[Sinistrous]

May 13, 2008 22:13:22 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

only second to the classic Playstation, which is what made gaming into the popular culture instead of just a kids hobby.

Uh huh. Well, whether that's true or not, it says nothing about the system's quality; you could basically say the same thing about the XBox after all. Sony just had the luck of Nintendo's next card - the N64 - being basically shit and Sega's Dreamcast being too far ahead of it's time and poorly marketed to boot (well, at least in the U.S., I don't know about how it fared with the Japs). That doesn't change the fact that the PSX was barely above average with their game library. Yeah, the thing had some good ones, but compared to the SNES or Genesis, it comes up a bit short.

[Psyquis52]

May 16, 2008 1:03:22 GMT -5 Dja Majista said:

I see what you did there you sneaky bastard.
...
I guess I'm a Nintendo fanboy now. #sadwalk#
And somehow, you're not. hmmmmm...

Yeah, well. What it was supposed to do it failed at doing it because all it proved was that I'm a multifaceted fanboy.
Appearantly you can be fan of multiple systems simultaneously.

Explain to me how Sega could create my favorite system but all my favorite games are made by Nintendo?

Btw "all" was a bit of an exaggeration.

[Dja Majista]

Hey, my left big toe is an Inuyasha fanboy. And I don't even watch that show.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

May 16, 2008 21:33:07 GMT -5 Sinistrous said:

May 13, 2008 22:13:22 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

only second to the classic Playstation, which is what made gaming into the popular culture instead of just a kids hobby.

Uh huh. Well, whether that's true or not, it says nothing about the system's quality; you could basically say the same thing about the XBox after all. Sony just had the luck of Nintendo's next card - the N64 - being basically shit and Sega's Dreamcast being too far ahead of it's time and poorly marketed to boot (well, at least in the U.S., I don't know about how it fared with the Japs). That doesn't change the fact that the PSX was barely above average with their game library. Yeah, the thing had some good ones, but compared to the SNES or Genesis, it comes up a bit short.

I'm talking about the impact it had on the industry. Before in previous eras, games were just considered something for kids, when PS1 came around it slowly went to something many did for fun, and games even started to surpass the amount of money that music and movies make.

PS1 had many good games, but it had many many decent ones, and quite a few mediocre ones. It's like a forum with 10 good members (basically what N64 is, a few good games) versus a forum like KMC with good members, but a shitload of shitty ones (redundant), it's not that KMC doesn't have good members, just a bunch of crap ones quiet the others down some. The Dreamcast was a very good system.

[imperium]

Yeah the Dreamcast was a pretty good system.
HANDS UP WHOEVERS GOT SUPER SMASH BROS BRAWL OR IS GEETING IT.

[Sinistrous]

May 17, 2008 23:58:39 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

May 16, 2008 21:33:07 GMT -5 Sinistrous said:

Uh huh. Well, whether that's true or not, it says nothing about the system's quality; you could basically say the same thing about the XBox after all. Sony just had the luck of Nintendo's next card - the N64 - being basically shit and Sega's Dreamcast being too far ahead of it's time and poorly marketed to boot (well, at least in the U.S., I don't know about how it fared with the Japs). That doesn't change the fact that the PSX was barely above average with their game library. Yeah, the thing had some good ones, but compared to the SNES or Genesis, it comes up a bit short.

I'm talking about the impact it had on the industry. Before in previous eras, games were just considered something for kids, when PS1 came around it slowly went to something many did for fun, and games even started to surpass the amount of money that music and movies make.

And I'm talking about the quality of the games. I couldn't care less about how gaming is being perceived in the media thanks to our savior Sony Christ; it's not like that upped the quality control on games or anything.

And like I said, the PS1 didn't really have many good games; two or three classics and maybe ten to fifteen more games that were just good. The rest were either mediocre or just plain terrible. Yeah, it's better than the N64, but that's not saying much.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

May 20, 2008 11:17:45 GMT -5 Sinistrous said:

May 17, 2008 23:58:39 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

I'm talking about the impact it had on the industry. Before in previous eras, games were just considered something for kids, when PS1 came around it slowly went to something many did for fun, and games even started to surpass the amount of money that music and movies make.

And I'm talking about the quality of the games. I couldn't care less about how gaming is being perceived in the media thanks to our savior Sony Christ; it's not like that upped the quality control on games or anything.

And like I said, the PS1 didn't really have many good games; two or three classics and maybe ten to fifteen more games that were just good. The rest were either mediocre or just plain terrible. Yeah, it's better than the N64, but that's not saying much.

My comment wasn't to garner your opinion on whether you liked the impact of the media, it was to say that it had a large impact on the gaming world in general.

You never had a Playstation in it's prime, so I find it hard for you to say that out of the thousands of games on there only a handful are good. That's what media gamers who only play what the world tells them to play would think. My library is full of games *I* like, always has, and always will be. Could be retro games, shooters, fighters, or whatever. The point was that the system was the first to have something for everyone of all ages and not just "kids". Most people will say only the well known games like FF7, Resident Evil, etc. were good games. That's them, honestly I didn't have those games because I wasn't into to that degree to own them. Either way, what is a good game and isn't is fully subjective, but the fact that it was the highest selling console isn't. We can go on for days about what is a good game and what isn't.

[Sinistrous]

May 20, 2008 21:52:51 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

My comment wasn't to garner your opinion on whether you liked the impact of the media, it was to say that it had a large impact on the gaming world in general.

Don't try to change the topic; I called you out on your statement that the Playstation was the greatest game system ever. I barely even commented on your "kids hobby to pop culture" thing other than noting that it did nothing for quality control.

You never had a Playstation in it's prime, so I find it hard for you to say that out of the thousands of games on there only a handful are good.

Yeah, because you had to be living in the 18th century to have an appreciation for Bach.

Surprisingly, saying/writing what I did up there wasn't all that difficult! I'm sure I've missed a few of the good games in my tally, I never did claim to be 100% precise, but I didn't need to be either.

That's what media gamers who only play what the world tells them to play would think.

I'll take your word on that; I really wouldn't know what they say about that anyway.

My library is full of games *I* like, always has, and always will be. Could be retro games, shooters, fighters, or whatever.

And I have a pair of hard-drives that can collectively hold upwards of 300 gigabytes of data a long with high-speed access to the internet and a wireless game controller. Spare batteries too; AAs.

I don't have to actually own a game to know if it's good, all I need to do is play it. I've played quite a few games too and yes, plenty of those outside the "here's your 5/5, now where's my free toaster" party. Now, if you want to brag about your collection - nothing wrong with that, be my guest. It holds little weight in this particular discussion though.

Either way, what is a good game and isn't is fully subjective, but the fact that it was the highest selling console isn't.

The subjectivity argument is so very played out. You should just take everything I say as fact. Also, sales don't necessarily factor into greatness, so I don't see the point of bringing it up.

We can go on for days about what is a good game and what isn't.

What makes a good game or what is a good game? We have a whole forum for the latter (sort of) while, speaking generally, the former would be relatively easy to answer.

[Dja Majista]

May 20, 2008 9:16:36 GMT -5 imperium said:

Yeah the Dreamcast was a pretty good system.
HANDS UP WHOEVERS GOT SUPER SMASH BROS BRAWL OR IS GEETING IT.

*Raises hand* I need to get a wii first.

[darthrevan]

As far as which is better, Sega or Nintendo, you can't say either. Everything is relative, so you can't really say one is a better company

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

May 24, 2008 23:19:19 GMT -5 @darthrevan said:

As far as which is better, Sega or Nintendo, you can't see either. Everything is relative, so you can't really say one is a better company

Someone finally gets it...

[Dja Majista]

May 25, 2008 8:12:17 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

May 24, 2008 23:19:19 GMT -5 @darthrevan said:

As far as which is better, Sega or Nintendo, you can't see either. Everything is relative, so you can't really say one is a better company

Someone finally gets it...

*snicker*

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

May 25, 2008 12:51:39 GMT -5 Dja Majista said:

May 25, 2008 8:12:17 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Someone finally gets it...

*snicker*

Some just learn faster than others.

[Dja Majista]

I hate to ruin it for ya, but I'm afraid he's probably being sarcastic.

[darthrevan]

Dja Majizfhosn would be correct.

[Dja Majista]

Holy crap. I should make that my name on myspace.

That sounds almost as awesome as it looks.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

And who said I had to be? I'm pretty sure if he said something you and I were discussing you were pming him about it anyways 9 times out of ten. Either way, basic concept, relative or not. Sardonic wit is wasted on those without the wit, hence the smilie face.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

I missed this. Read the whole thing before you post, I know many people hurry up and start multiquoting to "rip someone a new one" and miss the entire point. No need to do that here, because I'm sure we agree on some basic concepts but there is an error in translation somewhere.

Don't try to change the topic; I called you out on your statement that the Playstation was the greatest game system ever. I barely even commented on your "kids hobby to pop culture" thing other than noting that it did nothing for quality control.

So can we go back to where that was my main point, because I'm pretty sure those if you can point that out I'd be very impressed because it isn't what I meant in the first place.

Yeah, because you had to be living in the 18th century to have an appreciation for Bach.

Nope, but the opinion of someone who hasn't had something themselves and went off the opinion of some magazine or a third party article isn't a very strong one.

Surprisingly, saying/writing what I did up there wasn't all that difficult! I'm sure I've missed a few of the good games in my tally, I never did claim to be 100% precise, but I didn't need to be either.

I'm sure it wasn't difficult to write, it's no different than your opinion on music to someone elses, the bottom line is that someone's opinion will vary from yours, and you can go search with someone who agrees with you and it makes little difference.

I never said you were 100% precise, but you aren't close either. I think I had already made my point that any system that has tons of games will have more bad games, just like a larger forum will have more stupid members. It's the percentage that matters in the first place.

I'll take your word on that; I really wouldn't know what they say about that anyway.

I'm sure.

And I have a pair of hard-drives that can collectively hold upwards of 300 gigabytes of data a long with high-speed access to the internet and a wireless game controller. Spare batteries too; AAs.

So who's bragging now?

I don't have to actually own a game to know if it's good, all I need to do is play it. I've played quite a few games too and yes, plenty of those outside the "here's your 5/5, now where's my free toaster" party. Now, if you want to brag about your collection - nothing wrong with that, be my guest. It holds little weight in this particular discussion though.

Connect trains of thought here, I only said my library was full of games *I* like. That didn't say how many I had or what they were. Back in those days I did a lot of renting anyways, so my PS1 library isn't *really* that large to begin with. My point was that you're saying that out of thousands of thousands of games, that about 20 were worth playing and I think that's a bs and lowly formed opinion, unless you were using hyperbole for affect.

The subjectivity argument is so very played out. You should just take everything I say as fact. Also, sales don't necessarily factor into greatness, so I don't see the point of bringing it up.

The subjectivity factor is so very true, because if you were reading my entire point in the first place, my argument was on the impact it had on the media, which was due to the fact that it made games something for all people instead of just kids. The system didn't have the greatest graphics, it had good sound and control. The thing that pushed it and it's next gen version over was the fact that it had a large library of games for everyone, loads of games and series. Twisted Metal, Crash, Tomb Raider, just those three series had something for different genres. Also they weren't as big on their censorship.

The fact that it sold the most is a fact, whether you like it or not is opinion. This is stuff we learned in grade school.


As for taking everything *you* say as fact? Tell me you're joking. These are words on a screen so it's difficult to tell, but I hope you are.

What makes a good game or what is a good game? We have a whole forum for the latter (sort of) while, speaking generally, the former would be relatively easy to answer.

That's nice to know that. If you want to make a thread about what's the best system ever in terms of quality, it'd be an interesting thread, and more on topic. This however isn't, but saying it was I would argue that the PS is a great system for it's time. But why would I argue that something that has a updated version out of it that can do the EXACT same more impressively thing be better? And I'm not even talking about the PS3, I'm talking about the PS2.

[Dja Majista]

May 26, 2008 8:06:08 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

And who said I had to be?

had to be what now?

I'm pretty sure if he said something you and I were discussing you were pming him about it anyways 9 times out of ten.

I showed him in person. Not trying to be malicious or anything. We were just bored and browsing the forum, like you and I used to do sometimes.

And don't worry, I'm not planning a mutiny or anything.







maybe

Either way, basic concept, relative or not. Sardonic wit is wasted on those without the wit, hence the smilie face.

...¿huh?

[darthrevan]

May 26, 2008 9:16:09 GMT -5 Dja Majista said:

May 26, 2008 8:06:08 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

maybe

Either way, basic concept, relative or not. Sardonic wit is wasted on those without the wit, hence the smilie face.

...¿huh?

my thoughts exactly.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

Nothing against that, I just know how you two are.

Had to be "sarcastic".

Nevermind it doesn't matter now.

[Dja Majista]

May 26, 2008 19:04:05 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Nothing against that, I just know how you two are.

Had to be "sarcastic".

Nevermind it doesn't matter now.

Garyuu, I'm not sure, but I think he knows how we... are...
DUN DUN DUNNNNNNN

Sure it matters. Or maybe it doesn't. Or maybe it's relative, and therefore NOTHING matters!



...huh?...

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

May 26, 2008 19:37:52 GMT -5 Dja Majista said:

May 26, 2008 19:04:05 GMT -5 The Big Daddy C-Master said:

Nothing against that, I just know how you two are.

Had to be "sarcastic".

Nevermind it doesn't matter now.

DUN DUN DUNNNNNNN

Is that sex music?

[Dja Majista]

lol I thought you said sax music. And I was about to say, it's "very. heavy. jazz." But I think that fits in both cases.

[Magic attack]

My take on the whole "Greatest" system is far to subjective to ones own taste. I would have to put Atari, PSX and NES at the top of the list though. All three of them helped to shape the gaming industry as it is today. While they might not have even been the most top of the line systems at the time, they were the leaders in the gaming industry. Each of the three had huge libraries with quite a few great games to play (subjective I know).

Those 3 would be my choices.