Iron Man vs. Optimus Prime

[EsteemedLeader©]

vs.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

esteemedleader said:

vs.

Good one, which version of which?

[EsteemedLeader©]

The original Optimus Prime, and Iron Man in his standard armor.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

esteemedleader said:

The original Optimus Prime, and Iron Man in his standard armor.

Does Iron Man have Extremus Virus?

[EsteemedLeader©]

admin said:

Does Iron Man have Extremus Virus?

Do what now?

[Dja Majista]

In Family Guy, Optimus Prime is Jewish.

[EsteemedLeader©]

Well he better watch out for teddy bears then.

What is Extreme Virus?

[Dja Majista]

Is that from the movie? I couldn't find it on wiki.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

esteemedleader said:

admin said:

Does Iron Man have Extremus Virus?

Do what now?

Extremis virus is something he injected himself with a while ago that gave him a huge power boost. I could find an article on it if you like.

[Shawdowloo Gangsta]

Iron man is cool as hell but so is Optimus Prime. I think Iron Man takes it. Otha then havin his weapon and the abilty to turn into a truck, what else could Prime do?

Iron man seems more versitile to me.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

vicelord said:

Iron man is cool as hell but so is Optimus Prime. I think Iron Man takes it. Otha then havin his weapon and the abilty to turn into a truck, what else could Prime do?

Iron man seems more versitile to me.

I give it to Iron Man as well, at least 6-7/10.

[EsteemedLeader©]

vicelord said:

Iron man is cool as hell but so is Optimus Prime. I think Iron Man takes it. Otha then havin his weapon and the abilty to turn into a truck, what else could Prime do?

Iron man seems more versitile to me.

Well, being a 30-foot tall robot helps.

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esteemedleader said:

vicelord said:

Iron man is cool as hell but so is Optimus Prime. I think Iron Man takes it. Otha then havin his weapon and the abilty to turn into a truck, what else could Prime do?

Iron man seems more versitile to me.

Well, being a 30-foot tall robot helps.

In some situations, in others it proves a disadvantage.

[EsteemedLeader©]

It gives him about a 13-foot reach advantage. And I'd bet Optimus has enough coordination that Tony wouldn't be able to fly circles around him.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

esteemedleader said:

It gives him about a 13-foot reach advantage. And I'd bet Optimus has enough coordination that Tony wouldn't be able to fly circles around him.

Depends on if Tony has the Extremis virus.

Just a bit of an overview.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man

"n the "Extremis" story arc by writer Warren Ellis (Iron Man Vol. 4, #1-6), Stark is working on a way to improve the armor's response speed when he is called upon to track Mallen, a terrorist who has ingested the powerful "Extremis" techno-organic virus. This "virus" (actually a neurological information package which alters part of the brain, rather than a tangible virus) turns Mallen into an almost indestructible living weapon, and he subsequently goes on a deadly rampage. After being beaten nearly to death trying to stop him, Stark himself ingests a modified version of Extremis in an effort to save his own life, merging with and directly integrating the armor into his biological systems (see below). "

[EsteemedLeader©]

Regular Iron Man.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

esteemedleader said:

Regular Iron Man.

;D thought so.

Playboy takes it 5-6 out of 10 I think, just my opinion. Subject to change.

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Iron Man takes this, he's simply more versatile in many more levels than Optimus prime.

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thebluedragongales said:

Iron Man takes this, he's simply more versatile in many more levels than Optimus prime.

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[/I][/quote]Cosigned.

[darthrevan]

admin said:

thebluedragongales said:

Iron Man takes this, he's simply more versatile in many more levels than Optimus prime.

-Atom Ant Out

[/I][/quote]Cosigned.[/quote]

cotangented ;D

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darthrevan said:

admin said:

Cosigned.

cotangented ;D

Witty today eh?

[pinstrike]

Uhm. No. Prime Obviously has this one.

1. He's giant, has a longer reach, but is no less agile than Iron Man. The Cybertronians are not blocky cumbersome beasts, they are like people, with the same agility and versatility relative to their size.

2. Cybertronians are made of the hardest metal in the universe. Feel free to look up what it's called, but it's pointed out on numerous occassions throughout every generation/series. And NO primiitive human-developed weapon, despite Michael Bay's lies, can yet penetrate their exoskeleton.

3. One plasma blast from your average Cybertron Cannon contains enough energy packed into it to indefinitely power Any major human city. I purchased a Optimus/Megatron G2 figure set that came with an imformative DVD, hence the info.

So, yeah. Iron Man just would not cut it. I'm struggling to see how this is even a serious question...

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pinstrike said:

Uhm. No. Prime Obviously has this one.

1. He's giant, has a longer reach, but is no less agile than Iron Man. The Cybertronians are not blocky cumbersome beasts, they are like people, with the same agility and versatility relative to their size.

2. Cybertronians are made of the hardest metal in the universe. Feel free to look up what it's called, but it's pointed out on numerous occassions throughout every generation/series. And NO primiitive human-developed weapon, despite Michael Bay's lies, can yet penetrate their exoskeleton.

3. One plasma blast from your average Cybertron Cannon contains enough energy packed into it to indefinitely power Any major human city. I purchased a Optimus/Megatron G2 figure set that came with an imformative DVD, hence the info.

So, yeah. Iron Man just would not cut it. I'm struggling to see how this is even a serious question...

I forgot what Iron Man we were using here, but it actually does matter. Iron Man can hang with some godlike characters, not just because of his suit, but because of his intellectual genius. He is constantly upgrading his technology and his goal is to make his suit close to living as possible. I can give the topic more research as I was about 50/50 early on. I definitely know that Optimus Prime being so large isn't an advantage here, because it makes him have more to cover. His reach definitely won't counter his size.

[pinstrike]

Perhaps, then, you should re-read the post you quoted me on. It wouldn't matter what he has to cover because Prime's exoskeleton, or any Cybertronian's for that matter, is impenetrable by any human weapon.

And unless you can convince me that some fuck in a metal suit has fast forwarded his own personal technology to equivocate that of a trillion year old race, the majority of whom's existence has been structured around nothing but constant war, and that this goatee-wearing hooligan can, therefore generate enough power--PLASMA power, that is--to blast even a repairable hole in Optimus's armor, then I still don't see a possibility for victory anywhere in sight for Tinman. By the end of that MINUTE, Prime will be standing, and Iron Man will be a bit too de-atomized to be able to wonder why the fuck he was in the fight to begin with...

Esteemed Leader, I find the lack of faith in our childhood father-figure necessary for even starting this thread profoundly disturbing. By Primus!!!

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

pinstrike said:

Perhaps, then, you should re-read the post you quoted me on. It wouldn't matter what he has to cover because Prime's exoskeleton, or any Cybertronian's for that matter, is impenetrable by any human weapon.

In their own world, which has no bearing on any world in Marvel or otherwise. Iron man isn't any ordinary human, and his world is capable of more than human things, his suit isn't ordinary and therefore his weapons aren't. That makes this entire reasoning flawed. Optimus Prime is very well capable of being damaged.

pinstrike said:

And unless you can convince me that some fuck in a metal suit has fast forwarded his own personal technology to equivocate that of a trillion year old race, the majority of whom's existence has been structured around nothing but constant war, and that this goatee-wearing hooligan can, therefore generate enough power--PLASMA power, that is--to blast even a repairable hole in Optimus's armor, then I still don't see a possibility for victory anywhere in sight for Tinman. By the end of that MINUTE, Prime will be standing, and Iron Man will be a bit too de-atomized to be able to wonder why the fuck he was in the fight to begin with...

These are mostly fallacies, the end of the argument goes more or less to what makes the characters "cool". This argument is no different than the popular MK argument of "Gods and sorcerers".

This has no bearing on what they can *do* therefore it leads us nowhere. The Asgardians are an ancient race of godlike beings and Ironman has hanged with them on occasions. He's also been able to claim a victory over the Hulk, which most characters don't have the title of.

And let's say that Iron Man couldn't hurt prime? Why would he need to when he can absorb the blast and redirect it? Furthermore Iron Man at his prime has access to virtually any machinery, and can use that to his advantage as well. He's been inside machines, and tampered with living machines. He's a super genius and a master inventor.

Those are reasons he *can* win. That's an argument, not simply saying what he is, but what he can do. Furthermore I did say he could lose didn't I?

pinstrike said:

Esteemed Leader, I find the lack of faith in our childhood father-figure necessary for even starting this thread profoundly disturbing. By Primus!!!

I've noticed.

[pinstrike]

I understand that the man is a super-genius. But the fact is that he is a human being, and is therefore not comparable to the perfectly adaptable mechanism that is Optimus Prime.

OK. Here's what Optimus CAN do.

--He can let loose an average plasma cannon blast strong enough to power New York.
--He can let loose an even bigger plasma cannon blast that once blew away one of cybertron's sister planets in an effort to defeat an oncoming assault by the Terrorcons. A planet. The guy can hold his own with the Death Star!
--He can scan any vehicle in range and adapt to it's structure. He is not limited to the truck, Vice Lord.
--He can unleash the power of the Autobot Matrix of Leadership if it comes to it, which is cored with fragments of the spark of Primus, the Transformer God. Doing so was the only thing that could have destroyed Unicron the Chaos Bringer in Transformers: The Movie (1986). This thing was three times the size of a planet and ate worlds for supper and it was voiced by Orson Welles.
--His shell is impenetrable.
--He can wield a giant freaking awesome orange Laser Axe.

I think our disagreement lies only in one thing. I'm saying that it is indeed possible for Iron Man to lose. I'm just saying that he CANNOT win. So.

Ba---boom.

So, there are his primary capabilities.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

pinstrike said:

I understand that the man is a super-genius. But the fact is that he is a human being, and is therefore not comparable to the perfectly adaptable mechanism that is Optimus Prime.

pinstrike said:

OK. Here's what Optimus CAN do.

Well, now we're getting somewhere.

pinstrike said:

--He can let loose an average plasma cannon blast strong enough to power New York.

But he won't do it in an area that would cause people harm, and I'm sure they're fighting somewhere where there are plenty of people. Secondly Tony specializes in absorbing such blasts.

pinstrike said:

--He can let loose an even bigger plasma cannon blast that once blew away one of cybertron's sister planets in an effort to defeat an oncoming assault by the Terrorcons. A planet. The guy can hold his own with the Death Star!

Iron Man has done some impressive things in situations, he's held his own against a God. I'm sure he could blow up the planet if he wanted, but that would piss some heroes off.

pinstrike said:

--He can scan any vehicle in range and adapt to it's structure. He is not limited to the truck, Vice Lord.

Iron Man can scan machines and know about them instantly, furthermore he can access any of them, he is almost a living machine with Extremis.

pinstrike said:

--He can unleash the power of the Autobot Matrix of Leadership if it comes to it, which is cored with fragments of the spark of Primus, the Transformer God. Doing so was the only thing that could have destroyed Unicron the Chaos Bringer in Transformers: The Movie (1986). This thing was three times the size of a planet and ate worlds for supper and it was voiced by Orson Welles.

We're only supposed to use canon arguments. As in it is part of the actual timeline. Furthermore the events would make the most sense if they abided by basic guidelines (I know they aren't posted on this thread), but that each character has their standard resources and fight without special conditions. Would such a tactic happen so fast and efficiently that it would be reliable in a situation like this?

pinstrike said:

-His shell is impenetrable.

"Virtually" which means it isn't really. And not by his own blasts.

pinstrike said:

--He can wield a giant freaking awesome orange Laser Axe.

Iron Man has a sexy paint finish.

pinstrike said:

I think our disagreement lies only in one thing. I'm saying that it is indeed possible for Iron Man to lose. I'm just saying that he CANNOT win. So.

Ba---boom.

So, there are his primary capabilities.

Cool, well thanks for presenting that info.

[EsteemedLeader©]

pinstrike said:

--He can let loose an even bigger plasma cannon blast that once blew away one of cybertron's sister planets in an effort to defeat an oncoming assault by the Terrorcons. A planet. The guy can hold his own with the Death Star!

Waitasecond waitasecond waitasecond.

pinstrike said:

Terrorcons

I knew it! You're talking about Transformers: Energon!

We're talking about G1 Optimus.

[pinstrike]

Ah. Fair enough. So, aside from blowing up a planet, he still has everything else. It might be a bit more even matched than I thought, but I still think a 30 foot tall billion year old robot adapted to aeons of war has a few advantages over a variation of Batman.

[The Big Daddy C-Master]

pinstrike said:

Ah. Fair enough. So, aside from blowing up a planet, he still has everything else. It might be a bit more even matched than I thought, but I still think a 30 foot tall billion year old robot adapted to aeons of war has a few advantages over a variation of Batman.

Batman has the almighty plot device, he can't lose. ;D